sounds good.

can we now a bit more about this project ? like the sponsors and stuff

not gonna say anything else until negotiation is finished and it's known to happen for sure

is there a point in secrecy? it was said on stream yesterday.

it's dumb to announce something what is not yet 100% sure to happen, I'm just gathering opinions on format

format seems to be decided on, if it will be divisional, league style, there need to be high motivators to reduce drop outs and good judgement on new accounts signing up for lower leagues

ruleset must include fines for dropping out etc..

lower divisions don't have prizes other than promoting to higher division so there's no point in tierslamming. Well, maybe some small div2 seasonal prize might be there, but that's not gonna cause anything cause div2 players are also good and known enough. As for dropouts you won't be able to instantly join div1 without finishing div2 season 1st-4th for example so drop out as much as you want and be able to come back few months later

What stream?

peanus status: erekt

I'm guessing this is courtesy of Alexey A.?

btw quake is dead

2 x toxicity in mappool plz thx bb

:D

Cant have the 2 ozzies crying

No Toxicity, no tournament, please add it. Or we gonna see Fraze on whine and cry rampage again. :)

Tbh I've seen more posts from you whining about fraze than I saw his posts about toxicity.

Kinda makes you think who's the real butthurt faggot in here.

Yet all you seem to do is moan about how everybody else moans, i see a pattern.

stop moaning about how all they seem to do is moan about how everybody else moans!

Stop moaning about someone moaning about someone moaning about someone moaning about me moaning! (moanception)

:) this guys gonna do well i think at dh! Gonna be exciting vs rapha etc :D

> (moanception)

We have to go deeper!

As long as the "forced schedule" isn't followed too strictly and allows people with a real life to participate aswell - awesome!

The gameweek schedule is made each Sunday(player's preferences are tried to be taken into account if they're told before that). Also each player has 2 wildcards for whole season. The point is that games should not overlap while scheduling so the viewers can watch every game and also there should be maximum 5-6 games per day and 2-3 games of a single player per day to make the month somewhat uniform

So basically like 125fps are doing it currently. nice

let's just say something is gonna evolve

Is this real life ?

Or is this fantasy ?

Caught in a landslide

Can you help me occupy my brain

No escape from reality

No escape from ESReality

You deserve a plus!

Ins come back 125:fps good caster!!!

no

Yes spastic bastard ass. You can eat mickey Dee's while doing amazing casting. Make money I donate 5$

gazprom lan?

don't tease me :(

If it doesn't happen I'm coming after you, Liam Neeson style. I'll hunt you, find you and rape your butthole.

I think this is a terrible idea and I hope it doesnt materialize!

there's 125fps and faceit practically every day has a cup/match already. how will this league avoid overlaps?

don't worry about that

ok as long as it doesnt affect the other cups =)

Guessing it is starladder? If so, that's good news, their other leagues seem to be well organized.

starladder

Starladder!1!!111

cool!

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In which day is this going to be played, in order not to clash with 125fps and faceit?

With streamed cups and prizes almost every day of the month, isn't it too much to have another one? I mean it is great that there are more cups and activity, but is it the best way to use that money and effort considering the current superb state of online cups?

Will viewership numbers matter on this initiative?


I know it sounds weird but with the great state of online cups what the quake scene lacks the most right now is getting exposure back (mainstream), for which what's needed is to be in major established events that aren't quake centric. Also with so much things going on right now another cup will not be as successful as the other two established, as we saw with zowie saturdays both on players and viewers.

From the cryptic comments of h8m3 here I think it is a rather safe guess that this will be 125fps stepping it up and changing their format so clashing with current 125fps should be no worry.

Quake and mainstream in one sentence sounds silly and could only happen with a new iteration. I think this will attract only a few new quake viewers. I have not followed all the numbers of faceit, zoot and other quake events, but I think it is safe to assume that the viewers on those streams represent only a fraction of all the people interested in quake. I only tune in faceit once a month or so and watch zoot's stream maybe weekly (420suvcrive erry day).

The current online tournaments are really nice as a life support for the competitive scene making sure that the players have some platform to compete on. It is not so great for viewer experience in my opinion and that is what I am looking forward to the most of this new project. What will be their idea/twist on quake that will make viewers follow it religiously?

Sadly 125fps and faceit streams and mainstream LANs are the only current ways the game is getting advertised to 'outsiders', as id does and never did nothing. If the new initiative is different than 125fps and faceit then the new objective is to revive the game as a whole, now that those two (especially faceit) revived the competitive side.

If it is the same as 125fps then there's nothing to be added really. That cup is a must.

On zootlive's chat syncerror said there will be a QL 2.0 (or whatever it is going to be called) someday, though not next patch which is in one month. He also said the next patch (Nov 7th as far as I remember, lets say Nov. 15th) there's going to be a substantial change for the game as a whole that isn't related to gameplay.

Well most quake players are happy about the gameplay but that gameplay is very unpopular to wider audiences and not in line with the current gaming trends.

A change like the addition of leader boards, ladders, divisions, matchmaking would be amazing for the current players but I doubt that any change with the same gameplay core would increase the popularity of quake. It's too damn hard and a very time consuming hobby to be enjoyed. This is a really hard sell these days.

As hard and time consuming as starcraft 2? Like dota 2?

The FPS genre is the biggest of them all in gaming and quake is sort of a recognized franchise. It still has some potential, if major game and marketing changes are finally made after more than 5 years of the project, like SC2 and Dota2.

Quake cannot compete with its 1999 graphics and textures (among others), outdated and lacking interface (for example arranging a match with friends that aren't quakers is very hard to do), bad MM (not fun for new and old school players), incomprehensible business model and zero advertising. Improving all that requires working on the game or redoing it from scratch, like in those two games, to get to the current or even 2008 standards.

They are much more casual friendly and they had a lot of those features out of the box. QL has such a bad service that mostly die hard fans remained. It is very disheartening for newcomers to join the crowd in such an environment

>>> Quake cannot compete with its 1999 graphics and textures

Which is why everybody turns that shit off to play.
Quake is not about eye candy, quake is about game play.
Which is also why this game will never be (hugely) popular.

So are the other two mentioned games and every single current "e-sports" game.

Graphics help attracting newcomers, simple as that.

Quake would not even work with high level graphics (or realism or big maps).

So players that start playing Quake for the graphics for example would not stick around simply because you cannot compete unless you switch that stuff off.
There are a lot of other areas where QuakeLive could improve, but not if it involves eye candy because that would be pointless and not why we play the game.

Q1 had the best graphics of its time.

Q2 too.

Q3 as well.

Q4? Yes.

updating the UT FPS series with next-gen ultra quality graphics really took the unreal tournament community to the next level didn't it!

>>> syncerror said there will be a QL 2.0

Definitely holding my breath.

I'm not a part of the team nor have insight info or anything, but from what I read on the chat don't hold your breath it is going to be anytime soon (2013). Also it will only be certain when it is released, so add an "if" to that.

More like QL 1.1 and it will be there.

when did syncerror talk about the big changes?

Twitch chat.

What I wrote is sort of the exact things he wrote and referred to about the upcoming patch (november, "small" in content and "big" on the rest) and what's going to be in the distant future (20XX). There's no more info, particularly about the further project (no adjectives, no dates or any word on what it means).

What I can personally read between the lines from what he said is if there is a new project as a whole, or overhaul or whatever it is, then it is going to take time, as well as the upcoming patch is just a patch and not a new game or something.

Now speculating, what is big that isn't content and that is only a patch? Interface and business model come to mind. On the other hand, I don't think QL has ever had a big patch on requested content and as of interface the major changes were when the business model was introduced and the create a match settings (two different patches), so "big" is kind of relative (to me both aren't a substantial addition for improving the game)

Maybe a real ladder/matchmaking system?

Is there a log for these posts?

they will hire the qlranks guys and build some sc2/dota style ladder / matchmaking system integrating all leagues and cups into it. awesome it be would.

or replace gauntlet by grapple hook!

Maybe they realized needing to pay for the content is ridiculous and self defeating (see LOL model)

You know, I was just writing a wall of text (even longer than this one) but it isn't really needed. What you have to understand is that LoL isn't the only profitable way -actually is the choice of the 0.01%, not "self defeating"-, that there are lots of approaches and measures within that model, that nowadays models and measures are mixed up (none is 100% using only one way of pricing) and that QL has its particularities that make that game not be that much comparable with it.

In short, with all that considered and the fact that QL was never popular when it was 100% free, that the genre isn't as well and that way too many of its players aren't that much willing to pay, it's pretty clear copypasting what LoL did and does isn't 100% applicable to QL. Think of it case by case, plans, measures and restrictions, and consider id as a company has quite an story taking a similar approach. The comparison just doesn't work perfectly. Now taking this with a bag of salt considering I do not have inside info on the matter, I'd say iRacing is closer to QL (few customers but that are willing to pay more than $48 tops) and that now it'd be risky to go the TF2 way, though could be very much worth it if tied with other ways of pricing.

However, LoL can be used as an example to explain the general idea. LoL has tons of measures to encourage players to spend money in the game, some clearly directly and others that take a roundabout having that in mind, and at the same time some that force and annoy players for that purpose. At the same time it allows customers to spend thousands of dollars on online goods if they want to, also was very well marketed, the game was created with ideas with years in the making, was the main project of the company, released at the precise time, afterwards had well thought priorities at specific times, focuses on constant developing and so on; a whole strategy from year 1 to year 10.
In general terms, incentives, advertising of the game, popularity (with research behind it), easy to reach and availability, trying to keep people playing, releasing more content and goods, no fixed price and almost no limit on what to spend are the core of free to play games no matter the exact approach taken within it, or if it diverts to a similar model. Now compare all that with QL and you'll see the project wasn't very well thought or at least compared to the games of its time, which happens to be true about QL's features as well.
Now on the 'burn' part of this post, I'll say it's pretty clear syncerror&co have not tried the most popular games and franchises of the last 5 years, all business models, and that the project was just an experiment, a romantic one at that. The sad part is the company as a whole is not doing well for about 10 years and nowadays it maybe is 100% relying on the already remade doom4 project in order to still be on business. Several signs of the latter.

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"- Forced schedule for good viewer experience" <--- This! I dont know how to stress this enough!

Opinions?

HAROSH

- LAN finals
A couple weeks after a month of this online league top4(from div1) fight at LAN event in double elim tournament with a bo5 finals(held at a fairly convenient location for any European QL player).

Am I understanding this correctly a LAN with only top 4 players? Is this so that the organizers can guarantee flying in the players and organizing it on a small scale which is more affordable?

To me it sounds a little anticlimactic season finale of a great tourney. If I am correct about my assumptions maybe modify it such that top4 have guaranteed top seedings in the final and their costs covered and have a few more seeds for a separate tournament in for eager lower standing players.

This would have a negative side effect of great players not fully participating during the season and then having a easy second chance right at the end, jumping over the standings but it could be dealt with by smart seedings and some secondary candidate tournament like in chess.

All this because i think having a final with 4 players might be a little plain.

Who's running this? AGP Tour?

is part of this going to promote new maps by any chance? i imagine a round robin of 16 players (with the cool maps cup map-pool) will look a lot different than the results of the roundrobin w/ ztn, aero, t7, etc. not bringing map whining into this, but still. This is a great step in the right direction, but if the staircase is a spiral leading to the top, how far up there are u really gonna make it with this? Also, it's a bit refreshing to see old players playing new maps, regardless of what people think. im kinda tired of seeing the same stuff over and over.

Usually not a good idea to discuss these things publicly before anything is solid..

How ever, I am looking forward to it

Not sure if serious or troll or heartless

it's a seriously heartless troll

i like what you did there. have a [+]. damn. i seem to be geneorous on those nowadays.

Give it out to too many boys and pretty soon no one will want it ;)

Doesnt that mean that then theres more left for me then? :D Since I've been lacking in the [+] departament :(

this reeks of F A I L

this thread is full of vapour

Is it Reborn tournament, called "Severity PMX" sponsored by John Romero?

Actually it's called Severity 2: Reborn, sponsored by Angel Munoz.

:]

Neat hope this gets off the ground!

- QL duel

team mode please? there's duels EVERYWHERE...

This sounds great, unfortunately, for this to work the game needs to be free first.

nice troll

Yes plz dont be troll topic

You suck so much cock it's unreal (c) GaRpY :(

I always wonder why after 3 years of QL being released we dont see any Quake Lans in NA... and this is not QuakeCon were talking about, i'm talking more like the smaller, european style LANs where it's can be 32-64 people just to play 1 game, get Duels and TDM games set up and shit. If we had like 1 NA Quake LAN (That isn't QuakeCon related), It would of at least keep a small NA community alive and get a few new players for at least another few years or so. Must fucking suck to be living in America in such tough times right now :\

edit: I was talking about the "LAN Finals" that was on there

go play LoL and Call of Duty LANs dumb american!

nah

so no word on this? or was it actually a troll xD

patience please :)

There could be, it just needs someone with balls to host it.

link

The lower population density of NA has always held it back a bit with worse pings and less feasible LANs.

Probably because nearly nobody plays quake in NA (REAL QUAKE!). You forget NA just had a LAN not that long ago on the west coast. It was a bunch of newbed out ca phonies playing in a silent trance NA STYLE. Thats about as good as you can hope for in this sorry place. U need at least some semblance of an active online community before you can even begin to think of taking it to LANs. I don't have any answers, I don't know why barely anyone plays the real deal here.

As long you will have people like him in NA who is loved by Americans then it will be hard yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkgZLp4WODQ

inb4 strenx plans to attend this

in case negotiation is finished successfully the upcoming days.

thx for ruining it h8m3

Fucking hell I was so happy for a minute untill I noticed thread was from 2013........

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Thats the second time someone used the term 'necromancer' against me today, and even after googling I'm still not sure what you guys is on about. The only thing I can think of is bumping an old thread, but it wasn't even me who brought this one thread up to light so wtf is you guys on about?

he wants to be a necromancer's servant

*creepomancer

lol QL