Should be noted that fnghz (former clan mate!) uses an odd key config of sd strafes, m2 forward and shift as back.
A few players throughout quake history have done alright with a similar setup, but it's an unusual one. Gives a lot of stability at the cost of lowering finger mobility for other keys.
I have played in EU on a number of occasions as well as watched a few more EU iCTF matches then I care to admit. You aren't better than Silencap, kyzer, Mgee or even Spa1re for that matter. So how was my statement clueless? If you were to rank the top 10 iCTF EU players you wouldn't make it either. You play very lose and often are out of position and don't have much map awareness, move about as well as a blind kid that has MLS so you rely solely on your aim and your teammates to carry you. You aren't a difference maker on that team the way the others are. They could sub you out with many other players and do just as well if not better. Again this is solely my opinion.
ictf-stats.com/players/rank tracks iCTF games. As to whos the best its all matter of option but sh0g, naKed, Silencep, zoticx, sotrix are some of the very best.
lol, sh0g has been playing for ages, his nick was kratos during the OSP CTF CB years. He's good but not close to be one of the best. He's probably the worst teamplayer I played with.
I created ictf-stats, and was tracking players for a while.
sh0g might be really bad team player, but definitelly not cheat (imho) what happened is that someone waited for his account to expire (that was around dec 2014 / jan 2015, then started playing with obvious aimbot (again, im no longer in the scene, that is info i got)
Not true. You seem to not understand that the original question was who's the best Insta gibber in QL. As it already been pointed out just becuase you can rail in CTF or CA doesn't mean you'll dominate in iCTF as it plays a lot faster. It's a different gametype and like someone has previously mentioned there's no item mismatch to exploit. If your a top player in another gamemode odds are some of those skills will translate to other game types but won't necessarily mean you're the best at it. Back in Q3 when c9 (arguably the best team of all time) was winning everything they tried their hand at iCTF and while they enjoyed some success they also gotten embarrassed a few times and we far from being the same team.
The question you're trying to ask is who the best railer in QL is and thats very different from who the best Insta player is.
That site is about as accurate as QLranks is, it's practically the same just for iCTF players. It calculates ALL games played in iCTF from pubs/pickups/scrims/matches and pools them together.
CA/CTF players may have an easier time transitioning to iCTF then vice versa but again it still doesn't mean they'll dominate nor be a top player in it. Fucking czm joined a iCTF team the year before he won qcon to work on his railing. He played for Railgods under the name JoeSlick and obviously he was very good but he wasn't even the best player on his own team. That RG team placed 4th in that league they played in with czm as mid.
You're right as you can't really rail dodge in QL like you used to beable in Q3 OSP due to the netcode change. Having played competitive CA and iCTF games in QL theres no question iCTF plays faster. It's up and down the map with flick rail shots and controling spawn points. 1 shot and you die and respawn and somtimes you'll kill the same guy 3 or 4 times coming in and out of the base with the flag and they can kill you just as easily off a fresh spawn unlike in CTF. CA is about runnng to point A or point B and doing as much dmg as you can before you die. It's more aim than teamwork based.
Of course this is based on iCTF without any variation to gameplay setting as that's what most "insta players" played in Q3 to QL.
Excessiveminus, 2009 (before it went full retard):
Trance (Mr Florin), TorZelan (Mr Sandberg), drill, Rage(Ziggypoptastic)
Subs: Bert Harding Crat Marfuz NotSaulAtAll)) Laktos
Noghost:
Tozzi, ASD, Arronax, Phil, Nemisis
InstaUnlagged (i think I might have this mixed up with uFreeze as well):
DannyF, Loxotron, Ultima, XenoN
QukeLife Freezetag:
AIDS funnyb NooD (pavlik=men)) ) x2v
#2 overall is ani cos basically he's easily top10 in all of these apart from e- which he didn't play at the time.
And top1 overall is AIDS cos ng+QL lists and also is so good he normally gets silver AND gold in most tourneys he's in cos multiclanning is how we roll (soz Ken this top1 shit is like being given the "smartest guy in retard hospital award" but u r shameful e- mozg anyway, at least be best at it)
p.s. am not even mention QL iCTF cos shit discipline for infidels ASININE ONE CLICK ONE HIT SHIT AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO TIME ANYTHING
Edited by ShadyVoltaire at 09:01 CST, 20 February 2015
Is e- from 2009, I dont think lazeryonly even existed at the time and everyone else on that list (apart from Bert who was hobo princed by that retarded Serbian chick into lazery-only in 2013 and Mr Sandberg who was in team list of #pizdec4life for that one cup that year) hasn't even heard of it.
Am was edit nick anyway, is better? )))
Edited by ShadyVoltaire at 09:05 CST, 20 February 2015
Well Mr. Importance. Not only I don't believe the absence of your balance problems, but I do believe that anything you say is less worth than anyone else with an opinion like yours.
Tell us more about what is Quake, please, I bet everyone is so eagerly waiting for your teachings and your praised 'valuable' opinion...
I will give a piece of my opinion on the importance of you, I think you are pathetic and nobody should listen to you at all.
Why don't you have a tournament? It seems a reasonable way to figure out who is the best. Personally, I wouldn't have any interest in it but I'm sure others would.
tbh i find esr really funny to read and post on :D
on a more serious note; it doesn't matter who the best "player" in instagib is, also there isn't just instagib, there is iCTF and iTDM aka iFT in q3 noghost. afaik, best instagib team in ql atm is d1, but the instagib scene used to be conquered by synergy before most teams decided to ragequit)))
instagib might not be a big aspect of ql, but its definately a part of it. plus, i don't think regular allweapon players can deal with our railgun at all ^^
I guess it is not always easy to unmask a player who uses wh...just look demo vs italy and poland... (i know is a waste of time) but is pretty clear whereas he was always an average player
I never seen the Campers Crossing Video before some really laughable pretty damn obvious moments in there. Lucky QL rarely bans anymore. Surprised your admins allow him to continue to play.
eyek0n u are welcome to ask any NA team to challenge us, i know both scenes as i have played in both eu and usa scene in q3. most good insta players come from there. but i dont believe they are better than us, our team is too complete for that.
You guys are good. Just not better then some of Sot's teams or naKed/zoticx teams were. Which pretty much killed the NA sense as nobody could compete with them. The NA vs eu thing wouldn't work as most of the better NA iCTFers are from the westcoast and given they would be forced to play on NY where they would ping 90-130s for a "home server" and high 200s on GB it wouldn't work out.
There was a NA vs eu cup before and the NA side won based on points and didn't even field many of its top players out side sot and Infin1ty. You put naKed, zam, ele, ice9, whaz, airrick, marky and wn on there it woukd have been ugly. Keeping in mind all thoes players are from Q3 and many have played with eachother for over 10 years.
The story we got is he was banned for account sharing as he had bought some QL prem/pro accounts for friends and one of them tried to hack and in got the accounts banned. He was supposed to play for us (osx) in WGA at the time but was away and hadn't been on QL in a few months prior to the banning talking with people that know him. Since then he has played on that zoticx account and hasn't hid who he was even putting in on his account.
MD5 and Glow did download a hack on alias accounts and have both admitted in doing so. Both were banned for blatantly hacking on those accounts. They both were convinced that most of the QL community were hacking and wanted to try and out the problem in their own moronic way. That had nothing to do with Inf ban as it was 2 1/2 years after his? So how did he share hacks among them?
nm just looked at your account and it was Registered: 24 Feb 2015 with the sole purpose of posting in this thread oblivious troll. Also worth pointing out judging from your "list" and having durta on it which nobody in iCTF outside durta himself would count him as a top iCTFer theres a good chance your him.
From Q3 days, inf was pretty good, dutra, ckz (all from 1.16). airrick was great as well, naKed, kat, real1ty. Just to name a few of the top of my head.
Considering all the players i've played with, or just seen, in pickups and clanwars, imo some of the best EU players (aim + teamplay + game/map awareness) were: dafu (cenix), kyzer, zan, domy, hectic, ani, zyrinx, xzaero (hitting a lot with 90/100 ping).
From what I've experienced it's just the same people who rail rape in other modes like Zyrinx, Silencep, ani, etc. Dont think that I've seen anyone really standing out above them. Obviously there're some decent instagib-only players like ASD or zan, sad that they dont play proper QL which probably stops them from performing better.
NA didn't win based on points, it was a tie. furthermore none of my team members were in that game, neither could i be present at that time. it was just a team made up by cenix. so you can't really say those teams are better than d1.
would be fun if we could get a game going by the left NA players vs d1. let me know if u can arrange anything, if not theres no point in talking.
Wasn't a tie I have the demos. Despite having a huge ping advantage over all when factoring the difference between the players from the home games and away games that EU had over the NA team. Also the fact that pzOr hacked his ass off (railing 70 on w2 with a 140 ping) and the lack of over all talent on the NA side based on server selection and the dumb rules the EU admins came up with (15mins games and you could only play one player 3maps) the NA still won on point total (had a +3 cap total over EU) your admins being as embarrassed as they were had to dock the NA team for playing samer_ 4 maps and called it a *tie*
Team Rosters:
Team Europe (EU*):
1. Gfever
2. ani
3. sh0g
4. Misiek
5. vorcha
6. Mrniceguy
7. Smoggii
8. milambeer
9. pzOr
10. Kazan
Team North America (N.A.):
1. sotrix
2. infin1ty
3. samer_
4. mrgreen_
5. eminence
6. everkill
7. br1ck
8. cfebns
9. dom
10. splitshot
Only player I would sub in for the EU side would be Silencep. The NA side was pretty much sotrix's Plain Hate ph8:( team with out clampok and with Infin1ty and cfebns. They didn't have naKed, zamboni, whaz, airrick, marky, ice9, elementx, psygib.
If you really want to get beat go message sotrix and play them on a central server to see. 3 maps on GB 3 on CHI or ALT,
The statistics should be interpreted.
sh0g has always played in public servers with the worst garbage, he is the king in those situations, but in the cups or in recent tournaments has always been disappointing (as says lokaria) except for a blaze in the nation cup 2013 semifinal with sweden, in a fun siberia.
Someone has streaming demo?
wn/urgone is in a league of his own but he never played QL iCTF competitively. The rest of the CTFers you listed aren't better and never play it. The only 3 CTFers to have success in QL iCTF as far as in NA would be whaz, clampok and br1ck in that order.
Perhaps. wn/urgone was very good on mid/d. All those players are slow on offens however. cfebns wins hands down on speed and accuracy and whaz wasn't too far behind.
KGB isn't good at iCTF at all. You don't get weapon mismatches or armour stacks in insta. His teamwork has always been questionable at best. It's just not suited to his style of play and he gets exposed and has raged a few times. He isn't even the best railer in CTF.
Pretty much nobody would ever want to admit to being the best out of sheer embarrassment. It's for thoes not good enough for CTF the only thing worse than iCTF is CA.
There was a team that obliterated the entire instagib scene back in the days at around 2006 till 2009. They were Polish and played 1.32 version of instagib.
They fucked every clan out there, including my clan that was one of the best and clanbase cup winners at that time. We either came first or second. UC came down to noghost and raped the FUCK out of everyone that was considered the best.
Having played instagib for 6-8 years, i must say that there is no best player that conquered the entire scene during this time.
But currently in QL i must admit that A$D poses the biggest threat for any Ictf team out there. Teams usually shit their pants when he is holding the middle position of maps.
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After the clan Synergie went on a recruiting spree, they managed to get the best players from the best clans, hence the disappearence of a competitive Quakelive instagib scene.
Clans that holds good players in their roster usually attracts the best players out there, and synergie clan has a crazy roster with the most insane instagibbers i have seen.
Out of all the clans, only one clan could pose a threat to synergie and that was RE (royal-elite) clan that mostly consists of old-school railers. We never defeated them though.
I meant in Quakelive.
We came 2nd in the last iFT cups (even when clanbase was still open for business)
I have not touched noghost since late 2009 so i might be ignorant on what is happening there. But in QL iFT we had every chance to win them, and so did they.
I just remember that we always ended up second to Syn. In iCTF we did not even rank since we had no prior experience in that gametype.
BC was nothing when they entered the scene of noghost, it took them several years until they could make an impact and actually win something. Still syn has been continuously dominant for a long period of time.
But they are far from best because any formation of elo 2000 players in quake can ruin syn in pretty much any gametype. PhoneX and noctis's team proved that in a iCTF cup, where they ruined every clan in the instagib scene.
*more realistic (one shot one kill just makes sense)
*it is a great equalizer, everyone spawns ready to be 100% deadly, this means that you can't just camp red armor and mega and dominate everyone else and they have no chance.
*much faster paced game. Instead of running around to find your power-up (in ctf) or health or armor, you simply go and fight/capture flag.
*more exciting game play. There are more 'holy sh1ts' in ictf than in regular ctf I can guarantee that. And it can be very thrilling to go for the cap when someone is chasing you from behind knowing that if they catch up to you it's one shot in the back to ruin your run.
*although you are correct that insta takes away "small strategies of fighting" like resources management, it does highlight other strategies that are minimized when playing with all weapons. For example, strafing is HUGE in ictf. So is aim (obviously), dodging (making it hard for the enemy to rail you), sneakiness (because one shot kills you have to be creative about flag returns), and all around map knowledge. These, and a few others, are some of the skills that insta requires a high level of."
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Its ok guys, i'm just trollin you and havin fun while doing it. Respect other modes and mind your own business playing your game in mode that you prefer.
P.S. yes there were top duel and TDM players in iCTF.. and they showed very poor performance or just average ;)
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Anyone from Railgods dominated everyone else in quake3.. The1 was mentioned.. I still remember the red haired female model the1 used..mynx? DrizzT..Chaos.
I point to a time where quake was hot in insta, 2000-2002.
The next best clan would only have 1, maybe 2 people as good as their 3rd, and not even usually. They were truly in a league of their own..
Someone mentioned a bunch of ctfers you would see in pickups and such back in 2003.. Many were good but not comparable to trained insta elites.
What's this got on quake live? Idk, but strenx seems to be good from what I see. Only way to know is place these people in insta settings.