It would be impossible to fuck up tp to rail platform jump on aerowalk so it kinda sucks

i agree i want autohop for duel too.

I don't think it helped me even once and I remember getting doublejumped out of the blue.

All the things added around steam launch should be configurable separately, not just as a ruleset:
- hold jump to continuously jump
- hold forward and jump to gain up to 2x base speed
- loadouts
- global Ammo Packs
- in-world item timers
- Power-up POIs
- Heavy Machinegun
- damage number indicators

autohop should be default and not be capable of being disabled per gamemode/server, I agree, it's nice to have your KB not fuck up your movement

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It's also good that you can't legitimately complain about it, because if you don't want to use it...you don't have to.

Thank God for that.

Did you just complain about the fact you can't complain?

No. Read again.

You're pleased about the fact that you can't complain?

I can, and rightfully so I might add.

Just not with this stupid feature, since I can disable it in 2 seconds.

such rage :o

You should meditate :)

What rage? How about reading my posts as they are and not giving them pseudo-meanings?


On a sidenote, I guess you are completely okay with butchering the more-than-a-decade-old beloved game into smithereens.

noobs dont understand and dont care

This is a thread in which the majority of people are saying that the addition autohop is a good feature, I don't think that qualifies as butchering the game, personally.

By the "majority of people" principle, cow shit must taste good since 2 billion flies can't be wrong.

that is pseudo logic.

Statement 1) The majority of flies think shit is tasty Correct
It would be incorrect to extrapolate from this that:
Statement 2) The majority of people think shit is tasty incorrect

Also, if you're agreeing that the majority of people think that cg_autohop is a good thing, then surely it's a positive addition overall?

weak trolling is not enjoyable

That last message wasn't a troll though :(

Teach me da ways o masta

Look up the word "metaphor" in the dictionary.

I guess I'll drop it, because you do have a point, just because some people like it doesn't necessitate that it's a good thing. Although I think that depends on your definition of what is 'good' for quake.

Still, I feel that the majority of people think it's a good addition, so by any stretch of the imagination it can't be THAT bad.

you don't have to.

...

Thank God for that.

He is happy not to be forced to use autohop. That's all.

Yeah you're right, misunderstanding. (Legit not troll)

Kinda enjoyable going up stairs. Sometimes annoying, doublejump when you dont want to. Overall I'm ok with it, I play enough classic to not get too used too it :P

That's the only annoying thing about autohop. It's great, but I keep telling myself to not get use to it, since in duels I can't use it. If ID had it default everywhere, I would use it a lot more.

I think poor people make the best out of situations by making indirect demands.

It's such a minor thing, it doesn't matter. If it helps new players that's fine, however it's not useful to anyone who's been playing for a few weeks or months.

It should be enabled everywhere.

I never thought someone would actually believe that you can trick QL devs into something by using reverse psychology.

I think the option should be available in all game types, but I want the option, because it messes me up so I prefer to have it off.

hop really fun , i see implemented on xonotic , dont know; alwais can type cg_autohop 0 , for defragers returns are lazy finger , but really crazy and funny

On public servers only duel servers use the classic ruleset by default.

This is strange not only because of autohop but because of the fact that in every gamemode besides Duel you will gain speed just by jumping forward. So essentially Duel has different physics from the other modes.
The average player probably doesn't even know this.
Not very consistent or intuitive.

autohop imo would make the gameplay too fast. THe pros would learn to abuse certain situations like chasing with lg without strafing. It might be ok just for stairs though.

I don't understand where it could be abused. With autohop, you can technically jump fractionally faster than if you kept tapping the jump button, but why is this such an advantage? You could totally be right, I just can't think of any situations though.

If a pro wants to chase with lg without strafing as you say, without autohop all they have to do is tap jump. You struggle to do this?

cg_autohop is not the same thing as automatic acceleration from jumping. These are two separate things.

The only thing cg_autohop does is letting you hold down +moveup instead of having to click it for every jump. It has nothing to do with speed.

Automatic acceleration from jumping was introduced at the same time and allows you to accelerate just by using +forward and +moveup. This does not work with +back or +moveleft/+moveright.
This is enabled on all servers with the "standard" ruleset no matter if you have cg_autohop 1 or 0.

Ahh i see. Then i see no reason why not. It makes quake movement even sexier than it already is, which is one of the reasons this game is so damn great.

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timing the exact moment when you will hit the ground, minimizing the time +moveup is pressed is an essential part of strafing.

autohop is a disgusting abomination, and auto strafe isnt far off from it.


a mechanic that motivated you to strive for constant improvement and perfection has become the exact opposite..



im really interested how many of the changes that quake live brought was pushed on by the management for better numbers, and what was just syncerrors own stupid ideas.

Someone is butthurt because they only just learned how to strafe properly, and now there's a cvar that does it for them ;)

timing the exact moment when you will hit the ground, minimizing the time +moveup is pressed

I'm guessing holding jump with autohop works the same way as usual only the buffer doesn't go away after first contact with ground.

He might not know about the buffer heh.

sssh, let him be proud ;)

It's efficiency is NOWHERE near compared to GOOD movement skills. So no, the cvar does nothing that remotely resembles (or redeems) >proper< movement, which can be only acquired over rigorous practice.

yes it takes an incredible amount of skill to press mouse2 while you're midair and it's not just an unnecessary mechanic that only serves to give people rsi

when +moveup is pressed you do not accelerate, you can move your mouse left and right and try to catch all the right strafing angles, but its only effective when jump is depressed. anticipating when you will contact with the ground from whatever height and enabling you to jump again is kinda logical to be awarded.

one of the beautys of quake is the so many little aspects where you can aply precision to obtain advantage, its what creates the diversity between players and the enormous appeal and satisfaction of mastering something very difficult

I know all that. What I'm saying is that it's incredibly easy to learn. It took me a week to learn how to time my jumps and I can't even remember the last time I screwed it up. Probably because I never do, because it's so fucking easy. The game wouldn't change all that much if everyone had autohop forced to 1 across all rulesets and game modes, because not even sub 1300 eloers struggle with timing their jumps. All that would change is the comfort of the players. This thread isn't even asking for autohop forced to 1, but just to give the option if someone wants it.

There's a difference between noobifying and optimizing. Autohop is in the latter category.

I'm sorry but this is just wrong. If you ever tried to get the 7th strafe pad on raztrain_ql or ask any defrag player you would know just how important timing you jump to the exact millisecond is and how much of a difference it makes to your movement. These are not simple things your average 1600 elo player can do.

Again, I know that. Again, I'm saying it's not nearly as hard as you make it sound. It's just getting the rhythm down. There's nothing else to it.

also pros move faster because they know the geometry of a map better, you get that if you play the same maps over and over for years

My guess would be it's hard to be frame perfect.
Anyway, if you hold jump button with autohop ON does it work like perfectly timed jumps or the worse jumps possible?
I think it would be the latter.

on second thought you're probably right. I think i was confusing it with the timing of the flick instead of the jump. I'd be happy to see this cvar implemented to see how it works out.

you are mixing up things becasue you dont understand them... you can press jump long before touching the ground and have it pressed long after leaving the ground, but you wont ACCELERATE using STRAFING angles during the time that jump is pressed or crouch for that matter.

what you are talking about is only MAINTAINING the momentum with BUNNY HOPPING, that anyone can do because like i said you can press jump long before toucning the ground and you can be totaly of rhythm and still bunny hop. and quake is not flat, jumping from different heights you have to again anticipate and evaluate

precision is awarded as it should be, pressing crouch or holding jump after or before contact is unecesarry, unprecise and logicaly limiting.

this video ilustrates what im talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBCmdClVLwY



if you or earth_quake are still so sure in yourself and your timing, try this...bind this to your jump key instead: "wait;+moveup;wait;-moveup"

you will have to time your jumps to the exact moment you touch the ground, and not a moment before, like you could with +moveup. if you can cruise around like this, it means you have perfect timing which you will see you dont even remotly have.

I stand corrected

So I've been doing it wrong this whole time? Anyone else not know this?

Just tested and I couldn't hit one bridge to rail while excessively holding down jump. Also can tell I'm much faster when I try to tap jump as fast as possible.

Thank you for this bit of information

no matter how fast you're going, on a flat strafepad you have to hit jump at the same interval...so it's basically a question of automating your keypress. That doesn't require a massive amount of skill, let's be reasonable here. The skill is in the mouse movements.

The former.

Actually this is very true. When u watch the pros u will see they move way faster than ur avg player and it's not just in their mouse movement. I still think this noobifying cvar would be ok just on stairs though.

Cg autohop coild be the title of a quake porno.

I kinda like it, though it makes it easier to jump up stairs, I encounter double jump almost everytime I play... but I don't really mind.

But wasn't this kinda one of the things that "ruined" quake live? Seem to remember people complaining about it when the changelog was made official or unofficial, atleast before it was implemented.

If you don't want it, don't use it, then you could be all leet and stuff.
That's kinda hardcore, man!

\o/

You can't really go any lower than this.

It doesn't really make a difference to gameplay in my experience, if anything jumping in to a server without autohop feels a bit awkward for about a minute and then back to Quake as always..

Though as a person who uses space to jump on a mechanical keyboard my flatmates definitely appreciate it when I'm playing some casual 3am CA.