Why not just wait and see if they're up for sorting out a sponsor for QL first?

Probably costs more to rent the space needed to host a Quake tournament than it does for any reasonable prizepool to be created.


Sorry if I'm being a negative nancy, just trying to inject a bit of realism in to this.

What's the cost of running a tournament at dreamhack, without the prizepool?

I have no idea, I don't do their accounts :D

But I imagine they spend a couple of hundred thousand euros for the space they use over the period of the event

close to a million if not more.

I know a guy who runs MLG events.
It's fucking expensive.

space rental
equipment rental
staff
insurance ( an event like that prolly has a 10 mill insurance policy so prolly costs dreamhack 100,000 up front)
insurance for:
the building
the equipment
staff
event goers


permits

i'm sure there's more shit.

hoes
booze

every event has a ho budget

i didn't think about the drinks.

Theres a lot of drug dealers who play quake....

perfect sponsors.

This! first dose is free :D

prize pool

1st 1 lb sour D
2nd 1/2 lb og kush
3rd 2 oz great white shark

4-8 place 1 oz mid grade

9-10 place 6 pack of O'douls beer

:D

AFAIK blaze told DH is not interested in hosting more QL tourneys, so the waiting may end being never, i prefer being proactive than reactive, if they see we would help with the prize pool doing things like raising money the chances of them hosting a QL tournament should improve.

I totally agree the infrastructure cost a lot, thats why the first step is having DH admins giving us that, in a 5k computers lan, it should be a drop in the bucket the space and resources a quake tourney needs, i dont think it would make a big difference for them, while for us it would be uber cool.

Last year there were sponsors, and then we raised 5k more anyway. Why not trying to take the lead this time?

If id updated to tech 5.... sponsorship would go up i bet.

Now...
shit graphics that you don't need new equip. to run.
small fucking player base.... like really fuckin small.
no real development.

the only viable sponsors i can see would be mouse/mousepad companies.
Why would nvidia/ati sponsor quake?
why would intel/ amd sponsor this shit.. it can run on an athlon xp2600... i've tried it, it works
(yes i know intel duel masters blah blah... it's one.. and will b only one tourney.)

theres really nothing in QL that's going to keep casuals around.

most people would play ql once and say....

"this game is... stupid"
and they never come back...

They may say this game dessnt have good enough graphics, but stupid? HA-HA

Intel just sponsored QC QL tourney, iirc Kingston did last year DH.

Youre spewing false information.

its my opinion...

and yes stupid. anyone ive ever shown quake thinks it's stupid and unrealistic.
they like sci-fi shit for single player but prefer army sytle shooters.
my one an only avid pc gamer friend wont even try quake.
hes played doom wolfenstein ect ect
he thinks quake is dumb.


i did say intel duel masters... but intel sponsoring an event at qcon is different than being able to find a sponsor to host multiple events.

thats why i said mice companies are really the only viable option. i guess monitors too
it doesnt require the atest hardware to run... but you do need a decent mouse and monitor.
(
old school gamer: " overclocked my shit to 4.0ghz.. liquid cooled of course!" "oh yeah faggot 5.6ghz.. freon cooled bitch!"

todays quaker " derrr will this game run on a netbook?"
)


those are the two most talked about pieces of hardware discussed on this sight.
i would think it would be easier to "sell" the idea of a ql tourney/circuit kinda thing
to companies that are making shit we actually buy/ sorta need to play ql.
would be easier and cheaper overall to do online cups. lanz cost moneeez.

thats my opinion lol

"he thinks quake is dumb"

It's just his absolute lack of insight.


"old school gamer: " overclocked my shit to 4.0ghz.. liquid cooled of course!" "oh yeah faggot 5.6ghz.. freon cooled bitch!""

That's not old school gamer, but new school retard rather.

Installing DOSBox and sukcing dry abandonia.com, because 95 % of new games just purely suck - now that's old school and true at heart.

If id updated to tech 5

Could people stop blindly repeating this like it was even remotely in the realm of possibilities? Do you think it's enough to install id tech 5 on the quake for it to run on better GRAFIX? There's more than 10 years that separate the two engine, porting quake 3 on another engine would mean having to write again from scratch most of the code. And this of course doesn't take into account that better graphics would actually require hiring ARTISTS to draw textures and models. There's a grand total of 2 people working on QL right now and It's still not clear to me wether Syncerror is an actual programmer or a simple community manager.

Now, I'm not saying some kind of graphic update is impossible (es. hires texture packs for maps) but expecting an engine port out of the blue means having no clue on the subject.

Also, the point of f2p multiplayer games isn't really graphics, if you compare popular esports with games coming out right now their graphics are pretty subpar, and this of course is because companies want every single russian/brazillian to be able to run their f2p game on his pentium 4 toaster.

tl;dr edukat urselfe u silly potat.

keep living in 1999

Even according to your previous estimate that's at least a $2 million project. The change needs to be profitable and that's quite a risk to take. Not to mention that having better graphics won't make the new players appreciate more getting raped without understanding what's going on so there's little chance that just that change would be enough.

Then speak to DH people first and find out if they'd do that..

Not really a drop in the bucket of space and resources... last DH they used an entire theatre for Quake. There are certainly better things they can use their space on that promote Dreamhack more effectively.

I dont know anyone of DH, thats the idea of this post, people with more contacts like you helping, thats the idea of a "community". If you dont like the idea, thats fair, no need to keep injecting your "realism", we already get that you dont like this idea.

That the last time they used an entire theater for Quake doesnt means they have to do it again, it was totally empty most of the time anyway. Some computers and a small share of their fat pipe is enough to host a quake lan for pros.

Funny a quake caster says they have better things to use their space. Would be like me saying you can use your money on better things than casting quake, like... nevermind wont go full brandan.

Use my money on better things than casting? wat?

The comparison makes no sense.. before it even becomes a comparison.

I just think we all need to play the waiting game a little bit before we start trying to take such 'desperate' measures, coz it seems VERY desperate. Not the type of attitude you want to present in front of the DH guys. I'd say wait a month - 6 weeks, and see how things look from there.

now thats an argument i can agree, i thought they would take it positively that we are doing these kind of things, planning in advance and collecting moneyz. But if you believe they will see us as desperate and be counterproductive ill take your advice.

I really don't think desperation plays any part in whether Quake Live is picked up or not. If someone wants to pitch this idea to DreamHack I do not see why it's an issue.

okay buddy

Just wait for all the money VALVE will be giving us / ID

If such a tournament is held consider using indiegogo or somesuch for funding the prize pool. Flexible funding works for such 'charity' drives when there's no minimum needed to make anything happen. Also it'd be a little more eputable than some shady guy's paypal account. Also accept bitcoin on the side while you're at it.

just my two satoshis

Thanks for your input, dont know those systems. Memento is a reputable guy that already took care of last year DH donations, he also single handedly supported Dem0n travel to QC this year.

If it was on something like indiegogo it might encourage people outside of the quake community to donate too (unlikely anyone would but its possible).

I would donate to a CS tournament but I never play. I wouldnt donate to some random CS players paypal but I would donate to an indiegogo.

Would it be possible to hijack Prague LAN and add an additional duel tournament or is it too soon?

You mean the lan that is going to happen there? http://www.district-prague.eu/

<insert clay davis reaction>

I could donate milion $

I can help with Elocoinz if that works too

did u get the million yet??

I don't really like the idea of the community funding everything in quake through donations. It's not sustainable on the long run and us having to do it shows the sad state the game is in.

The other things I dislike are that we depend too much on id software for everything -because lets face it they suck-, that there isn't an european quakecon and that quake's competitive side is too much on the sidelines now, with absolutely nothing going on in e-sports. Heck we can't reliably depend on DH now.

The realistic approach is to make a existing event become a proper european quakecon (Cakecon), every year, same amount of players and prize pool as quakecon, hopefully getting a loyal sponsor that gives away more than mice and mousepads. That way players aren't donating per se, but are paying to enjoy a hobby (slightly better) and has the potential of becoming something notorious outside ESR. Please welcome the possibility of partnering with other games, whether of quake itself and related (host QHLAN there at the same venue and time, every year), or external (LoL and speedruns pay the bills). No relation with id software, as they fucked up the most recent Aussie lan among many others, unless they put prize money and in any case the event won't be theirs. Asus and Prague come to mind as viable picks, maybe the QHLAN venue if someone knows more about it.

In the end it's a smaller, more focused UGC, while keeping in mind that prize pool is not the only thing that makes an event great, nor bigger nor more relevant.

btw, 'up' Kappa

Agreed, and I do like the idea of a european quakecon!

if i'm the head of qhlan, i don't lift a finger for quakelive/esr.
esr has never supported quakeworld over the years and a dual lan wouldn't help much if anything.
you reap what you sow

i don't think a cakecon would even last(see ugc)
you need to find a company with quality sponsorships and an online presence.
i think faceit with help from idsoftware is a way it could be done

2 faceit lans a year(one in europe and one in america)
run online tournaments in both locations before the lans
3 quakelive lans a year should be just enough to keep the scene competitive year round.