ESR - Quake Live Updates - July 9-10, 2014

<< Comment #1 @ 15:53 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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A1RMAN

[_ Killbeep Sounds _]

<< Comment #2 @ 15:56 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Purge

Advanced scoreboard? You shittin' me right now? I bought Pro a few days ago partly to get that scoreboard. Pist as fuck.

Wait a minute... these game updates are pretty nice. :D

<< Comment #117 @ 13:34 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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dadS - Reply to #2

How do you get the scoreboard working. Had a subscription ages!

<< Comment #191 @ 02:18 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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kaboom - Reply to #2

you bought pro just to get scoreboard? rofl

<< Comment #194 @ 07:56 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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ihve - Reply to #191

He said partly. Learn. To. Read.

<< Comment #14 @ 16:33 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (67.91.27.19)

Too little too late. Rest in peace, quake and id software.

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<< Comment #79 @ 05:56 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #14

Anon strikes again.

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<< Comment #80 @ 06:03 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #79

ray will never be anon around here

<< Comment #82 @ 06:15 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #79

WE ARE THE LEGION

<< Comment #3 @ 16:04 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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ia

What cg_preferredStartingWeapon do people use? This is one of the things I've never bothered to change since q3, cause you can just pay attention to ammo, even though it's a glaring (but minor) problem. Always exciting to be low on ammo and autoswitch to the worst weapon ever for that situation.

Seems like it should kinda be dependent on what your current weapon is, not a single string, but that'd be overcomplicating things even more.

Edited by iawn at 16:06 CDT, 9 July 2014

<< Comment #7 @ 16:09 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #3

Best example is for CA. In any game mode where you spawn with multiple weapons, you can use cg_preferredStartingWeapons to choose which of the weapons you'll spawn with.

If you always want to spawn with the LG (if you have it on spawn), you could simply put: cg_preferredStartingWeapons "lg"

Or you could put an entire list of weapons and show the order you want, and it will fallback to the next weapon if you didn't have an lg: cg_preferredStartingWeapons "lg rl rg cg sg pg mg ng gl g pl"

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<< Comment #36 @ 19:08 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #3

I would advice RL since it's silent unlike lg or rail

<< Comment #41 @ 20:21 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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A1RMAN - Reply to #36

LG and echo "PUSH SUKA"

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<< Comment #74 @ 04:51 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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earth - Reply to #36

but your spawning will make noise anyway...and the cvar is only really for the first seconds of the game as after than you can switch yourself

<< Comment #127 @ 16:39 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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ia - Reply to #74

I haven't tested this, but I assumed it's also the order weapons will be selected when you run out of ammo. So rather than pg, rg, lg, based on availability, you could set rl lg rg sg, for instance.

<< Comment #146 @ 03:13 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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earth - Reply to #127

that would make a lot of sense if it's true, will give it a go

<< Comment #4 @ 16:05 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Venser

"Broadcast a power-up pickup chat message to inform you who picked up a freshly spawned power-up"

Is this for all game modes?

<< Comment #5 @ 16:05 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #4

Yes

<< Comment #6 @ 16:07 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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ia - Reply to #5

So basically the qw auto say_team binds? Sweet, these worked so well in qw pickups they got banned in the ruleset.

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<< Comment #11 @ 16:22 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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ihve - Reply to #6

qw is special

<< Comment #96 @ 08:12 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Åke Vader - Reply to #5

Stupid question, but does it show up for both teammates and enemies in a team game?

<< Comment #98 @ 08:34 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #96

Yes. Just like there is a global audio cue that lets you know that the power-up was picked-up, there is now a global chat message (much like the so-and-so got the flag chat message in CTF) that states who picked up the power-up. Really just saves you a bit of time from having to glance at your teamoverlay to determine if it was a teammate that got it.

<< Comment #118 @ 13:45 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Åke Vader - Reply to #98

Hm, at first i thought this was controversial but then i realised it is not, just like you say, that big of a change considering the team overlay is already standard.

In QW both the autoreporting feature (to teammates only) and team overlay are not allowed in competitions due to the whole aspect of relaying information to teammates getting lost. Makes it much easier to make certain decisions then (most obvious one being pre-shooting around corners).

Cool to see work going on in QL though :)

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<< Comment #8 @ 16:11 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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user38662

Great update, good job!

<< Comment #9 @ 16:20 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl

nice!

<< Comment #10 @ 16:22 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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ihve

FINALLY autocompletion for /abort.

YES!

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<< Comment #12 @ 16:24 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #10

:/

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<< Comment #13 @ 16:28 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #12

Will you be porting this game to tech 5 or not?

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<< Comment #55 @ 00:17 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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bobwinters - Reply to #13

This.

I doubt they will do tech 5 since games are still coming out with it. But it's CRAZY how they haven't ported QL to tech 4. QL is dying/died and they HAVE to do something. They should also put it on Steam.

I'm hoping they will announce QL to tech 4 at QuakeCon, but knowning ID, I'd be shit out of luck.

<< Comment #69 @ 03:37 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #55

5 or even idtech 6. It's stupid to go for old technology/engine AGAIN. I know that idtech 4 is not bad at all, but if you want to do something - do it right.

<< Comment #87 @ 07:03 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (23.95.119.197) - Reply to #69

QL's physics and amazing code, written, in the most important parts, by sir Carmack, John D., fits perfectly in what makes QL a QUAKE game. Anything else, be it with whatever 'bumpmapping 80 lvl' or any other whistles, shits and giggles - is just a useless bullcrap for the core essence of Quake.
Old tech? Mate, it works outstandingly good, runs on any machine and has been perfected through years of polishing.

Some people will never stop spilling nasal mucus of complainment, no matter what.
What's the point of disassembling a decades-united community with 'new version' of a perfect fps, which is hardcore to da bone as of now?

Mind our CPMA friends - a huge portion of Quake community was left behind in Q3 era, just because of 'new' and 'bumpmapped' Q4 decease (no matter how good Q4 is - it's still worse than Q3 in terms of pure arena fps).

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<< Comment #97 @ 08:15 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #87

So much ignorance in just one, little post. You clearly never ever worked on video game.

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<< Comment #106 @ 09:51 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #97

This. Wont even bother to answer that anon.

<< Comment #108 @ 10:38 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #97

Hes absolutely spot on, your the ignorant one.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #108

UR? UR? huehuehue

<< Comment #152 @ 06:03 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (89.187.145.24) - Reply to #97

wow... I can see lotsa 'workers on a videogame' here. pray enlighten us with YOUR ignor... wisdom.

<< Comment #155 @ 06:03 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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odellus - Reply to #97

explain plz

<< Comment #123 @ 14:47 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #87

Do you want companies to sponsor tourneys? (they won't with 1999 gfx)
Do you want casual gamers to play?( casual players like how games look, it's part of the fun)
Do you want the game to be successful at all? ( it's already dead... it's only going to get worse if thing don't change drastically)

One of the biggest mistakes anyone with a product can do is:

Listen to the most niche aspect of the community and base everything around them.
They've been doing this and it doesn't work.

Do you really think QL will last much longer without a major overhaul?

Edited by Gobotz at 14:52 CDT, 10 July 2014

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<< Comment #153 @ 06:03 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (78.46.51.124) - Reply to #123

Mate, no sponsoring can push a game into success, unless it's liked by the majority crowd of kids, and kids nowadays are mostly too fucking "casual" and have next to zero balls count.

"Do you want casual gamers to play?" - I wish they COULD play, but 99,99% will ragequit within the first few minutes of any Quake-like challenge, no matter how cool and bumpmapped it looks. Add realistic water, hairs, grass, bullet marks, but if a newbie's ass gets kicked over and over for a few minutes - he'll just quit and delete. And there's no end to these weakling habits through gaming-companies - it's a whole trend on a large general scale.

All QL needs now is a bit better matchmaking system, that will allow weak players to compete against other newbies, and push them (from time to time) into a tad bit more challenging tier, backing them down to lower tier withing 3-5 minutes of battle, in case their ass is teared apart fiercely and frustratingly.

A good investment into such MM-system, followed up by fresh, manly and stylish advertising (exactly like Joe Goss did it) will focus the searchlights on QL for the amount of time enough to inject armies of new blood into QL's servers. The hype and playercount will also convince major leagues for a test-return of Quake on their stages.

If that works - Quake as we know and love it (the best incarnation of outstandingly smart, brainpower-demanding fast-speed duel/team fps) will thrive once again.
Otherwise - ... will be otherwise.

<< Comment #154 @ 06:03 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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odellus - Reply to #123

ql is never going to be popular with anyone other than the people that are playing it right now. an engine update is pointless.

<< Comment #173 @ 20:48 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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amalik - Reply to #154

Disagreed.
You need to ATTRACT people to the game.
I'm 27 and I was first introduced to Quake back in 1998 with Quake2. Back then the graphics/engine were very impressive. The majority of Quake's remaining players are between 20-30 years old and grew up playing games when Quake was at it's peak.
Competitive FPS doesn't hook everyone, but before people will get attached to it, they need to play it once and enjoy it first.
If you want to attract newer players, you'll need some eye candy first. 'SUPER DIFFICULT, HIGH SKILL CURVE COMPETITIVE FPS' does not sound like everyone's cup of tea initially. But if you give them the chance to enjoy the game's overall experience, you might end up converting them.

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<< Comment #176 @ 07:18 CDT, 12 July 2014 >>

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doped - Reply to #173

no u wont, why did UT3 not take crown? it had good graphics, lots of marketing etc? because it sucked. maybe lots of ppl new to it bought it and they had that initial income, but no one stayed.

QL was an amazing move from id, they made money from such and old game again, and they surely attracted new players, lots of ql players NEVER played q3. so u are dead wrong.

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<< Comment #178 @ 09:14 CDT, 12 July 2014 >>

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amalik - Reply to #176

I never said graphics were ALL you needed.
Truth, that was a shocking, shit shit game.
But if they gave QL a makeover and remarketed it a little bit, you can't deny that would attract new users. A certain percentage of which would stay on to become competitive players.

<< Comment #184 @ 02:16 CDT, 14 July 2014 >>

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doped - Reply to #178

wasted resources. Make the game as good as they can now. Players who are gonna stay, will not care about graphics anyway, what players who were attracted by graphics, would never stay. It's not 1999 anymore, more time used on fancy effects will do NOTHING for a game like quake.

I think it's more a question of YOU wanting better graphics, well, go play another game.

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<< Comment #186 @ 03:15 CDT, 14 July 2014 >>

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amalik - Reply to #184

lol, this guy.

<< Comment #187 @ 10:42 CDT, 14 July 2014 >>

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doped - Reply to #186

because im right?

<< Comment #192 @ 03:19 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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amalik - Reply to #187

... not exactly.

<< Comment #193 @ 07:44 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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odellus - Reply to #184

don't worry, you are right. these other guys are dumb.

<< Comment #115 @ 12:39 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #55

Porting the game, be it to id tech 4 or 5, would be equivalent to making a whole new game in these engines. That usually takes years with tens of developers. I don't think that's realistic for QL. But there might be a Quake V one day, if you're willing to wait. (Doom first, then maybe Rage 2?)

<< Comment #121 @ 14:43 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #115

no... ill be switching to UT... which seems to be moving along quickly. Not sure where you get this takes yrs figure.

<< Comment #133 @ 19:04 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #121

Because its easier to make something from scratch (UT), than porting to a different engine (id tech 4,5)

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FlashSoul - Reply to #121

Compare with the development time of other id tech 4/5 games.

<< Comment #168 @ 15:57 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #166

yeah... id takes 10 yrs to make a game lol...

ut4 will probably be gold by mid summer 2015.

<< Comment #170 @ 16:34 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #168

id is extremely slow indeed. That said, it's not just them. Big games take a long time and cost a lot to develop across the whole industry. Except maybe for some indie titles for which developers starve and overwork before it's released.
The closest example we could get to a QL in id tech 4 or 5 would probably be Q4, which had a budget of $15,000,000 and was made in around 4 years by Raven. QL might not need a singleplayer but I don't think there would be any less models or maps (or work) than if there was.

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Gobotz - Reply to #170

With an actual team it wouldn't take that long. 2 yrs max.

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FlashSoul - Reply to #171

What does "actual team" mean and what do you base this 2 years figure on? (it might be correct but it looks pulled out of nowhere)

<< Comment #189 @ 16:44 CDT, 14 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #172

10 -15 people working actual 40 hr weeks.

Based on my experience modeling and map making.... and seeing how fast mod makers put out full games.
And considering a game like QL is super simplistic compared to any single player fps/ or most other games.

The majority of the work is already done.
Game design/ concept. Done.
Map/item layout testing.... done.
Character design.... 90% done
coding 90% done.

Basically everything is already done except for updating the actual look of the game... and whatever code needs to be written to hook/wrap their shitty browser into tech 5.

The maps should be able to be imported into tech 5 (bsp) which means the overall layout is basically done. Just have to pretty it up with meshes and textures.

Characters would have to be modeled/textured animated from scratch... but they dont have to sit around brain storming on what each player model will look like. A simple game like this... most animations can be copy pasted from model to model with slight tweaks for each. they already have shit tons of animation sequences from rage and doom 4 to recycle.

Update weapon models
update special fx, particles ect ect
website would really only have to be updated with new screen shots from in game.

if that actually took them more than 2 yrs... theres something wrong.

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Anonymous (109.168.116.238) - Reply to #189

We've got an experienced gamedev professional speaking here.

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Gobotz - Reply to #197

As much experience as anyone working on QL :D

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Anonymous (65.91.236.2) - Reply to #198

lol @ u

<< Comment #209 @ 17:50 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #172

Also their original plans for ql included an upgrade to tech5...provided the game was successful.
There was talk of clan jerseys/logos... also assuming clan logos on ctf flags ctf map wall banners ect ect.

That's the kind of stuff they need for pro subs.

theres a bunch of cool shit they could do if they would stop letting people dumb the gfx down.

<< Comment #167 @ 15:13 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #121

UT3 bombed. Prepare for UT4 to be another failure.

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Gobotz - Reply to #167

probably.. lol... it'll be populated for a while though.

if they can come up with a good way to move from point a to point b in a fluid manor that doesn't rel;y on the clunky dodge... i think it would help a bit.

Edited by Gobotz at 16:00 CDT, 11 July 2014

<< Comment #68 @ 03:14 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #13

That would require shitload of monies - to update game content so it could really benefit from new tech (extra materials/models/animations/etc).

<< Comment #19 @ 17:01 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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ihve - Reply to #12

dude it's just a joke! thanks for the update as usual :)
i really appreciate the tab completion. especially for /pause etc.

the new team features are really nice and the q3 chairs are a nice touch.

we're all excited for big Qcon announcements!!

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<< Comment #15 @ 16:33 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Zulu4

Vidéo of thé changes on arcame Citadel please

<< Comment #16 @ 16:48 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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ischju

Can anyone make Screens of the Q3 chairs? Pretty please!

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blau - Reply to #16

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Edited by blau at 17:22 CDT, 9 July 2014

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<< Comment #53 @ 00:08 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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sofiene - Reply to #24

arent those already in the crosshair list ? cause ive been using some of them for ages O.o

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skulp - Reply to #53

look closely, they are not exactly the same. maybe your res is really low so the border black lines (from the QL ones) don't show up

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ischju - Reply to #24

the third is awesome! gonna try that baby.. used use it with shaft for a very long time.

<< Comment #17 @ 16:48 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Ephemix

Blood Run - Fixed clipping at YA ad

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Edited by Ephemix at 16:48 CDT, 9 July 2014

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<< Comment #75 @ 05:00 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Linkyyy - Reply to #17

What is this?

<< Comment #77 @ 05:35 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Ephemix - Reply to #75

Before this magical fix, when you tried to rocket jump from bottom YA to SG on bloodrun, some weird clipping would stop you and make you fall down again.

<< Comment #78 @ 05:37 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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light - Reply to #75

You were probably able to see through a wall(not necessarily see anything that would give an advantage, fixing clipping usually means this is fixed so the player can no longer look through the wall at a certain place.

<< Comment #92 @ 07:43 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Pawulon - Reply to #78

Clipping is more about physics and how objects react with environment than straight visuals.

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<< Comment #177 @ 07:39 CDT, 12 July 2014 >>

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doped - Reply to #78

that does more count as a straight up brush fix, clipping usually refers to invisible clipping, as ppl already said :)

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ollir - Reply to #75

Everyone's favourite rj stopper

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<< Comment #113 @ 12:26 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #17

finally. this was stopping me from reaching 2400 elo

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<< Comment #129 @ 17:16 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #113

Only? Just rename to lay9 and insta 2450.

<< Comment #18 @ 16:56 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Shin-obi

reflex better not have these scrubby features(autotext, see teammate through walls, health indicators, etc)
you hear me, newborn.
you HEAR ME?

enjoy your update, esr.

edit2: i don't mind these overlays/wallhacks for spectator mode or scrub modes like ca, they don't belong in a mode like tdm tho.

Edited by Shin-obi at 02:30 CDT, 10 July 2014

<< Comment #20 @ 17:07 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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winz - Reply to #18

Any CPMA clone wannabe will be unsuccessful regardless of the features it has.

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megaman3 - Reply to #20

Any Q3 clone wannabe will be unsuccessful regardless of the features it has.

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<< Comment #28 @ 17:49 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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winz - Reply to #22

I agree.

<< Comment #46 @ 21:06 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #28

You played UT half your life tho, not exactly in a position to argue this

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winz - Reply to #46

Half my life, lol

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goodbye_world - Reply to #48

HL3 confirmed.

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<< Comment #124 @ 14:49 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #48

was watching ut2k4 vids on youtube of you.

good stuff!

<< Comment #37 @ 19:46 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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goodbye_world - Reply to #20

You're both right. Reflex will amount to nothing and Quake Live didn't need a built-in wallhack. As per usual with update threads, I'll post my mandatory "Fuck off, id Software" and be done. Good day, gentlemen.

<< Comment #40 @ 20:01 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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SIHdW3W - Reply to #20

mind a further explanation?

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winz - Reply to #40

Who will play it on the long run besides the CPMA players? It's just not a gameplay casual people like.

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<< Comment #50 @ 21:50 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Shin-obi - Reply to #49

noobs would hopefully start off on grapplehook modes(ictf/ctf/ffa/ca/insta to start. tdm and 1v1 should always be grapplefree ;p)
if done right, it could be a bigger success with casuals than quakelive ever was.

here's a mouthbreathing casual getting owned in xonotic grapple ictf and enjoying it.

another suggestion for ya, newborn
bring back the grapple fucking hook

Edited by Shin-obi at 22:24 CDT, 9 July 2014

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Anonymous (63.233.211.4) - Reply to #50

petabytes of shitty VODs are polluting teh internets

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<< Comment #58 @ 01:16 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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anvi - Reply to #50

Wait a minute, Xonotic has ponies?

*installs the game*

<< Comment #62 @ 01:47 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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SIHdW3W - Reply to #49

casuals don't even know about it

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<< Comment #63 @ 01:59 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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winz - Reply to #62

Not wrong in that particular case.

Many casuals heard about QL at one point or another though and most of them did not keep playing.
CPMA is just an even more hardcore and brutal version of what QL is to a casual.

Had they known, they still wouldn't be playing it imo.

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SIHdW3W - Reply to #63

of course not, to catch up you have to play against veterans but i saw some guys who would just play each other not even knowing about strafejumping (they did develop other movement techniques first) and they liked it. No reason to play a dead game tho, they stopped when they were starting to get good. No quake game has been designed for newbies to understand the game step by step, it's always the community who takes care of that if the newbie gets lucky enough to find someone who's willing to teach him stuff.

CPMA/Q3 wannabe clones aren't popular because all their models are outdated or they are plain bad, who uses irc to arrange matches anyway? Where are the tutorials for the shitload of meta game there is behind the pew pew part? I must be one of the few quakers who think gameplay isn't the bigger factor of why these games aren't popular...

P.S.: I'm alpha testing reflex and I'd say newborn and his team are doing a great job so far; he did not wake up one morning and thought: i'm gonna make a game. He's been designing the game for quite a while as he mentioned on chats.

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<< Comment #72 @ 03:45 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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winz - Reply to #66

I agree with most of the stuff you said.

QL is missing key features (matchmaking with a ladder, proper tutorial videos for such a complex game and so on) to keep newcomers interested.

Gameplay is a still a significant factor in my opinion. This has been said countless times already but casuals will always find more satisfaction in their first play of BF/COD through the easy kills they get by hitting 2 bullets on whoever than they ever will on Quake. It's sadly how things are.

I never said reflex devs are doing a bad job but I can't see this game being successful at any point. They don't have the resources for proper marketing and it won't go anywhere without that.
Chances are, it will end up being a Warsow/Xonotic with its 17players and that's it.
I put Nex, Deft Grinders, Warxon, Rekt and all the others I'm forgetting in that same category.

Reborn has bigger chances at doing well in my opinion because it's 2gd doing it and he has connections within the e-sports industry that will help the game get out there.

UT could also do ok just because it's coming from a well known studio. They just have to do things right (which I doubt they will on many aspects but they seem to take suggestions fairly seriously so far so wait and see)

I would like to be wrong and see any of them do very well and have a huge scene, I just don't see it happening.

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<< Comment #73 @ 04:05 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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SIHdW3W - Reply to #72

Only time will let us know. I have no expectations but I have hopes that Reflex will get played.

Nice to have a tiny chat with someone who's willing to give arguments and so on.

<< Comment #150 @ 04:22 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (89.187.145.24) - Reply to #72

It's an era of casual non-challenging gaming now, for all the new blood introduced into competitive scene, be it multiplayer or singleplayer. You can't make a hardcore self-discipline-demanding challenge attractive to a kid, grown with minecraft, bf, sims, wot, etc...
Especially in countries with enforced juvenile justice, where kids are pretty much rewarded for being egoistic or going apeshit for littlest reason or no reason at all. Those kids have no clue what self-improvement is, they haven't felt the satisfaction of beating an obstacle high enough to cause a lot of frustration at first, which is then flushed with a torrent of endorphines at the end of the day - the feeling of a champion well-earned.

It's not like those games I've mentioned are bad, it's just that kids are getting used to easy and diluted stuff (in terms of challenge, ofc), which has flooded the gaming industry since 2003-2005, and games nowadays are quite a huge factor in development of core structures of the younglings.

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<< Comment #175 @ 01:03 CDT, 12 July 2014 >>

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winz - Reply to #150

I agree.

<< Comment #21 @ 17:12 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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function9

For the nostalgic ones, re-added the original Q3 crosshairs: 20-29. Cause there was really no reason to get rid of them in the first place.

Fixed.

<< Comment #23 @ 17:18 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #21

Same goes for hud and related elements. They should be at least an option.

But it's been 6-7 years already to get the crosshairs. Maybe in 10 more we'll get the hud Kappa

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<< Comment #61 @ 01:47 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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steffo - Reply to #23

qlhud.net ?

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<< Comment #119 @ 14:10 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #61

If it's not in the game then it doesn't exist.

This sentence is applicable so many stuff the vast majority of players are missing, including those that already left the game and didn't notice them.

<< Comment #25 @ 17:22 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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wrong person

arcane citadel became very interesting once again: w/ 1 pu ; still w/o rail and w/ 2nd rl

<< Comment #26 @ 17:25 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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orrrcccus

cg_drawcrosshair 22 = Cypher's old custom crosshair :).

<< Comment #27 @ 17:41 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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0x5f3759df

For the nostalgic ones, added the original Q3 crosshairs: 20-29

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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<< Comment #30 @ 18:02 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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jizzle

source link is broken.. missing the ':' after http

should be: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?37265

<< Comment #29 @ 17:57 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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abso

on some xhairs i get 2 crosshairs for some reason... anyone got same issue?

http://imgur.com/8p4uzfc

Edited by abso at 18:06 CDT, 9 July 2014

<< Comment #32 @ 18:22 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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pvh - Reply to #29

Are you using a custom hud that has crosshairs with a cvartest that overlaps with the new crosshair numbers?

<< Comment #34 @ 18:35 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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abso - Reply to #32

i use custom hud but it doesnt have any crosshair in it

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palatka - Reply to #34

it does

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<< Comment #31 @ 18:03 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

Nice changes

<< Comment #33 @ 18:23 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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jamalz

why not make at least 1 of those premuim modes free and rotate them already? wtf? Harvester/domination etc... such a waste

<< Comment #35 @ 18:43 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #33

We just recently made where Pro subscribers can launch servers of any game type (and any map) for Standard uses to join.

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<< Comment #38 @ 19:48 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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Lakitu

Awesome!

<< Comment #39 @ 19:58 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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melechesh '

small frequent updates like this keep the game healthy. hope for another one next month :p

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<< Comment #42 @ 20:34 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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baksteen

'X has joined the spectators' message pops up even when the game has started. Quite anoying in duel.

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<< Comment #43 @ 20:41 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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kodisha - Reply to #42

+1

<< Comment #44 @ 20:43 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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kodisha - Reply to #42

Also, i was spectating for 20 minutes, and i was trying so hard to see that color change in triangles, only to figure out that you see them only when you play...

<< Comment #45 @ 20:44 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #42

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...post297343

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<< Comment #47 @ 21:12 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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solobeNNN

i like all the changes but what i love is cg_drawcrosshair 22 = cyphers custom one he use to use, looks almost exactly like it #lgtime

<< Comment #52 @ 22:22 CDT, 9 July 2014 >>

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ObiousAlias

Thank you for the rate change for cl_maxpackets to the maximum
It would be best if you forced rate 25000 as well

Nobody has an internet connection that will differer between 16k and 25k

<< Comment #54 @ 00:15 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Venser

The cancellation of premium, price cut on pro, premium features moving to standard accounts, the ability of pro subscribers to launch servers of any game type and any map for standard uses to join and forced bright models no longer being default...all of this kinda hints they will be transitioning to microtransaction model. I bet that's the QuakeCon announcement.

Harosh killbeep, DAAAA winning match buzzer, female announcer, new weapon skins and models...could be cool

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<< Comment #56 @ 00:27 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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aeoL - Reply to #54

Need a new Cooller skin and bot that controls the map.

<< Comment #88 @ 07:03 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.212.108.13) - Reply to #54

female announcer? Quake is a manly game and needs no oestrogen. Don't pussy it down with female stuff.

Q3 arbiter was an amazing badass, QL's has quite a mighty voice too. It's vadrigar arenas, ffs:))!

<< Comment #156 @ 06:03 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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odellus - Reply to #88

sexy female announcer in ut made the game more manly than anything else could, wtf you talking about

<< Comment #105 @ 09:41 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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M1zzu - Reply to #54

+Steam workshop +weapon skins +model skins +map skins +custom hit & killbeeps

Edited by M1zzu at 09:41 CDT, 10 July 2014

<< Comment #59 @ 01:22 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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sky101

why's everyone got a boner for the Q3 crosshairs?

and what's the difference between 21 and 27?

<< Comment #71 @ 03:43 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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corvu - Reply to #59

I'm not sure, but i believe 27 is transparent.

<< Comment #64 @ 02:05 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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lat-is-davis

i've never been standard so i never knew.. but you couldn't force enemy model as a freebie player?

huheuH

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<< Comment #67 @ 03:09 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #64

i think you could choose one of the variants(like green keel, tankjr, etc), but couldnt customize it

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doped - Reply to #67

wrong

<< Comment #93 @ 07:45 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Pawulon - Reply to #64

I am not sure, but on premium you could force just the skin, so if opponent had doom as model, you could force eg. sport skin, so he would appear as doom/sport.

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<< Comment #114 @ 12:30 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #93

You are correct.

<< Comment #65 @ 02:17 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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CMSS

Blood Run - Fixed clipping at YA ad

Is this when you rj up from YA up to sg area?

<< Comment #83 @ 06:35 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #65

yep.

<< Comment #116 @ 13:07 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Whipas - Reply to #65

Starting a pracc game and testing that urself would have been a lot faster.
Cant rj that shigh? (

<< Comment #76 @ 05:16 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (79.191.243.39)

delete chat messages when someone coming online/offline.

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<< Comment #109 @ 10:42 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #76

THIS WE NEED

<< Comment #126 @ 15:43 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Venser - Reply to #76

Can't believe this hasn't been done yet.
Make it so we can toggle it on and off individually in the friendlist.

<< Comment #70 @ 03:39 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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JDub

Seems strange to disable bright skins - the people that wont notice it are newbies who wont know what it is or how to turn it on, putting them at even more of a disadvantage.

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<< Comment #81 @ 06:07 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #70

Quake Live - the game where you shoot green robot
0/10

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<< Comment #84 @ 06:59 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #81

God, this is so brilliant that it hurts!

<< Comment #86 @ 07:03 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (83.204.177.85)

the crosshairs are bugged...

<< Comment #85 @ 07:01 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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mdv

some of the crosshairs are still lowres, how about reworking them instead of adding the same lowres crosses again.

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<< Comment #89 @ 07:05 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Snow_Crash - Reply to #85

thats exactly the point they have no borders and are sortof blurred

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<< Comment #120 @ 14:11 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #89

They should do both measures.

Overdue since 2008.

<< Comment #94 @ 07:52 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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CMSS

Really annoying when in a duel game and a message keeps coming up saying somebody join spectators, and even people in spec see the message

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<< Comment #95 @ 08:11 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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SIHdW3W

can't believe you guys are paying for this

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<< Comment #102 @ 09:04 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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palatka - Reply to #95

HAHA

<< Comment #134 @ 19:07 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #95

Can believe you only post shit

<< Comment #135 @ 19:18 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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SIHdW3W - Reply to #134

sorry my pc is broken and i'm killing time trolling esr from laptop

<< Comment #164 @ 11:16 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #135

:D

<< Comment #99 @ 08:39 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Whipas

Finally fix'd the annoying clip at the ad.

<< Comment #100 @ 08:39 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki

Linux?

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<< Comment #143 @ 02:54 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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mdv - Reply to #100

http://www.warsow.net/

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #143

www.alwaysemptyservers.com

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #144

www.thatsapartoffun.not

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<< Comment #151 @ 05:06 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #149

that's why I hope ut4 will take off hard.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #151

*presses double D to eject from thread*

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<< Comment #159 @ 09:42 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #158

Yes, there are OTHER games than Quake3Arena and we have 2014, not 1999 anymore :)

<< Comment #160 @ 09:59 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #159

My dad works at Nintendo and I asked him if double tap to dodge is a good mechanich.
He said no (in japanese of course)

<< Comment #165 @ 12:30 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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MajkiFajki - Reply to #160

C'mon - ut is more than dodging. And dodging wasn't in all UTs.

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Lorfa ' - Reply to #160

He works at Nintendo for real? In what capacity?

<< Comment #202 @ 00:28 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #201

I lied in order to make UT seem like worse game than it is... :<

<< Comment #101 @ 08:48 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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ouze

again no anticheat zzzzz ......

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<< Comment #104 @ 09:30 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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u3a6

Blood Run - Fixed clipping at YA ad

Kreygasm

<< Comment #107 @ 10:10 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Weird '

All clients will now use cl_maxpackets 125.

OMFG! The first sane improvement regarding netcode since the start of quakelive!

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<< Comment #110 @ 10:44 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #107

\o/

<< Comment #128 @ 17:08 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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palatka - Reply to #107

can u give me one legitmate reason why it took 5 years to implent this? there must be something

<< Comment #130 @ 17:20 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #128

Hmmmm.... lemme take 5 years to think about that....
For the meantime... let's say....
NO.

well.... tbh it would take more bandwidth for their servers, and as you know bandwidth is one of the most expensive things about server hosting.
But seeing how 'most users' already used 125.... and it was optional to start with... I don't really think that that would be a valid argument.

<< Comment #174 @ 21:03 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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puritan ' - Reply to #107

Hoping for forced rate @ 25k after the next update.

<< Comment #111 @ 10:59 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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00010001

crosshairs Kreygasm

<< Comment #112 @ 11:57 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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kenZu

So much void in there....

When I see the thread about the improvements that should happen in QL, that's pretty sad.

There are som many tiny features that would require 1day dev to implement.

But you educated well you customers, since they have boner to see q3 crosshair back

OMG BEST UPDATE EVER 20YR OLDS CROSSHAIERZ!!1

<< Comment #122 @ 14:46 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Gazz12

you cant see the medals impressive, excellent and humiliation when speccing someone

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<< Comment #125 @ 15:39 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Venser - Reply to #122

what?

<< Comment #131 @ 17:26 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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SyncError

Updated again, added today's notes to this post.

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<< Comment #132 @ 19:02 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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higgs

gg arcane =/

<< Comment #136 @ 19:31 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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sky101

CPMA grenades?

<< Comment #157 @ 06:15 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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lokaria - Reply to #136

THIS!!!!! FFS!!

<< Comment #137 @ 19:38 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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megaman3

Since it seems you are fixing some stuff will any of the following three ever be fixed, all that have been reported several times since 2008?

1. Adding an option to disable friend list messages in-game. Here there are two possible ways, hopefully both that will be added as different options: one is a command to disable the friends going online/offline message, the other being to able to disable the whole friend list aspect of QL, for whichever reason (no annoyances at all, simpler game, better performance).

2. That demos are always recorded when using the always record option. Every year and every event there's at least one crucial demo lost forever. Patch notes state this has been solved -many times may I add-, but it hasn't.
On a related note, it'd be nice that quakecon demos are made public, for fragmovies and whatnot. Why isn't this always the case?

3. The vertical sound bug. As basic as it may sound, right now positional sound in QL is in such state that there's no certainty between where the opponent is, vertically. Take dm6's bridge for example, in which the opponent sounds both below and above it.
This bug was not present in 1999 Q3 but is in 2014 QL, which seems it uses the exact same tech (no improvements from 1999).
Considering the recent patches are "the quakecon patch", namely the big one of the whole year and also somewhat competition focused, we have seen this problem affect many tournaments and certainly will affect this year's quakecon. Furthermore I hope solving this problem isn't delayed for yet another year, if not forever.
BTW I'm not asking for 7.1, dolby headphone support or anything fancier above past millennium stereo sound. Just asking for a good implementation of it while solving what can be considered a major bug.

That there aren't that many recent complains about those three is because we just lost hope that they''ll ever be fixed. Same goes about lan support, better textures/sprites, ra3 and many other requests. Finally, if it sounds as you have read this in the past it's because they haven't been solved, in 6 years and counting.

edit: and of course, I practically assume the "harosh" killbeep is coming in the patch to be announced at the event, whether free or paid.

Edited by megaman3 at 20:08 CDT, 10 July 2014

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SyncError - Reply to #137

1. I don't have any real desire to disable messages from friends. I would like to see the "x is now online" messages removed or optionally removed.

2. Currently it is the case that demos not properly named still get generated (or should) with a default naming scheme rather than the player-timestamped naming scheme. The essentially problem hasn't been determined, but I will investigate further into the matter to see if this can be fully resolved.

3. There is no vertical sound bug. There was never positional sound in Quake 3. The idtech 3 sound system out only supports left and right.

<< Comment #139 @ 20:27 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #138

About the third point,
- I don't remember this problem happening in Q3, though I may be wrong about this or was improved on in some mod.
- Since this is 2014, isn't it high time to support up and down sound? I mean this isn't asking much, right?

<< Comment #140 @ 20:39 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #139

- OSP had somewhat different sound positioning
- engine limitations

<< Comment #141 @ 20:46 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #138

Can i have my money back?
I payed $21 for 3 months of pro
A week later you drop the price to $11..99.....
And all the other stuff i payed for you're now giving away for free.

Seriously.

<< Comment #147 @ 03:44 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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mdv - Reply to #138

problem is if you see a white text in the chat area, you going to focus on that, but most of the cases its pointless to focus on it. maybe if it would have a little icon, or other color.

maybe the updates should be about the players desire, not yours...? it would be optional of couse, if the game would have proper steaworks support. i dont really feel the right direction in the updates.

<< Comment #142 @ 22:12 CDT, 10 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (222.152.242.212)

Out of interest is there a reason grapple wont be allowed in private servers?
Is there a reason why we cant have ra3 que system in small ca matches?

<< Comment #161 @ 10:40 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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SmackGyver

great update.

to make the game fair, it is necessary that all users have access to the same ingame-cfg-options.
i haven't checked if the triangles still change to useless information like impressives/... but so far i love the overworked teamstatus indicators.
although i already am used to the black borders, the scaling of the q3-xhairs simply owns.

i hope stinkerror and spongebob keep up the good work.

<< Comment #162 @ 10:55 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #161

Thanks?

<< Comment #163 @ 11:14 CDT, 11 July 2014 >>

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SmackGyver - Reply to #162

thanks a lot!

<< Comment #179 @ 10:57 CDT, 12 July 2014 >>

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Brainie

I just love how you manage this game guys. It really feels good to be able to trust the people who make the game you enjoy.

<< Comment #180 @ 13:02 CDT, 12 July 2014 >>

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gl00my

Old crosshairs dosent really work ,tried alot of different gfx settings cause i prefer them but na ,to unsharp or something. They didnt look like that in the good old days. Also picmip on the weapon models and weapon effects would be cool :)

<< Comment #185 @ 02:22 CDT, 14 July 2014 >>

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doped - Reply to #180

yes they did, go check urself. That's why we wanted them to begin with.

<< Comment #188 @ 12:11 CDT, 14 July 2014 >>

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gl00my - Reply to #185

Mayby they did but ql looks diffferent then q3 so im not satisfied :( Might be that im not on a crt nowdays tho

<< Comment #190 @ 23:02 CDT, 14 July 2014 >>

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function9 - Reply to #188

http://i.imgur.com/bzKGpNc.jpg

Looks good to me. I have noticed there's certain shades of certain colors that will leave the q3 xhairs with blurry edges (for eg, xhair 22, size 40+, color 15).

<< Comment #204 @ 07:30 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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doped - Reply to #188

play with ql xhairs? we wanted blurry q3 crosshairs with no borders, we got 'em, we're(I am) very happy :)

<< Comment #181 @ 14:47 CDT, 12 July 2014 >>

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mi

Is there one more ninja-update, lower shotgun spread?

<< Comment #182 @ 05:06 CDT, 13 July 2014 >>

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nemecel

And we still can't turn off the annoying ass "Friend X joined" and ingame messages when they talk you on the friend thing, so now I will have to watch all the friends from the broadcasters connecting and disconnecting and chatting with them while in game. Fucking ridiculous. Fuck off and die id.

<< Comment #183 @ 07:29 CDT, 13 July 2014 >>

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ihve - Reply to #182

Someone has anger issues

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<< Comment #207 @ 13:23 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #183

It's objectively ok to want to kill id software because they haven't fixed this.

<< Comment #195 @ 08:25 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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CENEk

So can anyone tell me how/why this is happening? Happens on some of the old q3 crosshairs. 22, 24 and some others. Can't really tell wtf is causing this :()

Edited by CENEk at 08:26 CDT, 15 July 2014

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kenZu - Reply to #195

custom hud ?

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<< Comment #199 @ 15:57 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #196

Yes, but no custom crosshair. Will investigate!

<< Comment #203 @ 07:03 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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Something - Reply to #199

It will be a custom crosshair within one of the .menu files your loading through your .cfg hudfile.

open each .menu hud file

ctrl+f "cg_drawcrosshair"

delete the lines relating to test cvar and its value (most folks put comments in their .menu files, so you could probably find and get rid of it that way. Make sure if you delete any "{ }" that it is done in pairs, as ql will not parse it properly when loading it.)

Or, if you still can't fix it, post it on qlhud.net or im me with it and I'll fix it for you. Will take 30 sec or so.

Edit:

Just do a sanity check on your cg_weaponconfig's cvars while you're at it.

Edited by Something at 07:04 CDT, 16 July 2014

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<< Comment #206 @ 09:29 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #203

Yeah I found it, love ch 22 now! Thanks =)

<< Comment #205 @ 07:31 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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doped - Reply to #195

inb4 they add bitmap for multiple cg_drawcrosshair ;)

Edited by doped at 07:31 CDT, 16 July 2014

<< Comment #208 @ 13:23 CDT, 16 July 2014 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #195

gay ass crosshair