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Wmo problem and replacement (37 comments)

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Posted by nub_ @ 02:34 CST, 19 February 2015 - iMsg

I've been using wmo for years but since moving to new hardware I can't get it to work on 500hz (win7 x64). I've tried following the steps from ngohq, esreality, various YouTube videos, forums etc. and nothing works. I either end up with same 125hz or I end up with dead mouse that I get working again through device manager.
After digging a bit of info on my problem I found that it could be mobo related (asrock z97 extreme4), and that the way to solve it could be disabling USB 3.0, although mouse was and will be plugged in 2.0 port. I can't disable it since I need 3.0 ports.

Anyway, I'm thinking of buying a new mouse.

I would like to have:
- similar shape to wmo
- softwareless 500hz and 400 or 800 dpi (I don't like that junk that comes with a lot of mice, or at least I would like to keep that at minimum)

Any recommendations?

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<< Comment #1 @ 01:19 CST, 20 February 2015 >>

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Anonymous (108.31.122.225)

Zowie FK1/FK2
Zowie EC2-a if you want the exact same size but palm style

<< Comment #2 @ 03:01 CST, 20 February 2015 >>

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nub_

Thanks. I've read that zowie mice have problems with laggy buttons, so I would like to avoid that.

After going through flawless sensor list this is the shortlist:
- steelseries kana v2 (almost the same shape as wmo, 800dpi works great, but high lod which can be solved with tape I hope)
- Logitech g100s (good lod, cheap, 1000dpi which is somewhat ok, but smaller size)

I'm thinking of getting kana v2. Are there any issues with it? Is g100s any good?

<< Comment #4 @ 03:45 CST, 20 February 2015 >>

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douille - Reply to #2

Kana V2 has ~20 ms button lag like the kinzu v2&v3. And as the sensor is placed way back, aiming feels a lot different than with the wmo. Lod can be fixed with tape indeed.
Can't talk for the g100s, but i have a G1 and I don't like it (feels too "fat" for my hand)
Zowie fk : don't like the weight distribution
Zowie EC2A does it for me but I used to clawpalm the wmo so it's close to my grip style

About the 500hz stuff, did you manually sign the .sys files for x64 systems (or heck, all of them just to be sure!) and the .inf before installing ? It did the trick for me. (test mode > reboot > sign all > reboot > install > sign in win folder > reboot > test if enabled and if not re-set 500hz and reboot )

<< Comment #5 @ 05:37 CST, 20 February 2015 >>

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nub_ - Reply to #4

Yeah, I did all that and signed both .sys files. I tried every possible guide. I'll try again today. I would just like to save me the hassle and find a good mouse now, since it's impossible to change the polling rate in win8 and above anyway, and I don't plan on staying on win7 forever.

<< Comment #6 @ 06:13 CST, 20 February 2015 >>

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douille - Reply to #5

Then I can't help you :(
Anyway even with 500hz I got rid of the wmo: the mousewheel randomly activating and the lack of side buttons got on my nerves after a while

Oh and also lately I tried the g302 which is an awesome mouse for pointing but not so much for tracking. Also not so comfortable for everydays life. But worth considering as it feels less fat in hand than the g1.

Depending on your grip i'd go for ec2a if clawpalm on the wmo or g302 if you fingertip it (palm on the mat)

<< Comment #33 @ 10:02 CST, 7 March 2015 >>

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lewl - Reply to #2

i have read that the new versions of zowie mice i.e 2014 versions don't have button lag. what annoys me though, is that their hardware usb rate is not stable, but rather fluctuating between 300-700hz so the average is around 500hz. that's why i still rather use hidusbf fix.

<< Comment #3 @ 03:21 CST, 20 February 2015 >>

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maza

At least the older deathadder 3.5G was perfect if you don't mind its weight!

<< Comment #7 @ 01:15 CST, 22 February 2015 >>

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dogja

the aurora is a fine wmo replacement, try not to mess with the drivers if u get it tho, drivers fuck up the mouse big time

<< Comment #12 @ 12:09 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #7

All of them have a 50ms delay between left and right click, so if you jump with mouse2 then you can't rocket jump in quake lol.

<< Comment #14 @ 12:29 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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horf - Reply to #12

Errh, it's a 50ms delay between any click, but yeah, same effect.

<< Comment #17 @ 16:58 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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nub_ - Reply to #14

So buttons don't lag when pressed separately, but they lag if I press them at the same time? i.e. it's impossible to press a button with less than 50ms between clicks?

Seems like it's impossible to find a perfect mouse.. I mean, even the almighty wmo isn't perfect, but most important things work flawlessly

<< Comment #19 @ 18:34 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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horf - Reply to #17

buttons cannot be pressed after one another without waiting 50ms.
if you click once there is no lag, but if you spam any button the next button if actuated earlier than 50ms after the initial button press will have to wait until that 50ms finishes to register.

The main issue as far as quake goes is that this feature is not split across the buttons so if you jump with mouse2 it's either a perfect RJ or WAAAAY off.

It might be bad for button spamming in MOBAs and RTS, I know I can tap with around 25-35 ms between taps with one finger

But yeah, the aurora, if you can get past that issue is one of the better mice on the market by a longshot.

<< Comment #21 @ 20:01 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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odellus - Reply to #19

you don't spam both buttons in moba, just right click, so it doesn't matter.

<< Comment #22 @ 20:44 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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horf - Reply to #21

No idea, I don't actually play mobas.
Also, you can spam the same button the next press will be delayed too.

Edited by Rauvz at 20:47 CST, 26 February 2015

<< Comment #23 @ 20:52 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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odellus - Reply to #22

wow you're right, wtf. i thought it was just delay between different button clicks. i played some games of lol and it didn't affect anything, though.

<< Comment #24 @ 20:54 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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horf - Reply to #23

Yeah, I have very little moba experience, it's just something that I thought MIGHT creep up.

<< Comment #29 @ 06:14 CST, 27 February 2015 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #23

You didn't even notice you play shitty game ]:=}

<< Comment #30 @ 14:24 CST, 27 February 2015 >>

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odellus - Reply to #29

i had already been playing lol for two or three years before dota 2 came out, not my fault! dota 2 is shitty too anyway, it just has a shinier facade.

<< Comment #31 @ 01:17 CST, 28 February 2015 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #30

Never played dota2 but you are probably right :F

<< Comment #25 @ 03:24 CST, 27 February 2015 >>

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nub_ - Reply to #19

I've been using space for jump forever so I don't know, probably could get away with it. I only play quake "seriously"

<< Comment #35 @ 07:44 CDT, 17 March 2015 >>

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StillBlaze - Reply to #19

Its near impossible to click at 25-35ms intervals, go do any testing

<< Comment #37 @ 08:46 CDT, 17 March 2015 >>

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horf - Reply to #35

Please play some fighting games, 25-35ms is my upper limit on one finger, if I double tap with two fingers I can get that consistently, I know this because of VF4's training mode, and how much leniency I tend to get because of it in fighting games.

<< Comment #8 @ 03:13 CST, 25 February 2015 >>

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nub_

G100s or ninox aurora?

G100s seems to get a lot of hate for build quality, and Aurora has some button and drivers problems. Btw what are the default dpi steps for aurora?

<< Comment #9 @ 03:43 CST, 25 February 2015 >>

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ewh - Reply to #8

800,1600,4000

Edited by ewh at 03:43 CST, 25 February 2015

<< Comment #11 @ 12:03 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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Anonymous (143.200.140.50) - Reply to #9

If you're used to using 400 cpi, do you think it's okay to use 4/11 windows at 800 cpi? 800 @ 6/11 is too high for me :/

<< Comment #16 @ 13:06 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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odellus - Reply to #11

i think lowering windows sensitivity is fine, raising it is what's bad.

<< Comment #27 @ 04:41 CST, 27 February 2015 >>

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Vido - Reply to #11

Lowering the windows sens didn't cause any issues for me. However increasing it made the cursor skip pixels like crazy.

<< Comment #15 @ 13:05 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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odellus - Reply to #8

aurora. g100s's lmb will stop working in less than 6 months, and the aurora's sensor feels so much better. just don't install the drivers. bst posted a guide on how to fix the buttons if yours has that problem (although i couldn't do it because it felt like i was going to break the mouse when trying to unclip the button clips :((, and you can change the cable out if you don't like that either.

Edited by odellus at 13:09 CST, 26 February 2015

<< Comment #10 @ 11:45 CST, 25 February 2015 >>

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The Zowie AM has a very similar shape to the WMO.

<< Comment #13 @ 12:29 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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horf - Reply to #10

IMO*

<< Comment #18 @ 16:58 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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nub_ - Reply to #10

Zowie mice apparently have significant button lag

<< Comment #20 @ 19:20 CST, 26 February 2015 >>

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jigglywiggly - Reply to #18

Can't be more than the WMO.

<< Comment #26 @ 04:26 CST, 27 February 2015 >>

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douille - Reply to #18

Not EC-A series and lastest FK 1 & 2

<< Comment #28 @ 04:50 CST, 27 February 2015 >>

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horf - Reply to #26

FK1 does, at least the one I had.
So I wouldn't trust the PCB in the FK2 because common sense dictates that they would use the same PCB.

<< Comment #32 @ 07:23 CST, 7 March 2015 >>

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nub_

I can't get Aurora delivered to me (Croatia), so it seems like I'll be getting g100s :/

Edited by nub_ at 08:29 CST, 7 March 2015

<< Comment #34 @ 08:07 CDT, 14 March 2015 >>

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Takastas scroll wheels suck

I need a real mouse! halp

<< Comment #36 @ 07:49 CDT, 17 March 2015 >>

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StillBlaze - Reply to #34

everything i see looks pretty close to WMO but then you read a bunch of shit and ppl say they not even close to being same shape or size let alone performance.

Sensei, Kana V2, Zowie AM

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