cheating = ban for life
no forgiveness for dumbasses

"apology" & "promise that more will not use cheats" .... i bet sasp had a good laugh on that one

dumbass

actually u dont get banned for cheating

After using cheats in multiplayer video game I would kill myself.

you are now worse than hitler congrats

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QL support are not your parents, an apology and a promise wont fix it :D

1. get new ip to avoid ip ban
2. get new pc to avoid hwid ban
3. install ql
4. cheat again
5. get another ban
6. cry more

tough policy :( I'm crying

Well-deserved.

ha HA ha HA hA HA HAHAHhahahaha

Is this thread for realzies? What is going on here?

That Nick looks familiar hahaha, how don't they get bored of cheating?

just go around your ban like all the other idiots caught cheating.

or make a frag movie.

Maybe you should start sucking sync's cock making frag movies.

To be fair, zeroql makes some pretty fucken good movies.

Donation incentive?

Go cheat in CS

enjoy your ban you sad nerd

no daddy any more in ql? *sadface*

well since you were cheating you weren't actually playing the game anyway so what is the difference now

because unlike in other quake titles, he can't even play with bots now

Rethink your entire life.

lawl

only if you got busted selling drugs, then you get a second chance according to many on this site.

cheating however = lifetime ban, unless your name is effortless or Zeroql

in other words, you got caught and ESR won't care to fix it. Too bad you weren't a pro from poland or you'd get lots of empathy and free money to spend it on whatever you like.

I never thought about that one before.

But there's something sinister going on in this community - think about it.

Even when certain players showed signs of penitence, displayed regretfulness and begged for forgiveness for something as petty as playing a video game, the community shunned and sent them to the 7th depths of hell.

Even some that were allegedly wrongfully banned were mocked and insulted. To even think about giving people a second chance is considered a malevolent though. The community chants in unison, "Once a cheater, always a cheater!"

Then this guy gets allegedly wrongfully sent to prison and everyone starts talking about giving people a second chance, everyone makes mistakes in life, don't mind the past, think about the future.

Where is this coming from? Are the statements coming from the same people? Are we that convoluted and hypocritical that we're lettings wrongdoers go free because it doesn't directly affect our tiny world, it doesn't in any shape or form change our spectrum? - as in, as long as you're not touching my video games and using a 3rd party client to gain unfair advantage over me and beating me while I ponder and cry about preventing such things from happening, insulting developers and even threatening them because this insubstantial thing affects my life so much, that I'm willing to hunt down people who cheat in video games?


It all seems very wrong from a certain point of view.

Are we just fiddling around with two sides of the same coin?

mainly since this guy didn't do anything wrong

"Im not gonna say im innocent " (c) av3k

Even av3k disagrees with you. Who are you defending at this point, where you go against what he thinks?

Is the punishment unjust and too harsh? Maybe, I don't have anything else than assumptions to work with. No real data to prove if he's right or wrong.

This is beside the point now, he did something wrong, even admitted that he's not innocent, whether you perceive it as bad or not.

What I'm trying to say is when does the second chance come into play? Av3k is remorseful, so is this guy.

Why was/is zeroQL so harshly judged, exiled by the community despite making hard efforts to reintegrate. Where was the compassion and humanity when he kindly requested one?

Heck, even Zhu could be placed in the similar realm. Doesn't everyone deserve a second chance?

Why do we react so harshly when someone attacks and threatens the integrity of a video-game, think of them as subhuman scum, even go so far to wish death upon them - but when someone is dealing drugs and admits that what he did was wrong, we start pondering about second chances and become compassionate.

Those are two different contexts. In a "game" context, it's easier to have a stricter moral stance than in real life. After all, games live off rules. In the "life" context... everyone knows she's a bitch, right? :P

Like I said, he didn't do anything wrong. I'm not always a Teen Drama Queen ;)

A wise man once told me.

If your gonna do the crime, better be prepared to do the time..........

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I'd say most people do find cheating worse than dealing drugs on some level.
Cheating pisses me off, I don't see it any other way than some sad fuck deliberately ruining other people's fun for his entertainment.
On the other hand I don't have a problem with a guy selling weed. That's simplifying it, and I'm not making arguments for permanent bans or blindly defending av3k, but it makes sense to me that people react that way.

Maybe because it doesn't affect your life as much. Come to think of it, it's kinda sad how someone not playing a game fairly pisses you more than something that might harm someone in real life.

I see where you're coming from and I respect your opinion, but would it change your mind knowing that your kid was offered or persuaded into buying drugs? How would you react knowing that some guy tried to hook your kids with coke? Would you reaction change if it affected you directly, or would you still say that cheaters are the scum of the earth (often trying out a hack out of curiosity) while drug dealers are "fine"?

Yeah that would make it more troublesome, I guess I'm going more off this particular case.

In the end, it's YOUR CHOICE if you try, buy and use weed (or any other drug). The dealer won't come barging in your house without ringing the bell and won't force you with a semi-automatic rifle to smoke this blunt, you fucking stranger OR ELSE.
The dealer himself might also has his / her circumstances and those circumstances might not be as simple as black or white (especially in poorer countries). It's all subjective. There might be cases where the punishment is legit and cases where it's just not. If nobody gets hurt in the process (besides the buyer's health but he/she is aware of it and still chooses to use substances), it's preferably the latter.

On the other hand, sad fuck cheater enters your game uninvited, ruining it (and ruining it for others as well if it's not duel), only for the purposes of his underachieving life's pathetic little amusement and for the fake feeling that he accomplished something which he would never be capable of otherwise.
Zero tolerancy.

I'm seeing an assload of people with the same negative attitude that you described towards Av3k. That negative attitude just has the small/medium majority as opposed to the overwhelming majority.

When someone cheats in a video game, it's easy to say "yeah, whatever, fuck you." Sure, cheating in a video game amounts to less, but it's 100% clear that they've done something wrong. What Av3k did, or what he's claiming to have actually done, is a little more morally dubious than cheating in a game. There are lots of flavors of "drug dealer" and it's not even exactly clear what Av3k has done. Especially the more marijuana'd people on this website or people with progressive views about drugs are going to be more supportive.

Plus, it's Av3k. You can't deny that he gets some points because he's Av3k. No one would care if someone made a post saying "We can't go into details, but Ephemix is having financial problems related to that publicized drug bust from 6 months ago and has already exhausted all of his personal means." If I had to guess, people would have the same "yeah, whatever, fuck you" attitude. But, Av3k, in the same circumstances, and people are willing to dial their sympathy up a little.

If Av3k was selling drugs to my cousin, I would definitely want him in prison and I wouldn't care if the sentence was unfair. If Av3k was selling weed, and weed exclusively, to my cousin, I might reconsider depending on how fucked up my cousin's life was as a result of him using weed/being in that circle. People keep saying "HE'S A DRUG DEALER LET HIM ROT", well sure. But when I think "drug dealer" I think cocaine, meth, something crazy like that. When people dial up their sympathy, they might see Av3k as "selling softer drugs to willing and knowledgeable people where ultimately no one gets hurt" and that's probably not worth 7 years in prison. The truth of the matter is probably somewhere in the middle.

So... 4 years? ;)

Aha, sure. Av3k even said that he'd be okay if the sentence were just 2-3 years, so 4 couldn't be too much worse.

Avek sold drugs to kids, not quake players.
This guy cheated quake players not kids.

We forgive Avek.

so you identify yourself as a quake player before a human being?

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This.

I think this is more about the rules and how we all perceive them. We agree to certain rules and we all know that those rules are carved into stones for all of us. It's like if your HP reaches zero, then you are dead. It's over, there is no such thing as "please give me a little more back, because I accidentally missed that MH at the corner". We can boil it down to black and white: Zero HP == dead, cheated in game == permaban, etc...

What happened to Avek is not something we all agreed on, we did not have clear rules set up before it happened (well, the law should be something like that, but that's not a subject we keep in mind or talk about here every time). Every one and each of us perceive it by his or her own standards and moral "compass"... that's why it's not that black and white anymore on a community scale.(even if it should be perhaps)

And don't forget that the life of the cheater is not in any danger, he/she is free to stay in the community and play as many other games as he/she like, but the rules can't be changed, 0 hp == 0 hp, end of story.

what is this 7th depths of hell? is it being eternally banned from a computer game? oh the horror. yes, it's totally the same thing as being locked up in Polish prison for 10 years. yeah, this is so sinister, how could people be so willing to ban cheaters and mock them, while being so accepting of weed grower getting a second chance for the best decade of his life? the perceptions of this community are way off!!!

Mind you, growing weed and selling it whilst being involved with a gang are in fact different.

Another unfounded insinuation. Just because the police liked to tout that they busted a "ring", which they always do, the actual relationship among those people is not clear at all.

Another out of context angsty reply.

If instead of blindingly smashing your proavek opinions on the keyboard you took a minute to read the whole branch of comments instead of focusing about gangs, you would have noticed that I used the word allegedly and emphasised it.

We have nothing but assumptions to work with. You swiftly dismissed my comment about a gang while clearly ignoring the fact that calling a dealer a mere grower seems just fine to you.

That is both hypocritical and self centred to push certain personal agendas instead of further explaining how come we react so differently when it comes to second chances in real life or games.

This was, as you might find out, the current topic of this sub branch.

The last push by MM was for adequate defense and a fair verdict.

Sorry, that was your point? Why "we react so differently when it comes to second chances in real life or games"? Well ask avek if he would prefer a ban in ql or a possibly vastly exaggerated prison sentence. He can probably tell you why "we react differently", seeing how you don't seem to be able to figure it out for yourself.

Don't believe any of that anyway. You're clearly insinuating and making worst case assumptions. Have been, all the time.

You're clearly insinuating and making worst case assumptions. Have been, all the time.

You are wrong, I did no such thing.
I can see you are easily upset and provoked because of this avek gaffe.

Your personal investment is clouding your judgement, you perceive anyone as enemies who doesn't strictly agree with your ideals.

Just because I removed a post from the frontpage (which we agreed not to publish in the first place) it doesn't make me an enemy of yours.

I also noticed you just now asked what was my point, maybe you don't have a balanced level headed opinion because you don't know what we're talking about and are too fixated on your goals to make avek happy.

determining the difference fairly seems to be a common desire

I personally believe the CURE is to ban all cheaters by penalty of DISMEMBERMENT with a VERTICAL VENGANCE.

That or force people to RUN a mile in cold BLOOD.

This world is so lost I tell you what.

Make them CAMP on highly-radiated GROUNDS after being dropped from an AEROplane, made them WALK 30 km straight in 37 degress with the tent and other equipment on their backs, fighting mutant ELDER grizzlies on the way barehanded.


huehue

years in prison is kind of different frrom being banned in a game tbh, i understand what your saying but being banned from quake isnt that life changing :D

inb4 quake is life

I know, It would be devastating being banned from QL

Cheating is immoral as fuck. Selling drugs is not. End of discussion.

There are unsuspecting victims in cheating cases. Drug dealing is an understanding between two parties.

Tbh they are suspicious even when you are clearly legit.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/

Ask ZeroQL for coaching

alternatively, he could just do the opposite of what zhu has been doing

People cheat for 1 reason and 1 reason only, they don't like to lose, so if they are losing that means they aren't as good as they want to be, that means they will always want to cheat because they haven't got the patience or the ability to be the player they want to be. Cheaters should be banned for life, they have no concept of losing so the chance they will start playing clean are minimal to none.

How do you know that?

nice bait

Nice reply, so am I right by saying you don't know that?

teen queen cheater confirmed

This.

Nice bait

It's not a bait, I bet you look at yourself and think "wow I'm a funny guy, I posted the same thing twice", but you're actually proving that you're not able to argue and that all you're capable is rehashing internet humor.

I'm asking you, how can you know the reason why anyone would start cheating? Have you talked to any cheaters? It's quite revealing, daddy is usually online at night EU time alone in a ZTN server.

Nice bait wat u expect m8?

Nice bait wot you expect m8?

Nice bait wot you expect m8?

What the actual fuck am I reading today?

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:D

This is literally worse than Auschwitz, possibly even worse than Avek.
All cheaters must hang.

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what?... Avek cheated on LAN??!?!?!

Yes, using banned substances.

well played refugee, well played...

- ql has no anticheat
- only morons would discuss this on esr
- ql support is incapable of reading letters or doing anything useful

The hypocrisy is real.

On the one hand they say 'lol its just quak game on the internets who cares if you're banned for life'

On the other hand someone cheating on you in quake is like the worst thing one could ever do to you, something which can never be forgiven.

So if its someone else quake is not important but when it is about you quake is like the most important thing, a privilege and something you are emotionally invested in.

It is really hypocritical to talk about 2nd chances and mistakes in real life and not apply it in virtual life. The way ppl still hate on zeroql is nothing but pathetic.

Hi cheater.

Interesting point of view, sadly you'll be greeted with rehashed twitch--tier one liners instead of actual replies.

Can we get Syncerror to weigh in on this ASAP? Some serious shit that needs to be handled.