It's been like that since day 1, and the amount of fucks they give sums up to a grand total of zero. Unless id software prevents/disencourages it somehow, it will never change.

If they did I'm pretty sure they would not allow people to have more than one account per IP.

Yes and that would be great too!

siblings, friends, etc

If we had to pay one time for the game, get your "cd key" your know, I doubt people would spend 100 times again just for the sake of having more accounts!

what about matrox and sting ? : (

yeah it's pretty ironic that jamerio would say that, living with his brother and all.

Agree.

He's not saying there hasn't been aliasing, and now there is. He is saying there is an increase, and he's talking about his scene, which you probably aren't observing. Now, he might be wrong, but your post is completely moot.

Nah, I'm saying that there hasn't been an increase, but rather it's been like that since day 1 (hence my comment, "it's been like that since day 1"). I did however forget to realize that he was talking about NA, but this is from my experience in EU which I doubt is much different. If there is any increase, it's proportional to the size of the playerbase.

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Accepting shitty status quo is definitely not going to change anything.

I'm saying that only id software can do anything about it, I'm equally disgusted by it as you are.

"Unless id software prevents/disencourages it somehow,"

they won't because :
http://www.quakelive.com/#!clans/summary/2003

So long as syncerror runs the show, nothing will change in this regard

This donka guy is a prime shitbird and should be shot out of the sky by Dick Cheney. What Donka fails to realize is the 3 main aliasers in NA that have 10 premium accounts each and are the reason all the NA severs have not been shut down yet.

Reality just hit you like missing that jump to red armor on ZTN and getting Lg'd all the way down and losing the game. It's a harsh reality but a true one.

Your welcome

BTW.

YO?U

SOUND

MAD....AS....FCUK

SEE you in the arena. I'll see you but you won't see me ;)

Side note. my in game skill level and ELO passes yours 1hour after I make any new account. Your arguement has completely failed. Back to drawing board. Back to punching desk after every death.

Typical kgb. Shit on LAN. Good online. Is that why you have so many accounts? plz dont mad brah

hhttp://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/rsdk_/7f6cd8a6-6536-11e3-8932-00259031fd90/ctf/1

And?

"The only people who talk shit are the people who never show up to a LAN" -dkt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIev96fXfRI&t=1m6s

Name those 3 alias'.

what an idiot

dunno bout his personal rant, but his last sentence is most likely true, and thus defying the entire thread and complainers, first world problems at its finest.

syncerror encourages it and even has a number of those kinds of players in his clan. He doesn't understand he helped promote that kind of behavior by never cracking down on it. Just take a look at some of the people in .403 and you'll see the kinds of people syncerror aligns himself with in this game.

It grows in bunches, I've got my hunches. It's the best, beats the rest, Cellular, Modular, Interactivodular Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring, bananaphone.

It's almost as if that last part is directed at incubus, which would be confusing since he has proven it is sustainable. Regardless, aliasing in NA has never made sense. Do you know what is interesting about aliases? Nothing. Start cycle.

We've had a fare share of Incubus' idiocy, but he's old news. Plus he's not good enough to be any of the people I've seen aliasing recently.

I agree completely, and it's the same in EU not just NA.
I've lost a few QL friends/buddies over this, being against aliasing is just a non-negotiable principle for me. It's utterly destructive to the very game you play.
Aliasing destroys matchmaking completely, and makes your opponents disadvantaged as they don't know who they're up against, obviously.
There is more to it but those are the two most important factors.

I've had a proposed solution to this for some time, which is to have the game require a nominal one-time fee. The price could be tweaked and adjusted along with the premium features.
Now, you might think it's too late for that - personally I don't - but think about what this would lead to, for a second:
- 99% of cheating would pretty much cease immediately. Cheaters do get banned and at a decent rate. The problem is, they come back. QL registration system doesn't even validate the e-mail address, creating a new account is a joke.
- Most people would play their main account that they've paid for, and as such, matchmaking would actually work decently after a certain time has passed. Crazy I know right?

Those two things considered plus the lack of anonimity that comes with aliasing and often leads to unpleasant behaviour, would elevate most players' QL experience tenfold.
Some may quit who are unwilling to pay, but I'm sure many more would take their place, who actually appreciate a nicer environment without cheaters and fakers. And don't forget, there are people buying premium/pro all the time, to this day.

Sadly at the end of the day, with the current 'team' behind QL, it's best not to expect anything - certainly not anything good.

Have you heard about "premium servers"?

You don't have to be a subscriber to join those, though.

You do unless someone invites you.

I mentioned that they do invite each other

So, a bunch of friends want to play internal games on private servers? And their QLRANKS ELO fluctuates as a result? The fucking nerve of them.

Not even comparable.

This is exactly what you described and it works this way. There is sustainable premium community for duel, tdm and ca (dunno about ctf and nobody plays ffa on premium). Very little faking, nick changing or hack accusations.

I too ousted a few people from my list over lifetime. I don't mind playing better people, I prefer it. But those hiding behind alias not only fuck things up in the system, but often have malicious intentions. And especially if they know you and don't tell you --> gtfo

I think nominal fee would be many magnitudes worse for QL than aliasing. Right now, I can tell anyone to 'just try it' and I have gotten some people to play.

Well it's something that should've been done ~4 years ago(if at all), so most people would view it now as 'too late'. But I think that if done right, it'd be very beneficial in the long run.
As for trying the game out and getting people to play, that's true. But that could be solved super easily by a trial-period or free trial content, much like in other paid games.

How is trial period going to get rid of people who alias?

What I meant is you don't get access to the real content, you just get to try the game and get a feel for what it is and what it's gonna be like, then you can decide if it appeals to you or not. And what would be in the limited content needs to be thought upon, but it wouldn't interfere with paid users.

How can you try the multiplayer aspect? I don't it's possible. Either highly limit the inflow by disallowing non-CC users access to the game (multiplayer) or you have ability to alias.

Yea you're right, you wouldn't get the real experience, it's something that needs to be worked out. But I'm open to all ideas, such as making registration harder instead, but that can be difficult to do imo.

The goal here would be keeping 100% availability for business with new people while discouraging excessive creation of aliases.
The solution, ideally, should not involve additional costs, or not too much anyway.

Aliases will happen, there's no arguing with the people who want to hide their identity. What needs to happen is to discourage this to the point of being unfeasible.

1. At all times , link accounts on same IP on the profile page.
Ex: account XXX, shares IP with (select name from users where IP = thisIp)
2. Create guid by hardware and assign it to accounts. Perform the same as above.
3. Open IP masks and guids to public, like Q3 and RTCW did.
4. Make ingame lookup function by IP , for example

/match nickname - would spit out how many other aliases does this share and IP with, if none - to fist closest IP mask.

It's actually not that hard to create a unique client fingerprint based on browser (versions, plugins) and network info. I've kind of done this before, and it would create a significant enough hurdle to aliasing, I think.

Imo there are a lot of things better than a financial one time fee.

Also it's actually a big question if ID can actually ban people who paid a financial fee without breaking laws. (I'm not sure if the USA has laws against this but I wouldn't be suprised if they did)

It might be a lot better to just make the registration more robust (aka real email adress validation and blocking email adresses of people who have cheated (such that before cheating again you must setup a new email account as well)).
Forcing the "introduction" game onto people such that they at least have to go through 10 minutes of playing.
And some other small things like that. Which won't really hurt new players but get anoying if you have to do it every day ;)

Yea it's just one idea that I think could work. But I'm interested in others' thoughts and will gladly hear them out.
I don't know about legal issues so can't speak about that, but as far as I know subscribers get banned the same way as normal users, upon a violation.
Making the registration more robust is definitely a good idea, the question is how effective it would be in practice.

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They had a heated argument and decided to start relationship from a blank page

Had a misunderstanding it's resolved now. ^^

buy more PRO/premium accounts = staff cares more

buy more PRO/premium accounts = more hours for staff to spend improving this game

Whining about aliasing with no PRO/premium account = no one cares

Money = people start caring

On a side note as I do alias myself, I don't believe in inviting players to a premium server. I believe everyone should pay to play. So if you run into aliases inviting each other to a server in multiple numbers, I am not affiliated with this madness.

Alias accounts with no premium = BAN

Alias accounts with premium = No BAN = support game

when i read the title i was sure to find:
"Message to all aliases"

Fuck you all

Probably schizm and his retarded bunch of merry men.

considering he played last game 4 months ago, but chats on IRC 24/7, i'd say most likely

All QL accounts should require a valid passport.

Ha ha! I actually wouldn't even mind that :D shame it's not going to happen and if it did it would be even a bigger hassle for new players to open up an account with a passport and THEN get stomped! :D

inb4 all servers are full of 'player's moms'

passports can be faked

Take out the stats for wins and losses and there wouldn't be so many aliases. When stats are implemented in games it usually ruins the game because the community is too immature to handle it. See: RTCW

Saw RTCW. Headshots on base all day long. No objective.

Yes, exactly.

lol

fuckers always go 'oh shit its an alias' and disconnect even before they play me. It's retarded. WHOEVER YOU ARE PLAYING, PLAY HARD. PLAY AS IF ITS VS RAPHA.

Then you have no problems.

I don't see any bad reason except tier slumming. And when i alias, I just play top tier niggas. I like the feeling of uncertainty when someone good plays me and has to sit up straight because he doesn't know who It is. So it adds to the pressure of the game.

Will I lose to this noname fuck? Is this a smurf or a bot?? I love making em wonder.

It's thrilling.

or you could be like me and play like an idiot no matter who you're up against

it works pretty good too

i can attest to this.

he does play like an idiot.


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Also when you shuffle a game these alt accounts with 0 skill rating will be mixed with the high skill rating players, but the game doesn't know that this guy with skill rating 0 actually has 999 on his real account > then rage quits happen > then whole enemy team gives up > What's the point?

exactly

Latest shuffle scenario

top tier player
average skill
low skill
low skill

vs

average high
alias
alias
average high

team 1 loses 5 games in a row. Top tier guy gets out of character and starts talking shit to his own team.

That is exactly what happens.
But the 'elite' ego players are too short-sighted to care about this, and they're too busy destroying the match anyway by leaving midgame abruptly for 'pickup'.

Vast majority of players just play pub, and if the experience there sucks, soon there'll be no replacements for private matches or any matches.

First of all, nobody bitched about this back in the day, can't you just enjoy the game and shoot at green robots?
Stats just ruined the fun part of quake, when you didn't even care if you lose or win a game.
And all this complaints I hear only from the new school pussies.. rape is part of the game, embrace it, it will make you stronger.

Though you have a point about alts ruining the game experience for low tiered noobs, but it's not as serious as people think. And it's a whole different story for alt-ing in duel and alt-ing in team based games (CA).
If you're a dueler, and you get raped in a match because the opponent is an alt with higher skill then you, well you only lose one game.. one practice game! No one forces you to ready up again on the next map if you feel he's out of your league. On the other hand, you should take it as a challenge an try to do your best, and stop bitching about win/lose ratio and fuckin elo loss.

From time to time I make an alt for various reasons (i play mostly CA):
1. (and most important): just to troll my friends, although they figure it out after 2 or 3 games that is me, it's kinda hilarious to put them in situations they are not familiarized with, and bring a more challenging game for them.
2. If you're familiar with Tritin's series, there was an episode with Sarge talking and said something like, "If you're good, then expect that everyone will want to frag you and hunt you.." and it's actually correct. Being a high skilled player you are always hunted and you're primary target, witch forces you to play a totally different game then if, for example, no one on the server knew who you are and so you could play the game the way you like it. So, from time to time, I just want to play the game different than usual, when most of the opposing team just want to take me down first and deal with my lower skilled mates later. And hiding for me at the start of the rounds is not an option.
3. It takes about 3 or 4 games for a new account to get to the corresponding tier, and yes the first matches I rape them hard, but I was really surprised that most of the time there were 3-4 players that actually are amazed how I move and aim and they start asking me questions how to get good, how I did that jump, what mouse do I use, etc.
I'm not a scrub, and I tell them from the start that this is a new account and if they want me to leave, I'll leave, but guess what, they don't want me to leave, because they wanna learn by watching me, because they don't see players with high skill very often.

I guess this has it's good part and it's bad part, but I really think that for CA this isn't a bad thing. I'm a league admin/organizer for quake events in my country and though we have a small community, we managed to bring a lot of new players enjoying the game and give them advices and shit. The only way I can see and harvest for new talents it's by creating an alt and joining their server (spaming news about upcoming cups, etc)

The bad thing about the current tier system is actually in FFA. Because most of the high skilled players don't play FFA, usually low-mid skilled players are tagged as high tier (4). I wanted to play FFA on my home country servers, I was skilled matched with the server, but the game was a rape, and one by one, they moved to spec or just ragequited, accusing me of cheating etc.. at that moment I stopped playing FFA because I clearly destroyed the game experience for those players. They could not learn anything from me, and that's why I think that 'tier slumming' in CA is not actually a bad thing if you're a kind person and leave if asked or give advices if asked.

TL;DR: Deal with it!

exactly

you need to take reading lessons before you do so much writing

Every single one of your points neither confronts nor addresses anything in my post. You get no consideration for your wall of text.

You just wanted to say something about aliases, maybe you should put it in a journal instead of here.

Sorry if the text wasn't easy to read / understand for you, I obviously expected that few people will read it and that's why I made a TL;DR version :).

And sorry, I didn't know that I don't have the right to express my opinion on your public thread... :) (hint: this is sarcasm)

Sorry buddy, you're not worth the time

No one is obligated to respond to points you, and only you made. So he's stating his opinion on aliasing in general. Big deal, you did the same, and it's just as valid.

Just because it's "been around for a long time" doesn't instantly make it a good thing. And you make it harder to enjoy the game for everyone by destroying matchmaking.
I love how you fakers are always first to bring stats into the argument, before anyone else even mentions it. If somebody wants to better the game in any way, just label them stat or elo whores.
Or new-school pussies. What does that even mean? Do you think yourself special for having played the game for a longer time? Are you paranoid that newer players might reach or exceed your skill and hurt your precious ego?
You're just desperately looking for ways to justify your aliasing which you admit yourself is wrong. And you admit yourself the reasons for doing it, but you're so delusional about it you don't even realize the problem with it anymore, it's funny to watch really.

I did check your profile, and you have 1 month played with a 2008 account. I have 2+ months played with a 2011 account. So you're either a casual or just fake all the time. And you have only played CA, nothing else. Sorry but noone really, truly cares about CA.
And you have to be truly naive to think that the typical situation after a rape is the opponent(s) being amazed by your skill and having a nice conversation. No, after a few times they'll see how retarded it is, quit and probably never touch the game again. Then you wonder why we have a room full of empty seats at Dreamhack and 5k viewers for the grand finals. Good job.

The only way I can see and harvest for new talents it's by creating an alt and joining their server

No, you don't need to harvest for anything or create alts, you need to leave them the fuck alone and let them play their game. QL however needs a lot of changes first to better accommodate new players and their progression.

Regarding FFA, once again you're wrong. Plenty of high skill players play FFA. I know because I play FFA regularly, and very often there's a 16 slot server where you'll find a dozen of top players.
Yea, you joined a Bucharest server. What the fuck did you expect, a bunch of high skilled Europeans on a backwater server? Give me a fucking break.

I really wanted to reply to you with a proper text analysis, in witch I would try to explain to you in a different way (for you to understand) what is the idea behind my 'wall of text', and why I have my account from 2008 but so few games played and proper responses for all your raised issues. But taking into consideration that you didn't even bother to ask me politely those things and you just started to flame, well my reply is:

lol umad?

Really? Did you really bring that argument "But taking into consideration that you didn't even bother to ask me politely those things and you just started to flame" and did you even read your post anyway?

Please.

You admit to raping newbs and dare insult them by calling them newschool pussies and calling them out for legitimate complaints, all in one post. How much more of a pathetic hypocrite can you be?
My post was polite enough for you to read, I'm waiting for your 'explanation', no need for cheap cop-outs.

No substance and no arguments as expected, only a shitty meme. You think I haven't dealt with hundreds of the likes of you before? People in denial. You bore me.

Dear hungarian neighbor,

I usually don't argue with someone who takes fragments out of context and I just stop the conversation with "ok gl hf", but in this case, because I love this community and this game, and as it seems you're a part of it, I somehow feel that you deserve a proper response from me. I don't like quoting and braking text but I'll promise I will do my best to cover all the issues you raised regarding my statements.

- there is no proper matchmaking system implemented in QL, what we have now is a joke. I personally don't blame the devs, because the skill ceiling is so high that, for example, only a small skill difference between two players can result in a 25 - 0 rape on a map (duel).
- the 'stats' subject was brought into discussion in the OP (pls read again).
- I admit that I was a bit harsh saying thing like 'new school pussies', 'noobs' etc. I sincerely apologize and I hope I didn't offend the sensitive guys out there on the internetz.
- to satisfy your curiosity, I have my account from 2008 closed beta and to answer your question why I have so less time played is, sadly, because I don't have the free time to play it. It's the only game I play and love, but real life responsibilities > quake :(. I never judge someone for how much he plays the game, it's just absurd, as absurd as someone will say that I play this game for 14 years and I'm still average :).
- In the time period from 2008 till now I had 9 alt accounts, probably less than others make in week, but it doesn't matter anyway, my point wasn't about "it's legit to make 9 alts in 5 years" that's why I didn't even mentioned it.
- I didn't said I like to tier slum noobs
- I didn't said I like to rape noobs
- I said "I'm not a scrub, and I tell them from the start that this is a new account and if they want me to leave, I'll leave" (with all due respect but fuck you for taking things out of context)
- Getting in contact with low skilled players gave me the opportunity to teach them things and helping them improve. If two pussy noobs quit but one remains and want to get better at quake and improve, I'll pay this exchange gladly.
I'll go Jamalz style on you, but he's right:
Quake is not for the weak, son. It's supposed to be HARD, that's why we love it. And any time of the day I will choose quality over quantity.
- There are many examples of new school players that really wanted to get good and improve and with the proper mindset and dedication got to the point of beating and raping old school vets.
- Regarding FFA, I play on Bucharest servers because I have bad routing and I'm a "all aim no brain fag" I don't enjoy the game if I play on DE servers and my aim is useless because of high ping. And our "backwater servers" were good in the past for you, our hungarian friends :).
- I'm deeply involved in the quake community (locally) but your detective skills didn't found this :), and I'm not surprised. With a quick search you can find what I do for quake and for the community, but all you understood from my reply is that I like raping noobs.

Cheers

just to point out, you did use word rape 5 times. Which tells a little bit about you.

Fair enough, I appreciate that you gave a proper reply. And I can see that you mean well, that's good. I understand the things you're saying, I just respectfully disagree on some points that's all.

Yes measuring skill is not easy but matchmaking is based on wins. Surely you understand that every time you make a new account your 'level' is reset, and it makes the whole system useless.

New players sometimes figure things out on their own over time if they are inspired and motivated enough, sometimes helping them is also welcome. I just don't think that experiencing a rape first-hand over and over is very necessary or constructive.

I agree with your points above, and I hope there are no hard feelings :).

No worries. =)

Nice rationalizations there groparoo.

Now go to the QuakeLive forum and notice how practically every single day a new thread is started complaining about tier-slumming.

And people wonder why the game is not more popular. If there is one reason why people don't want to play this game anymore THIS IS IT.

Also take note that tier 4 is only 25 % of the player base. Take out the rest and the game truly IS dead.

Keep at it boys, you're only killing your own game.

PS: You complain about missing features?
Developers say they don't have the money.
Why don't they have the money?
Because not enough people want to play the game.
Catch my drift?

Please read my reply above.

pb.speakeasy.net was the big alias list site back in the day. Same deal as now.

Internets full of fucks really, what did you expect :)

Who is valentz?
http://qlranks.com/duel/player/valentz
http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/valentz

I speced him...he plays extremely well, who ever he is. :)

http://www.esreality.com/post/2467330/duellum/#pid2497640
i think

My opinion on aliasing: meh.

I have two accounts, the other is for when i am too high to deal with people and just want some brainless pub fun until my headache kicks in.

the stupid part about aliasing in a small community is that people will probably recognize you by your playstyle anyway.

lolled

Well no shit you 'lolled', one of the biggest fakers and newb farmers. Luppi or what should you be called this time? You and your cretin mates like funnyb aliasing. You think you're so clever, but you aren't even aware of the consequences of your actions.

:D

Be aware of the consequences of your actions Funnyb! Stop destroying quake!

You can make misplaced sarcastic comments all you like, it only further proves your idiocy.
I was playing with you guys as 'passion' back when you played Luppi, because I wanted to play together with a friend(who will remain unnamed for now) who was also aliasing at the time. Obviously I was too naive about your intentions. All you guys did was spawn a CTF server, deny shuffle, and farm newbs for hours on end. The most boring games of my life and it revealed to me how pathetic aliasing can be.
People like you disgust me.

I like how you say "you guys" as if I was in on it.

No, the people who did it know who they are, you were faking on aztec in duel or some shit, I don't give a fuck, it changes nothing the end result is the same. I like how you assumed I'd meant you, and your reply is pointless.

Because in the same thread of replies you did mention me as one of his cretin friends, so you did bring that upon yourself by your useless ranting.

Players like you push away people who install QL for the 1st time...they don't know what RA is and you destroy them 24:-3 on Bloodrun. How many aliases you have...6-7?

Quake players have fragile egos B-e

blaming aliases for all kinds of crap is funny, i care much more about banning cheaters.. pew pew pew

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/onthebeatch

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/pizzaburger

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/cakez

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/cl1p_

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/balalaikin

so after.. catching all these and more in virtually one day, id decides to ban me yet once more for a week for derogative language. while people run around the next day and cheat again.

then you see a thread about people crying about aliasing. its a complete joke.

well, bans shouldnt be exclusive, right?
In a perfect world there should be permabans for all cheating trash, bans for people that have more than 2 accounts and limits on creating fakes lets say 1/ 3 months. and also tempbans for morons swearing and trashtalking waaaay above decent by a cultural norm level.

posting as anon in an alias thread ^^

A better question than all these grand arguments about aliasing is would removing aliasing detract from the gaming experience that is quake live?

No it would not.

Done.

"...would removing aliasing detract from the gaming experience that is quake live?"

can you refraze?

this thread is just lololololol

I play public ctf, and I don't think I've ever noticed any aliases (except for KOMAP's) ruining games. Lucky me I guess, or perhaps I just don't pay any attention to it.

You def aren't paying attention to it

Then it must not have a big impact on the games I see :-)

this has been common in every game community and more so as it's gets older

m-my ego...my identity...

Not really the same.

Older games required a key. And you could change your nickname endlessly with one key. Sure. But we could always find out who that person was, for instance with the GUID...
That person wants many GUIDs? Then that person needs to buy the game many times :).

Do people on Quake Live have to "purchase" the same thing each time they want to be untraceable? Nope :D!!! And this is where all the magic happens my friend, when something particular triggers in one's mind, that juice, that thing that pushes them doing that special thing that is aliasing hehe, they can't stop anymore, it's a drug, one account today! "What? NOT ENOUGH, second one, hehe, but still no satisfaction :( NEED MOAR, one account per week, still too strong, worse than cocaine, let's do ONE PER DAY, HOLLY SHIT FEELS GOOD, CAN WE DO MOOOORE? SYNCERROR PLEASE STOP DELETING MY ALTS, I HAVE TO MAKE ONE PER HOUR NOW!"

Aliasing is a drug don't do that!

so much bad/sad/mad in this topic LOOOOL

CampingTroll u fucker

u guise remember a time when multi clanning was considered bm?

back in da dayzzz

I am not CampingTroll

Solution? 500 matches to unlock lightning gun.

No more aliases that are any good.

No more aliases that are any good.
No more players that are any good.
No more players.

or on a more serious note, how about 500 matches before stats are visible?

How come you can use an alias on QuakeLive? I though it was impossible.

What is his affiliatino with syncerror? Do you know?

Everyone has to stop getting their knickers in a knot about this.... Why shouldn't people be allowed to 'alias', sometimes people just want to play the game and not be bothered, be that by their friends, or by the general gaming public... sometimes you just want to play anon, sometimes you might want to test new settings and not be the least bit concerned about how you look doing it...
Ok, yeah it screws up the shuffle... but you were only taking about pub CA anyway, so surely you can work something out and move on? ( hint: start your own servers )
It's not often that aliases can REALLY screw up a game anyway... or maybe I just don't let CA bother me all that much.

It's ok if you have 2 accounts... ok maybe 3 then... but 50 accounts? Seriously? Why? Do you need thousands of accounts to be anonymous?

Quake cheaters just want to be able to 'track' and 'monitor' your connection so that they can then perform various other hacks and cheats or just harass casual gamers.

lol? why would I want 38 LG on my current account when I can have 42 LG on a new one... you dump?