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Yeah I'll pass for now!

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/2...r-internet

I think I'll drop 3-4 stone fairly easy but I'm going for 6 stone in 6 months, will be a nice little bonus before xmas if I can pull it off.

she was probably on uppers like in requiem for a dream

I wonder what Schizm has to say about this.

Waiting for Lethe's professional opinion on all things Jamerio related, this one included.

lol

Losing weight in Faterio_Business stones.

Make sure to have a motivator who rly pushes you to your limits. 20 pushups? You can easily do 50 you know just gotta go beyond the point you would give up out of comfort. And keep doing em. You would be surprised how many reserves your body has. Just some advice from someone who found that he doesnt have the willpower to train efficiently on his own.

depending on his age, it might not be a good advice to try to learn how many reserves his body has

maybe is good advice until 30, but after some age, the health and injury risks are too big

I'm not talking about that kind of reserve that kicks in when you start to vomit. Lol. Just efficient training that makes you sweat a lot.

Start weightlifting 3 times a week and do some HIIT 4 times a week (20 minute sessions) and watch your diet.

do stronglifts 5x5 program (super easy, 40 minutes max)

you'll burn a lot of fat this way, also eat under your daily caloric maintenance limit and when you get down to 13-15% body fat (when you get skinny) you'll have some muscles and be ready to bulk up and become a beast.

Nice

sorry, u dont lose much weight lifting weights

you lose a lot more fat than doing cardio. when you do normal cardio or jogging you lose the weight while doing the activity. If you do weight lifting, you burn calories after the fact, even just sitting on the couch later on in the day.

If you do weightlifting + HIIT form of cardio you will melt the fat right off you like a george forman grill.

since when does lifting weights burn more calories than cardio? unless you're already strong, you're going to start by lifting light weights. so, imagine doing 60 reps of bench press @ 25kg over 30 minutes, vs running (moving 120kg - Jamerio's current weight) for 30 minutes...

and even if weights did burn more calories than cardio, since when is lifting weights going to provide the CARDIOVASCULAR health that means a better metabolism and more calories burned throughout the day, whether or not you lifted weights earlier that day?

it's not just about getting jacked, dude

If you keep the intensity very high, you can incorporate cardio into your weight lifting workouts. Just look at hitting legs, high reps on squats or leg press is cardio in itself as is super-setting different exercises combined with drop-sets.

normal cardio is garbage,the effort it takes is what makes people quit. If he does HIIT then he won't quit. It's just 20 minutes on a recumbent bike (easiest way) It hits you hard as fuck however you won't get bored and you won't give up.

My exercise routines are all really fucking easy,so people don't really even need will power to get through it. It becomes automatic. This is the best way to ensure success, especially for fat people.

I really DON'T like cardio for the sake of doing cardio. That's why I do HIIT if I need some cardio

When you lift you create muscle. Muscle burns fat. And lifting burns calories all throughout the day. He's not going to be making a lot of muscle since he's going to be eating under weight. So that's why I say to add HIIT ontop of this.

He's already fat though, so he cant start putting on muscle on top, he'd fucking fail. He's got to slim down first, which ultimately is about eating less than he needs to maintain his weight.

Actually lifting weights is the most intense exercise you can do in terms of burning fat. If you work with near maximal weight you will deplete your glycogen stores extremely quickly - which means you start burning fat faster. On the other hand, you do not need to train heavy to obtain the physiological benefits - its more about the intensity in terms of rest periods and training to failure.

Equally, the EPOC (calories burned after you finish) is massively more than cardio. Further, it will boost your metabolism due to the nature of the intensity and lastly, it will add muscle - which again inherently increases expenditure.

What you say is true, but considering the average person (or jamerio in this case), they're not going to be built, prepared, trained, or conditioned for the type of lifting you're talking about. You suggest someone that hasn't had a regular fitness program or coaching to go into the gym and start trying to squat 200 kg to start burning fat?? Didn't think so. So you'd probably have to agree that while I'm all for getting into lifting weights over time and learning good technique, form, etc., the average Joe will get much better returns (not to mention healthy habits - cardiovascular health is far more important long-term than getting swole) out of the gate if they incorporate a fair amount of cardio/aerobic exercise into their regular routine.

What you say here makes more sense, I was responding to the misinformation that weights are not more effective than cardio.

Even for the untrained and unconditioned I would still suggest anaerobic focused work since it has beneficial effects on body composition as opposed to strictly aerobic. But yes again, to utterly start out aerobic is better than nothing even if its just to build a foundation.

On the other hand, I never suggested one needs work with weights that they are incapable. Lifting capabilities are relative, and of course the utterly untrained and clueless on form etc would be suggestive to get help before attempting compound lifting.

http://www.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimed...itize.aspx

This link utilizes various studies to show both sides of the argument.

http://www.builtlean.com/2013/01/08/cardio-vs-weight-training/

This link is the very stance I take on any studies done to address the argument.

So pretty much reinforcing everything I've said?

Either way:

http://www.theptdc.com/2014/06/cardio-strength-training-fat-loss/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2991639/

http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioni...d-decision

http://www.simplyshredded.com/fit-with-hiit-s...ardio.html

All saying what your link concludes and what I suggest.

TL;DR Resistance training #1 priority, reinforced by HIIT and an effective diet.

Yes, that was the point. Our perspectives aren't so different, but resistance training being the number one priority is simply wrong. The majority of people don't go to the gym and even among those that do true benefits of resistance training are lost on those not guided to proper routines. Diet is the number one priority in health period and that's a fact.

Yes definitely diet is number 1 I didn't clarify that.

I guess its self-evident that ineffective training of any form means the majority of benefits will be lost. But glad to see we are in agreement.

cool dude, i think i misunderstood you to some degree :)

It won't be as much as say basing most of your activity around brisk walking for hours (That will shed weight off you incredibly fast but it isn't healthy at all).

I like your advice though because you want Jamerio to lose the weight, but hopefully not have too much excess skin by the end and hopefully still have a semi-appealing body when he does shed most of the weight off.

Another prime example of jamalz not knowing what the hell he is talking about. Fits very nicely into a jamerio thread.

Jamalz is right on this one. Do some proper research.

Do some basic research before acting like you know shit. He is wrong and so are you if you believe him.

1. "you lose a lot more fat than doing cardio" Wrong and backwards
2. "If you do weight lifting, you burn calories after the fact, even just sitting on the couch later on in the day." Not true in all cases. It depends on the intensity of the workout and is more closely associated with cardio routines, but can be done with lifting routines (uncommon).
3. "Weight lifting and HIIT" Different goals. If you want to get stronger, even gain weight, lift. If you want to lose weight, diet and cardio. Jamerio isn't looking for the first option.

There is enough information out there for anyone to know everything you need to know about diet and exercise. The people that parrot ignorant bull shit while being amateurs themselves are annoying.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/strength_train_fat_loss.htm

http://www.muscleforlife.com/high-intensity-i...ight-loss/

I lift 5x a week but I don't eat a lot of carbs (for my cut) so I don't need HIIT. If i'm bulking I use HIIT to help keep fat off me.

You use both depending on what you are trying to do. You know why so many fat fucks rebound and put on all that weight again? It's because when they just lose weight they still look like pudgy fucks. They get that skinny-fat body with loose skin all over themselves. It's fucking gross. They don't see any abs or muscles so they just eat and put all the fat back on again.

I tell all fatties to lift and do HIIT. They lift in order to get proper form and build habit and use HIIT to lose the fat. When they get slim, they still have proper form and look pretty good. So they then do some clean bulks and bam, beastmode.

This is the only true way to turn a fatty into a healthy person.

Okay. You have no idea what you're talking about still, but to each his own. If you're bulking you are at a caloric surplus and lifting as heavy as possible. HIIT once again is contrary to this goal. The fat is not a factor in a bulk whatsoever. The only true way to live a healthy life is for the individual to make the decision to do so. Everything else comes easy if the discipline is there to stick to any diet or workout.

Doing a completely clean bulk, measuring every fucking thing you eat is hard as fuck. That's why I dirty it up a bit and do HIIT to keep my fat levels in check.

You don't know this but all the fat cells you create, is fucking permanent son. When you lose fat they dont go away, they just fucking go inactive. If you create fat cells the first time, then its really easy to get back into a fatty. That's why you always clean bulk or else you'll pay for that shit in the end. For me I just HIIT when i'm feeling like im getting too much body fat percentage. It won't eat my muscles like you think as long as you have proper nutrition before and after doing HIIT. Instead it'll raise my metabolism and burn some fat cells. I do micro bulk and cuts instead of a whole cut/bulk regime. Depending on how I feel from week to week.

This way I stay baller as fuck ALL YEAR ROUND SON.

You don't know this, but adipocytes die. Save the science because it's irrelevant. Energy consumed and expended is all that matters for weight management in any capacity.

w/e nigga, i'll continue being jacked and sexy and you continue being a cunt who thinks he knows shit but never trained a day in yo life.

got better things to do than argue on the internet with a tubbo. peace

Yes, please go spread your ignorance elsewhere. It's what the world needs.

Yes spread his correct knowledge :)

Go back to bodybuilding.com to at least keep the ignorance contained.

Just contradicted yourself :) I'm not built, just more informed than you.

Just contradicted yourself. If you can't differentiate the obvious broscience crap in fitness or health, you definitely don't understand any of the finer details. Don't stop believing.

http://www.biolayne.com/contest-prep/best-for...ybuilding/

Its about body composition, HIIT if done correctly has anabolic effects, hell by definition weight lifting can be characterized as HIIT.

You don't need to lift as heavy as possible, there are various types of hypertrophy and the optimal means of gaining muscle is not necessarily going super heavy, progressive overload and training to failure at various rep ranges are demonstrated to be two central characteristics of muscle building.

If you had to choose weight vs cardio for losing fat, weights win every single time. There are multiple examples of bodybuilders who have shredded for competitions without incorporating ANY cardio at all. Combine that with an effective diet plan and you will lose fat and build muscle if you do it right.

Interval/circuit weight training is exactly what I was referring to in order to get the anabolic effect in a prior post. Body builders as examples are anecdotal evidence to the average person trying to lose weight with presumably zero lifting experience. Take that average person and the most effective means of losing weight is going to be diet and cardio. The goal isn't to build muscle, which actually impedes weight loss because of muscle gain itself. To say weights win every time also isn't supported on the average scale. The only time this argument can be made is when dealing in samples of trained individuals, where it becomes irrelevant because trained individuals have more specific goals than losing weight (for sports, getting stronger, body fat percentage, etc.)

Ultimately, it doesn't matter the path that is taken. The goal is what matters and that can be achieved in any number of ways, until one becomes experienced enough to have more refined goals. Speaking theoretically about the fastest way to naturally lose weight is all we're doing here.

so you quote two sources that have clear bias toward saying "weightlifting is better than cardio" (bodybuilding.com and muscleforlife.com)...I feel like there's an inherent flaw in the way you're going about that argument.

He is the type to believe everything he sees on such sites. He is also a pathological liar, so it wouldn't be surprising if he doesn't even.

this

lol at squats and deadlifts

Every pound you lose is that much less you have to tip those dirty hookers.


I went from 280 to 180 in 4 months by walking 6 miles a day and standing all day at work.
After that I drank a lot. I got hammered 5-6 times a week. Sundays were always a rest day.
So I hovered at about 215-220 for 2.5 years. i stopped drinking 1.5 years ago and now weight 170 lbs.
I don't eat as much either.

If you aren't sweating you won't lose weight.

Jamerio is fat

Noone is surprised

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what is your height

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zsx gave some good advice here: http://esreality.com/post/2473239/re-need-tip...pid2473239

also this guy at my uni claims to have lost 4 stone in 6 months just by cutting out bread, sugar and alcohol and drastically reducing his carbohydrate intake. i mean, even though he still eats tons of proteins, vegetables and fats, it isn't the most "healthy" way of doing things, but if you only care about burning fat and you're either too busy or too lazy to commit to regular training, it's an option at least. I would highly recommend regular exercise anyway though, simply because you feel so much better after doing it.

I wish you the best of luck, focus is the key to success.

That's solid advice zsx gave. I do my HIIT on a recumbent bike. It's fucking easy, just adjust the magnetic strip to high and go all out for a minute then rest for 30sec-1minute. You shed weight like a mofo, no need for sprints (sprinting up hill is THE BEST but fucking hard)

eat high fat/high protein/low carb diet (ketogenic diet, which is healthy)

cut out: soda/fruit juice/bread/rice/pasta/junk food

so eat like avocado,milk,cheese,nuts,fruits,vegetables, and meat. eat oatmeal + banana after you lift (your only carb of the day)
on non lift days dont eat any carbs, have 1 completely free day of exercise, no HIIT or lifting.

^^^^ for losing fat


It'll take you 2 years to get jacked naturally. 1 year to slim down to be thin with abs. 1 year to bulk up and be a boss.

Or 6 months to get jacked with roids. I wanted to use roids but i'm scared of needles. Once you build muscle, if you ever start losing it it's really simple to put back on. And 2 years training would get you to like %95 of your genetic potential. That means training for more than 2 years is basically overkill (women don't like super jacked guys, shit looks gross to them)

I think all men should weight lift for at least 2 years to get that baller physic. It's not fucking hard, you get a good hobby and everyone treats you better.

Wait, so you're saying restrict carbs if you want to build muscle?

Waaaa?

I'm talking about cutting/losing fat

Ah right, then everything you stated is correct, except for keto, not a big fan of cutting out a lot of carbs even if for weight loss but I have seen first hand the results it bears so I can't argue with it.

high fat diets > heart problems.

this is old research which is starting to be debunked.. people on keto diets can have lower cholesterol that those on regular balanced diet - alot of it is down to genetics, and how your body processes fat, and what sort of fat you are eating.. for example coconut oil contains lots of MCT oil, which is pretty much not absorbed by the body but passes straight through and is converted to a form of energy.

just my 0.02$

looking into it, found some interesting results that seem to back your claim up. I'm going to have to be really certain before I consider a high fat diet tho, the risk is just so huge.

I really struggled to get over that speed bump myself, having eaten v low fat for years, was difficult to break the way I thought about it.

PT in my gym put me on to it and I spent ages looking in to it beforehand, well worth considering though.

ok so I just had to re-learn how huge carbs are for me. Has such an immense impact on my workouts. Don't really see the point of trying to make my body adjusted to burning more fat for energy when the diet I'm on is working solidly. ~50% protein, 30% carbs, 20% fats, "clean food" + a protein shake / around 100-200 calorie deficit.

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he gave up everything within that domain, pretty much. He wanted to still have some kind of carb intake, so he limited himself to green vegetables, brown rice and berries. I'm not sure if he was actually bullshitting me, but his results were pretty convincing.

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you probably have insane metabolism like me

I cut out all carby stuff like bread, pasta and rice and I can eat like a pig and still maintain weight. If I actually worked out I would be ripped by now.

pretty much the same here. I'm not totally jacked or anything but I'd consider myself to be in pretty good shape, most of that just comes from diet and some light cardio.

Eating all that comfort food won't bring Vedic back you macochist.

Hi Vedic.

Eat less and Shit more..? = profit

Just weighted myself in boots, came in at 18st 9lbs on Boots scales so stuffing my face last night before the weigh in was a nice 'legal cheat' as I'm about 6lbs lighter than I was last night, assuming there is no problem with the scales I used last night.

£15 chinese take out and 4 pints of water FTW.

my dad pops down tonight to sort out some noobie PC problem and says he'll give me £500 for every stone (14lbs or 6.6kg) I drop

you need monies from papa?

sounds like there was no need from jamerio...it was something his father initiated. but i think you're probably just trying (and succeeding) to be a jerk.

Do high intensity cardio, doesn't really matter what.

Burn more calories than you intake, doesn't matter what you eat as long as you eat balanced.

Don't skip meals on a regular basis even on a diet.

Diet is hard only or lazy people who don't want to pay attention to how much they are eating.

Gold advice.

"Diet is hard only or lazy people who don't want to pay attention to how much they are eating. "

Basically this. It comes down to how much you want it like anything else in life. Even people with medical conditions like thyroid problems can still lose the weight, it's just most people use excuses like I hate to say it "fat acceptance" to justify their bad lifestyle.

high intensity cardio? what is that if I may ask ..
and how long?
20-30 minutes have no effect at all imho. ...
running begins to have an effect after 50 minutes ...
biking after 2.5 hours ...

What is no effect? Where have you heard/read this bullshit?

Fat is burned mainly in your muscles, you start burning calories as soon as your muscles start to work. Your body burns calories just to maintain a warm body for you.

learned this by experience ... I am an endurance athlete ...
30 min runnining, 1 hour bike, etc., NO EFFECT AT ALL my friend ...
Lance Armstrong wrote in his training book he wouldnt even take out his bike out of the garage for a 1 hour ride ...
You can reach a lot with eating habits or lets say being hungry all day, but you can also reach a lot with endurance sports ... but its more timeintensive, but yeah I dont really do endurance sports for losing weight, its just a nice sideeffect ... and cardio is endurance my friend, I dont think too much of all these people on their steppers/bikes that I see in fitness studio, its ok for warmup for weight lifting maybe, but not for losing weight ... some people really just come only for the cardio machines ... feel sorry for them they dont know any better

What no effect? I still have absolutely no idea what you are talking about anymore.

People loose weight or keep fit just alright with with an average of 2 hours+ of cardio weekly. I've done some research and 1 mile is more than 100 calories burned on average.

Obviously to push your body to become stronger requires so much time investment, but to loose weight you don't have to be an endurance athlete... so figure out what the hell are you talking about.

I've done some research

u betta get out there and train man

People loose weight or keep fit just alright with with an average of 2 hours+ of cardio weekly.

What do you consider fit? To me these people are not fit, u can say they are not couchpotatoes, but not much more ... I am not going to want you to look like a fulltime professional athlete (that do additionally dope) ... Id say sportive begins when you pull in 8 hours a week into sports ...

talking out of your ass.

depends where are you starting from. that may hold truth if you are well fit already.

I suggest you take meth. It's relaxing and effective. win-win

i lost 15kg and my diet was slow and long, that is to ensure that those kgs do not come back.

First thing first you need to get your body in a state so that it will loose weight. For that you need neutral ph in your body i drank for 14 days 2dcl of water with flat teaspoon of baking soda. Drink the appropriate amount of water for you bodymass, everyday!

You will detox faster, if you stop adding spices to food, remeber when spices cook for longer periods they give out toxins, very small amounts, but they are there to fuck woth your detox, anyway for quicker detox no spices, no garlic, no tomatos, no paprika, no onions.

The only spice that are good is fresh basil, marjoram add it at end of cooking. rosemary only in hot oil at start then take it out.

The most important thing is eat carbohydrates and sugars only in the morning and proteins thrue out the day, you can eat alot of meat! if you are hungry in the evening go eat meat or eggs. Stay away from dairy products. (goat stuff is ok)

Avoid white flour, eat fullgrain, less oil and when you go for oils go for coconut or regular butter, no margarine!

Anyway if you want some recepis very simple i can provide.

fuck ill be back, my electriction needs to cut the power.

lol noob, I lost 10kg in a week after some food poisoning and never regained it.

Base your diet around whole natural foods, fresh fruit, fresh vegetables lean cuts of meat.

Follow the late Jack Lalanne style of eating, don't purchase foods which have more than 4 ingredients. Keep it wholesome and natural and do physical activity 4-5 times a week for at least half an hour a day and be in a caloric deficit.

right on! those two simple things (eat healthily, exercise on a regular basis) are really all there is to getting in shape and staying there!

Jack Lalanne

ah that guy was a total legend. I'll never forget his quote "the only way you can hurt the body is to not use it". great stuff. :)

Damn right.



He was genuinely 50+ years ahead of his time, perhaps more. People are only realizing this now.

Towards the end of his life he based his diet around fruits, veg and wholegrains and the only meat he ate was strictly fish undercooked.

He lived and breathed his lifestyle and was genuine which is hard to find nowadays.

If man made it don't eat it, if it tastes good spit it out (c) Jack Lalanne

Never heard of ths guy. Interesting nontheless, especially for its time.

Dont agree with the fruit juice though. Whole fruit is superior by far. But that one juice a day is not gonna make or break you anyhow :)

I also agree with that, but as you say it won't kill you.

http://hasfit.com/

helped me losing weight and getting in shape. GL

Go Jamerio!

I need to put some weight on.

eat jameiros meat. win-win

jamerio would need to be skint first

HIIT is a "fitness" (weights only) nerds excuse to call a mile walk "cardio".

Mile walk, cardio, kek.

Real men do cardio. My philosophy is that if you have stamina, then there's nothing you can't succeed to train, or in this case loose weight in a efficient manner. Even better, do cardio now so you never get to the point of having to loose any weight at all.

That's what I said, see also anonymous reply below

ride a bike for 5 hours, ull lose fat like nothing

or any hard aerobic activity...

yep

it's pretty incredible how ignorant people are about diet and fitness in general. there are innumerable studies about what is effective. it's really very simple, but people get caught up in this 'your method is not as effective as my method, and so it is not adequate' competitive mentality, or they use an expressed desire to lose weight as an opportunity to indoctrinate somebody into their own lifestyle, so they lose focus of how important it is to start small, set goals, and develop a good foundation of habits that can be built on later.

caloric deficit = weight loss
more body movement = greater caloric expenditure

it's funny to see people arguing about how, since restricting caloric intake is difficult, people should just adopt high intensity workout regimens, as if going out and pushing your body to its limits is somehow easier than not buying and eating food. it takes less than a minute to eat 500 calories, but it takes 30 minutes of running at 5mph to expend that.

if a person lacks the self-discipline to refrain from even buying food, then they lack the self-discipline to adhere to an exercise plan. it's simple human psychological economical decision-making [1]. if a person cannot commit to eating less, then to put any effort forward to help them is a waste of your own energy, unless you are just looking for a masturbatory way to express the superiority of your uninformed opinions about human fitness.

the simplest, easiest method to lose weight, which requires the least effort, is to just not do the things that cause you to gain weight: buy and eat food. [2]

just to illustrate how far-fetched it is to preach exercise to somebody with the voracious appetite of a jamerio, if we assume that jamerio gained 20lb in 9 months, it would require roughly 4,245 minutes, based on the generally accepted benchmark of 3500 calories per lb of fat, of running at 5mph to remove that weight. that's 70.75 hours. at one hour per day, that's more than 2 months of running. can you imagine jamerio running 5mph for one hour per day? and that's assuming that he won't still be consuming a surplus of calories, even with the addition of exercise to his lifestyle!

when jamerio shows that he has the discipline and desire to restrict his caloric intake, then it would be a good idea to introduce him to training. until then, as we would with a toddler--of course, celebrate any initiative he takes to move--but focus more on keeping things out of his mouth so he doesn't kill himself.

i can't believe you would put someone down just for caring about their weight.

you should try the power of positive thinking. instead of saying you can't believe it, ask yourself, 'how can i believe it?'

In his defense I really care about the money :)

It's amusing to see you actually believe that your knowldege applies literally to everyone. 1) you're relying on soft sciences to make a hard decision 2) human behaviour wouldn't vary this radically if people only relied on economical decisionmaking

nobody has claimed that 'my' knowledge applies to literally everyone. said that 'people only rely on economical decisionmaking', and i don't even know what "you're relying on soft sciences to make a hard decision" means. what are 'soft sciences'? what is a 'hard decision'?

it's unfortunate that you're fat, son1dow, but if you would just restrict your diet with consistency, if you would force yourself to stay away from calorie-dense foods, you could see the benefits that come from maintaining a healthy weight

that should read 'i haven't said that people only rely on economical decisionmaking'.

your post certainly reads like you did, that's my point. You don't barge in, proclaim how ignorant everyone is, give your thoughts and expect them to be taken only half seriously. It reads like it was meant to be the words of a messiah.

soft sciences - psychology, economics. By hard decision I meant a strict, black and white kind of decision, rather than a greyish area decision which you ought to be making about what's true here.

you're fat, son1dow,

Projecting. AND literally wrong. I'm not sure if it's worse than just projecting, or just the same amount of stupid. But whatever.

my post doesn't read like i said that people only rely on economical decision-making, nor did i didn't barge in and proclaim how ignorant everyone is, and it doesn't read like is was meant to be the words of a messiah. these are things that you have injected into my post, which distract from the point. my words are there for you to read, exactly as they were written. i cannot even edit my post, due to being an anonymous user, so it will be easy for you to demonstrate otherwise. whether you like me or not is irrelevant, and totally dependent on the straw man you've crafted.

i think that you're confused by my use of the word 'economical'. see my response to davis below, who had an equally ridiculous understanding of what the point of my post was. you are totally and intentionally missing the point of my post, and instead choosing to make some awkward stance against 'soft sciences'. i've given some casual links to real scientific research, regardless of your opinion about an academic field of study that covers numerous other scientific fields and how research in those fields exposes human behavior. here are a couple more that are directly pertinent to the conversation:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1914185?origin=cr...b_contents

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15229331


are you sure you're not fat, son1dow? because i can also just pretend you are whatever i want to pretend you are, and then attack that for the sake of defeating the purpose of argument. :)

if a person lacks the self-discipline to refrain from even buying food, then they lack the self-discipline to adhere to an exercise plan.

Here's my proof. This statement is not correct for all people. It sounds like it is.

you calling an argument incorrect is not 'proof'. how is the argument false?

son1dow, i have used greater than an hour of my time to pseudo-formalize my argument, so that you will not be confused by my casual use of language. thank-you for presenting the opportunity to challenge my thinking.

here are my definitions:

1. 'self-discipline' is defined as: the ability to make yourself do things that should be done
2. work is defined as: activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result

here are my conditions:

1. the privilege of choice to refrain from purchasing food must be possible to exercise
2. the privilege of choice to participate in adherence to a recreational physical exercise plan must be possible to exercise

here are my assumptions:

1. weight loss is a desired result

here are my premises:

1. weight loss requires caloric deficit achieved through the behaviors of caloric restriction via diet or caloric expenditure via exercise
2. weight loss via dietary restriction necessarily requires less working energy than weight loss via exercise (definition 2)
2a. weight loss via dietary restriction via purchasing restraint requires discrete mental effort
2b. weight loss via physical exercise requires sustained mental effort and sustained physical effort
3. if what should be done is to reduce body weight (condition 3), then it follows that the behaviors necessary to reduce body weight require self-discipline (definition 1)
4. the discrete mental effort required to restrict caloric consumption to achieve caloric deficit is less taxing than the sum of the physical effort to consume and the mental effort and physical effort required to achieve similar caloric deficit via adherence to an exercise plan

therefore, if a person lacks the self-discipline to refrain from even buying food, then they lack the self-discipline to adhere to an exercise plan.

3. if what should be done is to reduce body weight (condition 3), then it follows that the behaviors necessary to reduce body weight require self-discipline (definition 1)

There is no condition 3.

maybe "if what should be done is to reduce body weight (assumption 1), then it follows that the behaviors necessary to reduce body weight require self-discipline (definition 1).

i moved assumption 1 from conditions list, iirc.

Yes now it makes sense. That your argument follows the rules of logical deduction however, does not mean the conclusion you make is valid. There might be people who value their habit to eat anything and any amount of food when they want to very highly, while at the same time have no problem to go out jogging, weightlifting or doing exercise every other day. This is what sonidow is getting at.

then it can be inferred from the argument that they possess the self-discipline to restrict their diets, but are not exercising it to do so.

Yours was a good post until you started demeaning Jamerio. We all like a good jab at him, but wtf dude, this is not the place or time. Let him get some motivation from this thread and leave your unhelpful bullshit for some other less meaningful post.

It doesn't affect me, if someone tells me I can't do something it just makes me want to prove otherwise :)

6 stone in 6 months is what I would like to do, but deep down I would be happy with 4. Anything less than 4 is a fail.

where did anybody demean jamerio?

"somebody with the voracious appetite of a jamerio" - maybe he just eats unhealthy foods, not necessarily a lot

"can you imagine jamerio running 5mph for one hour per day" - he's talking about putting forth a strong effort lose weight, so why is that so hard to imagine?

"as we would with a toddler--of course, celebrate any initiative he takes"; "focus more on keeping things out of his mouth so he doesn't kill himself" - so because he's overweight, we can assume his mind is on par with a toddler's?

Didn't take long to pick those out of the post...are you just trolling for an argument?

maybe he just eats unhealthy foods, not necessarily a lot

obesity is not achieved without eating to excess. unless jamerio is 6'8" tall, he's clinically obese. if jamerio is 5'10" tall, he is borderline morbidly obese.

he's talking about putting forth a strong effort lose weight, so why is that so hard to imagine?

do you know how difficult it is to run 1 hour per day, 7 days per week, at 5mph when you're 100lb overweight? do you just believe everything that people say, regardless of physics or biology? people can talk about whatever they want to talk about, it doesn't change what is physically possible. a 270lb man is not going to run 5mph for an hour. his lungs and heart can't even operate properly within the confines of his fat.

so because he's overweight, we can assume his mind is on par with a toddler's?

toddlers are analogous to jamerio, because we train them to keep things out of their mouths and celebrate their attempts at movement without expecting them to run 5mph for 1 hour per day for 7 days per week.

Didn't take long to pick those out of the post...are you just trolling for an argument?

i'm not trolling for anything. it seems that you are.

to clarify, i mean to say that a 270lb obese man is not going to run 5mph for an hour.

and to clarify even further, jamerio posted about restricting his diet originally. he has the right idea.

my post was a response to the people who want to inspire him to change his entire lifestyle and take up things like high intensity interval training. it's just dangerous for somebody so overweight to pursue high impact exercise. i used jamerio as an example to illustrate some humorous points.

are you seriously white knighting for jamerio? do you really think you have a chance with the whale of wales? in your dreams.

yeah i don't ever buy food i just grow literally everything i've ever eaten because i can make economical decisions and only a fool would buy food when you can obviously grow it silly plebs

when i say economical decision-making, i am referring the choices that human beings make when confronted with an array of risk & reward scenarios involving the 'currency' of their health, such as buying & eating food, exercising, refraining from buying & eating food, etc. it is not an ideological proposal to refrain from participating in monetary economy.

the concept is that it is easier, there is less resistance, when refraining from an activity (reduce consumption through inhibition of purchasing of and eating of food), than there is when adding activity (add strenuous exercise to purchasing of and eating of food).

the definition i had in mind for economy was:

careful management of available resources.

with human decision-making, the reward of eating has a short-term physiologically compelling value, in that eating triggers various powerful chemical processes of gratification, whereas long-term risks requires active mindfulness, in that they do not possess the same pressure of abrupt physiological impression. couple this requisite mindfulness with the fact that refraining from eating triggers various powerful chemical processes encouraging the pursuit of satiation, and it's easy to see that having an abundance of food available is a bad strategy for weight management.

the simplest and most direct solution to this problem is to reduce spending on & availability of food. this does not mean that it is the most successful, but the point that i was making is that if a person does not possess the discipline to refrain from buying & eating food, then it follows that they will not possess the discipline to exercise as much as it would be required to compensate for the surplus of calories provided by their diets.

GL Jamerio :)

The difference between zangief and you, is that his weight comes from muscles he got from fighting, while your weight comes from fat you got from camping esr at the basement of your brother.

Of course you don't need someone to pay you for something that is your own problem, it is just you financially and socially are so poor, that you lie to your own father by artificially increasing your initial weight to get the first payment as soon as possible.
I also don't question your father's sudden showing of generosity, he either feels sorry for you or is just ashamed of you being 30+ and living in the fatcave.

Oh boy I must have really messed you over....

You are the flower to my troll seeds, such a pretty thing.
Angst, hatred, resentment, online proxy, distress, oh you got it all :)

Such a pretty flower in my virtual garden...

A pointless youtube video, some weird flower talk, a meaningless concatenation of nouns and then you continue your strange flower talk.
What does that have to do with what I wrote and why this nonsense took you 18 minutes?

Despite the monetary motivation, I think it's really awesome you're giving this a strong effort. And hopefully it turns into some life-long habits that keep you healthy and fit in the long-run.

I didn't read through all the comments above, but I'm sure that among the helpful ones, there are some "quick fix / magic bullet" ideas, so I just wanted to reiterate that the best/only way to do this right is through A LOT of exercise (every time you want to stop, do more, within reason and not to the point of injury) and through being mindful of what you eat.

Also, I know how appealing it is to get strong, but for the purpose of losing weight, you'll get more bang for your buck with cardio, not weight training.

Good luck!

Edit: Finally, if you have trouble keeping motivated, getting to the gym/out for workouts, etc., don't rule out a personal trainer or workout partner to keep you accountable, even on days you don't feel like doing anything.

pics

Or it didn't happen.

easy money

paleo works. i dropped several kilos without even doing anything sporty.

+good food:
-veggis, as much u want
-meat, fish (sardines are cheap and yummy), egg
-bacon
-fruit, but in small doses (fructose)
-potat (sic!) and rice (the brain need sugar to work)
-fat /oil: nuts, olive oil, butter (no lactoses inside)
-carrots (all day long)

+bad food:
-bread, noodles, beer (meh)
-milk, chees, etc (lactoses)
-any processed food (any)

if you want to actually loose weight, you need to lower potat+rice as much as possible, but it will make you tired. if you just want to feel fit and healthy, eat as much as you want from the above list.

You do realize you can eat a lot of fruit and it won't make you fat right?

Due to the fibre found in fruit, it slows the release of sugar into your body giving your body time to metabolize it.

I only say this because there's such a stupid fucking dogma about fruit becuz sugar.

you can lose 8 in 3 weeks by smoking crack or meth.

'Level: Jamerio' always cracks me up :))))00

p.s. go, you! you can do it, our special little guy

lmao @ paleo and low carb fanatics

Crossfit and paleo is a fad. Low carb diets, however, are scientifically proven. So...

There are tons of diets that have been scientifically proven at one point. There's even the 80-10-10 vegan diet that has shown solid results in weight loss and overall health. Tons of diets work. The real key to weight loss is maintaining a calorie deficit.

My point is every individual should find out what works for them. There are however a few general guidelines most would agree on: eat minimally processed foods, watch your calorie intake (to a certain degree atleast) and exercise regularily.

Agreed. It's easy to lose weight if you want to.

"easy to lose weight" ...lol :P

Nothing too wrong with the paleo diet itself imo. Tried it, couldnt handle the fat intake.

My real gripe withPaleo are the people who practice it. They celebrate it like the second coming of jesus and constantly try to educate and convince the people around them that Paleo is the "one true diet". Basically Vegan 2.0... fucking annoying

I honestly have nothing against crossfit or paleo. Every now and again there are "those" people that ruin it for the rest. Very annoying, indeed.

3rd World problems. Just cycle 50k a day and u can keep eating ur shit.

leave away sweets. dont drink soda or anything like that, only water.

ez

Ephedrine helps with the reduction of Body weight and fat. It drastically helps lose weight when combined with a proper healthy diet and regular exercise. It's also banned in some places because it'll blow your head off other than that it's good shit

Heh a precursor to meth. Of course it would help you lost weight lol.

How's the weight loss coming along?

Still fat :)

I reckon I will have lost 1 stone by the 26tth though, based on the fact that while my initial weight was 19.3, that was purposely inflated by eating and drinking loads before the weigh in, so to get to the first £500 I only really needed to lose about 7-8lbs which is very doable in the space of 10 days which is what I think it will be.

Not doing any dedicated exercise, ankle is bad, just eating sensibly and averaging about 1500 cals a day. Before it was about 3500 cals a day.

I rarely ate very unhealthy food, but just way to much every day and never exercised.
Lost +20kg in about four months from halfing my food intake and started working a out daily.
My height is 1.98 and went from around 107kg to 85kg, now I look almost athletic instead of fatty ;o)

Here is what worked for me:
Usually it was not weird for me making portion sizes for dinner around 1.5kg.
Forced my self to make lesser portions around 700-800gr.

My workout program
Every second day 25 x 5 pushups and 10x5 bicepcurl with a onehand weight on 30kg (while watching tv at home)
Every second day 500-1000 reps started at 500 now im doing over 1k
Every second or third day run 5-6km.

Hope you find what works for you, gl Jamerio.
If you want it, you will make it! :)

Purposely inflated to swindle your own dad who is generous enough to put money forward to keep you motivated.

Keep it classy Jam!


Oh, and a bad ankle isn't a good excuse for not doing any dedicated exercising so start lifting and do cardio cause the Grim Reaper isn't going to give you a pass for having a fucked up ankle.

Did your ankle got stuck behind your desk by any chance?

Ding ding ding. Someone sees the reality behind the trolling. Anyone taking jamerio seriously at anytime has clearly fallen victim to his master mind and had their basis of comparison reset. If they say otherwise, they're projecting.

OR people actually just like to share their own experiences and knowledge concerning health, exercise and diet with the whole community and not jamerio exclusively.

Nothing to do with what I said. I very precisely said anyone taking jamerio seriously. Share your experiences all you want.

tbh jamerio being fat is not really taking a giant leap of faith...
I mean he posts here so often that he can't possibly do much physical activity + he is virtually always negative about everything, except things he does himself...
Kinda fits the loner profile with low self esteem. Which is a group prone to obesity if you ask me.

The chances that his dad actually has 500quid to spend on his kid dropping weight... that's another story.
Of course it could be that his father is actually a wealthy guy which allows Jamerio to be (financially) free enough to waste his life on esr... But that's not extremely likely...

I love people like you, you spend all day playing games, watching TV and trolling facebook and IRC (none of which I do), then you take a 5 a day post count on ESR and draw the most desperate correlations from it.

As for being negative, with mopes like you as the norm around here, maybe there isn't a lot to be positive about a bunch of lifers on a gaming site still obsessed with a brown corridor video game nobody else cares about.

Just a thought. I mean look a your post, its full of flaws and one sided jibes and holes, but the second you put it under the scope, look at what it unearthed!

You're hardly a ray of light are you!

Last night I was racing ferraris in london, while you were talking shit to me on a gaming site about having no life.

Its hilarious.

I spend all day playing games, watching tv and trolling facebook and IRC?

I haven't been online on IRC in years, I never had facebook, nowadays I rarely play games... I do watch some tv/movies/anime :p

Most of the time however I work... After that I watch some tv or play tennis... Sometimes I go to a bar or do some volunteering (mainly for the tennis club).
That's about it.... not counting the random chores that you probably also never have to do.

Ow and while I'm programming stuff, I occasionally check up on esr because quake was always dear to me... Unfortunately it's been utterly destroyed (for which I warned ages ago).

Weird had a real response.

Tbh. Engaging in any 'your reallife sucks my reallife is great' discussion is an immediate disqualification

^This, especially with silly made up facts such as "racing Ferraris in London", "winning hundreds of BMX trophies", etc.

You attack Weird because he is judging you as a person based on your online activity and then you proceed to do the exact same thing you accuse him of. Something about the pot calling the kettle black.

It's also painfully obvious when you become butthurt. That's when that typical jamerio self defense mechanism we are all to familiar with kicks in. "I was driving sports car in Malibu while you are sitting in your moms basement". Trying to elevate yourself above the rest of us to create a superficial sense of superiority. It's this dickish attitude of yours that turned your own self being in something to be mocked.

You will most likely claim that you are 'merely defending yourself against accusations made by a select group of no-lifers" or something to that account. I'm also positive that you firmly believe to this to be true and that you will likely never change so I like to finish this with the following...

Godspeed Jamerio - May you entertain us for another 15 years here at ESR!

my bet is he'll attack you because you're anonymous and thus that you are right has no value.

Who do you refer to then if not the people here giving serious advices?

Only referred to jamerio being full of it. The part about anyone taking jamerio seriously and whatnot is simply a jab at his former persona of rich game designer. He is now common fat man with yet another fabrication.

I was kinda fat back then TBH. Happens when you work 90 hour weeks.

P.S.

Ever heard the saying, calm before the storm?

Ok i guess i haven't been around long enough to fully get that :D

Ask him what his name is in the real world, and link to something about him in the real world.
When he comes back with nothing that you can't even have an opinion of.

Ask yourself why and revise your thought process :)

I think you could of eatin pounds of healthy veggie and water before. That way you wouldn't have to work off gorging before weigin again. Although you probably still came out ahead, as you def wont keep 100% of that meal.

I'm not really an expert on weight loss, but I did couch potato to 5k about a year ago and I can tell you you're not doing yourself any favours by coming up with reasons why you don't have to/can't exercise. It's not just about losing weight so you can look pretty, it's your body, it's your health. At first it sucks and you hate it, but slowly you'll start to enjoy it more and more until you end up looking forward to it. If you don't wanna be that fat guy people snicker at in gym/pool/track, well, you're not there for them, fuck them, fuck whatever they might think, you're there to make a meaningful improvement in your life and you're putting in the work, that's all that matters.

-cholesterol -fat
-anaerobic dumbells n sh*t

+aerobic
+aerobic
+aerobic
+any food will do

I just did a run through of my diet on a calory calculator. With a few tweaks I was able to reach my desired macros. Would advise anyone who is into losing weight / nutrition / working out to give it a try, can be pretty eye opening :)

Attack is the best form of defense.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/britains-heaviest-m...ml#2nJsnec

No it wasn't me!

Jesus Christ "The 33-year-old, who was 65st (412kg)"

65 fucking stone, that's insane.

I wonder if in that point they should just give him heroin or carton of marlboros,
some other way to get high.

Tonight on E!..

The high and lows of Bafta winning gaming prodigy James ‘Jamerio’ Williams.

From flying around the world and visiting lavish Nintendo parties to getting airlifted out of the bedroom by a crane.

Tonight you will hear the real story of what happened and guest appearance by the real James ‘evo’ Williams!

”What the fuck is a jamerio”

"Vedic’s wife found out about the affair"

"I head butted the keyboard in sheer rage"


Only on E(sr)! Entertainment!

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Work out your macros, do weights, throw in some HIIT, preferably follow a cyclical or targetted ketogenic diet (T/CKD) but the latter point is the least important.

Oh yea, and preferably fill your macros with predominantly nutritious foods - but flexible dieting you know.

Oh yea, and weight =/= fat. So if you don't want to throw it all back and and more do it in a sustainable fashion.

good advice, cycling keto (at 70% + fats, 30g of carbs or less a day) and 5x gym worked wonders for me (3x weights 2x hiit). I wasnt over weight but it stripped off the last hard to move abs fat.

Damn Zangief is 59 years old. Time to retire.

Ok, had weigh in at boots, 18.3!

So went to dads to weigh as a test to see diff in scales and I was 18.6lbs there, but from the time I left boots I had a sandwich, bag of fruit and 600 ml of fluids, so should crack it by friday morning with a little careful preparation, thinking of a DIY colonic irrigation the night before.

No exercise beyond averaging about 2 miles walking a day and avg cal intake of about 1500.

you're literally pulling out all stops. nice work.

mirc pls

Take pics of your progress

Uhh hemmmmm..... a "do it yourself Colonic the night before".....

I don't.....not sure how......what!?!?

Please god tell me you don't have a vaccume cleaner with a hose hooked up to your bum right now!!!!!!

Hose pipe and a mixing tap connector to control temp, I discovered it when I was on antibiotics for toothache and after 7 days I realised I had not had a crap and i needed to go.

But when I tried it was rock hard and several times the width of my my ass. So I was in agony on the toilet not knowing what to do, it was past that point of no return but it could not exit and it was hurting, but I could not pass it either.

Most helpless and fucked up moment of my life for sure. Could not even call for help either as it would have been worse than death.

So basically I limped to the garden, got a hose pipe and funneled water up my ass, and eventually it shot out and into the dogs paddling pool.

I didn't put the hose up my ass, but I discovered if you put it close and guide the water with your hand it will go in and I guess that gave it some lube.

Ass killed for a week after it too :). I'm not doing that again anyway, dad goes on holiday for a week on monday so I should lose it by then and get my first payment.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Now I know how to live my life.

Omg....why cannot I plus [+] you more than once for that!

Ok, now it's official. Jamerio is fat and gay.

How can water go easily in the ass if the ass is desinged to hold fluid matter in as long as possible? Only if your anus is somewhat open all the time (god forgive me what am I writing here) there is a slim chance some drops of water will be absorbed by the ass but what you describe seems to come from a imagination land. You don't soak up gallons of pool water through your ass when you're swimming, do you. You need to really force it in and that can only be done by inserting a tube in your ass. I know because I have done it. For medical purposes most of the time.

It was a hose pipe on full blast. If you put it close and channel the flow with your hand (and block most of the water from escaping with your hand) it works as the water has to go somewhere. Water Takes on the shape of ANYTHING it can be put into.

Thanks for the clarification.

sad fat

Gonna get harder from here on in, this was optimum conditions, generous weigh in conditions and initial start to diet.

Its the 26th today, I think the next stone will take 4 weeks.

Inflate before next trick Weighing Ins.

Ins probably doesn't weigh much, pef se, but if you hide him under your belly flabs for the first weighin, you could of progressively come in with less and less weight for each weigh in, until you got all your moneys, and no weight really lost!

You fat fuck

Just dont let the weights fall out of the flabs. They are loud when they hit the floor and he will knowwww.

happy for the money, sad being lighter than zangief.
There is always a catch :(

Dude, you have more money than Greece.

zangief's weight/height and appearance don't match.

Don't do diet - change the way you eat and get to know what you eat. Eat healthy, train and do one cheating day per week, i.e. sunday. That way you won't miss that much the stuff you love to eat and it won't hurt your overall progress. All best and gl! :)

Last week has been a waste, had 3 not very good days last weekend and its basically taken me a week JUST to get back to where I was a week ago :(.

To kickstart it I walked 8 miles and came across a vagrant on the way back who I used to know as I kid as he would hang around a few of us, even though he was 20 when we were 15, so bought him a mcdonalds and gave him a lift home. He's an alcoholic and lost with a capital L.

Gonna be a long ass month. Might be joining a golf club soon though.
Though they have buggies:/

golf club? plz be trolling. start moving your fat ass and eat healthy <3

stop eating, jamarshmallow

Any updates fatty?

Still 18.3 not dropping anymore weight!

Despite walking several miles a day and eating what I think is pretty healthy stuff and under 2000 cals a day.

Was hoping this stage would not happen until about the 16.3 mark, but will have to be stricter on what I eat and less of it!

There is defintie scope for eating better, just bummed its getting tough so early in.

It'll happen, just vary those walks I guess... loads of hills to stride up on in your neck of the woods.

Tried swimming?

We demand a sub 18 stone report by this time next week - get to it!

Its all flat, that's the problem.
Apparently weight loss stagnates at times then starts to go.

Funny thing is, in the last 3 days in a row, I had random women hitting on me. Granted they were all mingers, but still.....

The problem is you fat ass. Go start lifting weights. If you don't want to go to the gym then buy a decline / incline bench along with a decent dumbbell set, pull up bar and a dipping belt.

Buy that shit and look online for a 3 or 5 day split program for dumbbells. Hell if you leave an e-mail address behind I'll mail you a decent schedule.

This shit ain't hard and it doesn't consume much time. 5 times a week for a maximum of 45 to 60 minutes and you will transform into a force to be reckoned with.

So invest some of that being a cunt on ESR time and invest into yourself and start making some serious gainz.

Lift hard, do some moderate cardio and try to eat at ~300 calories deficit if you insist on cutting of a chunk of fat from the start.

Your future self will thank if you do this and stick it.

BTW cunt nugget I never particularly liked you so I don't care if you do this or not. If you don't you will have more time left for stupid shit on here which will no doubt be hilarious. But you'd be stupid not to. Anyway nuff said. Good luck and make a change.

He he firm but tough and not give two fucks. Wish no anon though :p

Send the mingers my way please, they work so much harder between the sheets :)

did it slim?

Was walking through town today with my dog and this little girl in a pram behind me said, "big husky and a big bum bum".

Was funny as hell, but defo gonna refocus now.
Not sure if she meant me, but the fact that I don't know is extra motivation!

Stupid brat, the nerve!

Why the fuck is this thread, even.

If you want to achieve specific goals in your life, such as slimming down, getting more money or whichever other, then you should start changing your habits and lifestyle as a whole. That's the key, above choosing whatever particular training regime or diet (that you aren't going to follow if you keep the same habit of sitting down all day in your brother's basement waiting for your dad to throw money at you in order for you to deal with your morbid obesity issue).

For example for every post in this thread you could have done 100 push ups, or spent that time working or whatever. For every glass of soda you could have drank water instead, or for every minute spent sitting you could have been standing up -lets say being in an office instead of working at home-, so do that from now on. Change your passive life to an active life and you'll have the body of an active person.

inb4 bafta claims walls of texts and death at 42 due to diabetes complications.

Still fat, but my newly arrived RX100 MK 4 makes it easier to deal with.

is that an electric scooter?

http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/cyber-shot-...sc-rx100m4

Not its a really small, overpriced little camera which does some cool things for it size.


But I had to buy a flashy SD card for it to work properly and I just had to spend £7.99 on the Sony App Store to add Timelapse functionality.

Nice one sony...c***s.

Eat less move more

All that British wealth going into your hips man ;/

are you counting calories? it's tedious but helps with setting measurable goals.

How's it going fat ass?

It didn't slim

also, koOma is not amused.

With all the chasing refugees that Jameroo does, I would've thought he'd be more in shape!

Only lost 3 stone and hit the wall.
More chunky than fat now.

Will refocus in March, too much on ATM :(