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Weird FPS problem on new laptop-Optimus? (67 comments)

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Posted by beAsty @ 13:28 CST, 2 January 2014 - iMsg

So I got my new laptop today:

Dell XPS 15 - 9530
Display: 15.6" QHD (3200x1800) Touchscreen
CPU: Intel i7-4702HQ 2.2-3.2Ghz
RAM: 16GB
Graphics: NVIDIA GT 750M + Intel HD 4600
Optical: None
SSD: Samsung SSD SM841 mSATA 512GB

and when I first tried QL I easily got constant 250fps on overkill & campgrounds. I then installed some apps, removed some junk software and played around a little with that laptop until I finally decided to connect my external screen via HDMI (no displayport cable at home :( no 144Hz for me right now). Turns out -> I can't even get 125fps constant anymore.

I fully disabled the Intel HD 4600 graphics and "r_lastvalidrenderer" shows the GT 750M. But for some reason I lag like hell. From time to time I managed to get constant 250 fps in window mode (same resolution as full screen mode). But also that is gone now.

My previous laptop could handle 250 fps easily as well:

MALIBAL Satori P170HM
Display: 17.3" FullHD 120Hz 3D Matte
CPU: Intel i7-2760QM 2.4-3.5Ghz
RAM: 8GB - upgraded myself to 16GB
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 560 1.5GB
Optical: Blu-ray reader
SSD: Intel 510 SSD 120GB
HDD: Samsung SpinPoint MP4 7200 rpm 640GB
Cooling: IC Diamond CPU + GPU

I am sure my new laptop should also be able to do so. Any ideas what could cause the problems? I believe its some NVIDIA Optimus crap but I already set "USE NVIDIA GPU" in Nvidia control panel settings.

:/

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<< Comment #1 @ 13:54 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

By

zb0t

I wrote a long comment earlier, but I was completely wrong, haha, I don't know if you read it, sorry if you did.

So the problem you had is a problem I already had before, and I don't really know how I fixed it :D but I think it's about "installing" the monitor :D or making it "recognized"...?

I'm not sure, I had to reboot a few times, until the monitor was recognized and games were running good again, GOOD LUCK!

Edit: and try to use only one monitor, and don't use many in the same time.

Edited by zb0t at 13:55 CST, 2 January 2014

<< Comment #3 @ 14:00 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #1

No it should be something different?

For example right now:

QL runs with GPU. In fullscreen mode I can't even get 125fps. Now I switched it into window mode and look at this.. 250fps constant. ?!?!

<< Comment #4 @ 14:09 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #3

QL has a problem with this Optimus f****** c**** :@

I know He4rtl3ss can help you maybe because he told me he has Optimus on his laptop too :/

I read this:

->

I've got a solution for you, but I don't know if you're gonna like it. Optimus is integrated into your windows, so the only way to get rid of it is to reinstall normal Windows 7 version (not the one that came with your laptop; though, the same key will work of course).

->

Ok, it is midnight now. But I have spent the last few (4) hours reinstalling windows. This time I got all of the drivers directly from the manufacturers' sites.

My frame rate on Just Cause 2 went from 7fps to a perfect 60fps. Thank you for telling me to reinstall!

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/368288-33...vidia-card

Edited by zb0t at 14:09 CST, 2 January 2014

<< Comment #5 @ 14:13 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #4

So now he is using the laptop without Optimus? That would also be really bad because I want it for working when I am on battery.

Also my touchscreen wouldn't work with windows 7 :/

I can't understand why it works in window mode but not in full screen mode. There must be a trick !

<< Comment #6 @ 14:16 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #5

Did you try to add Quake Live (the .exe) in the list of programs that need to be run with the Nvidia GPU (high performance)?

<< Comment #7 @ 14:20 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #6

Yep done already. And the nvidia GPU icon shows that one program (quakelive) is using the GPU. Also "R_lastvalidrender" show the GT 750M.

@edit: Running QL in Windows 7 compatibility mode seemed to help a little.. I am now at ~150fps - 200 fps.. but window mode still has constant 250fps.

Edited by beAsty at 14:22 CST, 2 January 2014

<< Comment #10 @ 16:33 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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anvi - Reply to #3

QL runs with GPU. In fullscreen mode I can't even get 125fps. Now I switched it into window mode and look at this.. 250fps constant. ?!?!

This is a sign that you have vertical sync and/or triple buffering on. Try turning them off in the driver settings.

If this guess is correct, then you should be getting the same fps as in fullscreen if you turn off Aero.

<< Comment #11 @ 00:04 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #10

vsync and tripple buffering is off in nvidia settings.

Windows 8.1 x64 btw.

<< Comment #12 @ 00:46 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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anvi - Reply to #11

Are they also off in per-program settings for QL (second tab)?

<< Comment #14 @ 02:20 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (167.83.109.22) - Reply to #12

I actually only disabled them in the per-app settings. Will try globaly when I am at home

<< Comment #13 @ 02:09 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #12

Actually I turned it off only in the per-app settings. WIll try to turn them off in global settings when i get home.

<< Comment #2 @ 14:00 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

By

beAsty

A few more infos:

In window mode I get 250 fps. When I go back to fullscreen it needs to "load the game again" (kinda like vid_restart) which I never had before when switching between window/fullscreen.

In fullscreen mode I don't get constant 125fps.

Fullscreen & window mode have the same resolution.

R_Lastvalidrenderer is the GT 750M.

@edit: Running QL in Windows 7 compatibility mode seemed to help a little.. I am now at ~150fps - 200 fps.. but window mode still has constant 250fps.

Edited by beAsty at 14:22 CST, 2 January 2014

<< Comment #8 @ 14:56 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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beAsty

How can any kind of help be a waste of time? :(

I already played around with the nvidia settings for the quakelive.exe and launcher.exe. I have no idea which settings would only effect fullscreen mode ?

I tried setting the priority to "Realtime" (=highest priority). Nothing changes.

Resoltion: From R_mode 23 down to 20 I get suddenly constant 250fps. However, it now looks like the game runs in window mode e.g. I see the backround of my desktop cause the game is smaller than my desktop resolution?).

R_mode 21 gives 236fps.. r_mode 22 gives a crash ;)

I also wondered about the reported CPU... but is it really wrong and if yes, what should I do about it? ;P

<< Comment #9 @ 16:19 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

By

Gobotz

Obviously this is a job for Weird

<< Comment #16 @ 05:00 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (184.90.160.15)

Be4sty you need to always be using gpu drivers that come from your manufacturer. Nvidia moderators recommend/suggest always to do a clean install if your downgrading gpu drivers. Things get left over if you do a system restore or roll back. If you ever have gpu driver problems ask your question on here -> https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/33/geforce-drivers/

Here is a good uninstaller ->

http://www.wagnardmobile.com/DDU/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/5501...12-20-13-/

<< Comment #17 @ 07:51 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #16

I never went for stock GPU driver since this is simply the NVIDIA driver. A newer one should work just fine or does Dell expect me to use the same driver for the next 5 years?

Anyway I will give it a try.. drive sweepter (DDU) + re-install stock driver.

Thanks for the suggestion !

And how comes you know me previous nickname? ;D

Edited by beAsty at 07:51 CST, 3 January 2014

<< Comment #19 @ 08:51 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #16

Removed driver with DDU, installed stock NVIDIA driver -> Same problem :/

<< Comment #15 @ 04:29 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

ipx!

com_idlesleep 0?

<< Comment #18 @ 07:51 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

beAsty - Reply to #15

yep it is

<< Comment #20 @ 09:03 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

tom

i had a similar problem watching shows on my tv through laptop. turned out i just had to disable the display on my laptop screen when the hdmi was plugged in

<< Comment #21 @ 09:04 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #20

It also isn't working on my laptops screen. I already read about that problem when watching tv/streams :P

<< Comment #22 @ 09:38 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

h8m3

Post your nvidia settings(both global and quakelive.exe ones)

<< Comment #23 @ 09:47 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #22

my settings are in german but I guess you will understand anyway:

Global:

http://files.bestmail.ws/XPS15/ql/global1.JPG
http://files.bestmail.ws/XPS15/ql/global2.JPG

Quakelive.exe, launcher.exe and awesomium_process.exe:

http://files.bestmail.ws/XPS15/ql/ql1.JPG
http://files.bestmail.ws/XPS15/ql/ql2.JPG
http://files.bestmail.ws/XPS15/ql/ql3.JPG

If you need me to translate let me know :)

basically for ql:

vsync off, threaded optimization off, triple buffering off,
trillianare on, Negative lod bias allowed, energy consumption at "maximum performance", single display modus, pre-render 1 imagine

Edited by beAsty at 09:49 CST, 3 January 2014

<< Comment #24 @ 10:12 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #23

Try disabling internal monitor and see if it helps to get 250

<< Comment #25 @ 10:19 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #24

nope didnt help.

also setting resolution to 1680x1050 didnt help (fps got better.. but it caps at 236 for some reason and still drops to 200). In window mode everything is perfect.

<< Comment #26 @ 11:01 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

thuNDa - Reply to #23

change multi-display-leistungsmodus in single...

<< Comment #27 @ 11:03 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

beAsty - Reply to #26

for QL it is set to single.

Since I generally use a multi-display-setup for desktop usage, I want the global settings to be for multi-display-setup ?

<< Comment #28 @ 11:15 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #27

you don't need it unless you wanna play some multi-display games(which you don't)

<< Comment #29 @ 11:24 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #28

Oh alright. Well I changed it -> Still having the same problem

1920x1080 in window mode = constant 250fps
1920x1080 in full screen mode = 130 - 200 fps

And it just won't get into my head why this problem occurs.

<< Comment #30 @ 11:29 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

h8m3 - Reply to #29

try changing resolution of integrated display to smth lower

<< Comment #31 @ 11:38 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #30

I have done that already. it is a QHD (3200x1800) which I currently run at 1920x1080.. both resolutions cause the same problem.

My secondary monitor runs at 1920x1080 as well.

<< Comment #32 @ 12:11 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #30

could it be a scaling problem?

Also I just connected to W:ET on a local server. With my old laptop I can easily handle 700fps constant. With my new one its 160fps constant.. 200fps isn't constant anymore.

old:
MALIBAL Satori P170HM
Display: 17.3" FullHD 120Hz 3D Matte
CPU: Intel i7-2760QM 2.4-3.5Ghz
RAM: 8GB - upgraded myself to 16GB
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 560 1.5GB
Optical: Blu-ray reader
SSD: Intel 510 SSD 120GB
HDD: Samsung SpinPoint MP4 7200 rpm 640GB
Cooling: IC Diamond CPU + GPU

new:
Dell XPS 15 - 9530
Display: 15.6" QHD (3200x1800) Touchscreen
CPU: Intel i7-4702HQ 2.2-3.2Ghz
RAM: 16GB
Graphics: NVIDIA GT 750M + Intel HD 4600
Optical: None
SSD: Samsung SSD SM841 mSATA 512GB

My new system might be a little worse for gaming but not THAT MUCH worse compared to my old one.

Edited by beAsty at 12:16 CST, 3 January 2014

<< Comment #33 @ 12:38 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #32

what do you have in bios?
try turning on only intel gfx and see if it performs the same as your current fullscreen

<< Comment #35 @ 12:48 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #33

Good idea.. and actually interesting:

With Intel HD4600 (so dgpu disabled in nvidia control panel) I get the same (or actually even better fps) ingame. When going into fullscreen I will NOT get constant 250 fps.

BIOS is pretty much locked.. there isn't much you can play with.
Intel Smartstep = On
Intel rapid storage / intel blabla = off
I will make a quick bios settings video.

@edit: bios video:

http://files.bestmail.ws/XPS15/bios.mp4

@edit2: according to gpu-z the NVIDIA core and memory clock goes up when playing QL. There is no difference between window and fullscreen mode.

Edited by beAsty at 13:23 CST, 3 January 2014

<< Comment #36 @ 13:24 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #35

oh i thought you disabled igpu in bios when you said "I fully disabled the Intel HD 4600", seems it just doesnt switch to dgpu when you use HDMI, i met someone who had the same problem with his laptop(hdmi was only working with igpu). You may check that - if you can clone your integrated monitor on hdmi one then dgpu should work. Anyway you'd need a displayport for 120/144hz to work so better get a minidp-dp cable and check if dp works with dgpu.

<< Comment #37 @ 13:27 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #36

Anyway show what you've got in bios, I'd actually also try a complete clean windows install without all that bloatware

<< Comment #39 @ 13:44 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #37

my mini-dp cable should be here next week. which is pretty much my last hope.

I can use the hdmi-monitor only (=clone to hdmi monitor and disable the laptop screen) so it should use the dgpu?

As far as I know there is no way to fully disable the igpu (except in bios). I don't have a bios option for that.

For my bios settings check my video:
http://files.bestmail.ws/XPS15/bios.mp4

I want to do a fresh install.. but I actually hoped I could find out if that laptop supports what I need before doing all the installation stuff ;D

@edit: another test:
ql in window mode:
dgpu load at 60% and igpu at 30%
ql in full screen mode:
dgpu load at 98% and igpu at 22%

Edited by beAsty at 14:08 CST, 3 January 2014

<< Comment #41 @ 14:01 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #39

You could always test without your external display to see if the problem remains. (Keep in mind that you need to use the same resolution on both for the comparison to stand)

Edited by FlashSoul at 14:01 CST, 3 January 2014

<< Comment #42 @ 14:08 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #41

Already tried it on my laptops screen.. same problem as with external screen (same resolution) :/

<< Comment #43 @ 16:41 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

omek - Reply to #39

try to disable intel speedstep
i had a similar problem, disabling it solved for me.

<< Comment #44 @ 22:05 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #43

that would mean my CPU isn't going into the highest clocks anymore? Anyway.. I will give it a try.

@edit: didn't help

Edited by beAsty at 08:01 CST, 4 January 2014

<< Comment #38 @ 13:31 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #35

Also it's important to update intel gfx driver aswell

<< Comment #40 @ 13:50 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #38

Mhh I have the latest dell driver.. which is 10.x.x.x.x... i will download the latest intel driver which is 15.x.x.x.x.x

@edit: can't be installed. Driver is not validated for this device. Check your manufacturer website

Edited by beAsty at 13:52 CST, 3 January 2014

<< Comment #34 @ 12:42 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

Daddy_

syncerror design, u know

<< Comment #45 @ 22:33 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

schizm

restart steam

<< Comment #46 @ 22:46 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

By

doped

r_primitives 2 maybe??

<< Comment #47 @ 23:45 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #46

Always had the same settings for this cvar andn ever had problems. Also it shouldn't affect only window mode? Anyway, will give it a try when I am at home.

<< Comment #48 @ 11:27 CST, 4 January 2014 >>

By

doped - Reply to #47

nah, you might be right about that.

<< Comment #49 @ 06:53 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

By

skint

not read any of this but if its an i7 just run the game off the HD 4600? the CPU alone can do 125fps.

<< Comment #50 @ 10:50 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #49

The integrated chipset is still a GPU, you shouldn't say "CPU alone" ;).

<< Comment #51 @ 13:57 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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beAsty - Reply to #49

I want 250.. not 125 ;)

<< Comment #52 @ 14:42 CDT, 24 June 2015 >>

By

Anonymous (144.228.128.74)

I have the exact same laptop and these symptoms happen to me on almost every single game I play. Did you fix it?

<< Comment #53 @ 15:09 CDT, 25 June 2015 >>

By

Anonymous (81.66.201.229)

same problem here, mouse accel also increases my frame stuttering. :(

<< Comment #54 @ 13:06 CDT, 26 June 2015 >>

By

wem420

Weird can fix this!

<< Comment #55 @ 18:22 CDT, 12 August 2015 >>

By

tuto

hi there! i found the solution here!

http://westechsolutions.net/sites/WindowedBorderlessGaming

just run the .exe, open qlive in windowed, go to taskbar, right click on Windowed Borderless Gaming, and click on "add window"

works for me, on native resolution of qlive (r_mode -2)

greets

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