That cat is so confused lol

Lollolpops

I've just joined three different "Classic FFA" servers and none of them had classic movement.

When was "bunnyhopping" actually added to Quake? I've asked a number of people and no one seems to know.

- Players may now hold forward and jump to 'bunny hop', allowing them to slowly gain up to 2x their base movement speed.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2646788

27 August 2014

Wow, really? I knew autohop came with the loadouts update obviously, but this hardly got any attention. I mean, even this thread didn't get any replies for weeks....

Adding "bunnyhopping" for speed boost is an even bigger deal than autohop. Both combined is ridiculous. I guess that explains how a new playstyle emerged of people just holding +moveup +attack and +forward and flying around the map spamming rockets. Awesome.

It got little attention because it does basically nothing. Try it.

I wouldn't call 600+ ups nothing.

I originally thought autohop wasn't a big deal but when I saw the playstyles that developed in ffa I changed my mind. Bunnyhopping+autohop can be really awful.

Can you tell me how long it takes to reach this speed that way?

Seems to be around 3 seconds to hit 550 ups and 4.5 seconds to reach 600.

Honestly, by that time, you've hit a wall already. I guess it can help on huge maps but that's about it. Anyone using this instead of a regular circle jump with a little bit of strafing is at a great disadvantage.

I'm not worried about losing ffa matches to people holding +moveup, +attack and +forward with RL all game, it's just annoying and makes the game shittier.

bunnyhop is the new Classic

lol

Some of thoose classic ffa servers even have broken stepheight making some maps broken

oh wow, thank you. i knew there was something off with the jumping.

TL;DR

Someone complaining about how the actual owner of the server has set up the server to his/her own liking.

they want entirely classic settings but simply don't know about this command

Or, most likely, they don't give a shit.

Server "owners" are not game designers. There's supposed to be something called "game design" and it's supposed to be the domain of developers/designers.

posting in a raythenoob thread.

Don't do it chucker. Think about your family!

My family will be just fine....I am not worried at all :)

pmove_bunnyhop 1 is actualy a very nice addition to QL.

Good thread.

One of the most annoying changes the loadout scrubdate brought to QL, because now by default everything (except duel) doesn't use the competitive movement physics of leagues, tournaments and lans.

I talked to server owners in tdm, ctf and ffa about pmove_bunnyhop and most didn't even know what it does, but instantly turned it off after I explained it to them.
After I got bored of explaining it again and again, I tried to convince the devs in #quakelive to set the default to 0, but I had four problems:
1)
Spacectf shit noobs advocate for 1, although they don't even know what the setting actually does.
2)
Retards don't see decoupled rulesets as a problem.
3)
Morons think it helps new players to learn the competitive movement, which it doesn't, while there are no new players anyway.
4)
The donut-driven devs love their scrubdate.

They're making decisions based on spacectf? That's a new low.

I happen to think the loadouts were actually the least shitty part of the so-called loadout update. Sure the rocket/sg spam sucked, but picking up weapons isn't really a skill... Strafe jumping, timing -- those are skills contaminated by autohop, bunnyhopping, timers, etc.

Decoupled rulesets are definitely a terrible thing. The idea that "server admins" or players should have unlimited control over all these variables is pretty ridiculous. What ever happened to "game design"? This is how we ended up with 30 player FFA matches being the norm in NA.

Please don't remind me about the loadout cancer.
Game design in QL? Lol.

I does make the game less...coherent.
IMO it's kind of ridiculous to have different movement physics in Duel than in the other modes.
Most people don't know about it either, even though it's been like this since August 2014.

The difference is so small that you don't feel it when playing but if you jump from a CA/FFA/CTF server to a Duel server you might subconsiously change your strafing to compensate for it.
It's hard to know if it really affects your gameplay but it's also hard to pinpoint what makes something feel "off" when it does.
Like jumping on the pillars to the RL on T7 might be slightly different.

All "trick jumps" should also be easier to execute in other modes than in Duel(or on servers where the host has disabled pmove_bunnyhop) since you will continue to accelerate even if you lose the correct angle. Like bridge to rail on DM6 or CJ to RA on Aerowalk.
One normal jump with the new physics accelerate you to about 390 UPS instead of it capping at 320. Quite the difference.

One normal jump with the new physics accelerate you to about 390 UPS instead of it capping at 320. Quite the difference.

Nope. A single jump while holding forward, starting at 320 ups, brings you to about 360 ups when you land again. Unless you're talking about PQL or servers with some other cvars modified? To give you a better idea, if you start from the bridge's stairs (up) on dm6 and hold jump+forward in the hallway towards pillars, you hit the curved wall in the pillars room at around 500 ups.
(with a circle jump+strafe jumping you should reach that wall at about 700 ups regardless of pmove_bunnyhop)

Dunno man, something must be fucked with my speedometer then. Seems to land on 398 UPS:

This is from a game I started with the default FFA ruleset.
I got the same speeds when I joined several CA servers..

Well I'm not sure what to say...

Ok... I understand the issue. I can't believe nobody in a year and a half noticed it. It also explains partly why this bunnyhop was such a big issue for many people...

IT'S FUCKING FRAMERATE DEPENDENT.

Try it with com_maxfps 30, you gain almost no speed. Then try 250 and there you go, full speed ahead! Ugh, I'm gonna try to get that fixed now.

Haha yes I just realized it when I woke up this morning(afternoon) and just tested with 125 FPS myself.
In my video I'm playing on stable 250 FPS, but recording the demo with fraps so the speed is not affected although my framerate jumps. So 398 seems to be the top speed after one jump if you play with 250 FPS and ~360 UPS when playing with 125 FPS.

Oh great,
you found out what it does, after you plussed the spacectf-monkey's cat, claimed bunnyhopping basically does nothing and compared 500ups stationary-xhair-bunnyhopping with 700ups dancing-xhair-strafejumping, instead with 320ups stationary-xhair-jumping.

I can't believe nobody in a year and a half noticed it.

Actually, ...
1) people started complaining about the dumbed down movement (autohop & bunnyhopping) right upon first sight of the scrubdate's changelog,
2) players with high movement skillset instantly got annoyed by inconsistent physics,
3) in the winter of 2014 we made jokes on ctf servers, that pmove_bunnyhopping brought us back to pre-Q3-pmove_fixed fps-dependency and
4) even this thread is a month old.
I can't believe you pretend to be Sherlock Holmes, instead of admitting that you enthusiastically kept commentating on a topic at which your knowledge is a year and a half behind.

lol you got it wrong. How surprising.

My issue with it is that it's framerate dependent. It would be fine with me if the effects were what they currently are at 125 fps, but regardless of the framerate the client runs at.

Please Sherlock, tell me where I was wrong:

1)
Spacectf shit noobs advocate for 1, although they don't even know what the setting actually does.

You don't play spacectf, or what?

I don't play Space CTF indeed. I also knew what was then known about bunnyhop, as did many others. The thing I didn't know was that the setting was framerate dependent. Will you actually blame me for not knowing what nobody else knew?

You're also trying to make an issue out of the fact that I happened to be the one finding out about this behaviour. Well, along with mapamapa but strangely you don't seem to care about that heh. Who gives a shit about that? I certainly don't. Hopefully you're the only one.

a friend said to use 250 for longer jumps months ago and showed on overkill 250 is faster.

I think lots of people would have been happy if he had released that information publicly :(. Well, happy to learn it, that is.

The first time I heard about the fps-dependency was in 2014, like 1..3 months after the scrubdates.
So you are THE ONE that found it out on the 16th of January 2016?
NEO, is it you?

Again, I don't care who discovered it first and I don't give a fuck.
You're the only one with an obsession over that.
Nice to know you heard of it in 2014. I didn't. Is that information that was given informally in game servers? I read Esr way too much already and I don't remember seeing that. Well, whatever. Congratulations, I guess?

The ONE with an obsession jumping around and claiming to be NEO, is you.

I read Esr way too much

How surprising.

No, son, you are the one claiming I am Neo. You are so obsessed with this dumb "who found out" thing that you don't realize nobody cares. I'm not sure why you do; it can't be healthy. I didn't come here saying "this is framerate dependent" to be seen as the messiah. I did it because I didn't know it, I believed everyone should know it and as far as I knew nobody ever shared this discovery on Esreality before. Not to mention that I am aware that some other people knew it before. Not to mention that the very person I was having a conversation with here in Esr found out independently. Yet I am Neo? No, you are a lunatic.

You are so obsessed with this dumb "who found out" thing that you don't realize nobody cares.

The funny part is, I don't even know who found it out first nor do I care, but it definitely wasn't you more than a year after I heard it for the first time.
I'm just utterly amused by the clown that spammed this thread in 2016 trying to convince people bunnyhopping basically does nothing.

I can't believe nobody in a year and a half noticed it.
...
You're also trying to make an issue out of the fact that I happened to be the one finding out about this behaviour.

... followed by ...

I didn't come here saying "this is framerate dependent" to be seen as the messiah.

Mmmhhhmmm, please tell me more Neo ...

No, son, ... it can't be healthy ... you are a lunatic.

Mmmmmhhhhhmmmmm ...
calling people unhealthy and lunatic is moving on very thin ice, when you got a disability to interpret the nonverbal expressions on black faces.
Combined with your restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior regarding esr, your diagnosis is Asperger syndrome. And on top of that, the manner in which you are behind and delayed at the bunnyhopping topic, by definition in my english dictionary, is called "retarded".
The next time you have no clue about a topic, just stfu: You got nothing to say? Just do it.
Get well soon, but please stay butthurt forever.

Well since logic doesn't work with you I'm giving up. I guess you could technically call that a personal victory for you but this is a loss for humanity. Congratulations, you managed to break my stupid-o-meter.

Have you tried recalibrating your stupid-o-meter's maximum amplitude with a mirror yet?

Most of my factories had it off already but I didn't have a factory for CA with the new standard settings (HMG and 6 dmg lg). So I created one. Its id is mg_ca_classic.
If you don't want framerate dependent physics on your server as well as the actual classic physics (there are a few more tweaks), you can use this factory.
If you have a dedicated server, all you need to do is add 538941289 to your workshop.txt file, replace every instance of |ca by |mg_ca_classic (for Clan Arena servers of course) in your mappool file and restart the server.
For a listen server, you need to subscribe to the workshop item linked below and modify your mappool file as well. There are several of them and the one your server uses depends on how it's launched so watch out.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=538941289

There's a whole bunch of factories but the most relevant to this thread are :
mg_ca_7lg
mg_ca_nohmg
mg_ca_classic
mg_ctf_classic
mg_ffa_classic
mg_har_classic
mg_oneflag_classic
mg_race_classic
mg_tdm_classic

I encourage you to avoid QL's stock factories (except duel). HoQ also provides factories with classic physics. Those include server management cvars such as "g_autoaction 3" so if you have a server that switches between casual and competitive settings it can be interesting too.

I used one of your factories as the basis for my Classic FFA server. Thanks for taking the time to make these. :)

No problem. You're also right about that. If something in the factory isn't exactly to your liking you can always tell me and if it makes sense to me I can change it or create a new factory. You can also create new ones with mine as a base. For the record, my item, once subscribed to, is found there :
Steam\SteamApps\workshop\content\282440\538941289\baseq3\scripts

They should just remove pmove_bunnyhop completely.
Who will actually miss it?

Basically all changes made in the loadout update made the game worse.
Shit happens, I just wish they'd realize the changes didn't work and change it back.
Loadouts are for the most part gone(good job) but we still have THIS and HMG which is an awful weapon that you can't even dodge because the spread is so large.

cg_autohop is also flawed but not as intrusive.

psshh movement noobs.

what is the difference btw pmove_bunnyhop and cg_autohop? The first add speed the more you jump even if it is straight lines without dodge keys or mouse movement and the later just auto jump if u keep jump key pressed?

Yes.
And pmove_bunnyhop is a server side setting that is enabled or disabled for all players regardless if they use cg_autohop or not.