as opposed to what, quake? LOLLLLLL

I'd argue that Rocket League is as hard if not harder than QL, especially at the starting level. Look at how pro vidoegames player fazz beyond sucks at RL, despite putting hundreds of hours into it.

:D

http://imgur.com/AFzKyHE

You're like a politician, just fucking spewing words to prove your point. If you think RL is anywhere near as hard as QL you're insane.

Baited so easily, birdman.

These games are different but remember that quake is 15+ years old and rl is new so skill lvl will rise with time and ppl will do new crazy tricks etc.

1.- Have you played it? Do you have at least the basic skill needed to have a founded opinion?

2.- If so, how can you be so sure of that when the game has been out for only one month? You know, when Quake was released in the first month players played it only to a very, very basic level; keyboards-only even. Following your logic, a 1996 cl0ck would have dismissed Quake.

Further, the game play level in Quake and its sequels was only noteworthy after about five to six years of game time, and still the 2001-2002 level really, really pales in comparison to the 2015 level.

What I mean to say is that it's hard to know the ceiling of an activity, especially when it is at its earliest of stages. It's even harder -if not impossible- to just dismiss it immediately, like Quakers tend to do with pretty much every other video game out there*
*That they end up playing afterwards since Quake is dead and all, then Quakers suck at all the other games out there, then continue on criticizing anything 'not Quake' anyway.


What I can say is that:
1.- In Rocket League everything shown on the screen is sfully controlled by the players. No assists (unlike SC2's mining), no random aspects (unlike Q3/QL's spawn system), no simplified gameplay adjusted in order to be more noob-friendly that at the expense of simplifying the game at the high tier level (Q3 to QL).
2.- The high level game play skills has increased tremendously in this short period of time and the game already has competitions with money involved. That means Rocket League s actually doing better than early Quake and than 2015 QL.
3.- Controlling the car in itself is much, much harder than strafing. You'd know that if you have played it.
4.- I know the fazz example was exaggerated, but at least goes to show how the game is hard. In 34 hours of playing time, pro gamer fazz cannot even hit the ball when it is the ground, the very basics. I've never seen Fazz or any other Quaker struggle as much in other games, and that's because Rocket League is really hard.

"Oh look at this pro Dota player fucking up in HoTS. It must mean the game is super hard,"

Yeah mate that's not how it works.

This "acceleration of skill" in a small timeframe argument is quite silly as well. Sure, people will improve a lot after massing games in a new game (especially in a new genre in 2015), doesn't mean that the improvement will continue for years like it did with Quake or SCBW.


In my book, it's easy to make any game hard enough if you introduce team elements to it. The hardest games ever could all be meaningfully played in 1v1, though.

Wasn't there some other game just like rocket league before?
I think I've seen a guy who was good and he talked about some other game.
So it's not that new.

You're probably thinking of Supraball. You should watch a video to compare and forge an opinion.

SARPBC is the prequel to Rocket League, People have been playing essentially the same game since 2008, which is why the top players and veterans are in a completely different league than anyone who started with Rocket League. Sounds familiar, no?

Yeah there's that too.

This "acceleration of skill" in a small timeframe argument is quite silly as well. Sure, people will improve a lot after massing games in a new game (especially in a new genre in 2015), doesn't mean that the improvement will continue for years like it did with Quake or SCBW.

It means quite the contrary in fact. Watching high level rocket league really gives the impression that the executional elements have been mastered already. The people who're really good at the game will hit their aerials and whatever very often, assuming they positioned themselves correctly. Maybe the game needs more mechanics.

You realized I've played Quake since 1997 right? Also, I'm well aware of the keyboard only aspect of Quake 1, my config in Quake, to date, has always still been centered around the original Quake 1 config (mouse 2 forward mouse1 shoot, spacebar jump, etc).

Also, yes I've been playing rocket league for a couple months (have a couple hundred hours logged kb-only and 75-100hrs logged of console controller) now and have more than enough experience in it to found an opinion.

As for all your other statements I don't really feel like point/counter-pointing them.

Are we not worthy?

I'll take that plus as a definitely not worthy.

read RL as real life, and the discussion gets even more hilarious....

What does "real" even imply?

Can the players have a cocky attitude and talk shit about counterstrike and Dota?

When did I say "real"?

"True", then.

That's what I'm asking. Is it a true esport; with all skills/learning curve et cetera?

A game is an eSport if sufficient people want to watch it being played for money, that's it. Hearthstone is an eSport basically because Blizzard made it and people like to backseat game it. It's not heavy on execution or strategy, but it still brings viewers and money.

But yes, Rocket League requires skill, absolutely, and it's great fun to watch good players. Will it have a big scene? Probably not, since the "meta" won't change enough to keep players interested for long. But I could be wrong.

Probably not, since the "meta" won't change enough to keep players interested for long.

That's sort of the thinking of a MOBA player. In games with higher skillcaps, the variety and the meta is created by newly acquired skills as opposed to patches. If the game is as hard as these fans of it in this thread are claiming, a stale meta won't be an issue.

Any game with enough viewership and players is an esport now. Don't expect any new game to be hard anymore. The word just means game played for money with viewers.

I have my doubts if people will even want to watch it though. Most people playing it don't care, just play it while Dota 2 finds a game or something. So I'm not sure the casual majority will watch games.

Seemingly with each new, more casual game a lower and lower portion of players watch the game.

Oh well, at least we can feel proud the whole playerbase of Quake turns up for several thousand viewers at Quakecon :D

I haven't had the impression that rocket league is a casual game. Even in nonranked people pretty much act like quake elites about the last man on the team; "do something", " why are you so worthless", "uninstall".

On ranked 1v1 I dominate a guy and he quits right away. They don't even want to see if they can at least score on me. They quit.

These are not examples of a casual game. It is the beginnings of an elitist mentality which is easily comparable to the quake scene.

With that said, the game seems easy and short lived at first glance, but when you play it... And you get owned... Then you begin to understand. It's much harder and much more addictive and any movement freak will love it.

So you created this topic to get approval for taking Rocket League seriously? Stop worrying about it mate. Play what you like.

Games have been systematically becoming easier and easier for years now, so it's hard to believe that any new game is very hard. Even if it was, how would you know without trying them all out, since, you know, every player of a new game will try to convince you that their's is the hardest.

But that should be irrelevant. If you like it, play it. Don't seek our approval.

Good advice.

I don't consciously seek approval, I just enjoy throwing the ball around. I do want to hear the quake community's thoughts on it. Even if I might disagree. I'm still new enough to the game, maybe there's something I'm missing.

its not about being a quake elite, its about being a young player who is not used to getting kicked in the ass. people just give up cause they dont like loosing, or they think you cheat.

on the other hand i almost cried on stream when i saw my teammates trying so hard but doing basicly nothing in dirty bomb. and then comes the "l2p" or "uninstall" or "no ammo was dropped that day" or "it's like playing with vegetables" lines. i honestly think the matchmaking systems are pretty bad nowdays, cause the developers have absolutely no idea how big the skillgaps are,.

Looks like they've upgraded their ranking system.

Bronze I
Bronze II
Bronze III
Silver I

all the way up to gold III and the top 100 are in Platinum.

Why, oh why, didn't ql use this ranking system?

1. No one cares at id.
2. In Quake you need
I have brain tumor I
I have brain tumor II
I have brain tumor III
I have brain tumor IV
I have brain tumor V
I have brain tumor VI
Wood I
Wood II
Wood III
Wood IV
Wood V
Wood VI
Plastic I
Plastic II
Plastic III
Plastic IV
Plastic V
Plastic VI
Rusty Iron I
Rusty Iron II
Rusty Iron III
Rusty Iron IV
Rusty Iron V
Rusty Iron VI
etc.

donno, anyone able to shoot a moving target gets into tier4. as a complete newb to quake ive started in tier3, so i cant really imagine whats happening in 1 or 2.

They just draw on the walls in tier 1?

no idea, but heres my theory:

people draw dicks on walls with crayons in tier2
people eat crayons in tier1

Rocket League isn't that easy tbh. Been trying to work on my aerials for quite some time now and I betcha coordinating more with your mates is hard as fuck :)

Yeah the shots and blocks are intense. Teams like Team Rocket pull off insane shots and blocks consistently.

Tbh im not that impressed. It looks like they found out how to use the aerial play properly before others did and that aerial play seems pretty easy to use if you know what youre doing

Sure it's easy to do. Hard to master hitting a moving target. Quake players ought to know.

I would bet hundreds that you would struggle hitting that ball in mid air for many many hours before getting the hang of it. Even when you're decent at it, you'll miss. It's harder than hitting air rockets, to be sure.

The guys in the vid make it look easy. They are the team to beat.

that aerial play seems pretty easy to use if you know what youre doing

You can say that about literally any game.

you know how its easy to hit rails while your opponent just bounced of a jump pad? It looks that easy

Ahahah, I'd suggest you try it out.

ok, you can gift it to me here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198074835822

Lmao.

hahahah wp

It's not all that easy. Generally, you can get decent at aerials fairly quickly but the chance of rever reaching Kronovi-level is very unlikely :)

regardless of skill it looks awesome as fuck

rocket league is a very decent game, i hope it moves on to a ESWC or something else, as they are in the ESL.

btw has anybody played rock n roll racing here?

Rocket League is the best game to come around in a long time. Now that it has surged in popularity, the dev team really needs to bring in the features to support it. The e-sports thing is irrelevant, though it was picked up like the week after it released by circuits and now has a steady presence as a competitive platform.

Lmao at this jobber game being an E-sport. I've been playing it since alpha and I'm way better than the ESL video above....

http://i.imgur.com/2QEF9r1.jpg

Just check out my mean streak. Am I legendary or what?
You can still play the beta game here http://www.y8.com/games/4x4_soccer Just keep in mind there is no aerial lel

I think maybe...

Ask to Tyrone

judging by the videos, its too simple and too random to be an esport. but then again heartstone is considered an esport as well. maybe im just too old.

What's random about it?

I can't believe how much fun Rocket League actually is, and so far the match making actually works. It's good. I'm having a much easier time imagining this being played at ESWC than TrackMania for example.

I'd vote for it.

I'm having a much easier time imagining this being played at ESWC than TrackMania for example.

You forgot one important factor - French people.

a hundred thousand people online at a time, several weekly money tournaments with busloads of teams in NA and EU, twitch streamers making good money because thousands want to watch them play.

i'd say rocketleague is already a more relevant esport than quake has been in... decades?

Sounds like i have to renew my psplus subscription to play this again :P.

How much is it?
Such a silly idea.

RL was for 'free' in psplus but you have to pay 64zl/15euro for 3 months to play otherwise its blocked until you renew subscription.

or just pay the 20€ on steam and don't pay to play online

GTFO with your logic

XD

Theres other way around . Prize for the game is also 20€ on ps4 but you need active ps plus sub to play online. There are accounts with active ps plus for month that cost 0,25€ and you can play online on all your other acc. So you can play all games online for 0,25€ on ps4. Doubt its legal xd. Only downside is that you loose these 'free ' games because you have to buy new acc every month, but mostly they give some shit indie games so rl was like AAA title xD.

Being a polak is constant struggle!

Yes it is.

Pointless thread is pointless.

Well I've noticed there is no rl thread here at electronic sports reality so in reality we need to discuss the boundaries of just what makes an esport an esport.

I will acknowledge it as an esport once it has generated drama on the same tier as qcon-NA-team chaos or the cheating scandal in csgo.

if fifa is, this is too

So after a couple hundred more hours on this game I still suck goats asshole at this game. True e-sport for sure.

there's no such thing as true or false e-sport :D

I now think of rl as a false esport because I suck and can't improve lol

e-sports is a marketing tool, I didn't realize people didn't know.

If you are a cyb0r@ath1337, you are a posterboy for whoever makes money from whatever it takes to play it, including factory laborers, stock brokers and software engineers.

Your job is to make people think you're cool so kids will buy whatever you promote. Being cool is about wearing the right clothes, just ask Miles Davis or Tony Hawk.

This is why most of you are the worst cyb0rwarrir0rz. You worship a $7 basic optical mouse, you play a game that takes place in a sewer and can be run by 10 year old cellphones and you don't accept novel concepts like a button that automatically kills everyone instantly.

RL is fun, you should play it before it becomes an e-sport and all the life is squeezed out of it.

Might be too late.

Does it have strafe jumping?

It makes more sense than professional FIFA 17 players, at least.

in case you're living under a rock, big football teams are constantly picking up fifa players so I think it's one of more lucrative e-sports right now.

Yeah I know, I mean that I just don't get why professional FIFA 17 players exist. Its obvious on one level; the clubs pay the players and it boosts sales of FIFA 17 games. But is there actually an audience? Who is going to watch video game football instead of a real life match?

http://www.fifa.com/interactiveworldcup/prizes/index.html

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/03/espn-ea-f...roadcasts/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/23/bt-sport-...aments-uk/

edit: so pretty much qualifies more than any quake game so far.

I think the rocket league is an E-sport.
This is a game where there are not too many cases, buying crates and items does not affect the game itself. At the Olympics they were supposed to add games and would have been without violence, my favorite is the Rocket League
I buy RL items on Odealo, more importantly, when you buy items (bodies, nitro, etc.) it does not affect your stats, just the appearance of your car.
buy RL items
https://odealo.com/games/rocket-league

One night, I saw rocket league come on the TV right after baseball. It's pretty far up there if it's on the same channels.

Well its better than quake champions