I never had wrist pain until I used mouse for a long time in really shitty position.
Try to lay your forearm on the desk. Take a break?

what you describe is a really awkward posture imo. resting your wrist and forerm on the pad would probably help a big time easing the tension. i use (used as it broke not too long ago) the g100s this way way and never had wrist pain due to it.


also if your forearm does not touch the pad i guess its against the edge of the desk or something as it can not just float in the air. get rid of that habit as you might be compressing nerves in your forearm and that might lead to some painful shit on the long term.

Is your wrist flat on your pad?

It's odd because I used an abyssus years ago without noticeable pain. I find myself constantly readjusting my grip in game because I do not like the g100s sensor placement. I wish it was a bit higher up. Maybe this is causing some discomfort.

yes it is. i tried experimenting with different grips myself but what i always ended up with is this: fingertip style, thumb in line with the sensor, index and middle on buttons, in line with the front of the wheel, ring finger on the edge and pinky holding on to the other side. wrist and arm flat on the table. with anything else i felt unstable.

This is how I hold the mouse. Did you feel odd doing diagonal movement with your g100s? I'm not sure what it is about this mouse, but these movements feel off.

did not feel quite odd to me. btw right after unboxing the first thing i did was removing the weight fot the ultimate featherlightness.

I'm using this posture with a g100s for years, I don't find it particularly awkward ;) I actually switched from a palm based style because my shoulder kept bothering me.

The OP should simply relax while playing, maybe lower the sens too, I tend to tense up when trying to control a too high sensitivity.

Stop whatever it is you're doing right now. Once you fuck your wrists there's no going back.

listen to anon hes right.

This. Stop playing Quake and start reading about correct posture, stretches etc. If it's bad see a doctor ASAP.

I had quite a lot of problem to elbow-wrist caused by quake last year.... When i went to doctor he said "do you do some abnormal gesture with your elbow and wrist ?" and i went "ummm nou :>" , at that time i played like 8h each day quake and change 6 mouse in 2 months plus my posture was really wrong ..... So little tips for you =]

-every 2h of game take a break (at least 10-15 min)
-the elbow must be on the desk , don't play with the elbow over the table it will cause fatigued to the elbow itself and to the shoulder even.
-use a light mouse ,and possible of your handsize
-the clawgrib cause you pain to the wrist ? use palm grib it's more comfortable
- if you use "mouse2" to jump put it back to "space bar" , it will help relax the nerves of your right hand.

All this thing helped me a lot at that time (now i'm no so active :).

Oh onether thing , i tried 8 different mouse and i can tell you this , there's no mouse comfortable as the WMO 1.1 if you have the chance get one ;)

I don't know how people aim with palm grip. It feels sluggish and impossible to make quick / precise movements. I'll try your other tips though, thanks.

pain from gaming, you weaklings : DDDDD

It's not from gaming it's from quaking :D ... Quake need advertisement : warning Quake will butt hurt you if you don't use right posture :0)

just buy a different mouse

http://www.triggerpoints.net/symptom/volar-wrist-palmar-pain

http://www.triggerpoints.net/muscle/flexor-carpi-radialis

This highlights the area where I feel pain. I think I was actually resting my arm on the desk while playing. The trigger point is around the same area where my arm would touch the edge of the desk. Maybe I'm pivoting on the edge.

those triggerpoints develop through overuse of the muscles in the first place, and not from local irritations tho.

you must massage the area of pain, to get rid of it.
it reliefs from the pain right away.
with stretching on the other had, it would take ages.

take this as reference, even if it shows a different area:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_x1WlefJCs

Stop jerking off so much.

jerk off more, build wrist strength

18 cm is quite high imo, specially while trying to track accurately causing the hand to tense up. Your hand should feel relaxed always and lower sens (+ maybe accel, i use it) helps to achieve it because you don't have to be so "accurate" with your movements. If you want to keep the sens then try palm grip or like said before try moving hand up the table.

Visit a doctor

and

maybe it's time to stop playing videogames.

Not strong enough for quake?

lift weights. (Serious)

Try a gyroscopic hand exercise tool. I have a powerball brand one. I use it to warmup and for general health purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscopic_exercise_tool

Is it any good?
Can I masturbate with that?

It has potential c]:----)

yeah dude, you get that thing going fast and it's a hard-as-fuck workout on your forearm

pain is weakness leaving the body

I played 18 years 5-6 hours a day with 5cm/360 heavy ball mouse tense as fk with wrists kinked at 45 degrees over the corner of my desk.

No wrist pains.

My brother spent 3 years casual computer usage barely gaming other than nintendo stuff and he has Cubital Tunnel Syndrome really really bad. It's from his wrist up his neck. The doctor didn't help. Surgery didn't help his friend with the same problem.

DO NOT RISK THE PAIN.


Now that I got both arms on the desk, I find myself moving positions a lot naturally...

It's from his wrist up his neck.

what do you mean by this?

has he tried to treat triggerpoints in the tense muscles, which are causing pressure on the cubital tunnel nerves?

It means that even sitting in a car can trigger intense pain fro his wrist up his neck.

I don't know what he has tried.

ok, i had understand it as if it comes from his wrist at his neck.

high sens master race

ultimate solution:

THE TUG TONER

Looks slightly gay.





Just slightly.

Just dont force yourself using a certain grip...just use what youre using when you dont pay attention and it doesnt hurt.

I also tried to fix my grip style etc. when i got my Kana v2...and it hurt pretty badly...then i just held it like not paying attention, and voila...its all good.

But if it hurts permanently, the shape probably isnt made for your hand, get something else.

sounds like his problem is that when he doesn't pay attention, he ends up using that grip...and then it hurts. so it's likely he has some bad muscle habits developed that need to be consciously corrected, so i think it's good he's asking for help with that (shows that he's aware there's a need to make a change).

a chair where you can lay your elbow is not that bad either ...
personally I had pretty good experiences with ergorest, although I don't use it for several years, because I am not gaming so much ...
but I could go back to it anytime ...

concering mouse, just go to a big electronics market where all the good mice lay around and you can get a grip on them ...
its how I found the razer death adder, which fits my hands perfectly ...
try before you buy

I broke both my wrists quad biking years ago, when it comes to winter time or when it gets cold they kind of lock up, what I generally would do is stretch them before playing, like bending backwards, forwards and grip the actual wrist joint and it helps.

Also exercise, you don't need to lift some serious weights, just do some push ups and pull ups to try and help build the flexibility and strength up in your wrist/forearm.

:)

QUAD BIKING. Butchering pedestrians.

Peasants****

I returned the g100s. I think the shape was not for me. I'm getting a zowie AM in the mail this week so hopefully that works :}

I took a few days off from gaming to rest my wrist, but I still feel soreness. I can play without causing pain, but my wrist aches. Am I hurting myself by continuing to play? I stretch often now.

Make sure to be rested and relaxed. Make a pushup or lift a bit like sTPHN said.
After sitting for days at work and using mouse in shitty position it went from no problem (I never had problem with wrists) to feeling tension and bit of pain after longer sitting.
When I thought I recovered... I didn't ;)
It doesn't hurt but it gets fatigued faster than it should.
Keep it slow.

I was in the same boat thinking that the g100s wasn't for me, I've got a zowie AM and I used a whole 3x due to the shape. :( it's too smooth and gripping it sucks.

As for those aches, I think you should start cutting out sugar completely, or at least ween yourself off it, and keep yourself hydrated at all times.

You should also maybe look into doing a water fast/detox (7days) it'll really help you out.

I'll try to limit sugar, but what's the logic behind this? Hydration isn't an issue. I drink plenty of water 8)

Depends on how long you do it but here's a

long version;

Stage 1 (Day1-2)
On the first day of fasting, the blood Sugar level drops below 70mg/dl. To restore the blood to the normal glucose level, liver glycogen is converted to glucose and released into the blood. This reserve is enough for a half day. The body then reduces the basal metabolic rate (BMR). The rate of internal chemical activity in resting tissue is lowered to conserve energy. The heart slows and blood pressure is reduced. Glycogen s pulled from the muscle causing some weakness. The first wave of cleansing is usually the worst.
Headaches, dizziness, nausea, bad breath, glazed eyes and a heavily coated tongue are signs of the first stage of cleansing. Hunger can be the most intense in this period.


Stage 2 (Day 3 to 7)
Fats, composed of transformed fatty acids, are broken down to release glycerol from the gliceride molecules and are converted to glucose. The skin may become oily as rancid oils are purged from the body. People with problem-free skin may have a few days of pimples or even a boil. A pallid complexion is also a sign of waste in the blood. Ketones are formed by the incomplete oxidation of fates. It is suspected that the ketones in the blood suppress the appetite by affecting the food-satiety center in the hypothalamus called the appestat. You may feel hungry for the first few days of the fast. This effect is temporary. The desire to eat will disappear. Lack of hunger may last 40-60 days.
The body embraces the fast and the digestive system is able to take a much-needed rest, focusing all of its energies on cleansing organs and the lungs are in the process of being repaired. Periodically, the lymphatic system expels mucoid matter through the nose or throat. The volume excreted of this yellow-colored mucus can be shocking. The sinuses go through periods of being clogged, then will totally clear. The breath is still foul and the tongue coated. Within the intestine, the colon is being repaired and impacted feces on the intestinal wall start to loosen and are autolyzed.



Stage 3 (Day 8 to 15)
On the latter part of an extended fast, you can experience enhanced energy, clear-mindedness and feel better than you have felt since childhood, On the downside, old injuries may become irritated and painful. This is a result of the body’s increased ability to heal during fasting. If you had broken your arm 10 yrs before, there is scar tissue around the break. At the time of the break, the body’s ability to heal was directly related to lifestyle. If you lived on a junk food diet, the body’s natural ability to heal was diminished.
During fasting, the body’s healing process is at optimum efficiency. As the body scours for dead or damaged tissue, the lymphocytes enter the older-damaged tissue secreting substances to dissolve the damaged cells. These substances irritate the nerves in the surrounding region and cause a reoccurrence of aches from previously injured areas that may have disappeared years earlier. The pain lasts as the body is completing the healing process. The muscles may become tight and sore due to toxin irritation. The legs can be the worst affected as toxins accumulate in the legs. Cankers are common in this stage due to the excessive bacteria in the mouth.



Stage 4 (Day 16 to 30)
The body is completely adapted to the fasting process. There is more energy and clarity of mind. Cleansing periods can be short with many days of feeling good in between. There are days when the tongue is pink and the breath is fresh. The healing work of the organs is being completed. After the detoxification mechanisms have removed the causative agent or renders it harmless; the body works at maximum capacity in tissue proliferation to replace damaged tissue. While a short fast will reduce the symptoms, a longer fast can completely heal. Homeostatic balance is at optimum levels. The lymphatic system is clean except for a rare discharge of mucus through the nose or throat. After day 20, the mind is affected with heightened clarity and emotional balance. Memory and concentration improve.



Stage 5(Day 30 to ?)
(Breaking the Fast with the genuine return of Natural Hunger) Shelton.
The Breath, which during all or most of the fast has been offensive, becomes sweet and clean.
The Tongue becomes clean. The thick coating which remained on it throughout most of the fast vanishes.
The Temperature, which may have been sub-normal or above normal, returns to exactly normal, where it remains.
The Pulse becomes normal in time and rhythm.
The Skin reactions and other reactions become normal.
The Bad Taste in the mouth ceases.
Salivary Secretion becomes normal.
The Eyes become bright and eye sight improves.
The Excreta loses its odor. The Urine becomes light.

The primary indication that the fast is to be broken is the return of hunger; all the other indications are secondary. Often one or more of these secondary signs are absent when hunger returns, but one should not refrain from breaking the fast when there is an unmistakable demand for food, merely because the tongue, for example, is not clean. Inasmuch as all the signs do not invariably appear in each case, do not hesitate to break the fast when hunger returns.

Sounds like new age bullshit.

Nice comment considering that you've probably never done anything like this before. The trollery is intense!

I prefer evidence based treatment.

That's too bad then,

the trollery cannot get any more intense when a guy comes up on esr and opens up a post just to let us know he's not even fit enough to play video games, and his little arm is hurts.

Next you'll probably say that meditation is part of the illuminati, thinking positively is bad for your health, being friendly will give you ebola and being a dick makes you live twice as long. Oh the joys of the interwebs.

would you like to buy some of my freshly stocked snake oil?

No thanks!

I tried this and I think I hit stage 5 within a few hours.

you use fingertipgrip, so the shape shouldn't have that much of an influence if you don't go from one extreme to the other.
the AM has alot stiffer buttons tho, and that can have a bad effect.
you wrote that you felt the pain up in your forearm, when you touched that area, so you have to treat the area there, until it doesn't hurt anymore.
your wrist problems will persist, until you got rid of the problems in your forearm.

Go to a clinic. You may be totally screwed.

i suggest you study fatal1ty, toxjq, czm, evil, gitzzz (from UT) or winz's playing posture, probably cooller and rapha (their wrists also don't touch the mousepad)


be as relaxed as possible when aiming (ofc tensing your arm give you more control and way better aim, but at the end of the day your goal is longetivity and consistency)

so do you give up some percentage at the cost of comfort, or vice versa, you choose....everything comes with a price

PS i still don't understand how cypher is able to last that long with his awkward mouse grip

zero4's playing posture is also fucked up

PICS or it didn't happen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YciwVDo2jnE

it's a mystery how his wrists have been able to survive that long same goes with cypher

doesn't look too problematic.
it would be worse, if he had the elbow higher than wrist.

he has to have higher than 30 cm/360. i use 46 and it's impossible to play like that; not only is it uncomfortable, but you simply don't have enough range of motion to keep tracking without compromising your aim to reposition the mouse.

e: actually it's 99% because the chair/desk setup they had was complete shit. i doubt he plays like that at home.

how is that problematic? it really depends on your sens and how you grip your mouse, claw/fingertip + mid/high sens with some accel and it's not a problem at all.

http://youtu.be/qRcTyut4Wp8?t=5m27s
The unkind posture. <3

That's one of the most comfortable postures for PC gaming (which in itself is unergonomic as fuck)

Play through it and don't fuck with evolution niggarrrrrrrr.

I play on fingertip at 70cm/360 and the best way to do it is to push your monitor, keyboard, and pad back on the desk and rest your arms on the desk itself. I still find I have to warm up for at least 10-15 minutes on some kind of test map no matter what game I'm playing because it is a huge amount of movement for me with my sens. My wrist had issues in the past when I didn't do this and didn't push my peripherals back. So this would help. Warm up and move your peripherals back, then push your chair all the way in. Give that a shot.

I tried the AM. The side grips do not allow me to easily pick up the mouse so I went back to the g400. I have moved my monitor, keyboard, and mousepad to the opposite side of my table. I place my mouse forearm and elbow on my table and my keyboard forearm on my table (not enough space for my elbow). I'm still getting wrist pain.

Maybe I need to play with my wrist off the pad? Maybe using a g400 has given me a terrible grip? I have no idea. I just want to game ;_;

Go to your local store and see if you can get a compression bandage, it's like a tubular bandage you'd slide your arm into, for your wrist as it adds pressure to the arm, I've found that works for me as well.

http://i.imgur.com/6kIQn0g.jpg?1

just played with g400 and elbow on table. still having pain. no idea why.

has anyone tried playing like this: http://i.imgur.com/RiriDSF.png

No trolls, I actually tried mouse/pad on lap. Took my drawing board and just placed it on my lap with correct typist posture and it was surprisingly comfortable and low strain on the whole arm.

Try to play less for start so your wrist can recover.

because your muscles in your forearm are still tight, and won't recover from themself.
just grab your forearm, and massage the hurting area with your thumb.
remember, you found it hurting there too, not only your wrist.
...

Read everything here (it will help alleviate the symptoms, if not cure your problem):

http://www.tendonitisexpert.com/

and check your diet (my problems with wrists started because of really bad diet based on snacks, junk food and lots of soda, as well as skipping meals and eating only in the evenings).