Meh, QW feels a ton better than QL, it's just way less forgiving.

jumping around on dm3 is certainly fun, but getting hit by shaft or rl just ruins the game :/ anytime ive played it online i got the feeling dodging is close to pointless

just meant the feel of it, 77 tickrate and the movement.

yeah i guess, as long as your playing on lan ping D:

Aye sir.

there's no railgun in QW :p.

which is justice at it's finest.

players like k1llsen or twister would be awful at quakeworld :(

what i like in ql gameplay is that there is more diversity in the playstyles than in QW.

I doubt they'd be awful, they might not like it sure.

Thing is rockets are fucking shock combos, and shotgun is a really efficient long-range finishing weapon, but you can't go around crippling people from long range because they're in your line of sight, you have to predict.

Also, playstyle diversity isn't really an issue in different games, different playstyles show themselves differently in different games as people adapt, of course playing exactly the same is stupid, though it would be stupid to play quake 3 the same way you play QL.

no gibs?
than its not perfect.

i personally don t care about gibs :p

and i like the sparks effects :)

blasphemy.

sparks are nice, but we need atomic bomb lazerrry disco-mode effects

I don't get why people moan about gibs when everyone would have it turned off anyway.

QL is far from perfect - a lot of bugs, missing features, not optimized cpu-hungry graphics engine, lag&warp netcode, team-stacking shuffle etc.
But still it's one of the best fast-paced FPS games.

missing features^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quake Live (Quake 3), as a game, is the cream of the crop. Quake Live, as a whole, is the greatest disappointment of great potential I've known as a gamer. Thank you, whatever hollow shell of id Software remains, for turning my admiration into resentment. Regards to Bethesda, as well.

Disabling LAN and putting that shit in a browser? Yeah that sure sounds like the greatest fps game ever that I dont want to play

I agree. Quake is perfect.

/video quality

yes quak best geme, we know that m9

best quak game, that m9 know potat

Cant be *perfect* since weve already had two much better versions of the same game.

Everyone who has stuck to one game (including really crappy ones) for few years feels the same; next

I prefer CPM.

Understandable, CPM is very nice too ;)

i like both gameplay, but vql is more popular ;)

Watching cpm*

yes

it's better than cs, i'll give you that

reflex(i hope)>cpm>qw>q4>q2>q3>ql>cs

qw has the smoothest feel out of any quake tho that will never be topped.

>qw has the smoothest feel out of any quake tho that will never be topped

which is why you put it below cpm

yea who doesn't love coming to a grinding halt every time you meet stairs

it's a really important gameplay mechanic to mitigate the way that such freedom of movement can ruin positional advantages.

best example of this is warsow: duel is kind of a joke since your movement is basically unstoppable, which totally ruins that positional advantage aspect of the game.











still fuck qw stairs

You know, I have written that exact same thing many times here and every single one got bashed by warsow-only fans.

They have no clue Kappa

The diversity of TFC can not be beat.

No gore. Team Arena destroyed ctf, Lightning gun is a tad too powerful. But it's still the best.

Needs to be overhauled desperately though if the game is to become as popular as it used to be, (not the gameplay, but everything else)

Powerups you can team up or outskill someone to steal off them = the most fun.

Q2CTF runes >>>>>>> TA runes.
grapple ctf >>>>>>> no grapple ctf


conclusion, bring back q2ctf in QL ( ie. Three wave Classic CTF !! )

agreed, q2ctf is da bess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyNFSzwTtF8

preaching to the choir man

"you can play any gametype you want at any time"
not true

And paradoxally, the game is surviving with MOST of the pros players still playing.

nope, CS.

quake is fun. and its the type of fun its hard to find nowadays with all these casual/tactical shooters. but to say its perfect FPS? naaa-uhhhh

If i had to pick up a game closest to the ideal FPS, i would say RtCW. Fast gameplay combined with shitload of class interactions and the need of tactics. If only PF wasnt such a factor in games :<

rtcw was nice. Flamethrower <3

afaik its possible to play rtcw nowadays, as a lot of people did switch back from ET.

nah it is too ugly now even for me )

hahaha it looks like ql :D

nop absolutely not. I did not like those models and animations and map light and construction design even that time.

Pretty much, no buts.
& QW.

/thread

Thanks to idsoftware? no not what is left of it

thanks to our JC tho <3

You mean, thanks to the community.

Because everything, from the netcode to the weapon and gameplay balancing have been basically developed and finely refined by peoples outside id.

QL should have included the ability to play QW and Q2 + mods online in the same manner as Q3

Damn that would have been awesome.

for all 20 people that still want to play QW...
ah well, at least it's more than warsow

i would have played so 21!

22

23st

Why would you want to play those games on QL's shitty platform, when you can play both games on PLAYABLE, 3rd party servers with free access to their community content for free?

cuz

the game is just fine, but the gaming experience is awful
5 tiers and the game would be perfect

It depends on how u define "perfect". Perfect as in "without any flaws", definitively no then. The best compromise between flaws and fun, then yes.
As an UTer, i learnt to appreciate all the goods Qlive had to offer and it's really nice! I would like to see so many UT features in ql ofc (and the vice versa is also very true), but i think if you consider all the things (from the gameplay, to the UI, the customization, the reliability and many many more aspect) you could objectively say QL is a notch above UT, at least it's my opinion.
So ye i [+]'ed op but i think the title would win to be adjusted to sth more fitting.
"Best fps out there" "Most complete fps" would, i guess.

I hope to keep on playing Quake for as much time i will be able to, it will mostly depend how the new UT will be and how fast its community will react to release some kind of super utcomp to bring everything the comp. community would need and Epic wont bring at day one.
I should finish with a long live Ql? or Lets hope for a good ql 2.0? Whichever fits the most, lets say =) .

It would be a lot better if it had better netcode so I could play with Euros.
CPMA netcode is a much better approach.

Unfortunately a lot of people here seem to think you would be shot through walls with that style of netcode, but they don't seem to realize that happens anyway.

sure except for the fact, that it is technically impossible to make such a netcode that players with ping 30 and ping 150 will be equal without ruining the game for all players.
good example is bf4 - equally garbage netcode for hpbs and lpbs.

Not equal of course, but closer. The difference between 20 ping and 65 ping in QL is far too massive.

but that is how it should be. 40ms in reaction time is very noticable. For example if I play instagib on ping 65 vs guy with ping 20-30 if we shoot simultniously he will always kill me first. There is nothing wrong with it.
And you can not make it closer without introducing some kind of handicup for lpbs like reducing sv_fps to 10 and reducing rate of client sending information to 30, also they will have to tweak unlagged so it will work for ppl up to 200ms. And ofcourse client-side hit detection! And there you go, it will be utter trash for everyone:
- no hit reg
- false hit reg
- death behind corner
- faulty animations of models
- generall laggyness of the game
- dodging vs insta hit weapons impossible
and many other side effects

the expirience for both 150 ping player and 20 ping player will be equally shitty.

To make the game accessible outside of Europe changes are necessary.
What difference would making the netcode better for the lightning gun do? This isn't a railgun, it's a tracking weapon and nobody ever aims it like a railgun except for maybe k1llsen.

Yes you can do well with it on 65 ping but the difference between 30 ping and 65 ping is easily felt.
Even the difference between 40ms and 65ms in Quake Live is much too large.

This makes the game inaccessible to almost all of the West coast in the United States. The majority of players play on the east coast where west players will get 90 ping to their servers. If east coasters do decide to play Texas, most of them will just complain about the 65 ping and simply not play.

I have never seen anyone complain about the netcode of CPMA and that is much more lenient.

You can already shoot through walls in Quake Live, making the game have a higher sv_fps and smoothing out the difference between 0-100 ping would be a massive benefit.

you missing the point. It is *technically* impossible without ruining the game in some other way.

higher sv_fps _will not_ smoothing out the difference between 0-100 ping
in fact the higher server and client tickrates are, the bigger advantage low ping players will have.

"You can already shoot through walls in Quake Live"
exactly, we have unlagged working only untill 80ms and we ALREADY have shots behind the corners etc. So do you want to see like 10% shots go though? Deaths behind the corner every single time you think u safe? Inability to dodge LG? And many other side effects.

Sure it suck when you can not play your favorite game because you do not have populated servers near you. But thats how it goes, no low ping servers => you can not play fast paced games online.

What does dodge and lg have to do with ping? It shouldn't make a difference. You can argue that you react to what's happening and adjust your dodge for it, however that time gap is very small and the time it takes your character to actually move is going to be much more than 100ms.

There is absolutely no reason that the LG feels very different between 40 ping and 65ping. Nobodies reaction are going to change the outcome of that battle.

and again with changes you propose it will be even worse because everything will be laggy. Sure there might not be any difference between 40 and 65 anymore, and difference 10 vs 100ms will be barely noticable, but that will be because everybody will feel like on 100ms+ that will be the cost of changes you propose.

You can not fool around time, if one player is behind another on server time he will always suffer from this in some way. Otherwise they both should be so lagged, that their ping difference is no longer noticable.

With the way you are describing things you are suggesting there be no lag compensation.

Again, CPMA does the netcode much more balanced.

nah LoL is way better. I played my first game ever and got 2nd by just clicking a bit randomly on the screen and reading forums at the same time. I got so many "kill streaks" too, I must be LoL pro

I wasn't aware LoL was an FPS ;)

lol just trolling lol

I don't get how you can say that QL is the best FPS ever while also mentioning in the same sentence that it is dead. Kind of controversal..

All 20 ppl playing QL agree :D

Imo QL is far from being "perfect". Post this on reddit in r/games for example and listen what non-quakers have to say and you will clash with reality.

also

LG inb4

mainstream gamers who need tutorials from start to finish in slow-motion paced games will surely smash quake.

mainstream gamers

You sound like ultimate hipster.

you mean, you don't know the "If Quake was done today" vid.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/lwojb...one_today/

This,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEoZbXB78NI

Is why.

Utter douchebaggery multiplied by complete idiocracy.

Post this on reddit in r/games for example and listen what non-quakers have to say and you will clash with reality.

i'm curious, what would they say ? :)

le

ql = best duel game
qw = best 4v4 tdm
cpm = best everything else

Happy to read that. I basically agree. Though for me it's hard to decide between cpm and q2 when it comes to ctf.

I heard that UT was really really good for CTF

Unreal Tournament was/is AMAZING shooter, but hated by Quakers.

Never played it (only UT99 Death Match), but searching for it on youtube ... yeah ... teleporting by throwing discuses!? Feels like a rip-off to the q2 grappling hook gameplay (I really do not plan on hating, but I guess as a quaker it comes naturally ^^)

UT99 was crap. IIRC you could run right through people like they weren't even there. How could the gameplay ever be quake level with those shitty physics? But it was fun to play every once in a while, but after a while you'd start to jones for some real gaming action and go back to quake.

i always say, ut99 was the superior single player game, but when internets came around it was all quake. has been quake ever since :>

UT CTF is pretty fun and I played it for a long time (still do sometimes), but its not as good as Quake CTF.

ql 1v1 = sf2turbo(fundamentally, balanced gameplay. generally not very exciting to watch)
cpm 1v1 = sf3 third strike(unorthodox. flips the game upside down. considered more shallow by sf2/sf4 zealot-scrubs. takes away some layers but adds others(which the zealots always ignore), makes for more exciting gameplay)





inb4 fighting game casuals attack this post

heres a couple of more videos

watch round 3




justin wong getting embarrassed in japan

i prefer q4 but q4 has the similar issues that ql has, so, whatever i do think this game could be better and i agree with some people that qw rules too :)

hnnnnnnnng
dat costume
dat final parry(3:45)

finally made an account. tired of not being able to edit my posts

(last fighting game video)

We wont play a better fps in our lifetime. After 15 years it still gives me joy like no other game.
Actually ....if you dont play quake in any form its not worth gaming at all

Best gameplay, sure. What a botchery of an implementation though.

q3 was perfect
ql is just like any other q3 clone.... it cant reach the original version.