serious is a cheating cunt. tox played with a joystick. It is known.

hi turk

Oh. Was it Denmark and not Serbia that was under the Ottoman Empire and heavily influenced by their rule? I forgot.

and u wanna send this guy to qcon? LOL

nah well, toxjq is like god-like at duel aim-wise. Also his dodges are spot on. And he's a pretty smart player aswell. He's good. Period.


but idoser has more than 80% lg usage lol. And he practice A LOT against me :). He beat already well known good CA players. Only a few CA players can beat him in lg vs lg.
He's only 16-17 years old lol. Just imagine in 2-3 years how his lg will be god-like :). He did NOT play q3...

Wat, when I talked to him I thought he was like more than 25 years old :D but now it makes sense actually xD

Tunderstrak CA 1v1 lg means anything. LOL

LOL @ ur comments

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Made my day... ty

It hurts me just watching this :'(

I call trigger

Nothing new, back when I played 2v2 with idoser vs tox and I can't remember who else, he was also outlging him hard back then... it's CA though.

heartless doesn't get it into his small brain that ca lg, especially on thunderstruck has different rules than in duel.

but actually a lot of duelers are good at CA.

k1llsen, strenx, spart1e, stermy and so on...

ofc it's not the same, but still there're similarities.

they aren't really good at CA, they all have strong aim but they don't know how to play it :)

they are :)

have you actually seen k1llsen's ca gameplay?

I belive he hasn't.

explain to me if you disagree :D

ty ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO_XVacSQuY&t=2m10s

Watch from there and that's not exclusive to that video.

Most European players play public ca that way. That's why the only place I can calmly play public ca is in Poland. You have 2-3 rounds to get your shit together and come to the established meeting point and fight with everyone else. Otherwise you get an instant kick.

Btw why in Wolfcam I can't get the same hitbeep? :(

i think that's the default one so i'm not sure

it makes me lol everytime i hear someone say k1llsen is the best ca'er. all he does is play ffa/last man standing, effectively making it harder for his team to win. getting killed round after round is no big deal in CA, as long as it leads to a round win, and map win in the end.
but hey, that means ur personal score will be lower, its only lolca right!?

except his win rate is >80%?

why dont you go rj in his face when he sits somewhere hidden and hits 100% shaft? :P

hes still boring to play with+against, same as anyone that takes zero risks.

ive got loads of demos where we win vs him
he just doesnt come to meet points etc.
very flashy style but loses when playing with good players

and anyways, I can still rape idoser777 :)

Being good at ca =/ winning lg duel

This time you got me gg :'''

People care way too much about CA 1v1 LG on Thunderstruck. For duel it's almost worthless practice, and even for normal team CA games it's only a small part of the game.

I love the players that can pretty much out-LG 99% of all quakers in 1v1 on thunderstruck, but get raped in normal CA games because they have the brain capacity, decision making and teamwork of a turd.

1v1 lg is different that ca lg which is different than duel lg
1v1 lg is about dodging and reading them a lot

CA lg is more your natural ability to aim. Some players who are good at that are not necessarily good at 1v1 lg, like kgb.
Duel lg is more about just spamming and laming them when they have the wrong weapon out or just spawned

this isn't surprising, tox's 1v1 lg never looked that special to me
he positions onto people in duel very well, but i'd hope so after playing quake for over 10 years

tox's 1v1 lg never looked very special to me

well, he was probably as good as strenx at lg duel. And strenx is very good at CA.
So toxjq must be good with lg :D

some solid screenshot skills there

idoser cfg any?

The obvious truth is this... we tend to place individuals in a best to worst order but reality is not this simple. If you randomly mixed up brackets in a tournament it's possible you will end up with a different winner. The reason is that people preform differently against different players. If for example rapha normally beats strenx but strenx normally beats cypher what does it really mean? It means that rapha plays well against strenx's style and strenx plays well against cypher's style. Nothing more nothing less.

if he zoom lged than this doesn't mean jack SHIT
plz remove zoom(sub fov 90 and equivalent in 16-9 and 16-10) in future esports titles. kthxbai

Hi Retribution o/

tox got ZOOMNUDGED

http://i61.tinypic.com/2ltgrm.png

This thread is redicilous.

Anyone can have a bad day and lose, so what. When things come around, it's about incorporate your aim into duel, and i would love to yet see someone that does that as well as Tox (there is no one that has the same aim potential, raw aim in duel. Too bad Tox is too defensive)

Anyone can have a bad day and lose, so what.

same can apply to idoser ;)








and after watching your screenshot, it's obvious that tox played the same way as he plays duel. The map is sinister, i'm 95% sure that tox played more defensive and tactical, and idoser is much weaker when it comes to tactical play. Like i said, ido got really strong aim with lg, but his playstyle almost only consist of mindless +forward :), so when you start to +back and hide, then it's pretty easy to beat him. But in a 1v1 lg situation with equal positioning and same stack, then it's different, he's much harder to win :).

So, your screenshot proves something obvious : idoser isn't as good when you have to play smart @ duel maps.

> So, your screenshot proves something obvious : idoser isn't as good when you have to play smart @ duel maps.

Like you. Just aim, no brain.
:-)

And that's exactly the point: thunderstruck 1v1 CA LG is absolutely useless. And I'm not just talking for duel, but also for regular team CA.

It's very rare in duel and team CA that fights with 'equal position and same stack' happen (without outside influence from other players, etc.). And that's why I mentioned above that I know of many players that would rape me (or many others) in 1v1 LG thunderstruck, but then ragequit in regular CA/Duel. You can easily compensate 5% LG acc difference with smart/tactical play, positioning, timing, map knowledge...

That's why it doesnt matter if your 1v1 CA LG Thunderstruck aim is 45% or 40%, etc.

But in 1v1 CA LG Thunderstruck, if you have 5% more than your opponent, you'll win 10-0.

you could say the same for eyetoeye. But look at hal and stermy, they played A LOT of eyetoeye 1v1 lg and they won the last nation cup CA 4v4... Thunderstruck all weapons or even lg only play almost the same as clan war 4v4 CA, because when you play in an organized CA 4v4, and if everyone regroup at the main spots on the map, then you have multiple 1v1 situations, the only difference with eyetoeye or thunderstruck is that you have less space to move, so the RL is stronger but you have to deal with it. And i know quite a lot of good thunderstruck players that are probably as good at 4v4 CA.
Ofc when you play pub CA and want to play more tactical/+back, like for example k1llsen, then ofc it doesn't play the same as thunder 1v1 lg, but not everyone play like that.
And I can assure you that even thunder 1v1 lg can be tactical from time to time, especially when you want to force close/long range lg fights or get a little positional advantage to make your aim easier and your dodges harder to hit. And you can play around the "tunnel" aswell...
So even if you get 5% less than your opponent, you can still at least give him a good game (10-8 or 10-7) if you try to play more 'tactical' (in lg only).


and about idoser. Well, he didn't play q3 and he's quite young. And he says it himself "my playstyle is dumb". Once he'll figure out his playstyle and play less mindless +forward only then he'll be like really really good. I played some normal duel against him and he hits the same than at thunder 1v1, except that he +forward only and makes a lot of stupid moves. Well, in fact, even when we play thunder he +forward only :p, he just doesn't know how to +back and play more 'tactical'.


and like i said many times already, i know quite a lot of former thunderstruck players that are good at duel and 4v4 CA(like zsx and szr, and even back in the day strenx played thunderstruck ;) @ rocket arena 3)


but yeah in a sense you're right, if you want to be good at something, you have to play it a lot. Period.
You won't get good at duel if you practice thunder lg only, you won't get good at CTF if you practice duel only AND you won't get good at thunder/eyetoeye if you practice TDM only :)

Eyetoeye is pretty much identical to Thunderstruck in the 1v1 LG CA department. I wasnt singling out Thunderstruck per say, but any map that is just about standing 3 meters from each other and going LG only.

I'm not saying you cant be good at Thunderstruck LG and normal 4v4 at the same time. Of course you can. But they are still entirely different.

I don't agree that an organized 4v4 plays out similar and you have lots of 1v1 situations. Because you rarely have 1v1 situations that arent influenced by the other players around you (limiting your movement/position, losing HP from splash rockets, etc) and/or where you switch between opponents to do backdamage to help your mate real quick if your enemy fell off, etc...

It plays out very different, you have to make very different (and harder) decisions. On Thunderstruck or Eyetoeye, you dont have to make decisions. You just aim and shoot. Yes it takes skill to aim good and read dodges well, but it's a very limited spectrum in comparison to the 'normal CA'. Just as normal CA is limited and/or different compared to Duel.

But you saying that in Eyetoeye and Thunderstruck have less space to move than other maps is just ridiculous. Pretty much every other map has tighter spaces/meets/etc than those(Bridge on dm6, Top on Overkill, Bridge on Hiddenfortress, Top on Asylum, etc... - they are all way tighter and more limiting on movement).

Eyetoeye is pretty much identical to Thunderstruck in the 1v1 LG CA department.

yap it's pretty similar. But not entierely the same :p. For example idoser beats hal on thunderstruck lg only but loses on eyetoeye ;). Eyetoeye is more 'flat' than thunderstruck and there are more situations where you have to play with the lg at mid/long range, while at thunderstruck if you're 'smart' enough you can force close range lg fights (or like you said "just about standing 3 meters from each other") =)

I don't agree that an organized 4v4 plays out similar and you have lots of 1v1 situations. Because you rarely have 1v1 situations that arent influenced by the other players around you (limiting your movement/position, losing HP from splash rockets, etc) and/or where you switch between opponents to do backdamage to help your mate real quick if your enemy fell off, etc...

It depends on the map. For example on asylum, it's quite hard to force a 1v1 situation for the whole round (or let's say 1v1 lg, i would say that asylum is rocket heavy), because the map is too small, so, like you said you can get pushed by the splash damage of the rockets even accidentally. But on maps like Trinity or even hiddenfortress and overkill (if everyone goes second floor instead of everyone at the very top of the map), it's still doable, you can have a 1v1 situation for the whole round.
Also, a very good 4v4+ CA player knows how to not fall down, and if you play with good mates, they will prevent the opponents to do backdamages. If your team consists of experienced CA players, then there will be more 1v1 situations and less random splash/fall down/backdamages shit.
I'm not talking about campgrounds and almostlost, because those are VERY bad 4v4 CA maps. Those maps are only good for mindless pub CA ;).

On Thunderstruck or Eyetoeye, you dont have to make decisions. You just aim and shoot.

Say that to Fraze or draven :p. These guys knows how to play tactical (inside and outside the tunnel) very well. They don't just aim and shoot. For example i beat fraze 10-0 lg only without +back but all weapons is different, he beats me because of very good prediction rockets and tactical play.

But you saying that in Eyetoeye and Thunderstruck have less space to move than other maps is just ridiculous. Pretty much every other map has tighter spaces/meets/etc than those(Bridge on dm6, Top on Overkill, Bridge on Hiddenfortress, Top on Asylum, etc... - they are all way tighter and more limiting on movement).

nop i did not say that :p reread my reply ;)

"Say that to Fraze or draven :p. These guys knows how to play tactical (inside and outside the tunnel) very well. They don't just aim and shoot. For example i beat fraze 10-0 lg only without +back but all weapons is different, he beats me because of very good prediction rockets and tactical play."

I was referring to LG only. :) Of course, if you play all weapons, then different tactics come into play - and in my opinion this also makes it more entertaining than just meeting out in the open (3 meters distance to enemy with LG out) . :)

If that's the case and you like the guy you should tell him to play duel, tdm or ctf instead of ca, because those three are the only competitive mods in quake. Lets face it ca only had one major online tournament and one major lan appearance after like 15 years, both very recently. Furthermore the ca stuff wasn't 1v1 ca lg only thunderstruck blablabla but in 3v3 and the usual is 4v4, so 1v1 ca is an even more waste of life than ca itself.

yap you're kind of right

CA is a gametype for autistic people like me :D

but atm i still enjoy playing it with music :)

i play whatever i enjoy the most :)

might move to duel tho, cause duel is BEAUTIFUL. ^^

Casual duel?

IS SUCH A THING EVEN POSSIBLE? :o

well if i play duel i won't play to lose :p

these days i almost only play to win :)

many years now that i play quake ;)

Since you are friends with idoser, could you pls tell what sens he is using? Just curious if its like strenx 40-50cm or on the other hand smth like 22cm players like stermy use.

30cm/360°

logitech g400 (the one with angle snapping)

when he'll get some money he will change mouse, he'll go for probably the g400s or deathadder.

u can only compensate 5% difference with LG by hitting 3 full rockets.

where is the bad in this?

OP

lol @ CA players......utter trash

Its not trash, its better than playing stupid fps, at least its quake. Thrash is people making a big fuss about ca results, moreso if its in a particular map, and even moreso if its just for a particular weapon. Denying so many of the aspects that make quake a deep and enjoyable game.

So is this the new prodigious einstein alike genious that the CA community is promoting now? Seems rather desperate to me..

Heartless is only part of the "1v1 CA thunderstruck is EVERYTZINK" community, though.

if you think beating someone in 1v1 ca is an achievement u should kill urself

that's a little extreme, don't you think?

it aint that far off really. normal people would attempt suicide as a cry for help or attention, hearthless posts stuff about clan arena nobody gives a fuck about.

and yet you're the one playing 4v4 pub CA 24/7 :(

i like chaos. but i do get incredibly bored if people turn to cs :3

1v1 CA is the pinacle of tactic and combat skills ;)

CTF is the pinacle of movements and teamplay

Duel is the pinacle of strategy and individual skill

TDM is a bit of everything






No gametype is better than another, it's just a matter of taste for different people. You play whatever you enjoy the most, you try to have fun and improve with the gametype you like. As simple as that.
People saying "lolca" and the hardcore CA players saying "lolduel/tdm/ctf" are not open minded people. They are, to a little extent, similar to Hitler, they think their gametype is the pinacle of everything and that everything else takes no skill and is useless.
Don't be blind, even a game like LoL or CSGO take skills. Like I said, different tastes for different people. Period.

"1v1 CA is the pinacle of tactic and combat skills ;)"

C'mon.. not even you believe in that :( keep trolling.

ye tahts why i see duel players like tox get raped by idoser for instance :D

ogc?

^^^ 1st line of this idiot's post says it all.......

discuss?

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heartless idoser beating tox 1v1 lg on thunderstruck. nothing important