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DooM has movement and guns?
That's literally Quake!

pcpowerplay still exists? wow

Unless the guy who said it "felt like Quake" can zip around a map and hit say 450-500 UPS and hit decent accuracy while doing so I wouldn't trust his opinion on how it feels.

Perhaps he meant "it feels like Quake" for 99,9% of the people they will get money from.

media stuff, see also
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-10-22-...s-of-quake

Sounds just too good.

I'm not sure how valuable the opinion of an interviewer is when (s)he first says the game felt a lot like quake but immediately after states that (s)he was not able to identify whether or not the game actually had health regen.

journalists

console-oriented first person shooter feels like quake? seriously????? i bet it feels like duck hunter on SNES

duck hunt is awesme!

Unlike either of you two as I believe duck hunt was on the NES, not the SNES.

does not change the fact that its awesome

Questions that I'd like to have answered:

Is there any e-sport focus? Or is it more like Battlefield and other console games where everyone is just supposed to "have fun".

Is strafejumping in?

Pretty sure there is no strafejumping

/love

Rage has strafejumping. So it's a good chance that Doom4 do too.

I remember hearing somewhere that it didnt. But I cant remember where I heard that and I'm aware how useless this information is without a source

Did wolfenstein have strafe jumping? Same engine version as doom right?

rage did had strafing, but somewhat "stranger".

Slasher confirmed there was no advanced movement at Quakecon 2015. So there is no strafe jumping.

Is there any e-sport focus? Or is it more like Battlefield and other console games where everyone is just supposed to "have fun".

Option B.

Is strafejumping in?

Read the interview mate.

yes. its totally clear the focus is casual fun. nobody said a think about esport. its all about the sp part.

if MPis gona pickup they said there is a posibility they will work on esport side fo things

i overlived the painkiller cpl hype, q4 mp release fiasko, three promises that a rtcw/enemy territory mp follower will come out (quakewars, wolfenstein 2009, brink), thefly from esl once said brink has esport potential. im not the right guy anymore to make hope for a good mp.

>they said there is a posibility they will work on esport side fo things

i interpret it as a diplomatic answere. it means maybe, could be.

im not sure today you can develop something with a maybe. you know that the highest sales goes for the console versions.

there are ppl who say newer versions of call of duty are esport ...

but! id has knowledge of shoot mechanics, hitregistration. i give them that.

mmm wasnt there a rumor that an external studio helps with the multiplayer. who is it.

Opinion on the game not changed at all after reading that

why is this frontpage content?

Are there any reasons (that are not your personal opinions about an unfinished game) that it shouldn't be?

this is really cluttering up the front page, it's totally obscuring all the major quake news updates!!!!!!!

OH SHIIIIIIIIIiiiit!!

reason? a so called journalist stating doom4 is like quake, which obviously not true. we all saw the leaked footage, we all heard the qcon players experience.

this news could be from you. dont get me wrong, i like your contributions a lot!

R is respawn instead of reload thats kind of lame.

unbind ; bind

seems all weapons work with cooldown instead of reloading its just so ingrained that r is reload

Respawn was Space Bar actually when i tried the alpha. Think 'R' or 'E' was the grenade designation. Blew myself up a bunch of times trying to switch back to Rocket. Good times :)

i remember when i first started Quake thinking it was odd there was no reload. That and CTF had no friendly fire. Of course now I see why that is in both cases

Have to say, I enjoyed myself in the game. My main complaint would be too much graphic noise from the environment and from the weapons.

what a shitpost rly... could not find any donate link.

We went into this saying, Doom is slow. Movement is not the most important thing in the game. Movement and guns, certainly from a multiplayer perspective, and then I’ve said demons is the only key ingredient, and we’ve brought that into the multiplayer, as well. So it was this meshing of principles, I guess, as much as anything that really happened to work well over the course of single-player and multiplayer.

Did you play it? If yes, did you like it?

yes, no.

So, did it have Strafe jumping?

yes, but no (c) cooller

No, it has no way to accelerate. There's no strafejumping, no sprint and no boost for the double jump.

It's just a regular walkspeed comparable to quakelive with no way to speed up.

Also the reason for this is that doom is made as a singleplayer game, the multiplayer is not made to be competitive. At least thats what Syncerror and sponge said at Quakecon.

This is an obvious attempt to get quakers to buy the game.

if it really felt like quake we would have seen that from the trailer by now. No strafejumping yet so hard to call it quake without that.. In the end however it will be a better game than quake live, it just shouldn't be considered a quake title as stratton implies.

In the end however it will be a better game than quake live

Remains to be seen, isn't it ?

the trailer alone already proves that unless you prefer 10 year old graphics, which is what 95% of all gamers will base their preference on.

Trailer never proves anything for any product. And rest of your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

That is some extremely flawed reasoning, and demonstrably false as well. By that reasoning any AAA released in the last 10 years is better than QL.

But of course, the most popular games out there aren't the ones with the best effects or what have you. It is your Minecrafts, Dayz, Portals and Undertales and whatver else that captures people's imaginations.

So, no. For 95% of the public (or any other figure you may pull out of your ass based off of nothing but your preconceptions) , fancy graphics is not what matters most.

newslfash, almost every title out now has fancy graphics. 99% of everyone that will try the new doom will be new to it, and any other id title. You have this flawed perception that only quakers will play doom. How many rage players do you know?

What do you do for a living, presuming you're not a highschool kid who's sole interest is to keep his room clean and do the dishes once a week so you don't upset your caretakers?

How dare they trying to sell a product, they should just flat out tell everyone that it's garbage and they shouldn't buy it. See how that works out from a marketing point of view.

Also, why would anyone want to target quakers? You really think they're so desperate to grab all ~3000 of us?

Each of us is worth five elitists from any other game.

obvious attempt to influence a group of almost no one

I wish there was a way to participate in the Beta testing without purchasing wolfenstein.....

there were beta keys flowting around in keyshops.

That was so dreadful to read tbh. With all that conversational parasites written like like fun like like fun fun-like fun, like honestly, fun, like really really fun

MARTY STRATTON = STAPLE

you know like jumping up there. it's like fun.

nice find!

Doom meets Prey meets Gears

Doom meets Prey meets Gears meets Halo meets Red Faction

That looks so slow :(.

lol that announcer is even more ghey than mr piccolo D:
they will probably change it tho, its still pre alpha

Even an annoucer sounds to be bored of this generic Halo looking - shit.

So it is unreal-tournament-fast, not doom-2-fast. Pity. :(

Console crowd can't handle that speed. I think bethesda said to Id just copy other titles... this game seems to have taken aspects of other titles that worked well for them. I'm glad Id is kinda giving a shit about the multilayer portion this time

same here, im glad they took strafe jump away for non quakers.
lemme know wtf are static gun, voltex rifle, repeater etc after playing the alpha.

and machine games with the new wolfenstein was clever enough to come to the conclusion, only do a multiplayer if you are able to.

I can see your Halo Halo Halo

at 2:oo wat?! the announcer says genocide, really?

well, genocide means 'killing group of people'. Like Japanese genocide on Chinese.

hmm... can't decide if what i saw is good. closeup supershotty no kill? :o

is the music from front line assembly?

While that gameplay does look like shit, if noobs were to showcase Q3/QW/PK/Reflex the footage wouldn't show how the dedicated players (us) would play the actual game. Noobs -like those in the video- don't even jump, so for us that video is not conclusive at all.

I mean, strafe jumping, air control and whatever else is a bug, that a mere 5% of the players know how to abuse despite that bug being the core of the game for us. Heck, 0.1% of those that ever played Quake can time items, and to regular players Doom 2 multiplayer is the exact same thing as what you saw. So what I want to say, maybe believe, is that there's still hope for Doom 4, since noobs can't showcase competitive gameplay at all and only dedicated players like us can understand and show the game's potential. Lets try the game first and draw our own conclusions.

edit: added dramatism.

I'm hoping this is true - what we're seeing here is complete casuals who aren't even aware that you can move faster and land some nice movement tricks while simultaneously tracking opponent with a hitscan weapon.


if you saw those videos of presumably "legends of gaming" playing Doom 3 or whatever, you saw that "stock" wasd+mouse to look around movement, pretty much the same.

Just take a look at a random YT video from regular players



Game looks tripe.

jumping ship to doom?

strange how you go from one id corporate title to the next.

but you're not employed with id... no no... impossible...

rofl

By that logic aren't you yourself employed by one of id's competitors?

funny how you of all people got defensive on that. ;)

looking forward to your doom hype!

That's because it's hurtful and you don't seem to notice.

As for me, I'll buy it when it comes out and that's it. My biggest problem with it is how slow it looks. I'm still hoping we'll be able to speed things up eventually.

FPS fan shares something about the new version of the FPS that started it all for most gamers, in relevant thread, SHOCK!

If posting a link to a YouTube video is all it takes to be employed by a developer, sign me the fuck up. I'll youtube shit everywhere.

If you wanna see real id employees, you gotta look there :
http://steamcommunity.com/app/282440/discussi...589927642/

You WILL be giving me my 10 dollars back, I've got a hot date at Taco Bell with the cashier later. I NEED that ten dollars.

lol looks like shit, maybe single player will be good at least

I hope they unlock player movement modding, I would mod the hell out of it.

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i beg to differ. its a good interview, a summery what was told until now. the info about the personal teleporter came up with the alpha faq.

personally i want to hear a leveldesigner perspective, about the elements hordes, dodge or cover, melee, jumppads, monster teleporter attacks. in relation to the singleplayer.

even if you all wont like doom 4 now or on release. its historically important for id. if its flops, you all know what will happened.

And if it won't flop their next game will be good?

i dont know how to counter your sentence. you got me.

is that halo?

It's both unfortunate and understandable that the game is built with consoles in mind. If snapmap allowed to tweak the physics or even run custom code for certain game elements, I think this would make a hell of a base to build a proper game. The visuals and the sounds are super cool.

I would still love to try it.

who will be the first in snapmap to do q3dm6 and ztn :D

Whilst having to always rocket jump to red on ztn and rocket jump to get from bridge to rail on dm6, no less.

because geometry cannot be altered to fit the movement!

You missed the point.

i just let it pass by (:

i meant it as a joke.

in the meantime i watched the trailer a few times. its safe to say q3 maps make no sense with d4 mp movement.

Doublejumps, dummy.

I think you're asking for too much from a console game... really. think about all the demands u just asked for. They already let you build maps and things until the game crashes*

*marty said in a talk somewhere that ppl could push the limits of the engine to this extent

you're basically saying make the game open source so the community can do w/e it wants with it.. create hacks for it, mod it, etc.

I think that's way too much to ask from a game thats meant to be a AAA shooter meant to please the average gamer than some hardcore fan (which there are far fewer of)

Also:

Marty: we are putting what we think is going to appeal to a massive audience now whether you’ve played Doom or this is your first game that we think is fun.

Yeah, I know. I'm not expecting to be able to do that much. I'm just saying that the visuals and audio are pretty awesome, and that this represent the quality I'd like to see in a game one could mod.

How much are Id Software paying you to shill for them on ESR?

how often do you play dino d-day

:D

From your lips to God's ears, if only I would get paid for anything I've ever done on this website.

What's with posting the click bait portion of the article and not some informative shit that was in there as well (talking bout the main post here with the interview part)

I picked the ones that caught my eye.

If I picked something that you consider informative, someone might have asked why I didn't include the part about health regen.

It's impossible to please everyone.

this looks like any other generic console shooter...

how is this special? "movement felt a lot like quake"... lol, what a joke...

where did all the innovation go? first doom was revolutionary... all it's left is the brand, ready to milk money from clueless consumers

calling it "Doom" is an insult tbh... more fitting would be Call of Battlefield: Advanced Titanfall (Space Edition)

at least it is better not to make it like a quake clone(even if it is the proper game for some of you) since it is not innovative anymore neither and most users tend to quit that game quickly.
maybe overwatch can be more innovative.
but we will have to play first and find out.

where did all the innovation go?

Pasted from the other thread: Double jumps, mantling, new weapons, 2+ altfires for each weapon, new powerups like demon mode, new gamemodes like freeze tag, and that's not even mentioning the custom modes the community will create.

calling it "Doom" is an insult tbh... more fitting would be Call of Battlefield: Advanced Titanfall (Space Edition)

Now you're just being a wanker.

i don't consider anything you mentioned as innovative ...

Then you're being intelectually dishonest.

Using your words then.

Call of Battlefield: Advanced Titanfall (Space Edition)

It isn't like Call of Duty because there's no sprint, TTK is high, there are no killstreaks, not all guns are hitscan.
It isn't like Battlefield for similar reasons. Plus, no vehicles, aka the biggest feature of Battlefield games.
It's isn't like AW because it isn't CoD.
It isn't like Titanfall because there are only players, maps are smaller, and there are no fucking Titans.
Only thing you got right is that it takes place in Space. And you forgot, you know, Hell.

good job on nitpicking those differences... did it take you 3 hours?

point still stands: nothing new in the game and calling it "Doom" is a disgrace
also no point in arguing with Anonymous... might me talking to Zenimax PR Department

have fun with your game...

good job on nitpicking those differences... did it take you 3 hours?

I can't be here all the time.
It's not nitpicking, is deconstructing your comparison to make you see how absurd it really is.
Saying there's nothing new in the game is, again, false. The combination of mechanics alone is rather new.

also no point in arguing with Anonymous... might me talking to Zenimax PR Department

Yes, you got me. We at Zenimax recognize that the opinion of esreality users is what makes of breaks a game.

have fun with your game...

I don't think I'll buy it.

lmao i cant believe u actually came up with and posted a thought out response to that guy

Please.
I could take any 2 games and point out the differences.
"Call of duty 2 is not like Call of Duty 4 because it's World War 2."
Just as you can find differences you can find similarities.

And copying stuff from other games is not what innovation is. Just because you introduce elements that are new to the Doom franschise doesn't mean they are innovative.
All the things you mentioned have we seen before in other games.

I could take any 2 games and point out the differences.
"Call of duty 2 is not like Call of Duty 4 because it's World War 2."

I only referred to gameplay comparisons, except on the last point, where it was relevant.

Just as you can find differences you can find similarities.

Nowhere near as many when you are talking about those games.
The game this most resembles, Halo, is not even mentioned.

And copying stuff from other games is not what innovation is. Just because you introduce elements that are new to the Doom franschise doesn't mean they are innovative.

A new combination of existing ideas has the potential to feel fresh.

how do you want to innovate the fps (quake) multiplayer genre?
how do you want to innovate the rts (starcraft) multiplayer genre?
how do you want to innovate the moba (league of legends) multiplayer genre?

the changes you can make are so minimal, you cant really make a difference, so its all about being the first to invent the genre and then put all power on MARKETING, MARKETING, MARKETING

you're probably right...

id software needs to make money and this game is going to just that. Maybe afterwards they can put out a game with esports as a main focus.

Not going to happen. It's really not their culture. Ofc anything can happen, but realistically speaking say they do a Quake 5, they are likely going to apply the well known formula (single player, plus a bit of multiplayer). They won't do what Riot did with lol, because it's not the right kind of people.

Of the big devs, I think only valve could pull it off, because they are so financially profitable that they might hire some younger people who grew up with competitive gaming and go wild. Otherwise small teams might try to get something out, but the main issue I see is that any production like that will lack the polish/quality AAA studios can afford, and that actually matters a lot to a game success.

Hence, I just wished people could mod games as it used to be. Think of having access to the assets you see with doom, but be able to customize core elements like movement etc. Again, I doubt it's possible, but hope dies last I guess.

Have a little more faith in them :)

I'd love to be proven wrong.

they gonna fix the netcode of ql?

hookers and drugs > esports

hookers sweets and drugs > esports

No strafing... "For me it felt a lot like quake" LOL. Seriously that had me laughing.

So far Doom 4 MP looks exactly like I predicted it would 5 years ago, a console game made specifically for xbox controllers. COD and BF players won't play it for longer than 2 days because It's not set in a realistic war zone, they will soon tire of all the fire and hell stuff once the graphical high wears off.. The old doom and quake crowd won't play for long because, well look at it, It's a slow and cumbersome pile of shit with no potential future competition value whatsoever.

Short term Sales. That's all that really matters to these people. Build the hype, sell the product and move onto the next project. But that's id software in a nutshell now. No new ideas just the same old dull promote, promote, promote. develop, promote, sell, sell, sell rhetoric. Will I buy it? probably

tl;dr version: jerking off your xbox controller = l33t asf.

Doom minimum system requirements



http://www.game-debate.com/news/?news=18409&a...quirements

Nice, Finally get to quit shitty quakelive.

you evaluate something as shit and yet still invest your free time into it?

Yes, I wasted my time playing this game.

"For me it felt a lot like quake"

Fucking oaf.

hope its newb-friendly and the competitive players move on to quake

it's faster than doom 3, a good start i guess

and it has some kind of sniper weapon

Anyone wanna pm me an unlisted video with like 5 hrs of gameplay? :D

"That classic Cacodemon, then they’re working on something new and they’re putting all of their years of knowledge and experience and sensibilities into it and just coming up with something that’s fresh and new and cool. Like cool now: cool for what Doom is now. But the way I like to describe it is if you play Doom or you know Doom or you love Doom, we’re kind of giving you the little elbow in the ribs. ‘Huh, you see that. You see that?’ "

Oooooookay?

They update doom 1/2 design elements in a way that pleases both the CODBFkid newcomer and the nostalgic old fucks.

so this game will be a blend of design in between audience of halo and dudes that played doom 2 for their first time beeing 16/18? which means they are nearly 50 now.

so here's the skill ceiling they are going for

I Love money money. I can't stop making money everyday.

I played trailer video at 2x speed and it was amazing