Did you have really low fps before the update?

My fps were always 125 and I run it on ssd drive.

Nope, just feels way better.

i always had stable 125 fps in windowed mode, but when i switch to full screen, the fps becomes soo instable, i can't even get a stable 120 fps :/ im using a laptop and new games work great on it, only quake live :/ any help ?

com_idlesleep 0 ?

it is set to 0 and im having this problem since i started playing ql, sometimes i even have to vid_restart when i enter a server just cause the game lags so bad at the beginning, then it works fine but i still can't get a stable fps :/

My game right now is back to slow mode. So to me it's "normal", but I have a feeling that it's not really normal. Maybe some kind of input lag... Rockets feel pretty slow. I noticed that the server feel changes a lot when I get packet loss with bad routing. Today I haven't gotten it yet. So overall feel is slow compared to what I've had the whole week. My mouse doesn't feel acceled anymore etc...

edit: Lg also easier to hit because the models don't accelerate as crazy as it has been as of late so it's somewhat easier to track. No through rails so far.

So yeah.... writing in my imaginary diary since nobody has an answer for me or concrete explanation. Basically I've noticed that whenever I start a game it feels in a certain way, but when I alt+enter to make the screen smaller to maybe answer to my skype or what not, then I get back to full screen my game feels different. My mouse feels more sensitive and the game is very fast, it's like my mouse sensitivity increased due to the game pace increase. The funny part is that either fast or slow sensitivity I'm still doing the same cm/360. Before I was complaining how my game feels too fast, but now that I got used to it, I may as well and complain about how when it feels too slow I gotta aim in a totally different way it's like I'm getting input lag.

It kind of amuses me how fast the game/mouse can change from just going back to windows from the game and back to it. It's pretty retarded and I wish there was one specific game environment where
I can actually adapt to aiming at and be more consistent.

Does anyone have the same problem?

shrugs

When you play back demos before patch did they seem faster?

Could get a demo from before patch and one after, play both in wolfcam. Find a similar situation eg. both firing rockets. sync it up and see if you actually can see a difference?

One thing I have witnessed with other games is more fps seems to make the game more floatly and does make movement gain faster. eg. cs1.6 scoutzknives - developer 1, max fps so fun hitting those ledges.

protip: don't ever use developer 1 in cs.

Guess you never played scoutzknives or surf maps very often, there's a benefit to it, and its often banned/locked on most jump maps/scotknives servers for that reason

Edit: ofc I wouldn't play with dev normally

yes, i have. my point is that it fucks up your movement, making it feel like you're walking through mud. recoil is affected in a negative manner as well, but mostly in regards to spraying, so shouldn't be too bad with scout.
edit: i'm curious though, what do you consider to be beneficial about it?

This is the best I could find is some conversation about it, ask anyone who is good at kz shrugs(edit english, not suppose to be sarcastic or w.e, im no kz pro meaning the best answer is from those type of people). I've merely felt/experienced/seen the difference.

https://forums.alliedmods.net/archive/index.php/t-62302.html

^ lol

Yeah when game is "faster" I do gain speed much faster than usual, I can actually feel the micro movement. When game slower I don't even feel the movement but I think I am actually moving because people seem to react to it lg vs lg. I'm talking about the short movement... and NO I'm not on meds LMAO.

I've always had that issue in quake. When I first started playing quake I've put some time to setup my sensitivity. Everyday I increased it because it felt slower, maybe because I've started to get used to it. Then one day all of a sudden my shit moves super fast, so I assumed maybe I was tired.... Then over time I realized something wasn't right... So my next assumption was maybe the servers were just smoother so it felt like I'm moving too fast because usually at night time I would feel like shit is moving way too fast and I couldn't hit shit at all. The strange part is that when game too "fast" I get hit hard too but when game is "slower" I don't seem to die as fast... Maybe because I move differently since "faster" game movement is more swift and "slower" movement isn't as sensitive with the keyboard, because I definitely gain more speed on the "faster game".

Anyone here using i7 930 CPU? I'm starting to think that it somehow could be connected to my hardware. I used to think it was the video card but I switched it and it was still the same.

To be honest I don't think anyone can really help me LMAO. I've sort of given up. I play with whatever I get, and I don't see the point to even touch my mouse sensitivity since it's about right when it's slower and kinda fast when it's faster but I slowly adapt to it with a shitty accuracy on the first few games... LOL

Maybe one day I try different hardware, but right now I don't see the point of getting a new setup just for this game.

I wonder if anyone else here just plays quake and it's never truly consistent... Sometimes I feel like the heavy hitters are the one who don't really have any issues with quake and the less consistent ones are those who get the random shit every other day... BUT I could be just a hater.

maybe you changed your cg_playerlean ?

No, I haven't touched my cfg in months. I figured if I had good days then it could be just me on the bad days so no point messing with it. But the issue I'm having is QL or my HARDWARE or BOTH.

Keep your fingers away from there!

lol... TURBO! good one.

Can you give us your pc specs please?

Btw did you try to install QL on another hard drive instead of the SSD?

Hey,

My specs are:

i7 930
GTX 480
ASUS p6x8d premium
4gb ram

Asus 120hz monitor
Zowie ec1 evo
Steel series wtfever with red switches, switched it from another keyboard that the 'a' key kept repeating itself.
Goliathus Speed? I think.

I use 12CM/360.

I googled for mouse sensitivity problems and came across this CS thread about floaty mouse feel while in game. I think that's exactly what I have but on top of that my game is also faster.. LMAO... sorry could'nt resist. I've turned off my windows AERO and for a second there I thought I fixed my problem because I played vs a bot and my mouse didn't feel all jittery. Then of course right after I've gotten the same thing again and it was pretty bad.

Now I'll contradict myself and say that it could be my mouse as well, why? Because I noticed that when I shake my mouse really fast that's when the floaty feeling comes back. I wonder if it's mouse failure? It's like my mouse gets stuck in that state and remains there throughout the game lol.

You tried to install on another hard drive or partition?
Did you plug another mice to see if the problem comes from the mice? Try different polling rate maybe.

When you play and when it's "fast" or even when it's "slow", how many FPS do you have?

My FPS is fine, I got it capped at 125 because 250 felt too unnatural.Very similar to what I exhibit now. I think I've tried all these tests a while ago, I could try again although I feel lack of motivation to bother. I'm sort of getting used to the "fast" again but it really messes up swift movements because it's like I got accel on. Micro movement are slow but if I move it fast it feels like accel is on. I've noticed that when I start up Quake it feels fine but like I said earlier, when I go back to windows something happens. Especially when I get a skype message and it flashes, it somehow affects my game lol, it's ridiculous. Also when I go back to game my gamma goes down. and I have to reset it. I know I got my nvidia brightness settings to 50%, I wonder if it somehow affects my game as well after I get back to full screen again. The brightness reduction started after I updated my drivers though. But the problem manifested itself sometime later.

An update........ I reinstalled the game and it seems to make a difference for the first few minutes on practice then it cameback to the same bs. Game does feel better overall, seems like my cfg was really old, I actually just copy paste my weapons into a new cfg. Didn't change much of the graphics. I've tested my mouse outside of the game with the mouse movement recorder, it was good. In game the test was bad... I tried on other games, it was still good. So I'm pretty sure it's not my mouse, it's something within the quake engine. Is there a way to make it somehow a standalone graphic wise... I can't explain it but like so it doesn't accept any input outside of the game because I think it somehow picks up bs outside the game.

It has become really bad....

edited reason: misread OP :X

solved, what?

please read the original post again, something you should do before commenting, always. he complains about the game being too fast and too smooth now it has a 'standalone client'.

besides that... decades of testing out various variables for idtech3 apparently flew right past you. yes, we've been over sv_fps... several times.

noun: zealot
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hey fanatic about quake, ok fine, BUT

You should read the rest of his posts, always, before being a zealot.
I should have replied to the correct comment not the OP, specifically his comment #12 on inconsistency.
I didn't have the time or patience to recheck his posts or talk with a zealot until now.

I have read conflicting (and probably out of date) information on the effects of high sv_fps, some say high is better, for defrag, then others say it places too much strain on servers and has negative affects for online combat also making accuracy too high?
I was trying to start dialogue, where someone might update my limited knowledge of this subject.
Cut to the chase, I was wondering if listening to the forum whingers to higher the sv_fps in QL, has overloaded the servers at peak times?
I'm not trying to bitch on QL like the bantards, just trying to help work this out for myself and maybe others(5 years too late) because it had pissed me off for a while.

please, as usual reply with JESUS SOOO LAST CENTURY with no links to the real pros and cons of high sv_fps in a GSP data center environment?

Maybe esr is not the place for this discussion all the QL rejects just come here to get unbanned or cry about swearing or just general PLhUSSie© posting.

k put my straight jacket back on, im dun se. <|-(

QL uses sv_fps 40

you said you changed gfx driver? try the old one, Nvidia are using framesmoothing, and maybe they changed something around again + it will definitely feel different with 250fps. fps higher than 125 feels like mouse smooth for me, so i only added a bit 144fps for smoothness(dno if that's a bad idea anyone? should i just stick to 125?)

have you changed fov, lol?

Hello,

Didn't realize there were posts here. I've actually gotten an older driver and the issue still remained and I have not made any cfg changes.. I don't want to point fingers because maybe my pc just expiring. Apparently the MouseMovementRecorder is only good to test mouse movements on Windows? But still my mouse was good on windows.

My game was alright when the standalone came out, it just started to act up full time about 2-3 weeks ago. I did try 250 FPS but my mouse felt too smoothed, same as it feels right now on 125 fps.

I'm being on repeat mode here, haha. As always when game starts up all fine, moment I alt+enter to respond to a message or what not, it craps up on me, mouse gets accel... I've actually tried to lower my Yaw and micro movements way too slow but once you start moving the mouse it goes way too fast, lmao.

I'll admit that I sort of like the rockets cause they almost insta. Why I'm not sure if the game SPEED UP is a glitch or it's "true quake". But it comes with the price of my mouse going too fast. I think my input altogether is super sensitive. Even keyboard movement is hyper sensitive. I gotta make micro movements for good lg aim or else I fail miserably. Basically the way I aim right now is completely different than the way I aimed before, and I am getting used to it but it requires complete effort which sometimes gets really annoying. And forget about mouse aim lol.... can't flick or anything because mouse inconsistent or makes large movements.

I made a post on QL forum too, but it's basically the same thing just much shorter. Lorfa tried to assist me there.

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...E-problems

Could you record a video of it? I'd be curious to see your fast quake.

alt-enter causes wrong display refresh sometimes, check if it's right via monitor menu, vid_Restart after alt-enter should fix it if it's not

alt-enter again twice back to fullscreen usually fixes that for me quicker.

For me that doesnt always do it 100% either ;( might alt-enter back to 144hz windowed and then 60hz fullscreen again :D

Lol I knew I wasn't crazy...

see #50

Try setting refresh rate to max available in nvidia control panel for the quakelive.exe as well

I haven't had it mess up since.

Hopefully if you're on ATI there's a similar option in their drivers.

Are you sure that you are not mistakenly changing mouse DPI when playing?

I ask this because I sometimes hit the DPI button on my mouse and increase or decrease my DPI which makes the mouse either move too fast or too slow respectively.

Keep an eye on the netgraph (cg_lagometer 1 or 2 ) and your ping.
30ms or so feels rather slow and in some ways aiming (lg) can seem a lot more consistent to some when you're used to it.

20ms or lower and the whole game seems faster and aiming is harder until you get used to it.

small constant ping spikes or PL that you'll see on the netgraph can make it feel really different too, so often for many the game is a lot faster very late at night when there is less ISP contention from daytime users.

Only other thing is cl_timenudge nagative values will feel a bit faster but micro warping players will look very juddery to you. There's also cl_autotimenudge 1.

Some people, mostly with logitech mice often reported regularly finding a changed sensitivity in game, many reported that went with different logitech software versions.

Thank you all for the replies... It's possible that it's less network congestion and so on. But the mouse issue is still there, I don't really expect anyone to know how to fix it, and I'm not yet willing to buy a new setup just for quake. I have tried to reproduce the same sensitivity issue with a new Deathadder and it was the same. I'm pretty sure the game is way more responsive and projectiles are faster, we can assume my game is "normal" but when that happens my mouse is just so freakin sensitive I just can't enjoy the game. An easy way to reproduce it is just shake my mouse and it's like it's stuck on accel mode after that, as if it's layered on top of it's sens, that's the feeling I have like I layer my mouse sens on top of another sens... LMAOO..... anyways I'll keep looking for a "fix" as long as I feel that it's worth the effort.

Have you thought about changing your Windows sensitivity and see if it affects your "fast-QL"... just in case for some reason it doesn't take raw input anymore.

I've played with my sensitivity a lot, if I put it too low then it's more manageable but it's much harder to hit, at least for me, because I'm a high sens player. Like I said before maybe the game is normal I've just gotten used to the "lagged version". I'm 100% sure that rockets come out faster though, and my movement seems much more crisper, but that also means that I have to move with more attention because it's so sensitive. And it's highly possible that when my mouse goes too fast that I have a sense of "faster game" feel because it's so much harder for me to aim because the sensitivity is too fast.

What is in_MouseMode set to?

Is your system time correct? I'm envisioning an _extremely_ weird bug that's probably impossible in which the system time actually fluctuates (speeds up) causing the game which depends on timeGettime() to give inaccurate results, or if the time within the program is somehow speeding up.

You'd think that would make the FPS go haywire though if not simply cause a crash.

My clock seems correct hahaa... The internal time I can't tell, I'm not a hardware savvy. I have overclocked my CPU though almost 4 years ago when I got this setup. Maybe it's crapping out? But would it show these kind of symptoms? Could it be USB? I've tried unplugging them all before and the issue remained. Maybe it's the mobo...? Who knows lol. I may try to down clock my cpu later to see if it's more "stable" if it's not right now.

My in_mouse is 2, I've tried -1 yesterday, at first you feel this placebo but then you realize it's the same. Especially when someone messages me on skype hahaha.... My sens goes crazy, I already know that I got a message. So it's like something graphical perhaps? Network? Before my theory was that my mouse goes crazy because of routing changes and red lines on my lagometer. At least that's the behaviour I used to notice with my mouse. Every time I got a red line my mouse sens would speed up. Just to clarify, whenever my routing would change I'd get a red line on my lagometer. My routing would change very frequently on quake as I was playing, unless it was just ping spikes, because ping would be 30 for 5min, then 40 then 50, in rotations. Could be all in my head but it was consistent with my theory before, until now of course, now it's skype LMAO.

Was asking about in_MouseMode so that it can be verified that in_mouse actually changes and doesn't fail for some reason and automatically choose a different input mode.

Maybe try one of those memory tests to check for a bad memory stick.

Also you could try looking for a bios update for your mobo if there is one (a bios update corrected by dpc latency spikes, I didn't notice any difference but I was still glad they were gone).

I get win32(raw).

Edit:

Just tried left4dead 2 and the mouse seemed fine there. No accel, when I turned off vsync the mouse felt more responsive but there wasn't any evidence of accel.

Lowered my sens on quake so it's a bit more manageable, at least vs the bots, small movements seem fine, larger movements trigger something. I also feel like this "bug" kicks in when I change my weapons.

Untick 'Enable pointer precision' in your mouse drivers.

in case you overclocked it the CPU it might be the problem, but as far as I remember the Nehalem CPUs already got the invariant TSC timer so it technically shouldnt be the case
Anyway try disabling HPET in bios and check with /com_idlesleep 0 ingame

disabling HPET reduces FPS values in QL for me greatly (i5-4590)

try plying QL on different PC so you can check if it will be any different.
Also set maximum prerendered frames to 1 in NVidia drivers software it makes big difference on how fast acceleration of movment feels.

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