Brilliant.

I know! I don't see Arena FPS making a comeback any other way. I think 2 years is perfectly reasonable.

I wish sponge was trying to do this in reverse (to then when it gets famous later on make the real Quake free again or just force everyone to play real Quake only). Too bad they will not.

or... just put ql gameplay with improved looks (animations, gfx...) into something like Battlelog or for example Dota2's client
i bet tons of people would play it and they would pay for whatever you give them. blinking nicknames, fancy huds, weapons skins,models skins, in-game items skins, exp/in-game $ boost per game

so basically, just make a good fps arena shooter game? that - as a whole - doesn't look like 1999, 2005, 2010, but 2015 project?

Tons of people DO pay for those things, even before Valve was doing it.

Trails are the devil.

sure. what i was trying to say is that there is so much room for that specific one but great arena shooter game on the market (not only competitve side of it) that you don't need to do anything beside making an actual good game to succed.

I don't know if I believe that that is true anymore.

Why don't you? Since 15 years we hadn't really see a good arena shooter release with all up to date standards. QL was released in 2007, so it already was 8 years (too) old cause it was the same shit as Q3. No wonder every game in this "genre" is considered to be dead.

The same deal was with MOBA untill Riot released LoL. Before that there was none good MOBA game that could encourage significant amount of people to play.

I'm not really saying anything new...

The world doesn't work that way anymore. No business will make a competitive, high-skill Arena FPS because the market does not cater to it.

Back in the golden era, gaming was a very nerd thing to do. To be the top dog, you had to out-nerd (skill) the other player to show your superiority. Talking trash meant nothing if you couldn't walk the walk. The games limits were pushed as the players evolved. Quake and games like it are high skill almost entirely by accident. The nerd player that pushed himself to be the best pushed the game with it.

Gaming is no longer a niche/nerd thing. There's no money in backing the hardcore player on a hardcore game. The business model of now for eSports is to market your game to the casual players.

Here are some stats for fun:
Quakelive, according to QLranks, can not break 5000 duels a day.
Let's say there's 5000 players that duel once a day. Obviously this is not the case, it's probably more like 6-7 duels a day average. 5000 player base is something we might consider acceptable in current Quake times.

Compare that to the January statistic of 27 million daily League of Legend players, Quake makes up 0.00018% of that. Quake is 0.018% of the daily PEAK of CS:GO players.

No one in their right mind would market a game to even a 5% player base looking for success, but let's say they do. An extremely skilled Arena FPS game gets published. We only have to look over to the side bar to see that it won't go anywhere. There will be no money backing it. All money backing eSports comes from marketing, and no corporation will waste their time adertising to 5% of the market.

The casual games become eSports because someone HAS to be the best. The players will always push the limit of the game, no matter what game. Someone has to be on top.

The whole world has to shift at once, and that just simply won't happen. This "guide" is a joke, but honestly I think it's the best bet we have to seeing a return. Either that, or have all of the top Arena players infiltrate the system (become top CoD/LoL players) and shed light on the situation through mass exposure.


I had no sense of direction of this post, I'm sure I left out a few points I wanted to make... whateve, it's game over.

"Compare that to the January statistic of 27 million daily League of Legend players, Quake makes up 0.00018% of that. Quake is 0.018% of the daily PEAK of CS:GO players."

- keep in mind you are comparing 15 years old game with 2012 infrastructured one, that is consitently updated. you can't do that and that's all I'm saying. you can't prove your theesis "No business will make a competitive, high-skill Arena FPS because the market does not cater to it." because you don't have any examples to do so.
from 1999 there was no quake-like game wich would be up-to-day stadards. and all i'm saying is if someone makes one it would succed - i'm 100% sure of that.

i know your post was a joke, but still i highly disagree with your statements.

in LoL the skill gap is exactly the same, thing is it's existance is abtragened because of tier levels. if you were matched with high-elo players in that game the skill gap would be even bigger than in quake. but you aren't, you are playing with people on your level and if you are better than them you can gain ELO and play with higher tiers. it could be the same with quake with proper matchmaking and properly big player base (wich can be achieved only by a good game made for 2014 standards, not updated (or not even updated as ql is) 15-years old one)

at some point in time moba was a niche too, that games couldn't reach any close percentages to sc2 or cs:go untill someone made a real good game in that genre.

What standard does it not live up to for the modern day?

It is still in the dim light of eSports, the gameplay obviously beats any standard of today, and the engine functions perfectly well. Would you really change the graphics?


If there is room for it now, then it wouldn't have faded away. The climate has changed too much. People don't want it.

2GD now got the plan.

Step 5 go bankrupt waiting for step 2 to happen

Step 2 happens all the time.

oh rly, name them. Titanfall is about all i can come up with and even that isn't doing so hot

It started in the middle somewhere of step 3.

CoD releases crappy CoD clones all the time.

Unfortunately u wont reach step 3 ;-)

People still play Titanfall? For some retarded reason people were hyped for this CoD clone and when they found out it's a CoD clone (WHAT A SURPRISE) they stoped being hyped :)

dno, never played it since i don't own a console but i assume it at least has a playerbase because of all the hype.

If I would pay 60$ for this shit I would play it 24/7 no matter what ;)

prolly, i'll pick it up for like 5$ when i eventually buy a ps3 i guess. its likely not a bad game per se, just nothing spectacular