This is a really well produced video, showcasing a great community! Big props to all people involved!

I hope the ingame footage proves to people that competitive TF2 - with all the retarded stuff included in the game by valve removed - is actually a pretty nice fast-paced teamgame :)

All the retarded stuff was removed, then the community decided to add it in. Gg.

oh wow, you are right. Just checked up on the rules of ETF2L ( http://whitelist.tf/etf2l_6v6_s18 ) .. that's silly

When i quit it was only blutsauger, kritzkrieg and ubersaw allowed. I liked that game.

Doesn't matter really. The "silly" items are only really allowed again to please the public. Noone uses those in actual comp play.

Great game, but found myself playing as Scout 90% of the time just to make it "fast-paced". Used to play quite a bit of HLDM, CS and TFC before Q3 back in the day, and was never bothered about the speed, but once you Quack, you can't go back.

Other 10% was Pyro. HMFFMFMFFF! OLOLOLOLOLOLO

Luckily in competitive you have a medic to heal you all the time,allowing for quite a bit of rocket jumping. But yea sure, the speed is not as fast paced as Quake. Also, its a major difference of TFC and TF2 that bunnyjumping is removed, so you cant keep the speed in the same way :)

Yeah same, the only tolerable class is scout. And the only tracking gun is used by the slowest class in the game.

0/10 didnt watched

so can we gather 20k to get a really good tdm tournament going with teams from all over the world? like the old eurocup lans!

edit: ah its prize pool not to help people get there... never mind

tf2/10

TF2 has the worst netcode ever...

thats painkiller

TF2 netcode is weird as fuck, but you can "learn" it and get skillful with it. Still sucks tho :p

what's bad about it?

Hit register is completely crap. You need aim 90% to hit 50% - pathetic shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLBDo5s4BD4

Never had any problems with it and I play in NA servers with 200 ping. It's a lot better than QL's netcode for sure, unless there's some drastic changes done to it within this year.

its a very long movie, but extremly well done. thats how i want lan movies to be like - instead of "best frags compilation" which can rarely match a fragmovie thats based on hundrets of online moments doing a hype build up with interviews and player backgrounds and have a little story for every team. i was really curious who would win in the end and thus watched the entire thing.
well done

more like fag-umentary am i right guys?

tf2 is a great game

great stuff. sets the bar high for a future documentary in QL that might never come... (or did dem0n already publish one??)

i love the production
i love the demoman
i love the sniper shots, sweet as hell
but most of all i love the q1 rocket launcher skin and sound \o/\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ n1!!

also bonus 10k from the communtiy WP guyz, props!
and congratz to epsilon, gg wp.

that "spy" class kills this game for me.

Really well made movie, I just wish it was quake.

All I can think of is: if only they were playing Quake.

Surprisingly good! Made me care about a TF2 tournament, which has never happened before. Echoing others, I would love to see something like this for Quake in the future. Maybe at the first international Reflex LAN? :-D

boneyard production realy set the bar with this movie not only for TF2 movies, but i think it has a higher quality then 90% of quake movies ever done.

add matchmaking t o TF2! :P

cube is the best

If TF2 had no classes, all guns available to every character, no limit to how many you can carry, guns picked up off the map, scout movement for every player, every playerhas 150 health, no cosmetics, then I would play TF2

The fact that I want this shows that I am just an annoying quake fanboy, but I would totally play it if it was like that. Classes just feel like they took everything you can do in an arena shooter and split it up into 9 sections so you can only do a few of them at once.

The guns are quite fun though. Give me all of them at once

but it's not an arena shooter, neither is it trying to be one

I know, I just think it would be a pretty fun game if it was

Whatever it is trying to be (class based shooter?) just feels like an arena shooter but cut up into little pieces

It's just the latest incarnation in the legacy of "team fortress" games, dating back to 1996. It's not trying to be a class-based shooter, it is a class-based shooter :p

I shouldnt have said "trying to be". As far as class based shooters go, TF2 is probably the best. I guess I just dont like them much

I do think the guns are cool though and would love to see them in an arena fps setting. The medigun in ctf would be fun. Blocking major items with sticky grenades in duel would be interesting too or waiting with the flamethrower when people exit teleporters

Actually TFC (Team Fortress Classic) is MUCH better. Not graphic wise, of course, but gameplay wise, a hell of a lot better...

I mostly meant the TF series as a whole over other class based shooters. Tribes is fun too.

prepare for loadouts - classes are real! ;)

Holy shit!
That game is better than QL :O

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looks like a meat grinder on a trampoline.. no thx

in my german version i see screwdrivers and wheels instead of gibs, thanks to german cutting -_-

loooooool

not enough hats

For anyone interested, the i52 tournament is going live today.

In contrast to i49 there are now two top NA teams attending: Classic Mixup and Froyotech. The Australian Team Immunity is back to try and prove themselves once again, with now a (generally seen as) higher skilled demoman and scout amongst their ranks.

- General information about the event: i52.tf

- Introduction to the European teams attending: http://teamfortress.tv/thread/19645/sleepless...nsomnia-52

- Why the Ozzies will take it this time: http://teamfortress.tv/thread/19660/10-reason...minate-i52

I'm a dedicated comp TF2 player, but love to watch Quake. QL dueling is just so damn spectatable, in contrast to team based formats.

However, I think TF2 offers way more structure to the flow and dynamics of the game compared to QL team based modes. TF2 feels somewhere between QL dueling and QL team games in terms of flow. It's as if TF2 6v6 is like duel, but specific aspects, weapons, and skillsets of a single player are divided amongst 6. The medic kinda fills the role of the major items (uber for red/mega/battlesuit and kritz for quad) Most battles in TF2 can be seen as a one on one where you could just add up the health of each individual player to one team "health pool".

I can see why a lot of QL players are not fond of this, as they are used to having (the possibility of) every single weapon and ability to their disposal that their opponent has. The class-based gameplay with assymetric matchups is what makes TF2 so interesting though, and what boosts the value of teamplay and comms immensely over any other team based FPS. Positioning is not only based on your own team, but also on map geometry and the prospected enemy that is countering that position (the simplest of examples being a scout avoiding tight corridors when there is a likelyhood of a soldier covering that area). Team coherence is also generally promoted because of the medic class.

Although there's no strafejumping in TF2, making most classes feel very slow for QL players, except scout, mobility by splash damage (demoman/soldier) is greatly encouraged because of the many ways to keep a good health stack (medic overheal/buff and soldier gunboats which reduce self damage). This in combination with (limited) air accelleration brings the skillbased movement which the game would otherwise lack because of (nearly) no bunnyhopping or strafejumping.


tl;dr: imo Quake is coolest FPS, TF2 is coolest team FPS. I'd rather watch Quake and play TF2, but however hectic the spectator experience of a team based FPS might be, I hope that watching some i52 TF2 games will still be fun and interesting for the quakers here!

also rip no QL at i52 :(

Once you play Quake seriously you'll understand why we're so condescending. It's hard not to be.

why is ntf so popular in cpma community then?

The name of that mode is self-explanatory in a serious way, even if slightly ironic. It's a class-based form of CTF, which is far from being a TF clone.

That aside, being irritated about Quake receiving so little attention in comparison to other titles, which I don't think deserve as much as they get, isn't the same as thinking those games don't have a place in the gaming world. It's just a matter of a well-informed opinion on what the _priorities_ should be in the games and esports industries.

Thanks, that's cool to know. I believed the guy in the video who said it would be all downhill from here, so it's a nice surprise to see another genuinely international tournament.

After every big tournament people are used to saying "OK, TF2 is dead now". I'm fairly sure people comment like that on Quake from time to time too.

Yet TF2 is surprisingly alive again at i52. There are only 26 6v6 teams in comparison to i49's 36, but this time around there's also a bigger highlander tournament (this is a different format where people play 9v9) with 10 teams there, so that kinda evens things out in terms of attendance.

And @ kdawg: Don't worry, I was ignoring those type of "condescending" comments. My posts was meant for people who don't have to be dickish about other video games, and are interested in watching high level play in other FPS, especially if the game comes from the same family tree as QL. And I actually agree with you, Quake (dueling) is a better eSports and spectator experience. I don't think the same about Quake team modes though, or the Quake at the level you probably play it at :P .
O yeah, and just a tip for you in future discussions: _saying_ that your opinion is well-informed doesn't magically make it well-informed ;)

Anyway, day 1 of the tournament was amazing. Everybody seemed to be playing out of their mind. Day 2 going live now.

If only this was QWTF.

It's a shame the communities get so fragmented with time. I wonder why that is. I can't actually remember why I stopped playing QWTF, maybe I got bored with it for a while and took interest in other games. Meanwhile others did the same and the community wasn't there anymore when I tried to come back.

I don't think migrating to other games would be inspired by money either, like it could be with some RTS games, as there really was no money in QWTF and the like (IIRC). Maybe people just kinda try new games of the same genre, get stuck for a while, and then everyone implicitly agrees that moving back to the old game would require way more coordination than anyone has the energy/motivation for.