Genocide
.-..-.
"-.-"

Cringe

oh boy i read that in the announcer voice

it has a fucking wallhack powerup???

The music sounds worthy at least.

shows your last killer for 30 seconds

The thing that upsets me most about this, is knowing that there are plebes out there who will genuinely think this is great.

THIS IS GREAT!!1!!

The thing that upsets me most about this, is knowing that there are plebes out there who will genuinely think this is great.

THIS IS GREAT!!1!!

yeah....riff raff

What's with the announcers sucking balls in the latest id games.

"If you are inclined to create something yourself, even the most simple, nonsensical thing, you can do it."

login just to plus u, sir
GENOCIDE and stuff sounds way too GAY

Wanna admit something, buddy? ;-)

I think that they hired Stephen Hawking... But rather than fixing the physics he did a voice over...

rip quality doom games

giff xian

graphics look just like ut3

i see enemy models are more visible now. next time i need to see some strafe and/or weapon movement assist aka rocket jumps. :)

I noticed that too, but the "turning with a gamepad" look canceled it out:)

I don't understand the people complaining about it looking nooby or casual. If you want a hardcore successor to Arena FPS then come play Reflex. We need more people playing! The problem is hardly anybody is playing Reflex!

What's wrong with Doom being more casual and Halo-ish? It looks fun. It's not like the original Doom's were some hard core competitive game. Damn you can camp a corner with a SSG that will auto hit your enemy? Rofl really skillful. This honestly looks like one of the best mainstream multiplayer shooters to come out since CS:GO (past 4 years) I don't understand the hate.

haters desire to get another top notch skill shooter where your senses are truly tested (no marketing BS here), that is all.

But what they do not understand is that company must target firstly the average player so they hook them in -like in fishing and slowly wheel them in to get great fan numbers. And while company expands their fan base they also expands e-sport features and tightened up the gameplay. - ideally with experience id got with QL sports.

... this kind of evolving the game/metagame works best for long term partnership.

You are delusional if you think id gives a single fuck about deep MP features.
All the finesse always comes thanks to the community's effort. OSP set the standard, then CPMA.

id can (or had) the potential to create the backbones of a game that would have endless potential, with perfect aesthetics as well.

Now they intentionally dumb things down to cater the normalfags and just casual people.
Doom will be an amazing single player game, but I don't understand why people had any hopes in a Quake replacement with this.
They didn't even bother with a Coop mode ffs (which would have been fun)

Why nobody plays Reflex? Well simple, because it's just a castrated CPMA. The sounds and aesthetics are a mistake, why would you bother when you have CPMA which is the same but with the 1 in a million jackpot aesthetics of Q3? Everyone is using the Q3 sounds in Reflex for a reason, but that's useless since it eventually will not be allowed and you can't definitely play tournaments using custom stuff.
The game is just annoying to hear and to look at, sort of like Q4.
The damn models don't lean at the sides when strafing, the arrow thing has just no power compared to a goddamn railgun, there's no pleasure from hitting the thing, the rockets are shit and so is the doppler effect (compare it to dodging rockets in Q3 with the amazing wooshhhhhhhhhh sound).
Oh, and don't get me started on those low testosterone announcers.
Sorry no other game will have the balls of Q3 or QW (even tho QW is way too rustic, but it's still there). Reflex and all those fucking new games are like they are made for Redditors.

When I saw this trailer I think I can understand your frustration, but try to remember that this is Doom, not Quake.

Doom1/Doom2 was fast as fuck and fun, that's how I remember Doom.

http://www.reflexfps.net/forums/index.php?/to...o-play-it/

As soon as it stops feeling like CPMA i will start playing it.
Hell a LOT of people would start playing it, but there is a reason why cpma was a niche mod.

this!

cpma was a niche mod because it wasn't pushed forward by id.

yet cpma was used at some major event (CPL 2006 if i remember correctly), but yep it was vq3, not CPM.

if John Carmack himself and his crew had the idea of making q3 like CPM out of the box, then it would just have had the same "success" as vq3 had in the past.

The problem with CPM is not the gameplay, it's just because it's not "official" so basically all the noobs and pros play where the money is at (vq3 in the past, and now Overwatch).

if people don't play reflex it's not because of the gameplay, i understand the argument that the GFX models and sounds don't feel as "epic" as q3, to some people, but what did you expect ? Reflex only has a few very dedicated devs, while games like Overwatch have like 256246236 devs + massive promotion budget + massive budget overall (because it's blizzard).

When q3 came out, it had all the hype surrounding it, and id definitely had money to make the game at least relatively successful, also because they made the legendary 1st quake and quake 2, and at the time arena FPS were much more popular than nowadays.

Give 1 billion dollars to reflex's devs and you can be sure that noone will play QL again, and even people who doesn't really enjoy CPM's feeling (physics, weapons, maps etc) will be forced to adapt to it and might enjoy it as much as they enjoy vq3 in the long term.

People are used to vq3 gameplay since 1999, so they have their habits and "comfort zone", and quakelive is like 5x more popular than reflex and made by id, so why would they made an effort to adapt to a faster gameplay (reflex) ?

I personally enjoy both QL and Reflex, I'm aware of the pros and cons of each gameplay, but if you follow the logic of "true hardcore fast-paced arena FPS", then reflex wins.

Changing direction in the air while moving at 1000ups on tiny all-hear maps is just not appealing to most people. And even if it is about he "comfort zone", who really cares. You cant force people to like something, you can only make em hate it with showing it down their throat.

Changing direction in the air while moving at 1000ups on tiny all-hear maps is just not appealing to most people

Not being able to change direction in the air while moving at 320ups on huge "endless +back maps" is just not appealing to most people.

And even if it is about he "comfort zone", who really cares.

Still it's an important point, because when people are used to something for years they are afraid about changes, myself included tbh :)

You cant force people to like something, you can only make em hate it with showing it down their throat.

I'm not talking about forcing them to like something. But let's be honest, reflex is much closer to vQL than games like overwatch or CS:GO, but still nowadays most quake players are playing either overwatch or CS:GO...
Generally people are just ignorant, they try something, if it's not popular enough they find every little gameplay element that they dislike (and most of the time those gameplay elements are not flawed, just different than what they are used to play with (in this case, vQ3/QL)) when they try the game for like 2-3 hours max and make a judgement out of it, which is 90% of the time very subjective and clueless.

Not being able to change direction in the air while moving at 320ups on huge "endless +back maps" is just not appealing to most people

if you are talkin about cs the ups is capped at 300 not 320

no i'm talking about QL obviously ;)

funny that that's true for cs too and that's the most popoular fps ever

because people don't like fast game like QL ? :D

also actually CS is not +back, far from it. It's more about getting the better position/angle on the map with team coordination and.... camping :>

But let's be honest, reflex is much closer to vQL than games like overwatch or CS:GO, but still nowadays most quake players are playing either overwatch or CS:GO...

1. Im sick of quake and quake like games, or im sick of small community and playing same players over and over again in quake -> I go play cs or ow

2. Im sick of quake and quake like games, or im sick of small community and playing same players over and over again in quake -> I go play reflex

One of these doesn't make sense

2. Im sick of quake and quake like games, or im sick of small community and playing same players over and over again in quake -> I go play reflex

This one still makes sense. If you do what you enjoy the most and cba about money and if you're not a try hard "pro" player. Like dkt said "get a job" :D. And play what you like the most, not what is most popular.
And how can you be sick of quake or quake-like games ? :) QUAKE FTW (including reflex).

people like cypher and rapha or even cooller are not sick of quake, they just go where the money is at, where the hype is at, they play overwatch not because they are sick of quake, but because appart from quakecon there's no major quake tournament anymore that is worth investing your time into the game.

I wasnt talking about pros. I just stated the 2 most common reasons why people quit playing quake. They are either bored of the game, or dont want to play same people all the time. Reflex doesnt sound like a good game to switch to in either of those cases. Reflex is meant to target new audience, not ql players

I wasnt talking about pros. I just stated the 2 most common reasons why people quit playing quake.

but noobs or average players follow the pros :). But imho it's meaningless to say anything about that cause we don't have any statistics to back up our arguments, only our friends lists.
I think quakelive playerbase is quite stable actually, it's not particularly growing but not decreasing at the same time. But there again, i'm not sure of either of those because i don't have any stats to back up what i'm saying :).

But for the pros players i think it's fair to say that most of them moved to overwatch (according to what cypher said and the multiple twitch streams). But could just be the hype train and end-up like shootmania, time will tell.

I still don't agree with you about "Im sick of quake and quake like games", i think that most people playing quake are still enjoying it, because it's FUCKING QUAKE BABY :D. But i think i do agree with you about "im sick of small community and playing same players over and over again".

Reflex is meant to target new audience, not ql players

Reflex is meant to target any audience, and especially quake players ;). But I do agree with you that the community is too small to attract a lot of players, quake players or not. But there again we go back to the argument of "not enough money, not enough hype, not enough devs, id not involving in the project".

also, in my case, i said to myself :

ok, quakelive is rather dead, i'm sick of playing a game that hasn't the playerbase of CS or CoD, i'm sick of playing the same game for so many years and not getting rewarded for it.
So fuck it, if i have to play a "dead" game, i'll go play something really hardcore with pretty GFX, new engine, new maps etc...
Yeah so, let's try reflex, I heard it's pretty good.

Then i tried it, and liked it instantly. Tbh i don't even care if it's "dead", i enjoy the engine, the GFX, the smoothness and the fast-pace of the game. I also like the movements possibilities a lot, and the weapons just feel right. And at least it's fairly new compared to quake, and it's still quake in its core-gameplay.

And let's support the devs and buy the game, hopefully it will get better and better with each new update.

So fuck it, at least i can say to myself "I'm a true fanatic, i play an hardcore game for hardcore players, and most importantly i enjoy doing it" :D

They play cs:go as there are money to be won... not even to start talking about overwatch, who stands behind it and how much money will be put into competition there. It's not about what they like, it's a real option that they would prefer quake if there where money in it, but there are none. As for cpm - air control is a niche itself, common people sens is that if you jump - you can't control yourself and there is some prediction where u will go... like.. in real life. Dunno the reason, but for most and myself - air control is not what we like. I would play reflex only if the movement is a variant of vq3/vql instead of a variant of cpm/qw.

That said, like i said, i enjoy both QL and Reflex gameplays.

but again, reflex feels more "hardcore" to me, which is nice, because else i would've been playing CS:GO or Overwatch.

You just sent the thread to shit.

What did i do? :)

Oh I thought the good old CPMA vs OSP rage was coming but I guess people are getting old.

Maybe over the years we all got older and possibly more mature? :)

yea right )

And thats another franchise in the crapper

2004 called.

Doom3 was awesome son

Yeah, and so is this game kappa.

kapa means hat in my country, so your saying you have your game hat on? good for you buddy. :)

in sweden kappa means coat, I think it is his game coat that is awesome.

hah coats and hats ... wtf is this game.

ill forgive this game all console shitness if there will be map editor with clear possibility to create ztn

you mean dm6.

you mean aerowalk

You mean ztn

you mean ra3dm20

you mean thunderstruck

you mean toxicity

overkill!!

so glad to see siniter! such a good map

hell gate?

you mean ztn

You mean Wicked by FxR|jude.

you mean longestyard?

you mean q2dm1

You mean DmDeck16

I splooged myself?

you mean ztn

All ya'll bitches will buy it anyway, so stop playing hard to get.

Even the poor with dual core CPU's and no SSD drives.

You are teh failest of them all.

Youtube comments:

Azio Prism9 hours ago
kids these days won't even realise that this is 99% quake 3 arena.

taragnor6 hours ago
+Azio Prism Yeah it seemed way more Q3 than Doom to me. Looks like they updated Q3 and mixed in some Halo. My guess is it's going to be loved by fans of Q3 but not really well received if you aren't a Q3 fan.

MingLee

where is strafing? no much dodger. how can it be quake?

this does not seem quake 3 at all. even have double jump it seem.

stupid people on youtube say opposite of true

MingLee

>we should eat shit because there's nothing else to eat

agreed

looks fun. that's the only thing that matters. that it looks fun. sooner or later you're all gonna be forced to realize that arena fps died ages ago.

tru dat homes

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/leaked-doom-foot...as-7528163

http://www.lenscrafters.com

If there is a way to turn off all the gimicky shit and play a regular duel/tdm/ctf game with weapon and item pickups etc it MIGHT be playable and somewhat enjoyable.

One of the fairly limited positive things I saw in the video is that there are jump pads, can't really tell what proper PC gameplay is like though because all of their trailers so far have been console footage.

What are the chances of them providing options to turn off all the casual bs and have some form of strafe jumping or at least faster movement speed for PC servers?

Is the announcer gay or smth ?

no, people who say its gay are gay, get some proper headphones what have sub bass down to 6hz from 22hz, and turn up the volume

announcer won`t get on your nerves like most others when talking ass ontop of all the explosions

if you need special hardware to make the announcer not sound 'gay'........ Then it's not really a wise choice to have him announce stuff.

Most people will play Doom3 on a console with an okish TV.
If it sounds "computer like and boring" on my decent headphones.... Then I feel inclined to agree with people claiming it sounds gay on other hardware.

(not that I would personally label any voice 'gay' I prefer other terms... For a large part because I am a big Freddy Mercury fan. Who I would describe as being gay.)

You are right, labeling a voice gay is not applicable.

The announcer is a homo.

Fixed.

don`t need special hardware, everyday £12 headphones will go below 22hz

if gaming headsets are rubbish, its too bad

Yeah it's the headset .. or maybe you forgot about the real shit :).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9G-3MD9zNQ

if you want your 3d surround sound, something has to go

you got problems son.

no,

this is you



this is me

Wanna admit something, buddy? ;-)

Can I change some server cvars?
If yes: great game!!!!
If no: fuck the announcer.

are you gay?

You have a new match!

Go checkout this guy who seems to share your interests.

And remember: be polite, no dick pics and harassment.

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"Luke, I am your father. Also cvars and mods are not allowed"

i just did some research on voiceover person and YES, long time before DOOM this guy made some funny songs:
https://youtu.be/fbGkxcY7YFU

p.s. I SAID WHAT, WHAT.....GENOCIDE

in 10 years we'll get doom 5 with Butters announcer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxCSSzb0I9o

jeez what a sterile announcer

throws a wall at :09
looks like overwatch mei's icewall - except see-through

looks slow as hell.
people compare slowness to COD...
I've played cod... it's way faster than what i'm seeing.
Halo has faster gameplay.

Can't they just make a run button like in doom?
That was fast.

the player animations for multiplayer suck horribly too.

The movement looks pretty clunky.

Not just the movement, the whole thing looks terribly console-ish, but if we look back how horribly and morbidly terrible game Quakelive was when it was released (seriously, it was a very bad joke at best and iirc under the same leadership), then this might also have some future later on. I might be too naive again, but "hope dies last”:)

all id games were perfected by community... lets just hope, id devs will listen to the community soon enough, ofc If MP has potential.

All id games before 1999.

Now they only allow the code to be modified after their pile of shit games die.

And to be fair, hardly any game producers have made anything worth playing since 1999.

Might as well play UT, at least that doesn't have stupid finishing moves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xL2rcXI698

i was about to come and post this

new UT is actually impressive. has more movement tricks and it's not a bastardized version of its former self

still jerking movment...

aye it only has retarded guns

that looks super fun :o

i just hate the multiple keypress dodge so much... :(

i have dodge bound to mouse4 and also forward+backwards dodge to scrollwheel, walldodge dont need to be double tapped anymore. but the guns are still retarded.

i will have another look then, if you don't have to double tap for dodge, but instead can press an additional key for it to work. :)

thats exactly how it is although you can still double tap and that cant be turned off so quake-like micrododging is hard to execute

awwww...

my console is ready

Remember when people said Rage was the next big thing? lol exactly!

This looks a ton better than Rage tho. It has teamcolors, which is a huge plus for me. Weapons look really good and there is the gore.... This has potential imo, well at least I hope someone will make a decent mod for us:)

i`ll release mine if you all buy me 1 of these

https://www.zotac.com/gb/product/graphics_car...mp-extreme

3x display port, won`t have to buy a new card for 4 years

Why would you buy an expensive DX11 card when DX12/Vulcan is coming?

zotac`s is dx12 and 12.1, i can`t say i care about vulcan, still need a new PSU and a decent 27" monitor

the best part of opengl is just in the drivers, you need at least a kepler ti 980 or something for vulcan support

https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver

I couldn't even finish the singleplayer in rage.

It was meh.

game to keep installed when there is nothing else, it still has quick saves so you use those, instead of campaign continue

New game mode trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr_df-GlX0E&feature=youtu.be

don't think I'll buy this, i'm not their target audience. looks like Halo to me

lol'd at clan arena, if it isn't possible to rocketjump (not confirmed yet) then what's the point with the mod?

Why there's no duel ?

Did you actually expect duel? The one thing I'm surprised about is the lack of FFA.

Yes, I also saw this. I don't think any of us here are id's target audience tbh, on the contrary, if one thing became clear to me in the last few years, is that id would pretty much do everything they could to get rid of us.
Instead of building on the awesome and very high skilled community (both modding and skill/gameplay wise), which I - repeatedly suggested to them btw - they teamed up with some very "pro and knowhow" people and systematically destroyed everything what made id games the best for such a long time, and now we have "shooter games" among the zillion other shooter games on Steam.

But I still see a potential in this with a decent mod (which would fix the movement, unlock the fps, etc)... I won't judge it until it's out and tested for real.

ps.: not really MP related, but I find it really sad that it also lacks the coop fun, which I loved so much in the original Doom, and which I will never forget.. the good old times:)

im already fixing their shit code, i`ll add duel over night and FFA and CTF

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/4bh2bc...s_experts/

preview of they external virtual c scripts quakewars did have, that will be used for snapmap and its game logic

i like the idea of freeztag in hell, it kinda balances :)

i just hope in Freeze Tag : i can spec my Teammate when iam frozen! :)

NEVAR! .... besides since hell is hot, you get an auto unfreeze time, lawl.

hehe,,,,, the hell will never freeze!

https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/doom-mul...6/03/21/92

tdm, ca, dom, ft, warpath, soulharvest. Meh