My first first ever

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That's awesome by Zowie!
Btw. I think that prizes should be annouced after signing up. Nowadays only few people and clans cares about TDM at all. After annoucing donations and prizes before the tournament start it's obvious that some players will play and run only for the money :)

Isn't one of the ideas of including prices that you want to increase number of attendees by giving them some incentive?

correct :)

We made this clear, indeed

But that way he won't win anything

1st and 2nd div having basically the same prizepool would turn div2 into drama tbh

Or create equally intetesting and tense matches as well as div1. All comes down to right seeds imo, so admins better do their homework... Plus this almost equal destribution between divs combines within itself competition to get top3 as well as sort of fairness that says that its not about money after all, its about tdm

well, last season putting pacmen in div2 to rape everyone or allowing Silencep to play for div2 team was already stupid. Perfect unpredictable seeds are impossible, it's not 2000s, div2 winner is always known as soon as div is formed(unless teams start adding top players once it starts which should be forbidden tbh). It's not that I'm whining, sadly the community is too small nowadays to provide solid div2. I'd love to see competition there, but looking at the signups I'm not really feeling optimistic.

doubt that. There is a good chance to divide current teams into 2 skills divs, for example:
div1: 102, rekt, e4, dx, CZE, Last Men Standing
div2: everyone else.
Only 'bad thing' is that currently it wil be 6 to 9 teams ratio but at least matches will be more or less tense and no predictable top3
Lets hope some kind of noctan + ukn merger will happen to nEutralize teams ratio \:D/

But thats just my 2 cents

that's exactly my plan for the division at the moment - i doubt noctis is going to play quake again same goes for Unknown (MD)...

hope dies last hehe

but wouldnt it be cool to see some kind of noctis + winz/zyrinx/gerppa/l1nkin/whoever available team in aCtion...

sure i totally agree - it wont happen tho :(

you're no fun -____

its not like im asking to revive ic or [EYE].. you could have at least mention zyvve and deus maybe, or zik and v3rb, jeez, doz3r.. where is your dreamer nature?

;)

unless you're trying reverse psychology, in which case - wd!

word on the street is noctits signed up for a tdm tournament... In quakeworld. With CZM.

...and fox, tybalt and fazz.

i'm sorry i didn't include fox but i didn't know

damn.. any link?

http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql20/teams/16

What the hell, there is only one division?
New players will be completely destroyed by div0 teams (end up with negative score) and will prolly never touch QW again :/

Brand new players in QW ? :P

You forget planb in div1

4 x camade pencil sharpener

wp organisers
&
wp Zowie


(I just bought 'another' one of your excellent mice)

1st div 1st place: 80 eur apiece
2nd div 1st place: 75 eur apiece, maybe a bit less if you sell the mouse at a discount

Hmm.

We're not too happy with the prize distribution actually... We kinda rushed it. I guess we'll update it drastically :)

Nice sponsorship guys :)

Wd join pleaseeeee!!!

Hehe, I would love to, but I don't have team atm. And I wouldn't want to join just to count and not be able to give 100%. Right now , it's impossible.

Perhaps next season.

Z

looking for div2 team

Looking for airfare to EU and somewhere to stay.

*SUPER AWESOME*

800 EUR from community + Zowie stuff + good teams and players
Quakelive TDM community I love you so much.

Go dx- Go

<3

Another 300 Eur.
We'll have quakecon prizepool for the start of the league.

woah

Wouldn't it be wiser to use further donations for future cups?

THIS.

I WANT TO SEE AN NATIONS CUP AGAIN.

MAKE IT HAPPEN HoQ.

HoQ NATIONSCUP THIS WINTER. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

lol

elaborate, mate

how many nations would be able to field a full team atm?

tdmpickup is pretty active, duh

so how many then?

Obv. I don't know the exact situation of every nations but I'm pretty sure Germany, Italy, Poland, Russia, Netherland, Ukraine, France, Sweden, Great Britain, Czech can make a team (maybe even Spain, Belgium and other smaller countries). They can have problem to make a team with really best players, but they have 4 TDM players for sure.

And Russia would rape it all. I would rather have a draft series than a cup where there would be more wildcards called than in current HOQ and half the teams forced to play with players who have never played TDM.

I think Denmark could turn up with a team with an announcement of such a cup.

ZLC and you - inactive nightops, Juven1le, v1um - Do you really think they would come back?

V1um is the easiest one to get a hold of I think. I bet he's reading this already and having a boner at the slightest mention of nations cup.

In any case, if a nations cup was announced, I'm sure we'd be able to get the gang together again.

Not sure if I'd match up with the others if they were playing though.

Ideally ZLC, Nightops, Larslarslars and V1um would be the perfect danish setup

Juven1le is a has-been at this point unfortunately, it seems, so I'm not counting on him playing at the same level he did a few years ago.

Well the thing is a NC always represented the best players of each nation in the past. Those nations you mentioned lack those players nowadays besides Russia who would play with 102's lineup and the winner would be known before the cup starts.

Maybe a silly question... But why not do 3 divs to avoid unbalanced div2?

Moreover, there are still a couple of teams expected to sign up.. 3 divs would be reasonable.

Div2 was very unfair last time for clans like dloobik's clan (forgot the name). Hence my suggestion...

Agree, no div 3 is what's preventing me to sign up. People are just too good in div 2 for my clan. Yet all of us have played 500+ hours of quake, even tho TDM havnt been our priority. It's just not fun getting rekt 150-50 vs most div 2 teams.

Ennea.. Please signup. The admins are considering 3 divisions if we rreach 18 teams.

At the moment 15 are signed up.

PlanB will be 16th and your clan 17th.

One more clan and you'll play in division 3 on a fair basis.

"We can make 3 divisions if we get a few more teams to signup - 3x 6 teams or even 3x 7 teams... "

GOGO, SIGNUP

Totally agree.

div1: e4, rekt, cz, LMS, DM

div2: lp, dx, pimps, b52, scythe

div3: h8, ashlen, nerds, DL, zombei

This look more reasonable than only two divisions.

Yeah perfect IMO.
I don't think DX are div1 level and are probably at an even level with guys like lp

Also, planB will signup in div 1 (pecka just told me they're signing up)

http://elitefour.eu/images/results/pcw/07.09....Limbus.jpg
http://elitefour.eu/images/results/pcw/07.09....gatory.jpg

Looks div1 worthy to me,
If i didnt know you i would think you want rather easy matches and dont like a challange

Unless you're saying e4 not div1 team as well

Yeah except that that was with damage who has vanished.
And we are bearly beating pimps (who beat us in a pcw) and LP who nearly beat us in div2 last season when we were pacmen with Pseu.

man.. Dont be so shy.. Or innocent. With current state of game- if there is 2 or 3 divs, you guys belong in 1 no q asked.

Didnt look like damage was a major factor games were so close, especially on purga.

Wise words man! Thanks for cheering for us! Hugs

Un4 isn't shy, he is only aiming for the div2 prizepool! ;D

))

Well... following your way of thinking we should put last pick in div1 aswell, because they even won some maps against E4 in the previous scrims:

http://elitefour.eu/images/results/pcw/01.10....Inside.jpg
http://elitefour.eu/images/results/pcw/13.09....gnarok.jpg
http://elitefour.eu/images/results/pcw/06.09....Inside.jpg

And that's the real problem. Because dividing the current teams between only two division will be not only totally unfair and hurtful for most of them but also it will be really predictable who will win.
We (dioxide) had totally equal matches against div2 clans like b52 or pimps. We also had some close maps against E4. But in the other hand, we were mercied by Rekt. Does that mean that we belong to div1? I doubt it. Same goes for other teams. I dont think that some less experienced clans like Dretwe Lamy or Ashlen stands against clans like B52 or Last Pick in the div2. That's why we need 3 divisions - and we already have enough clans for do so.

Most of you surely remember Clan Base. Of course back then there were more clans to pick from but back then it was organized better. There were premier division, and then div1, div2 etc.
If we would put the current teams into their real divisions it would look something like that:

Premier Division: Rekt, CZ, LMS, DM
Div1: E4, Last pick, Dx, Plan B
Div2: Scythe, Pimps, Nerds, B52
Div3: H8, DL, Zombei, Ashlen

If the amount of clans per division is too small, think maybe about DO or BO5 maches. That will be more fair than separating these teams between only two divisions, or by putting clans like DL or h8 in the same basket as Last Pick and B52 or Dx with Rekt and DM.

rly nice seeds there. but nvm, its no win situation, imo. Not with this attitude.

funny tho how all this wall of text holds a simple desire to not be placed in div1 ( to challange yourself and try to improve ) and desire to most likely wreck div2 easily if u wish so

I just hoped ppl will be more enthusiastic to play in top division instead of repeating in every comment how they belong in div2 and not good enough

Mostly about having fun man.

It is no fun for lower end div 2 getting raped by high end div2.
It is also no fun for high end div2 teams being raped by high and low end div1 teams.. Hence dividing fairly and equally the teams into adapted divisions.

One guy here, namely Ennea, stated that he was discouraged in div2 because his team is not of div2 level.

I also recall v0 last season being mercied consecutively by all div2 clans.

As a result, none of these clans want to attend to this new and exciting season of hoq.

Are you getting my point here WrongPerson?

I play for the fun of it. I don't care about prizes. I have a well paying job with responsibilities and earning a free mouse is nonwhere near a motivational purpose for participating.
Heck, remove all div2 prizes and put them in div1. I'll still donate and request the fun of div2 over the prizes ;-)

I play because I've loved this game since quakeworld.

I also have a baby and wife and I play very little now. So the little time I spend playing quake should be a moment of pleasure for me consisting of fun and laughs with my mates. Playing in a division where I am sure to get wrecked by "nearly" all clans has the exact same effect on me as it did for guys like v0 last season.

If you want the game to keep going you need to create an even and fair league for every team, regardless of their skill level. That, at the moment, is not the case.

Hope you get me here.. I'm not judging nor criticising.. I am just trying to keep it going and trust me, dozer and others know, I am more implicated in keeping this loved game going than many can imagine ;-)

So um.. Am i getting it right, that its important for you, high end of div2 team, to have fun most likely winning div2 vs low end div2 teams, and its not fun for you to challange yourself and play with div1 teams?... Hmm.. So what about low end div2 teams? You think they will be having fun being destroyed by your team in div2? Or you dont care that far?.. Personally, by your story, you strike me as a simple person with good life who logically should care less of where his team will end, in div2 or div1, but unfortuntelly i dont see it from your comments., in fact, i see you care a lot. Also, no offense, but from the same story, you strike me as a person who also thinks mercylimit is a good feature., and we should all give up playing once there is 50frag diff... Catch my point, long time quake admirer?

Please re read my post.
Hence dividing into equal and fair divisions.
High end div2s with high end div2s (LP pimps b52 DX......)

I don't want to play to low end div2. I want them to have fun and play teams in their range.

I'll abandon the chit chat with you. You are one of those guys who likes to contradict on an empty basis regardless of what I will say so le'ts leave it here and part our ways ;-)

Nah, man.., all good points in your post above, just a bit contradictive within itself. If you didnt mention that you think dx is div2 in "nearly" every of your initial comments in this thread with your teammate, i wouldnt have thought of you as ignorant twat who wants to relax and mercy better half of div2 teams
but by all means, soz if offended you. do hf

also, at what point team decides to promote itself into div1 for next season? at point of winning div2 with mercy in final? or perhaps never since its all about fun

The thing about challenge and fun is that it has to involve healthy amount of uncertainty about the future. If I know that I'm going to get raped or if I know that I am going to rape, I will lose motivation. There is no uncertainty in those outcomes and it wont be fun.

The points that DX brings up are valid. They are not advocating for them to be able to rape DIV2 because they proposed 2 different division systems, where they actually moved the teams they would rape into lower divisions. They are advocating for everyone to have a fun experience.

I'm currently thinking that maybe it would be/have been better idea to promote 4 divisions and then if they don't fill up, merge the ones with too few teams or move teams around. This would give clear indication to more teams that they would have a more matching division leading to a more fun experience.

Thank you Rehe for supporting and mostly understanding my point of view.

well, if DX dont wanna go up a div and lvl up, and they kind of "won" the spot for div 1, why dont give the spot to the team that lost last map with 2 frags and let them lvl up insted, I mean, they might be a bit more hungry for it? prehaps mb : ]

// fresARN

Good points. 4divs that suggested by gog are actually pretty legit.
And ye, i get their concerns, all valid. Its just, in my book, if ppl won previous seasons div2 they would be eager to play div1, rather than ask to be placed again in same div, on the same skill level.
Thats just doesnt register as evolving or progression to me. I mean, how a team/player supposed to become better if it/he is not being challenged by much better teams/players.. There goes my motivation tbh.. They can help teams reach their level in div2, i guess, but with this rate they will never be div1 material.
Although, i suppose im looking into semi dead game and scene through black and white goggles, where ppl in fact dont care about improving and learning and happy with whatever skill they got...
Pity to see an only league tdm have without accent on professional healthy competition. I guess i had too much fun from playing pickups that i started to treat every tournament and league like serious business

"where ppl in fact dont care about improving and learning and happy with whatever skill they got"

That's pretty much the key. To make a leap from lower division to a competitor in a higher one you need to put in the hours against those higher teams. Currently people are busy with other stuff in life and on top of that it's really hard to find higher DIV teams to pracc with. So their only pracc against DIV1 would be to get raped for 4 offcial games, and then next "pracc" will be in next HoQ. That's not enough.

something something something challenge, something something competition, something something dead game, somethint somethint my black/white glasses, something something competition.

LOL what if they just want to have some HEALTHY CHALLENGE and fun for 1-2 hrs, and to have even chances to compete for the prize, rather then just get raped in higher div? YEAH YEAH sometimes its just about having fun, and i see no fun in getting raped in 8 games straight, unless u are trying to improve and put a lot of time in it. If u want some challenge go ahead and challenge ur self, and dont make other people look hungry for prizes, just cuz they want to have healty challenge and fun instead of getting raped.

Believe it or not, but personally I don't care that much about the prizes and statement about 'wrecking other clans' is just wrong. I've registred Dx far before the prizes were even revealed and I asked doz3r about playing in div2 long before there were so many clans in the singup list. I like being challenged, that's why I'm playing this game for so long, but I care more about fairness. By putting so many clans in the same basked with other, far stronger clans is a bad thing, not only for the HoQ league itselft, but for TDM overall. Becasue of that it will end with plenty of w/o and no shows, as it was several times before in the previous HoQ seasons.

"I like being challenged"

That is literally true

Haha yeah :D

http://www.memes.com/img/377782

'I like being challenged' & 'asking to play div2' does not rly compute together

Whats ur ql nick? Id like to see you try and play div2 teams :)

i'm intrigued how this goes

touche

You have a point. He might struggle 1v4.

well if you think that this was implied, then you lack common sense.

so what kind of a team does he have to be in to prove himself to you?

He made a comment which implied that div2 is not challenging. So I'd like to see him play for an average div2 team (assuming theres 3 divs) and see him not being the weak link.

If he doesnt have oldschool tdm experience and doesnt know the current maps, he will have a pretty hard time. Thats my point.

Oh man you really have no clue who he is do you? :D
He is/was one of the best TDM players ever seen on this planet....

Deleteww__

?

hahaha good one gogi :P

I said "If he doesnt have oldschool tdm experience and doesnt know the current maps, he will have a pretty hard time. Thats my point. "

Anyway, who is it?

Doesn't matter. The whole conversation is a moopoint.

Well I didnt know its Fearzzz. Yea its easy for you guys to play div1 tdm, but for someone like me, whos pretty new to quake (at least compared to you and Fearzzz) a comment making fun of div2 skill just seems arrogant.

You are right tho, the whole argument was a waste of time.

ouch gg

Why do you guys think LMS is a div1 level team?:D Besides Silencep, others barely even play TDM afaik.

Now i know what h8m3 was talking about...

:D you see there's drama before it even started :D

That's something for doz3r to decide, I'm sure he'll hear you :)

Spoke to dozer about it just now.

Fyi pacmen won against lp 2-1 in div2 finals in an overtime by 2 frags (and that was with our best player Pseu who won't be participating in this season).

So by all means we were not over the level abusively by being in div2.

Just me being humble about it.

(DX and Pacmen have merged).

pacmen was never the same without seishin

lol :D

We can make 3 divisions if we get a few more teams to signup - 3x 6 teams or even 3x 7 teams...

Why cant we have 3 divisions with 15 teams?

5 teams = 4 matches... not enough !

match and rematch maybe?

That's an idea to discuss, but we prefer more teams for now

this is a really good idea, actually.

Suits a league, the match and rematch system.


DOZ3R THINK ABOUT IT

The HoQ system doesn't feature a match/rematch schedule so it's not going to happen

I bet you are smart enough to figure out a work-around. Maybe just make 2 seperate leagues, one called STAGE1, other called STAGE2 ?

It's not about being smart the HoQ backend system doesn't feature that - it would need a complete recoding which wont happen in the near future....

What about my proposed workaround?

Cmon, the league doesnt have to be pretty and everything, do it for the players! :( (And yes, I realize you do a FUCKTON already for the tdm community, but why stop here? Please consider it!)

I think his proposal is intriguing. Getting to play the teams twice gives different dynamics and would be neat with smaller divisions. Ideally the second half of the season could be arranged so that the top2 of the first half would meet last in the second half which potentially gives a "finals" effect.

Think you need a decent esr post for those who are in Ennia's case to see. Doubt they will see a little reply on here ..

Go for it dozer/xou!

my Zowie was like 80 Euros off official store delivered, maybe 75.

How is Div2 prize better then Div1

wtf is a G-TFX ? is that a control version and G-SR is speed?

G-SR is 30 euros = 10 delivery, so again Div2 have bigger prize? G-TFX is 35 euros + 10 shipping

http://www.esreality.com/post/2775111/n-a/#pid2775111

where's ragers/4oldmen?

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Love you guys xxx

Proove it! Cast it! :-D

cast! cast! cast!!!!

Totally agree with GogettO about 3 divisions \o>

Most of us do ;-)

Thanks, but that was un4x's idea tbh :)

If me and zeroql get a team can we play in second division? too rusty

ok i will play

You'll noshow out of the league in notime right? :)

zeroql? ROFL are u kidding me?

Nice.

Need to work up my way into solid div2 for next season. :>

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Big up!

It is a very hard task for organisers I must admit. Respect to xou and dozer.

But a good organisation is required to satisfy everyone and make it enjoyable for all levels. That is why clanbase was successfull at the time. It aimed at making sure all teams were in a division containing clans of their skill range.

Hope we reach 18 clans here. It will favour all the lower end div2 and potential div3 players.

A little update on prize distribution and 3 divisions

So is it 2 or 3 divisons xou? You've left both options in the topic ;-)

Oh I just saw the pre requisites. 18 teams needed. Xou, wouldn't it be a good idea to publish a new articled in esr to encourage the div3 clans to sign up?

I'm not sure they have read or will read all the content here and may not attend due to lack of info.

This is on front page of ESR, it's on Plus Forward and on FPS Pulse... This should be enough I guess. If you can think of other places, let us know

Xou I meant a new article to recruit 2 more clans ;-)

That'd be called flood :)

Nice news!

If anybody needs a dinosaure to play among them, I could free the needed time to pracc and play!

Do not hesitate! :)

haha

With current prize pool, imo;

Division 1

- 1st : 340 EUR
- 2nd: 260 EUR
- 3rd : 180 EUR

Division 2

- 1st : 100 EUR + 4x ZOWIE ZA 12 mice
- 2nd: 80 EUR + 4x ZOWIE G-TFX mousepads
- 3rd : 60 EUR + 4x ZOWIE Camade mouse bungees


Division 3

- 1st : 50 EUR

Nah, ZOWIE goes to div1 :)

I bet they would prefer more money.

Yes, div1 would prefer all the price pool to be invested in div1, preferably top3 or top-whatever-my-team-finishes-in.

Also, "310 EUR + 4x ZOWIE ZA 12 mice" vs "340 EUR"? Your logic really boggles me.

Nah. The prizes are meant as an incentive to finish the season. That's why 3 divs + some prizes for all would be the ideal case.

Fair games, close games (hopefully) and the incentive to keep going after a loss (to reach place 3 etc.). Dumping all the stuff in div 1 would defeat that purpose. Noones getting rich winning this stuff anyway :)

Yes, that's the obvious rational good sport thing to do, and I agree.

I was just picking on nymphets wisdom and inane proposals/assumptions.

Two more teams please! Three divisions for the win!

Doesn't seem to want to happen :-(

Ok we seek 1 or 2 players for a division 3 TDM team. Add me in quakelive. nick "edsky" or come to teamspeak server tdmpickup.eu and join my channel. You need to be able to use teamspeak. We play some TDM but mostly CA. I've discussed and we might have some coaching from more one or two more experienced TDM players. We are currently 3 players with an avg of 2k elo in CA which we mostly played.

Do it fast please since registration closes veryveryvery soon.(but seems like we are being granted a bit more time after all)

Maybe you will find someone on #tdmpickup

One ... more ...

New addition added to the teams signed up!! Just one more team and we can have three divisions! Why is everyone pushing so hard for three divisions? Better games for the players and the viewers. Simple as that!

Lets go peoples!!! You can do it!!

https://twitter.com/FlairTV1/status/653356687030554624

Why cant we have 3 divs with 17 teams?

I know that 6 6 6 is a magic number but whats the problem with 5 6 6 or even 5 7 5?

I think with 17 teams dozer will go for 3 divs anyway. But ideally 18 would be great and the best hoq season since 2012

Get Averagers or Meltdown to do it really.

Signups will be extended to Tuesday 13th 22:00 - draft division will be released Wednesday

Another nice donation, 150€ :)

nice. save it for next league or inject it in this one?

this one

Got fucked :D

what do you mean?

He took it in his ass - and he liked it ;)

Lets get next cup up to 2k prizemoney + more sponsors.

We have 18 teams now and going for 3 divisions - signups closed

Where can I get the demos matches? Is there anywhere I can get it, and also the demos from previous seasons? Plz, make it happen!!

Draft divisions can be seen here http://www.houseofquake.com/leagues/view/25 - if you don't agree let me or xou know

I'd move dx to div1(7 teams is okay) and nerds to div2(they are way too strong for div3)

demon got fucked?

when u contact a player for 72 hours and u dont get a reply

and typical demon replys sunday 21.30.. at that point 30 min from orignal closing

then u asked to be fucked

btw demon didnt u told ppl u would give money back for donation for the qcon money sucking ? 2 years ago?

cant win money with u bro i better put it in my own pocket

its prohan baby

*cringe*

So how many games did Gohan play so far for his team? :D