Steam
+ It's on steam. There are people who consider this a good thing.
+ Steam overlay with friend system (apparently has VoIP) and whatnot.
+ I'm not sure cause I haven't actually switched yet, but the launcher is gone and the game will automatically start the browser

- It's on steam, i.e. factually DRM. Doesn't really matter for a MP shooter.
- Not much point in steam's friend system when there's basically no interactivity (can't comfortably invite other people) and QL has its own
- You'll need to launch steam for playing QL, and for me, this takes longer than with standalone. -> longer load time
- I'm really not sure, but I assume steam puts the game files in different folders, and the switch will require you to move your cfg etc. from baseq3 to wherever it puts them. Extraql might require some additional setting up.

"no interactivity (can't comfortably invite other people)"

rightclick -> invite to game?

it doesnt get any more comfortable than that. no idea if it works with quake live but if it doesnt, its id's fault for not integrating it.

I think source games allow their players to invite friends directly into the player's server and the invited person can see server details without having the game open. Accept invite -> game starts and autoconnects. Handy stuff like that.

steam seamlessly installs, I'd recommend installing it. no impact problems here, and friends you can still communicate with QL friends and Steam friends.

Con.

Once you link the account, there is no going back

Pro?

You can if you contact support. Max of 3 times apparently.

They unlinked my account for me

Pro: I can still use the client.

err? after you linked?

Before I ever tried that. : D

Pros:
More players
Automatic updates
No launcher

Cons:
Quake veterans running 512MB RAM and a pentium 4 cant handle steam.

The players are the same, it's only different launching method, so "More players" doesn't meam anything.

Do you seriously meam that?

The servers are same, regardless of which you use, Steam or standalone. Both groups are not separated, they are in one "pool". Thus, choosing Steam as launching method over standalone doesn't have advantage of "More players". You'll have "More players" even if you keep using standalone.
I meam that.

does QL-steam look any diffrent then standalone version? some1 post screenshits.

The only difference is having to launch it with steam, nothing has changed with the actual game

i suppose having extraQL installed, i can run steam quake form there.

No problems with extraql and ql on steam :)

It's just another way to launch the game. The game looks and plays exactly the same.

does it boot any quicker out steam or same?
i saw some1 mention, ql boots quicker out of steam dunno if that is true.

For me it takes 1-2 seconds longer from steam. In other words a negligible difference.

It depends on what you mean. If you include the launcher's md5 checksum of every file in your QL installation, then Steam is much faster. If you include launching Steam itself first, it may be slower. Maybe.

can you still launch it with extraql scripts?
• if not thats shit.
• if you dont know what that is. gtfo

just put hook.js in your new baseq3 dir.

The nice ' start steam' and 'autolaunch QL in steam' options in extraQL should have given that away ;)

I'm so sorry Yakumo. One day I hope to be as cool as you. Untill that day I will walk in your shadow and pray.

I linked my account with steam because I wanted to buy pro with the left over money on my steam but apparently you can't do that.. They should really make that possible

You can actually, I had 5 euros on my steam wallet and put on another 30 so I could buy pro which worked fine. As long as you have enough money on your wallet you can do that without creditcard.

how you get steam credz?

Use this: http://store.steampowered.com/steamaccount/addfunds If you want 30 euros you could use 5 + 25.

You can also edit the html: right click, inspect element on the 'add funds' button and change the 1000 in 'javascript :submitAddFunds( 1000 );' to the amount of cents you want to add (minimum 500). For example, 28 euros: 'javascript :submitAddFunds( 2800 );' I am pretty sure its the same for dollarcents/pennies as well, just test it you will get a confirmation screen afterwards anyway.

Pro

- helps steam stats
- advertises quake to friends
- probably handy if you like steam
- maybe in future if enough people have switched they will start integrating more with steam (speculation)

Con

- you have to use the steam client
- you cant go back to standalone without contacting support
- you keep getting messages from your friends saying "get off quake and come play (x)"
- your boss can see if you are playing quake when you are "working from home" if you have added him on steam

you have installed steam version of QL?

Yep, I havent had any bugs yet

kul, i also have some steam games, but i am kinda reluctant to move to steam ... so i want to gather some opinions before i do so.

I really see no disadvantages. I wish for dlc (syncherror hinted at possibly provide new announcers as dlc for example) and my guess would be that it will only be distributed trough steam.

it's pretty much the same.. i also have almost all my games on steam so it's better for me at least.
The few differences i noticed were:
Steam downloads all maps when you install it (great for standard accounts).
I think you can only login to one account per steam account (i might be wrong tho)..that might be an issue for those (god damn) fake nickers.

why would one add his boss on steam :D

because one is foolish

we have work game nights every wednesday though so I have a whole bunch of work folk on my steam. it is both a blessing and a curse

then create a new steamaccount just with quake on it. since its free to play anywhere u loose nothing :P

You can only link your QL account to a single Steam account. Unless he makes a new QL account... but then there's no point in using Steam, the standalone would be fine.

lol :) that last one:

- your boss can see if you are playing quake when you are "working from home" if you have added him on steam

but with your "cons"
- why would you need to go back to the standalone one?
- disable chat in game
- the last one well, I am sure there is a work around for that within steam. (notifications settings or something?)

- why would you need to go back to the standalone one?

Its nice to have the option

- disable chat in game

Well they see me go on quake in steam and message me in skype. Like you said though, steam notification settings would probably sort it out. I dont know it very well

nor do I, but let me look..

Pro:
It's unplayable because of lags
My K/D will skyrocket

its your ISP.

NEXT!

:>

Good one! :D

It's good they included the right-click -> join game option :]

Because doubleclick was to convenient :)

Haha, I mean in the steam friends list.

It's not quite the full Source experience but if you have a steam friend playing Quake Live and they're playing in a match you can right click, join game and it launches QL and directly joins the server :]

Edit:
Which basically means it'll be easy to set up PUGs via steam groups and steam community in the future.

really, nice

i hope it's just for awareness and not anything to do with planned integration steam serverbrowser, friends, etc.

Launching games from steam is soooo slow, i'll just continue with my no-launcher.bat as long as i can, thank you very much.

Because the current server browser and friends list are just ahead of time, with neat features like server information gets updated almost twice an hour and message logs disappears when the other logs off, is just great!


</sarcasm>

no, because booting up steam, to play a game thats only using steam as DRM is retarded. I've seen alot of chatter when playing where ppl discuss moving cfg files etc to steam folders. WHY?? i have no idea why they wanna play it through steam, it really is retarded, come on. I cannot understand ppl sometimes :( And the fact that most ppl, albeit reluctantly, just accept the loadout bs id forced on everyone(not entirely true) instead of going to the source and saying, HEY, fuck you id, give us old quake back you fucking bastards. OR I'm wrong, and ppl do, but id are just as massive faggots as I think they are, and we STILL don't move back to q3, because the old argument of playerbase. But who really plays ql? well the ppl i play with certainly know how to install q3 and play through that, the rest of the casual player base and other newbies, i really dont play against/with, so i dont care what they do. But nope, ppl really are more lazy than ever, installing mods? THAT'S DEVILS WORK. :( so sad times.

/end long rant no one is gonna read anyway.

Well, if the players you play with, and care about, know how to install q3, then they should also know how to move their cfg, shouldnt they? ;)

People have posted massive topics/posts on quakelive.com, also on irc, but as you concluded yourself, ID dont seem to care..

Moving to steam is the same as creating this website or the quakelive forums; its a new way to interact with the playerbase and possibly make it bigger. Steam has a lot of features, ID just need to integrate and use them.
Hopefully this will happen, and make the steam transition worth it.

i guess thats a key observation i missed.. :( for them moving a config being something they need to have long conversation about to be able to do, shows something i missed before i think :/

anyway, quake is doomed if id does not reverse the update when the initial play once, never again crowd are done on steam. But i have great fear that, that will never happen, and also a bigger fear that ppl will NOT be going back to quake 3, once id pulls the plug on ql.

Well i dont know, but hopefully quake live will never shut down as long as there is a playerbase for it.

If they do, the will probably publish the dedicated server files for the public, so we can host the servers ourself :)

I worship the evils called id and valve and succumb to their will for i am a faithful disciple of the chaotic church of quake live. All heretics shall be cast into the void and their souls will be taken and offered to our masters.





Btw i have all quakes installed and do play them sometimes. :)

Pro: You can install the game where ever you want, not just C:

Pro : more players

Con : Its not Quake anymore....

in that sense, it's not Quake since it left the cd :D

true :P

whats crazy is that its called 'steam' because it comes out of 'valve'

Lool was like, what the fuck are he talking about, when i read that yesterday.. But just realised it now :D

TOO INSANE

Who doesn't already use steam? If you don't, then you're not much of a PC gamer.

Quake player =/= PC gamer /!\

I hate steam but am kinda forced to use it.

true dat

Gaben peasantry at its finest.

wow.. being racist about pc gamers. only in america.

pro\\

• Consolidation
• Exposure
• Support
• Dev impetus

Pro: Community hub.

You don't need to launch steam for playing QL. If you have a desktop icon, it doesn't take any longer. when i used to play on ql, i had to open up browser, now i don't