released means sacked and is why he looks like hes just about to cry

Not the first time? I still love 2gd.. Whatever he does. We need people like him that do not suck up to whoever is running the show.

fell asleep again

I lol'ed

fuck i miss joe his voice is goddamn soothing to listen.

Any1 knows what he is up to?

Casting League of Legends games, he and Dman are the only ones worth watching :)

Dman is now casting LoL?

Such a shame :(

what? ... joe is casting LoL :( is he at least casting anything else?

not that i know :o

damn i guess i am gona start watching joe and with that lol... fuck it, goodbye quake.

He casted a couple of matches at some CS:GO major last year. It was glorious.

But he did suck up. He sucked up to Dota.

if what he was doing was "suck up", I wish everyone else around dota did that.

didn't know he'd gone anywhere, thought he was supposed to be making a game

And drinking whiskey with a cat ?

FREE 2GD!

Wait...

Yames is fire, rip dota money => reborn is kill?

Someone told me they were recently invited to a closed alpha of reborn. If that's any indication, sounds like reborn is still alive.

i know im just cracking bad jokes mate

I gotcha, just thought I'd share that it sounds like it's not quite vaporware yet since there's been hardly any news about it.

Can someone explain what he is actually doing anymore?

if i remember the timeline it was something like this?

-im saving quake
-quake is beyond saving
-lets have some cups just for the lols
-the gd studio
-lol fazz
-lol whiskey and cat
-blazeeeee itttttttt my son
-livestream
-fuck quake lol
-DOTA 2
-dota 2 success and ting
-popular amongst the current younger esports population
-now
-i am fried
-pls money
-pls job

Funny how everything is always bout success-failure with Americans. Got only one peanut in the shell for two? FAILURE!!! Found a 3d sock in a bought pair? SUCCESS!!!

I appreciate 2GD's sense of humor, but as is the case in life you need to practice good judgement when to make joke, and when not to make joke.

He's so relentlessly free wheeling that I'm not surprised by this. I'm more surprised that he hasn't been fired more often from casting jobs.

its the other way around, the people who hired him to host clearly didnt have a fucking clue who they hired. shame 2gd got the short end of the stick due to their lack of research.

Goes both ways. When someone signs a contract you can expect him to professional and when you hire someone you should think about whether they're the right man for the job.

valve has worked with 2gd since 2012 or something. when they contacted him they told him to his usual self. rumored that he was cut because he ddnt cut to commercials during some hefty delays but eh

2gd's statement about getting fired:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B061Rs4gw...&pli=1

Best part: "The reason I’m making this quake style game though. Is to serve the Quake fans and pros. Since they have been left behind in esports."

He can be a great caster when he wants to. But like you said the problem is his lack of professionalism and the "you can't control me" attitude.

I haven't really watched him since he stopped casting Quake, but from what I remember there were many times where you could easily tell he didn't give a shit about the game (unless it was something high profile like Cooller vs Cypher) and would just keep talking about something completely unrelated. Then once in a while he'd comment on the game, provided he had not died of boredom yet.

On the other hand at his best his commentary can be really insightful, funny and overall high quality. He just sort of has to be able to run the show by his own rules.

Many people like his unpredictable joke-cracking bad boy personality, but at the same time his huge ego is probably causing him to miss out on some of the bigger gigs.

he looks so sad ;(

:(

Those derpy puppy eyes...

he looks like a human with that haircut

So how is diabotical going? -.-

Dude needs to grow up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/47o9d...egathread/

nerds got upset. he he. fuck him.

James is the most entartaining person in e-sport. Always half-drunk, witty and arrogant motherfucker, yet always geniune, he's the classic english black humour, just e-sport version of it. While most of the adult casters're just looking stupid, trying to be so damn serious infront of 14yo audience, acting like they're commentating SuperBowl for adults, not some stupid MOBA shit for teen crowd with moronic transparants, Harding always stays sarcastic enough no matter what.

This is what pisses the organizers off, he's not gonna pretend shit. If you're good enough, like DH, James will mock the players and the other casters. If you suck enough, production value speaking, or anything - 2gd will exploit the shit of it, trolling you and your miserable event.

If Vulva's cunts hired Harding to be somebody else, well, its their fuckup, not his.

I get the impression that 2gd stopped being genuine years ago. and instead these days needs to live up to what is expected of him by his fanbase.

I used to think he was an okayish/entertaining/insightful QL caster paired with Joe back in the day and would enjoy his casting as well as his persona. Now I have gradually grown to quite dislike the twat.

U agree. For a long time now his shit just seems fake and forced

okayish??

if he was okayish, then what were all the other casters?... boring retards?

he was far better than anybody else who ever casted quake. U might not like his arrogance, but u have to give credit where credit is due.

I wouldn't call them retards, but boring... yes. Just because I think 2gd was better than most of them doesn't mean I should use words such as "great", "amazing" or "excellent". Instead, as you may have noticed, I chose "entertaining" and "insightful".

And I don't have a problem with his arrogance, as long as it's genuine, but as I said, I get the impression he stopped being genuine years ago.

Maybe you're right about nowadays 2gd, i have no interest in moba, so didnt watched a lot of his streams during last years, only a couple of OW.

But you missed the point. It's not about James being a cunt or not. He sure is. Somebody likes cunts, somebody prefers pussys. (Aka overexcited ultrapolite mr.niceguys). Matter of taste.

The main thing is the situation with the Vulva's event. And if you hire an arrogant salty twat to host your show then you signed for the whole package. Otherwise its like it was said on reddit - "You dont blame Black Sabbath after inviting them at your 5yo daughter birthday party". James was really trying to do his best as a cunt, he showed the secret caverns and mysterious islands of its unspeakable depth and he seems to be really upset after being fired for the very thing he must be hired for.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/47sc4...hai_major/

"James is an ass" - Gabe Newell 2016

Wow, way to make friends in high places, 2GD

you don`t need them anyway, fucking loosers, who won`t even buy you a bottle of water at a canteen

Well he made a billionaire shitpost about him on reddit, its quite an archiement

No idea what he said or did to get fired, but as long as it wasn't totally unethical (racism/sexist/etc..) then I have sympathy for him. I like 2GD as he speaks his mind, I guess that rubs his clients up the wrong way sometimes. That's their issue for giving him the ammunition in the first place, I mean have they met 2GD before???!!!! LOL

If the production company Valve hired to run this didnt fuck up everything they could possibly fuck up, 2GD wouldnt take the piss out of them so much, and there wouldnt of been a massive shitstorm as a result.

Valve hired a known horrible production crew, they fuck up, 2GD mocks them, everyone gets fired -> Valve is the root cause and Gabe kinda acted like an ass with that reddit post :>

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-02-27-...him-an-ass

Skip to 55 of this VOD. It's fucking comedy gold. He starts talking about how the Chinese hotel censored porn and he had to watch something involving a wheelchair to get off.

https://www.twitch.tv/dotamajor/v/50134882

"the do's and don't of dota2 and the cans and c*nts of the teams"

bye bye Yames

Ah, the fatal C word. If only he hadn't said that, he might have hung in there a bit longer :D

So is it known what james did to get that brutal fire?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/47tu4...a2/d0fnq3v is a good short summary.

ye tnx, sum's it up real good. ... its nice to see community exspress its power over bad corporation moves. ... the problems of bad reputation will still persist with-in inner corporate circles or decisions makers -they will not just dismiss gabes opinion, unless he himself publicly responds otherwize.

and BTW valve, much of new generations wouldn't like for e.sport commentary to be like regular sport commentary. It is based on entire different values and openness between representor and observer.

DEAL WITH IT.

but 2gd just got fired from only one event, why the drama??

james is not trying to be a traditional tv presenter, he is very much being himself and taking the piss out of the "role" he is expected to play. esports is relatively new, they had a fresh platform in which to present esports in an honest way but it's becoming tedious, where it is necessary to act a character who is afraid to please everyone, ground down by censorship and politeness.

i have always had major respect for james' approach.

the middleclass version of

Was thinking more of Alan B'stard.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B061Rs4gw...4I/preview

"James is an ass - By James Harding"

just wow

ah, beat me to it :D I was selfishly reading it about an hour ago

2gd could had just posted this, without all that War and Peace.
Necessary and sufficient.

That explains a few things, looks like i wasnt far off http://www.esreality.com/post/2802813/2gd-is-back-3/#pid2802967

Imagine some poor confused Valve employee named Ali who talked to James for five minutes once reading this and be like "uhm guys, I think we need to get James some help or something..."

Would be interesting to see whether diabotical ever ends up on steam.

And all of this hysteria and potential sympathy from the dota 2 community could be the 'best thing' to have happened when the imminent diabotical kick starter arrives.

Another thing of note: If competitive gaming does ever 'go mainstream' in the near future in the Western world (on main sports channels/tabloid coverage etc.): it will be because of the push Valve is making.

In that regard, 2GD has potentially just denied himself the largest opportunity he may ever have as a commentator/host.

Denied by doing what? What exactly had he done that gave Vulva the right to throw him out of the event? In any professional sport a famous commentator would sue the fuck out of the organization that treated him the way Vulva did.

I think the current audience is on 2gds side on this one.

Basically Valve is trying to please a non-existent audience while ignoring the demands of their actual customer; the 15-25 year old male who barely watch TV anymore for many different reasons, they understands what "Kappa" means and spend a lot of their spare time playing video games or watching random shit on twitch.tv. I think that is the audience 2gd is trying to reach, instead of the middle aged men who won't even watch a fucking video game they tell their kids to stop playing. And tbh I think it would be more likely they would stay around if the show had some edgy "bantz" instead of try harding to make dota be like superbowl. Everyone can enjoy some trash talking )))

DOTA is for 12 years olds, and 90% of the audience would be 12-15 year olds, just pro gamers and wannabe pro gamers would make up the last 10%

whatever, I don't have the actual demographics of twitch viewers, I just pulled some numbers out of the air to resemble "young males" who watch twitch instead of BBC.

you can tell by the graphics style, if you old then 18, you would play total war or warhammer

Q43A.

give you a config in http://www.doom4world.com/forum.php?nxt=topic...mp;forum=8

and a 1000 other threads on here to make it more like CPMA with better gravity, you just enable tournament mode to disable voicetaunts etc, and then you are all going to miss out on me uploading the source so you all can tweak it to your needs with no bugs and alot better netcode

as far as i can tell, 1.4.2 mods with with quake 4 steam version

lmao

the mouse is`nt serverside in quake 4, so you left using the strafe keys to strafe, if you use a infinate client send event, you flood the server if you try and use the mouse for strafing

only marine heads have lipsync joints in, and they are for singleplayer, i had to remove all clientside code and replace it all with network code to use single player heads and have lipsync voice taunts

etc etc etc etc etc, recoded 60% of the sdk to make it all work sweet and fix bugs, there is no water in quake 4 with func_liquid in maps, you just have a clip box and some rubbish effect, i coded the rest to make it like normal liquid in all other quakes

aint no vehicle code either, anim`s don`t all work and you can`t have map restarts if you bother to use a vehicle, so it matter nothing because both vehicles are crap anyway, and nobody is going to make any turrets

had to fix fog lights, trigger switches, force fields, blockable doors, etc etc etc

laughs at all you and your pathetic q4max

rofl you're a loon

you the loons, only real thing Q43A needs is a rocket jump speed ratio limit, which would take 30 seconds to add, so the max speed you travel is always the same no matter how much knockback you have from your jump

it all easily works on dedicated servers with alot less hitches then quake 4 without all the extra stuff i have added



donate me some money in this thread >> http://www.esreality.com/post/2802679/esreali...pid2803145

and i`ll upload the source to moddb or here or both

if the engine uses the same max client define as in the SDK, can`t remember if its a extern, then the netcode can go upto 128 players

What does kappa mean, btw?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kappa

I agree with most of 2GDs general critique of e-sports, as becoming a boring kids version of sports-casting. imho it is super unprofessional to have big events have hours and hours of delays. THAT is the unprofessional part about it. and not paying your hosts accordingly is the next thing. a 2 bedroom hotel-room for your main host? that also doesn't show much respect for the work these guys are doing from company side. and they do become the "face" of your game during the event...
well, whatever, event management is an ugly business.

talking about 2GD being "genuine" ... I Don't get it. he still does his "not appropriate" jokes on air and has this annoying know-it-all attitude he had from day one. He is a show-master, what more kind of genuine do you expect him to be?
its rather shameful james still stands out so much, when the field should have a lot more variety and 'characters' like him. and unlike many others he does have a vision of how e-sports could and should develop and he actively does his part to realize some of it.

so I take 2GD getting fired for this petty nonsense to be the next step towards e-sports boredom. ironically, even in getting fired, he made that event more entertaining then it otherwise would have been ;o

talking about 2GD being "genuine" ... I Don't get it. he still does his "not appropriate" jokes on air and has this annoying know-it-all attitude he had from day one.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCd50bzduU
Then watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TjFVVd241o

And then tell me that he hasn't changed. Unless his dota 2 casting is nothing like the second vid, he definitely has.

Completely agree on everything else.

I don't like comparing those two videos. 2GD was a special fanservice guest at that FaceIt event, like Sujoy. He wasn't prepared, he didn't know the new maps. Even when they played ztn, he was just chilled out and having fun.

Maybe all of his casting is like this now, but I feel like you're looking at two very different mindsets between those videos.

And as a matter of fact if you look further into the Faceit VoD, you'll find some reasonable insights and decent general casting, if not at the same level as the ESL lans. But why would a low-profile online tournament demand the same quality of coverage? A silly comparison indeed.

Sounds like a template description for a Brit

2gd is 2gd, and I like that. He doesn't seem to say shit that is far off from what thorin and RL says on CSGO casts. Thorin called out fucking SHAQ face to face on inside NBA live on TV lmao!

People seems to get offended by every little thing these days :|

On the bright side, if he's unemployed now maybe he can bring back the gdstudio <3

well, jay can be kinda charming with his shit talking, thorin is just an imbecile overall. :D

this is the last fuck i gave about the shanghai major. 0 ad revenue from me.

lawl, Valve a multimillion (billion even?) dollar company. Bickering over a few grand to pay casters/hosts.

Fucking America, land of the greedy, home of the gluttonous.

The problem is Jay being an ass is ok in the small time, but when you're putting on an event and you've got sponsors and CEO's watching the stream and they are just watching this guy they don't get it, ultimately looks bad on Gabe as he's at the helm.

Chinese are so different to the west when it comes to humour and Jay's is an acquired taste, even over here.

Aside from the main thing here, I just thought it was funny and pretty typical American for Valve of all companies to try and get out of not paying people they hired for what amounts to probably petty cash for them.

Wasn't he meant to be only on the English stream?

And if you want someone to act different from the norm (and they know you know what their norm is having worked with you before).... you tell them.

Now its becoming some conspiracy theory.

If 2gd really offensed some top chinese, the result would be not just Vulva letting him go, but an official apology in live stream. It would have been a MUST.There wasn't any. So it was not the case.

for all we know he was asked to do that but he refused. We've only heard him tell the story of what happened. I'm inclined to believe him because what he wrote seemed really genuine, but at the same time, he's an entertainer, it's his job to seem genuine.

for all we know he was asked to do that but he refused

And how did we know it?

what I mean is, we've only heard one side of the story

What if he got fired because he mentioned censorship? I imagine you can't just host a 3 million dollar tourney without getting some kind of permits from the government and I can also imagine Chinese officials get pretty obstructive if the host of your tourney starts talking about controversial stuff.

I actually believe this is more close to the truth than any bullshit reason for him being "himself" or making unappropriate jokes.

Don't think Gabe wants to get thrown out of China, alot of nerds there.

Also explains Gaben took the time to shittalk him in public. He probably worked for months and months to stay on China's good side, only for 2gd to risk everything for the sake of one low brow joke. I'd be pretty pissed.

Agree. We are talking about, Valve pissed of for its "reputation" for someone talking shit, or China that has this great censor apparatus that have thrown people in jail for less.

I don't think the big boss of Valve would care one bit, if some punk was being rude on stream, but if the entire China market gets compromised he would sure as hell go the extra mile to statuate an example.

The only person Gabe should be pissed about is himself, for setting up the whole thing just so it can fail.

Who on earth thought that China+money grabbing production team+2GD = success !? Thats right, Valve did.

to be fair, 99% of the stuff ive from the dota 2 community have said that 2gd was the only redeemable thing through-out the event so far

well games too but looking at production sid eof things

There's no way someone hires 2GD to cast/host/whatever and NOT know what he's about. It would be like hiring Chappelle to do some stand-up at some ultra right-wing gathering, telling him to be himself. Then getting pissed off when he makes fun of white people for 20 minutes.

Unless 2GD was given a script or a list of do's and dont's beforehand, can't see how it's not entirely Valve's fault. Then to go on a forum like a disgruntled little 12 yr old and call that person an ass.

After reading 2GD's statement and viewing all the available evidence I can make the following observations:

1) They hired 2GD knowing full well his presenting style, and he delivered exactly what they hired him for.

2) 2GD likes to push boundaries but unless he was specifically asked to not say certain offensive words, or to avoid specific subjects (don't say anything bad about the host country), then he did nothing wrong.

3) If the organisations involved with the event fired him for some specific occurrence, then they needed to apologise for that segment of the broadcast to the viewers in a timely fashion (as soon as reasonably possible) during the broadcast. It's common practise for any broadcaster to do this, and if it wasn't done then 2GD should ask why.

The fact that 2GD went to such lengths to type out a statement, tells me he feels he was doing what he thought best, and feels wronged by the people that hired him. I can only imagine how boring that whole presentation would have been had he not been there to get some energy out of the panellists, who although might be knowledgeable about the game, certainly couldn't articulate it in a fun manner.

TL;DR .... 2GD, get your money out of those assholes and get on with diabotical, and come cast some quake where (most) people appreciate you ))) You're just a scapegoat for them to blame, to take the focus away from all the other fuck ups they made during the event, learn from it, and don't look back.
....and while you're at it sue them for wrongful dismissal, and libel for the 'james is an ass' comment which is so amusingly and ironically all over the gaming news sites lol
(sorry for my tl;dr being too long Kappa)

This. x1000 :)

1) They hired 2GD knowing full well his presenting style, and he delivered exactly what they hired him for.

This is exactly the only thing I think about it. They know who he is, how he is, they even ask him specifically to be himself, then they fire him for it. Good job Valve.

that's just a bullshit excuse for every time james fucks up. "oh it's just yames so glorious the way he says fuck and doesn't care *giggle*".

not that i don't really care that he has no profanity filter, after all the people watching TI have said far more worse shit to each other every time they join dota match making, I just think it's inappopriate of him to think that by staying himself he has to talk shit bout people who hired him, jerking off to mr wang's wheelchair adventures, etc and then wonder about what could've possibly went wrong that he got fired insinuating personal vendettas over 4 pages of tl;dr i was just being myself.

They literally asked him to be himself.

He's not making excuses, he was asked to do this.Then they fired him for it.

i'm totally on 2GD's side here, but "be yourself" is very open to interpretation. maybe what they wanted to say was:

"be yourself, james, which means: do the casting and hosting in YOUR way, but being yourself also means being smart enough to adapt to the fact that this event takes place in a repressive regime where media are controlled like crazy."

"Be yourself" doesn't mean having the freedom to be a racist asshole, as he was. His opening lines were totally out of the question for any live event of this caliber, and any serious company would have fired him for that.

Also his 'confirmation to be an asshole' came from somebody that wasn't his boss and wasn't even indirectly in charge of the event; meaning that his 'confirmation' didn't exist really and has no value at all.

But more than that, the problem is how 2GD handled the aftermath. He should have apologized, instead of writing a lengthy confrontational response (that only serves for further proving he is an asshole). That letter guarantees he will be jobless at the only thing he can do, and no money even for himself means Diabotical is practically cancelled.

Valve has no hierarchy other than Gabe is the boss and everyone else below him works together at the same level. If he gets told to be himself by a Valve employee then thats practically getting told by your boss to do just that.

not really, if gabe is the CEO, its a miricle he has anything todo with the company outside of a scripted press release over share holder worries

First things first, 2GD is an adult. It's laughable how at his age his defense revolves around him thinking he had the right to be an asshole and the liberty to not use his head in the slightest. Sure employers that know him give him some further liberties that others do not have, but there's always boundaries.

Second, Icefrog's messages don't represent the company at all and aren't an order. Icefrog wasn't 2GD's boss, wasn't in charge of the event and wasn't told by Gabe to say that to him. It's just a friend messaging a friend, one that works for the company as a programmer and other that's getting independently contracted for one gig for a different position.

Third, even if his boss (Gabe himself or whoever was in charge of the event) had told 2GD to 'be himself', that phrase does not mean 'you have the freedom to be completely unprofessional and to be derogatory to everyone, without any consideration that is this is a serious company and this gig is solely about casting the matches of a major event. Please do your best to on camera disrespect the company that is paying you, the production team and the country hosting the event. If possible, tell one or two wanking jokes, laugh at the disabled and mock the players, because the stream's PG audience is not here to watch the matches but to watch you, and ESPN (our goal) really likes mocking the Chinese too. No, you are not getting kicked out once again from a job (MLG) because of your attitude, because at Valve there's no such a thing as consequences'.

2GD is very very good when he focuses on casting the matches, the best Quake caster ever even, but his attitude makes him untrustworthy to appear on camera. Come to think about it, his casting at the MLG showmatch (avek-toxic) might have been the cause why Quake wasn't picked for further matches.

Theres truth in ur post, but a larger amount of bs. Cba going into it.

His opening lines were totally out of the question for any live event of this caliber, and any serious company would have fired him for that.

It's an old classic, CRUDE, joke. Sure, I agree, it was not appropriate for the average age of the audience of DotA, but am I surprised that James would say such a thing? no.

And neither should Valve be, so if they wanted him at a lower level, it's not many words: "Please be you but tone it down a bit".

and being yourself doesn't literally mean you can be a cunt to all parties involved and not get fired for it.

C'mon, y'all act like james is 18, james included, instead of a grown fucking man that can use his head for anything else than a haircut.

is back to the swamp

so where is reborn?

Diabotical*

new name. :)

He had it coming.

Pretty sure by being himself they meant stay sharp, witty, uncompromised and not talk about jerking off to "Mr Wangs Amazing Wheelchaired adventures" and calling the participants cunts in fucking CHINA. Also he could've remembered what happened last time he talked shit about people who hired him. So yeah, think he kinda misinterpreted what being himself meant. He can stay genuine even without that shit. It's just sad that most people get off on jay spamming "fuck" whenever he can and call that brilliant casting & a genuine personality.

As far as his statement goes, apparently he still thinks he wasn't unprofessional enough to get fired and it was just some personal vendetta against him. $$$

He should take a hint from Tasteless & Artosis on how it's done in a completely different culture.

Fact still remains that unless they imposed boundaries on him then they were giving him 'carte blanche' to be himself.
Bad language and such jokes are expected and should never be a shock, it's like hiring Roy Chubby Brown and then getting upset that he says some bad words.

They got exactly what they paid for, end of!!!

They assumed that he would use his brain (along with his experience), but apparently being brainless is the new cool.

Nah, being an offended twat tho is.

You do realize that it's not his private twitch channel where he can go hurr durr but his way to make a living, right? Sometimes I wonder how people cannot understand the most obvious things.

If you go work in another country, the first thing you do is to get informed about the culture and rules of communication there. You ask the same from the "towelheads" who come to your country, and rightfully so. Now guess what, the same applies to us too. Typical western European arrogance.

You do realize that it's not his private twitch channel where he can go hurr durr but his way to make a living, right?

Yet he's been doing just that for many years with little to no issue.

My Last sentence extends to murica too.

valve relied on him being the witty professional he's portayed himself as in the past.

he was trying to do exactly that, but introducing yourself with an inappropriate joke is one thing. doing that in shanghai with a joke with some obviously racist and sexual innuendo is a really bad slipup imo.

people visit fucking courses to learn how to behave in a chinese professional setting,"wacking off to mr wangs amazing wheelchair adventures" is not something i would want to translate for whoever my boss is, if i were the chinese translater or whatever.

Have you seen at least 1 major, hosted by James "2gd" Harding?

Because it seems you just like to flame no matter what the subject is. He does jokes likes that literally every single show. As it was in each valve's major. It was valve's call to invite 2gd or not, but when they did and even granted James a carte-blanche, sure they got all the package. Speaking about law side of the story, there wasn't any contractory obligations for Harding to behave like Y and not behave like Z so it's useless even trying to find what he was guilty of.

Apart from the main topic (who's the dirty one?), it really amuses me how many bigots could be found on e-sport site, mainly devoted to some satanic themed game where you shoot people. Everything was forbidden some years ago, ya know, especially in public entertainment. You could had performed only in a nice Sunday suite and only a nice song with only a nice words while smiling your nice smile. The first black group appeared on MTV only 20 years ago or so.

And James wasn't even on television. He was entertaining young audience in the internet. Young audience in the internet, Carl. And we may like it or not but he chose an effective way to do it, while all that corporative polit-correctivness approach "I'm so happy to be at (insert event), thanks to (insert sponsor) and (insert second sponsor). Let's grab each other's hand an dance some greeting gnomish dance!". They just don't buy it. This is internet, where ppl switch to other site at the blink of the eye, the show need to be dynamic and provocative, you need to spice things a little bit.

At the end, nobody ever sued any of the esport organizers for any of 2gds jokes, so all the Shanghai Exile story is just a pathetic demonstration of fears by some close-minded adept of corporate culture.

it really amuses me how many bigots could be found on e-sport site

Those "bigots" are people who realize that internet culture cannot seamlessly be transferred to "real life". Already had that discussion with someone here who thought it was ok to use the word rape in the supermarket and when talking to your boss because it became common terminology in the Quake community.

close-minded adept of corporate culture

He went there for the $$$ and not to change the world.

And by the way I do not think he needs that kind of stuff to be a good caster.

Listen, this really is about one single thing: censorship.

You could either fully support it or be absolutely against it. Not inbetween.

I'm strongly against censorship in any forms. What is forbidden, must be forbidden by law, and ONLY by law, not by some random hypocrits.

Especially, when its about internet. You could argue about the line between the "real" and net, but lets just look at the numbers here: hundreds of thousands watch major events in net, while only a few hundreds watch it live. 0.1%. Vs 99.9%. So, its internet. And the internet must be self-regulative, where, if you're good caster, when ppl love you and you cast moar, if you're bad, well, you're bad. Break the law? Pay the penalty, go to jail. End of the story.

No it is not about censorship. He is not a martyr of free speech but an employee who didn't do his work as expected by the employer. It would be different if he went there for example as an independent journalist and got threatened about publishing his story.

Sucks for him if it was the result of miscommunication but no need to make it bigger than it is.

No, it is about censorship.

It's just your concept of censorship is a cliche and very narrow. I'm not trying to turn 2gd into some rebel artist, which he isn't. But his job IS creative and based on the improvisation. Setting artificial borders to creative activity IS censorship and this is ugly vestige from medieval times, now in corporative uniform.

"as expected by the employer" - if there weren't any contractory obligations, then it means nothing. Nobody knows shit what others expect of him. You have one common sense, i have another, 2gd has 3d and Gabe 4th (if he has any).

See, I respect your position and I myself am a fan of idealism. But the world is as it is. Do not like censorship by big companies? Well, then don't work for them and do not accept the nice salary they offer. I think the struggle between morals and money is something that everyone who is remotely successful encounters at some point in life.

Phy1um here, at uni and don't know my password :D

I think this is actually a good point, but the organiser also has some responsibility with this. Even the best, most consistent caster can say something bad in the moment. You can't make any assumptions about common sense - if I was organising an event like this I would definitely be as explicit as possible to my casters about what they shouldn't say.

Basically it would help to separate the cans from the cunts.

Shutup phylum and learn to remember your damn passwords.

Yeah both sides were in the wrong. We get it. Valve is the big dog though, they should act with more professionalism. Especially Gabe, "James is an ass". Really? Are you regressing back to childhood?

2GD is always welcome on the polish streets
jus sayin =]

so.... syncerror ask him to cast qcon plz

...and invite av3k too, the 'av3k and 2gd show' was one of most amusing things i've seen in gaming casts/interviews. Can still picture stermys face when av3k said he didn't agree with the decision to force the use of razer mice some years back. Another example of one guy under the corporate thumb and another guy using his free speech, nothing against stermy at all, I fully appreciate that to get along in business you have to jump through hoops etc (and deal with your bro stealing pizza)

Vote for czm-2gd combo as well. But frankly saying 2gd is just not interested in ql scene anymoar. Just like he said, same old faces again and again, not enough competition, no drama at all.

I don't think Av3k will ever be able to enter the USA again.

Visa is a bitch even without a criminal record

no no no no... best combo still 2gd & joe miller

100%, was 2gd while it lasted

That would be really cool and a great way for both ID and 2GD to capitalise.

Quake fans get 2gd casting, ID get the publicity of 2gd hosting their event after being fired from the dota 2 thingy and 2gd gets to re-establish himself in the quake community just in time for his kickstarter

idk quake competition scene is quite stale its been stale since before ql came :D.

Like 2GD already said... if quake had many new pro players not ust a few new players, then he would maybe pickup on things.

Funny you should say that, I only ever watched QL comps where 2GD casted. Watching it without 2GD can get pretty boring, he makes it fun.

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but who is dota?

And why do people keep LoLing in the middle of sentences?

Valve have a right to decide what they want to do with their events. I won't agree with their choice, but whatever.

But 2GD clearly implied that it he was told to be himself, which he was, and nobody has denied this so far, which would be in their benefit to do... So for now it looks like Valve had shit communication, hired a clown despite wanting a vanilla showhost and having extensive experience with the specific clown, and fired him upon realizing their mistake despite the community loving it.

Seems like valve are out of touch with the community and can't communicate internally either.

But hey they can't have made the wrong choice, they made millions doing completely unrelated stuff so who are we to question their judgement right. /s

and fired him upon realizing their mistake despite the community loving it

Seems like valve are out of touch with the community

The fact that people like to call you "potato" doesn't mean that you have to appreciate it.

Your metaphor seems rather disconnected - Valve weren't the ones being insulted, players / The chinese were.

And 'people' aren't just randoms, they're your deeply loyal customers. If you're building a product for them, you might want to take them into consideration.

chinese people jerk off too!

And apparently wheelchair porn is a thing there!

James was provocative with his "the organization sucks" and such, as always.

Same argument, it is not because my customers like my meals that I, the cooker, have to take everything they say for granted. If I consider my gratin to not fit anymore in the menu, I can remove it.
Of course it may have an impact in the future but that's not the actual matter.

I said that it's their choice in my post. I just think it's wrong.

don't you have contracts?
I would have sued like a maniac.

if they had a contract it would say what 2GD can't do at the event. but he's saying he had no idea and they were like lol do whatever.

I dont think the joke was appropriate for this audience ...
a lot of school kids from 10 years onwards are probably playing a game like DOTA 2... I watched a bit the opening of this shanghai event ... the whole show is so boring and liveless, but then again I dont care about Dota 2 ... but tbh. us chess events have much better broadcasts, could incorporate some pieces of these shows in ...

10?
As soon as they push those little fuckers out they ship em off to dota school, or the shaolin temple.
Eat breath and sleep dota. So much so they don't even know that there are black people in the world.

That's dedication!

you're n-word got n-worded.

I agree !!Niggers!! Are too funny to be nuked

don't forget to have a bunch of babies and live off the government for free lol

They told me i could be anything in life so i decided to be too good!

2gd is the best quake caster and most entertaining host.

I met him briefly a couple of times at DreamHack and he was encouraging and supportive and joined me to cast some. He helped us actually get a stream at DreamHack for quake, which was not neccesseraly a guarantee.

I can see why his attitude after being fired comes across as unprofessional and a little immature to some. But that's because most of us are sheep. We won't say shit and try to follow the rules others place on us, cowering to the big man. The most successful people and real leaders, like 2GD, stick to their principles even if the majority disagree.

He is right to stick to his beliefs about production and talent payment, because he is right.

The worst bit of this is actually his conversation where he states he makes the jokes because his audience expects it. As though there is a pressure to do something he maybe thinks he shouldn't. I find that a little sad in the context of his leadership position. Jay you don't need these convoluted pre-prepared jokes, or to even push the boundaries particularly. You are the most entertaining host without these gimmicks.

However please stick to your principles about production and the direction of esports. We might not all agree with it but if you don't other people who don't understand the history of esports will come in and imprint their view.

This.

Even inspite me defending James right to joke exactly how he pleases, the part when 2gd admits he does something only because his audience expects him to... Yeah, that's kinda sad. That's weak and inferior position, like each time he's in contact with his fans, they're infesting him with some Turret syndrome. While he could form their tastes, not to be deformed by them.

Yeah they should send vor to cast DOTA in China

To be constructive (for once): Production concerns should be discussed backstage, and in a constructive manner.

Sure it's fun to go all burning bridges live and stuff, but not doing that -while also doing your job well- ensures a second, a third and a 20th job with the same company and a good relationship with the people behind it.

You mean like how this was what, the 4th or 5th time Valve hired him?

I was under the impression he did discuss it backstage over many events.

So what now, is he a "real leader" who "sticks to his principles even if the majority disagrees" or does he conform with the expectations of the majority to increase his audience?

For the rest I agree, the more mainstream esports becomes, the more boring it will get. Like with everything else.

It is not either-or.

His principles are a belief that his way of presenting esports is the best. That should suit the bigger audience in the end.

I meant this part in particular:

The worst bit of this is actually his conversation where he states he makes the jokes because his audience expects it.

I agree with your point by the way, I just do not see those jokes as part of what he really is.

It is not either-or.

His principles are a belief that his way of presenting esports is the best. That should suit the bigger audience in the end.

2gd is gamings donald trump.

that means Donald Trump is amazing! Niggers!

Calm down with the rat jizz, bud.

Just no.

LOL @ people doing live destruction of their business ties.
Anyway, if you smack talk your employers so much and do live drama, no one will want to make business with you. Unless you're soo good there's no other choice.
He apparently thinks he is the next best thing.
Dont get me wrong, I liked his persona, and shit talking is a part of community that's already dumbed down from raw, fire-spitting nerd rage it used to be.
But what he did here was unwise.

But that's because most of us are sheep. We won't say shit and try to follow the rules others place on us, cowering to the big man.

Mwaha. Yep. If you're employed, that's what happens. That's what your contract obliges you to. Also, do you want to say that business agreements mean that people who stick to them are sheeple and the ones who violently disagree, throw shit and their weight around and make unnecessary fuss are the real deal? I kindly disagree, after 10 years of operating my own business.

You done having a whinge, grandpa?

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DAAAYUM KIDSSS....

so when is diabotical coming?

soon after pre-diabotical.