and you cant have fun with 60fps? why is that?

i remember playing ET with 40 fps and having lots of fun. Because fun is FPS cap independent.

So kindly fuck of with your nerd gibberish.

Tft works different than crt. 40 Fps on a 120hz tft isn't fun. Not even 60-75 fps. And he's right - just switching 60hz doesn't do thd trick. It not 60hz native. That beeing said i played RAGE on my 2233rz just fine. The game has a 120hz mode. It works different to id tech 4. Only the animations remain 60hz, but im not sure.

This is so stupid that I want to plus it :D

Only thunderstruck on the new doom @ 120fps can give us fun, to have 50% machinegun accuracy instead of 48% @ 60fps only.
Dont forget it, bro

singel player with 60fps is ok with me.

If I recall correctly they said SP would be 30 fps and MP 60 fps. But it was a long time ago so it might have changed.

freesync and gsync, they be countin on that!

untill u get a syncerror!

wow wow wait a minute.

syncerror

gsync

freesync


SYNCerror
gSYNC
freeSYNC




























FREE G ERROR????!!

*wew wew

Not to worry - there's no difference between 60fps and 120fps in single player. Both are utterly shit.

Ah, yes, the bigger picture: it's not as if I'm going to buy the game anyway.

Yeah I was disappointed with Wolfenstein not supporting more than 60fps and SLI. It's a pity because the game is fun.

it's fine

Such modern FPS engine, much wow.

modern tech, modern monitors (UHD's 120+hz support 3D support) capping a game to 60fps. hahahahaa ridiculous.....10years ago they had uncapped fps games for shitty hardware. now 10 years later with 5generations of hardware forward we are moving backward.....developers....blah....wtf are you thinking? PC is PC, cap that stuff on consoles it makes a lot of sense. but caping it for PC is like stil having a cascet after your broken limb has healed....geez....

But then consoles would be more shitty then they are now :<

whining about 60 fps, when human eye cant see more than 24fps...sigh

That's wrong.



troll? why am i so gullible

This is one of those "how can there be 4 million viewers if there's only 2 million people in the world" kind of baits.

7/10

how can the earth be 4.5 billion years old when it's only the year 2014 lol?

Actually, the universe was created about 8000 years ago.

by cooller

"And then Cooller said: DAAAAAAAA!!!!"

no u

worst troll attempt ever

It's more of a joke.
Successful may I add : )))

jealousy because of all the pluses :D

Carmack always talked about 125fps, 120hz and at least giving players the ability to play like that on the PC., but when you saw his engines and games (idtech4 and idtech5) they were all caped to 60fps, lol.

Also his shadows' technology in idtech4 destroyed fps' in open environments so it contributed to doom3 becoming a slow paced horror screamer type with very unimaginative maps (one hell map and zero halls at least), megatextures never contributed to anything, etc. etc.

Still a great guy tho.

ehmm.... you're confusing cause and effect.

The goal was to make doom3 a somewhat slow paced horror type of game in close corridors. To do so Carmack wrote an engine which had different lighting/shadows than other engines.

Also the cap at 60fps is a result of the choice to develop (rage) for consoles and in general move towards that market. Consoles / TV systems have limiations to them which massively reduce the benefit of more than 60fps.
Actually theres already little benefit to 60fps > 30fps on these systems.

He kinda explained all of that in his talks at qcon over the years hehe...

there's a HUGE difference between 30 and 60fps even on consoles, and that's why their mark was to get rage to run at 60fps on there too. Depending on how fast the graphics move, anything above 60fps is useless on console, considering stick movement are at fixed speed plus 60hz are max, and most use v-sync.

Well I would agree with you that theres a huge difference between 30 and 60 fps... pretty much regardless of any other fact....

But most people who play console games wouldn't be able to tell the difference. At least not in a way that would make them buy one game over the other.

Also (in general) input on consoles is so crappy and theres an insane amount of delay because of tv properties etc.... that the extra value decreases.

That doesn't mean that you won't notice it... but it means that it won't really help you perform better. Which is then in turn why many people don't notice it.
People don't even notice the (often more than 100ms delay) between their action and the action taking effect on the screen.

They (those peasants) do notice, including big fps drops. There's countless articles and threads about the matter across several genres.

Though it might be true that they don't care about 125. However I still find funny how Carmack always talked about it and 120hz and inputs and stuff and when it came to his products he did the opposite, even hard coding limits.

perhaps that's why he's now working at occulus dealing with better input, reduced lag of devices, pushing more fps, etc.

I don't know how much you're into coding and hardware.... But if it was possible to not have any limit I'm sure he would've done that.
But you'd have to sit through his qcon notes :D

He somewhat explains the benefits and downfalls of the choices. But at the end of the day... you have to make a choice as you can't have it both ways.


What would be a really valuable path (in my eyes) is to seperate the input + all 'gaming world entities' (level + opponents + any projectiles etc.) from the actual graphical engine.
So that all inputs are done without any delay and they are also send to the server without any delay. And that the graphics are drawn according to that state.
This way you can have both ways... because you can choose to have ugly graphics with 1000fps and beatifull graphics at 30fps build over the core of the game which will be unaffected.

well yeah, most console ppl dont notice even HUGE input lags in games, i think it's farcry 3 which buffers 2-3times and THEN uses v-sync, and then adding and avg. of 33ms for most hdtv's. That's just insane, but most ppl are just fine with it. afaik halo 3 has 133ms built in lag on inputs. Best games for input lag i guess is games using id engines, and MOST 3rd person games out of japan, have very good input for some reason. Anything mainstream AAA out of usa is mostly shit input, which you just have to deal with. Now there's much other factors than input lag on consoles, since all games with camera movement 1st or 3rd uses different algorithms for the stick movement.

I'm very bad at dealing with it and that's why i could never game on a big hdtv with input lag, i'd rather use monitor, or crt tv.

you sure thats not just for console releases?

there is no ID tech 5 game on PC that doesn't have the 60fps cap

it cant possibly stay like that forever.......eventually they or someone will unlock this.... right?

I stopped hoping a long time ago. Life is easier. JUST LET IT GO MAAAN

another question is, d3-bfg had a 120fps cap, so how hard would it be to change that i guess? make a code change to devide physics by too, and then raise fps cap?

what i don't get is why, after q3, when he figured out he could async physics and rendering, did he still lock them together? is it a performance thing? does someone know?

consoles everywhere

too much bs in this thread

Dear SyncError,

I have just purchased Wolfenstein: The New World Order Piratebay Deluxe edition and I must point out that there is no Doom beta for me, as the bethesda site does not accept my cd key. Please fix this.

Thank you in advance,

--

Wolfenstein makes me worry about Doom 4 =(

There is something sexy about repacked games, they just work and all the good shit is included

There is something about user-created content in general and most publishers will do anything to stop it. It wasn't the case with id games until quakelive.