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a big butt is always nice when you're doing it horizontally

what did the guy say?

I assume this thread is mean to be a reply to this comment
http://esreality.com/post/2487925/new-gaming-...pid2670071

Yes, this post supposed to be a reply to that guy. For some reason at the post authentication it redirected me. My bad. My post's intention was to just tell BST to have more insight on his own product than to just gather ideas from the community, because like what gienon says, it's impossible to cater to everyone's needs. There is however, a science in performance optimizing, and that is only through extensive R&D, not just taking in some guy's account that he wants the sensor moved up or down (just an example amongst other factors), because again, making good products just doesn't work like that.

There are inherent (and very apparent) problems with community based projects. The gaming industry is full of these examples, especially after indie development got big. Again, as what gienon has said, "you can't satisfy everyone". However that phrase is often understated heavily. It's really up to the director to filter out his intel, and each aspect he receives. He has the choice to affirm, deny, or ignore--and all three of these aspects have dire consequences.

Someone could say to put in 50% of the director's effort and take the other 50% from the community. Is that a proper way to view it though? The % contribution from the community is as controllable as the weather. What part of the community are you looking at? Are you going to filter one segment of the community out in favor of another? These are one of many development headaches.

So what you're suggesting is that Logitech had "extensive R&D done on sensor position relative to the shape" and despite that came up with an unbalanced G500.

GO BST!

Regardless of whether the G500 is unbalanced or not, it does make me wonder.

Logitech does a huge amount of research. How is one guy ordering parts from around the world going to compete with that?

Logitech Lab
The Making of a Gaming Mouse: Inside Logitech's Labs
Logitech darkfield mouse technology lab tour - 720p HDTV
Logitech HQ: François Morier, Senior Engineer Explains Mouse Sensor Design

You know nothing about mice.

Logitech and all the "research" that they do at the end of the day its bullshit for show, because they have some of the shittiest shapes for gaming mice.

The famous MX518, G400 has good components (parts they also don't make but order), while the shape something logitech "researched" is rubbish.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to make a good mouse, all you need is to respect some rules and avoid the big no nos.

Leave the marketing high dpi, heavy mouse, many colors bullshit at the door and your chances that you can have a decent mouse are greatly improved.

All the components that bst is using are made by the best companies in their respected fields, so yeah testing has been made.

The switches are Omron, the sensor is Avago.

So really whether you go from bst to a big company like Logitech they all pretty much are using the same components, the only difference is the shape and the firmware that they develop.

Lets be honest here, its all smoke and mirrors with these big companies. Its mostly a bunch of guys who have technical ability but are not gamers. So in both Logitech and Razer they produce hordes of shit because at the end of they are not gamers and dont really understand what a real gamer needs.

You need 1 guy who gets it to lead all the robots to build an amazing product. Logitech doesnt have this. SteelSeries used some pro gamers for the shape of their mice and they nailed it. Everything else that they did they pretty much failed in many levels.

Steve Jobs made Appple because he knew what he wanted and he used his robots to make what he wanted. Without Steve Jobs all the "scientists" are headless sheeps with no clear vision and understanding on what to build despite having the technical ability of buiilding or putting together components.

Moral of the story, only high level gamers know what they truly need and want from their peripherals because they are the ones testing and seeing what works and doesn't work in game. What improves your aim, what doesn't.

99% of the staff in Logitech or SteelSeries are casual gamers at best, they don't understand what high level to pro gamers really need. Thats why if you look at the good decisions they make it usually is traced back to advice they took from real gamers on forums.

There's certainly a lot of marketing gimmicks, I agree.
Considering how popular the wmo still is, the truth of the matter might simply be that there really is not that much room for improvement anyway.

If they listen to me and McFly, we would see new MX310s with new sensors :P

Simple. There is no one way of making a good mouse that will cater to every need of everyone on the lookout for a mouse. Customers value different aspects and it's reasonable to expect that a big company won't fill out every single niche, either because of ignorance or an opportunity cost of missing out on some other business goal worth pursuing. The Aurora won't find much cheer among those after a pimped-out shiny mouse but for FPS players it should be among the very best and therefore can compete with stuff from Logitech.