i7-5960X

Lol I didn't realize how expensive top of the line could be. My price range does have it's limits after all.

As you said "Please don't hold back. Give it to me hard and reckless." :D I think that 5th or 6th generation of i7 will be enough :)

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Intel because most software optimized for Intel CPUs. Hyper-threading is needed for low percentage of applications. By the way QuakeLive's performance depends on single thread speed not cores count.

PassMark#CPU Benchmarks#Single Thread Performance

AMD A10 = dogshit

I play on a AMD A10-7700k I get 250 fps with just the APU and I run 144hz at 1080p. is it still dog shit? In BF4 I get around 60-fps on medium-high settings in reflex on 1080p it runs at 60-70 fps at 720 its over 100 fps still dog shit? Benchmarks aren't everything the are just benchmarks...

So your MB has a DVI with more than 60FPS ?

And YES dogshit ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=AMD+A10-7700k+power+consumption

still better off with a fractal generator, its a math drawing, cpu`s are normally credited on calculations per nano second

I listed you what I get on what res in what games. Obviously 144hz and dvi-d. Apparently reading is hard though. Also, 30w savings is not much not compared to what you can save on current gen vid cards to previous gen ala gtx 7 series to gtx 9 series and r9 200 series to r9 300 series. Fun fact did you know 2 r9 380s in crossfire is on par with performance with a Nvidia Titan? This also has less power consumption than a single gtx980 or a titan. Hm......

Hmm ... you do not tell what mainboard, and i cannot look up the handbook ...

From what i know, AMD 10 MB's are 60Hz only DVI-D ...

One guy i know, wanted to buy a AMD A10 mainboard with APU & wanted to play QL ...

I told him, it has only 60Hz on DVI, so you will get a proper GPU if you want more ...

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=mbfm2p&xf=317_A8...1.2#xf_top

MSI A88XM Gaming (7903-001R)
https://geizhals.eu/msi-a88xm-gaming-7903-001r-a1060295.html
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/A88XM-GAMING.html

Handbook says:

VGA & DVI-D max 60Hz
HDMI = 1920x1200 @ 120Hz *lol*

HDMI specs are 60Hz

OK: i shut up, 120Hz possible :)

i7 2600k and Z77 is the pretty much the best power to price ratio across the board.

I'll definitely take that processor into consideration. Thankee.

does the cpu still count for something in gaming?
I thought its all about the gfx card nowadays?!

I dunno I got some i5 quad-core with some radeon gfx (nowadays I would prefer Nvidia though) and everything on steam runs well, at least all the games I care for

Its asbout 120 second hand, 50 for a mobo, for that you get a good basis from a gaming rig and a threaded work station which is the best of both worlds, that is why I didn't ask what he needs it for, as my suggestion covered it all.

Take a look at the below video of how it compares to its 4th generation equiv, 4 years have passes and its still able to hang with it.

Sure its not as good as a 4790k, but we're talking a small amount, stick a decent gfx card in there, you won't really notice anything but the extra money you save.

Generally speaking a faster CPU will always be better, but there are some games where it makes more of a difference than others.

Older game engines in particular seem to benefit more from fast single-core performance. This is likely due to the way the graphics was handled with older graphics APIs (DX9 and previous) where more graphics-related processing would be done by the CPU, and a closer-to-finished-product would then be moved to the GPU for finishing rendering (so to speak).

If you are on a tight budget and want to get the best bang for your buck, the best option is always to build based on benchmarks for the games you intend to play. If your budget is quite flexible, it is always safe to go with a faster CPU.

It is also true for a couple years now that almost all games will run well on mid-grade hardware (both CPU and GPU) for a variety of reasons.

nah, xeon e3-1231 v3 + cheapass 1150 mobo. This thing at stock clocks easily beat 2600k@4.7

ofc its a good CPU too.

I doubt it would beat a 2600k at 4.7ghz. (scroll down to benchmarks)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E3-1231-v3...e-i7-2600K

The benchmarks suggest the 2600k would easily beat it at 4.7ghz and its a CPU people buy to OC, hence why I said K series.
You can't really OC the Xeons too, which means, you can have more fun with the 2600k if you want to go down that path and plenty do.

I personally do not buy second hand Xeon stuff because 9/10 they are used solely by power users in servers or render farms running full pelt for days/weeks/months on end.

computeruniverse--->xeon 1231 v3 new cost about 217eu, and thats kinda same as used 2600k on ebay. But for good oc 2600k u need decent z77 mobo, while xeon could do his job on stock clocks and CHEAPEST SHITTY h81 mobo. Take in mind heat and power cons. My choice is 22nm xeon =)

"xeon 1231 v3 new cost about 217eu, and thats kinda same as used 2600k on ebay"

Second hand xeon 1231 v3 on ebay currently stands at £149 with 3 hours to go.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231689480319?_trksi...EBIDX%3AIT

I bought this 2600k a few weeks ago for £115 (http://postimg.org/image/3rv72yrr3/), which is a mere 158 euros, so your statement about new Xeon costing the same as a used 2600k is not correct, and by quite a margin I might add.

Nice try, but somebody got got yo.

Ur point is to take old cpu and old mb without upgrade possibility and hardly overclock it, using GOOD PSU and some GOOD cooler. 158eu 2600k+80eu mobo or 217eu xeon+50eu mobo. i still choose second option

In my original post which I edited, I linked to an i72600k bundle consisting of...

CPU
MOBO
WATER COOLER

All for £180. Believe me, that shit would have hit 4.5 ghz per core easy.There are good deals to be had if you look.

Ask the admin to repost the ebay link if you think I lied.

P.S.
That second hand CPU you suggested went for £166.

For 12 quid more you could have had 2600k, mobo and water cooling.

Like i said, best bang for buck.

by oc only the bclk?

This is definitely something that you should NOT ask Quakers or people on ESR about. The vast majority of them live in the past and will mislead you with shit tech from 5+ years ago (10-13+ years ago for mice, i.e. WMO etc.). These are the same people who will whine when games like Reflex or even newer QL maps won't play smoothly on their 2003 potato dogshit machine, as if developers must always cater to the least common denominator.

As for a substantive answer:

(use the dropdown menus at the top for your price-range)

CPU:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cp...,3106.html

MOBO:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-inte...,3902.html

Also, to see some very good real life configurations with user comments, votes, etc:
http://www.pcpartpicker.com/

Oh, Lecturing ESR about computer hardware competence, then linking tomshardware.... why not Linus then, why stop halfway?

Anyone own i7-4790K? Tom's hardware showed exceptional performance. I realize the motherboard isn't going to enhance anything other than maybe longevity of the computer. I was thinking Sabertooth Mk1 might pair well but id be paying more for the mb than the processor. That would be a first for me.

Why pay more?
Add in cost of mobo as well, and like i said, 2600k+Z77 gets you best bang for buck.

Buy second hand, save loads. They are bullet proof.

X99 is another socket

My bad, I meant Z77.

my athlon II x250 rocks it better then that at 20fps

saw "the witcher" benchmark, and so the unbearable rediculous vegetation animations again...
out of curiosity, have they fixed this shit yet?

I do, its great. I don't need to upgrade until 2017 now :)

The very best for most games because they tend to use few threads (sometimes even just one) and the high clockspeed makes a huge difference. The new 6700k is great too, even a little better. Both perform amazingly well without overclocking because they are basically factory overclocked so you don't have to worry about heat/stability etc.

From 2500@4.2ghz to 4790k@stock I saw huge gains in both old and recent games as long as I don't play with stupidly GPU limited settings. I actually saw the biggest gains in older games because they are single threaded and the CPU architecture has improved quite a bit since Sandy Bridge. Newer games are multi-threaded and a 2500/2600k can still perform fine for the most part.

Get an i7 second hand, I got a 3770k for $120. For mobo just read some reviews and get a mid range compatible one. (I have the ASRock Z77 Extreme4, it's decent.)

If you only want new, then a modern i5 will be fine.

What do you do with PC?
What is your budget?
You can't give advice without know these answers.

D/L pr0n

Run doom 4 at max settings.

So the problem can be the graphics card, cpu and mobo don't make the difference for modern games (I mean it's better to buy 100$ mobo and 200$ cpu instead 150$mobo and 300$ cpu and save 150$ for the graphics card).
A good combo can be msi h97 pc mate and i5 4590 (don't buy k version and save some dollars unless you want to do overclock). Buy high level i7 only if you work with software that really takes advantage of Hyper-Threading.

cpu and mobo make a difference, cpu`s take different ram speeds, different motherboards and different chipset which give the bridge different speeds, the more GB/s the bridge for the cpu has, the more textures can be read from your rams texture cache at a single time

which is all good, if your not using compression in a game, each texture is 10mb which you diffuse, specular, and bump

29Gb/s + for ram and bridge speed is better then 6Gb/s for a ssd

Man we are talking about gaming: you can buy with 600$ msi h97 pc mate, i5 4590 and gtx 970 or MSI Z170A, i7-4790 and gtx 750 Ti, what is your choice?
I know that you lose something but you lose a lot more if you choose a low level graphics card.

amd 8120 and http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=968

you can get a corsair hydro for your amd and overclock it as much as you can, they would probably work better if it was full of thermal gel instead of water, thermal gel can reach 300c

what i`ll have in a few months, from the royal mail casual

https://jobs.royalmailgroup.com/go/Christmas-Casuals/698901/

I think its the worst time to upgrade right now. x99 and z170 have only a very tiny weeny performance benefit over z97. You can't really do any better than a i7 4970k, low latency ddr3 and a geforce 980Ti for games... better off upgrading when Pascal GPUs come out, maybe by then intel will pull their finger out their ass a little

Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering if right now was a good time.

2 r9 380s in crossfire beat the gtx 980 for price, performance and power consumption.

xeon e3-1231 v3 its basically i7 4770 but for price of i5 4690
also u need 30eu 1150 mobo =) its even cheaper than used 2600k+z77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvHezHmCJ4

i would use too, but for other reasons ...

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I recently bought an i5-3460 ? (i cant even remember the exact number - 3.2ghz quad core) for £60 on ebay. After looking at benchmarks for the various i5 and i7 processors released in the last 4 or so years the difference in power is so small.

I'd go for a 2nd hand i5 or i7 and spend any savings on GPU.

What is your budget? :P

I'm thinking around 500 USD. Still gotta save for gtx 970.

if you get a AMD, that is am3+ socket, AMD next chipset should have pci-e 3.0 and ddr4 ram, so you will just need to spend £200 to update in 2 years

AMD ram controller is built into the cpu, so you can use lower ram speed for a while if they still use ddr3 http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswe...-crucial/8

Woah. Good news! I'm currently running am2 Athlon x4. I like amd, but I'm not sure if I should go with them again.

clockspeeds are only good for desktop app`s, and you don`t need 8 cores for word processing, AMD will always be behind until they come good for paintshop users etc with massive images in ram

Whatever you do, don't go AMD at this point, they are doing terribly bad in the CPU and GPU department (and the company as a whole is collapsing). Unless you're on a really tight budget maybe, but that doesn't appear to be your case.

it would be intel that is falling apart, they have nothing to fall back on except for gamers and painshop users

AMD have more A-series apu in laptops etc, and they have both PS4 and Xbox One

they just need to add PCI-e 3.0 so you can have quad sli/crossfire like 2x x16 and 2x x8

then all education facilities will probably all go for dell AMD`s

AMD is almost bankrupt. They don't make any money with the consoles. They only have enough cash to last another year as their profit's are in the red each quater killing their little reserves. Intel in the otherhand can buy AMD from their office petty cash account. Buying AMD now is a bit of a risk for future warrantee.

Regardless AMD CPU's are terrible performers. They just can compete even with an i3. AMD GPU's are better, but they only release 2 certified drivers a year. Nvidia just has a better gpu ecosystem and better cards.

I'd suggest looking for 2nd hand Ivy Bridge i5 and newer models. The 970 prices should also come down a bit now with the new AMD cards priced in the same bracket. I also want an 970 :(

charging 3x as much for a cpu means nothing, when you have all the dumb asses who get sold intel in dell computers

AMD has never been a household name, freesync being opensource, you will probably have that on 4k televisions and dvd players etc

AMD cpu`s were obviously alot better since the mid 1990`s up until intel released sandy bridge, but all the dumb asses still paid 3x as much to have a intel

Yeah, but these days you are just doing yourself in to buy AMD. Their only hope is their new architecture which is only coming in 2017 that will apparently compete at Ivy Bridge level, and if they survive that long. I used to by AMD too, but heck they just don't deliver anything competitive these days sadly :(

Ivy bridge, its 3x faster then AMD bridge 990fxa and the GT/s and GB/s, intel has faster ram and PCI-3 3.0 with more pci-e lanes, you pci-e slots wont drop to x1 or x2 in sli/crossfire setups

AMD just need a new bridge with faster ram and pci-3 3.0, clockspeeds don`t really matter nor does battle of nm`s

top3 best bang4buck rigs 2015:

1. you are poor indian asshole--->get 775mobo+xeon 5440 quadcore from ali+ddr2 memory, whole shit cost less than 100$, add used hd7850/750ti, oc both gpu-cpu and play!
2. you are mediocre jew---->get fx8300 and asus m5a78l mobo +8gigs high-density ddr3, this things about 170$. Overclock cpu to 4.5-4.7GHz and add used r9 290 (not reference), oc gpu to 1100. Play, fucker! 1080p all games 60fps ez.
3.you are reach englishlord with lambo. But ur blood still 90perc jewish. Then xeon e3-1231v3+h81mobo+16gigs ddr3 and 980ti, oc gpu to 1400, play 4k!

AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core ~ 1,506

my Intel Core i3-3250 @ 3.50GHz ~ 1,859 *lol*

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-3250-vs-AMD-FX-8350

Geekbench: 10,956 vs 5,730
PassMark score: 9,134 vs 4,513
GTA5: 60fps vs 30fps(with freezes)

u wot m8 ? ur dual core is kinda outdated but still good for watching movie and documents tho

2x3.5Ghz ... and i can run Handbreak very well ...
https://handbrake.fr/

Chromium on Fazz stream 20 ~ 30% CPU load ^ ^

there no point in 8350, it just runs hotter and has a 125w tdp, then you need a £2000 fully modular psu, or a half decent semi modular that £200 so you don`t get and fluxes in current

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-3250-vs-AMD-FX-8120

do u understand the difference between vishera and bulldozer? Next time use phenom 9550 as opponent if u begin to lie. =) 70eu fx8300 with 95w tdp working at 1.2v still bargain, in last multithread games like witcher3 gta5 it on pair with i5 haswell. Stop dreaming wake up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rutk9ErhKG4

3:29 to see how i3 bottlenecking due to low amound of cores.

you don`t need a few frames extra and a £500 electric bill, most games are multi threaded, each cpu will have different ram speeds, and chip sets

benchmarking games are crap, the fps will always be 10,000 when the engine has limited it to 60fps

for threads you want a 1920x1080 pure cpu fractal generator

http://www.mandelbulber.com/

thats if you want to waste 2 hours for each cpu benchmark

"you don`t need a few frames extra and a £500 electric bill, most games are multi threaded, each cpu will have different ram speeds, and chip sets"

True, thats why i don't need a quad core CPU, for what ?

I don't stream, i don't play fancy multicore games, i don't video edit that much ...

If you do, you have to begin with the PSU @ least 600W, mine now 450W, 100W more than my beginner PC ^ ^

http://www.enermax.outervision.com/

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/idon...0NT-H1.png

http://j1309.hizliresim.com/1f/t/t0h0t.png
2600k@4.8=300W power consuption
fx8300@4.8=300W power consuption

after "benchmarking games are crap" there is nothing to say more, hf

game benchmarks, are a estimated fps, taking in bridge speed, ram speed, gpu speed, and actual fps

they are no good to know how fast cores are in a cpu, a fractal generator is the best benchmark, more so the 3d generator

download fractal generator http://www.mandelbulber.com/

download settings http://www.mediafire.com/download/3a2096k7fxj..._001.fract

the fractal :: http://postimg.org/image/6mt6c2ofp/ took 3m 47.61s on a athlon II x250 2core

you will need 30 % headroom load to max !

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depends on the badge of today, with bronze, silver, gold

bronze is 20% headroom, silver 15%, gold 10%

If you are going for a skylake CPU have a look at: MSI Z170A GAMING M7. A little on the pricier side, but a very sick motherboard.

Edit, Link: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/Z170A-GAMING-M7.html#hero-overview

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Here would be my build for you:

fx9590 or fx8350 depending on budget both get great overclocks on the 9590 you can hit 5ghz on air no problems. 8350 is about 4.5 ghz on air.
16 gb ddr3 2400 mhz ram
1 ssd you choose the size its your budget
990FX motherboard you choose which one. Sabertooth is nice, as much as I would hate to say this the fatal1ty board is actually nice as well.
144hz monitor
2 amd r9 380s 4gb nitro cards in crossfire.
750watt psu with about 50-60a on the 12v I got the 750w fatal1ty one because it was on sale and was best bang for the buck (Flame me all you want I am not a fatal1ty fan boy I got with whats best bang for buck)
You choose your case.

Less than 1k for this build especially if you do it through microcenter and do a amd bundle build for the CPU and MOBO less than 300 for the combo i5 and i7 equivalent will cost you double easily.

all good except 9590 is too hot and not worth extramoney
2x380s in crossfire? need good 1kW PSU,r9 290x/gtx970 better choice imho

CPU : i5 4690k
MB : some z97 chipset with overclocking abilities and good defective stats. Something around 175 euros max.

i7 6600k is useless crap and overpriced, and u need DDR4 with it, much more expensive. And u need z170 chipset MB which is also more expensive, all that beeing said the performances of this shrinken architecture is same as previous gen, they just boosted the iGPU part which is totaly useless on a desktop PC, i have to wonder why intel would put some graphic card in their CPU to begin with...