well can't argue with science /debate











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minor zis

For the (n+1)th time, calling gamers and gaming "athletes" and "sports" comes down to semantics.

Someone does a study that shows gamers have to posess a high degree of coordination, that gamers experience adrenaline/ high heartbeats, that gaming requires an in-depth tactical understanding. Woah these are new concepts. Blew me away :o

It doesn't "prove" gaming is a sport. Gaming requires a computer. No sport requires a computer. There, I've drawn the line in the sand!

Please change to journal or forum :)

You lost any credibility when you mentioned "Gaming requires a computer. No sport requires a computer."

You're still using physical "tools" for sports so using a computer would still be classed as a physical tool.

Now don't be a tool and post stupid replies when the actual data is driven through the actual bodily responses in comparison to a lot of other physically demanding sports.

tl;dr

Whatever floats your boat.

see below.

semantics semantics semantics

basketball requires a basket and a basketball...
No other sport requires a basket and a basketball. There I've thrown water over your line in the sand.

The obvious difference being that all gaming requires a computer, and no sports require a computer. You took my quote out of context.

I don't even get why people are so hungry to call gaming a legit sport. It's gaming. It's cool, it's fun, it's a thing, it's skilful, it appeals to many people, it's inclusive, it's diverse, some people make money from it, whatever.

But it is set in a virtual world. Sports happen in the real world.

And once again we're down to semantics. But you must admit that this study doesn't change anything; the debate has and always will come down to how you define sport.

the logic is exactly the same though so it's not really pulled out of context.

Same case: Chess requires a chessboard and chess pieces. No other sport requires a chessboard and chess pieces.

However chess is also considered a sport.
You appear to want to define sport as a physical exercise, which neither chess nor gaming "really is" (gaming is/can be more physical than chess, as you still need to do physical actions though to control the action).

So basically you do not have a single valid argument.
Doesn't mean that you're wrong.... Just that your argumentation sucks.

first weird post i dont agree with.

and why is that?

sports have perfect netcode

wem knows's what's up

like mephistoo said, I don't see chess as a sport either. I know it technically is...but I doubt the majority of people agree with that to be honest. Would be interesting to do a survey.

What I'm saying is that gaming as a concept is unified by the requirement of a computer.

All gaming requires electronics as the fundamental platform for the activity to take place.

No sports require electronics as the fundamental platform for the activity to take place.

I see your point, but without being stupidly picky, we can draw a line around physical aids to a sport (e.g. ball, hoop, goal, pitch). Electronics are not a physical aid to gaming. They are a virtual aid. The game occurs inside the computer, in a non-physical manner (unless you're considering electron-football).

I think it seems reasonable that electronics is used in a significantly different way to any of those aids. I don't think rigorous argumentation can be applied in this sort of discussion, because it all comes down to your definition of sport, which is loose at best.

unfortunately for you chess is considered a sport, and the writer of the article would probably use the word carrying it's intended meaning. Not your own made up one.

See first paragraph ^^

Anyway I see mephistoo has taken the baton now :)

you can't be fat and athlete at the same time. it doesn't work like that.

athlete
vs
sTPHN, you, etc

Baseball.

Clueless.

delusional.

Its not a sport, no matter how hard fags try to convince them selves it is. 50kg asian weaklings spamming 120 APM are not athletes

how come I get flamed and you get plussed :(

esr works in mysterious ways

because he doesn't explain his logic.

It's why Trump gets a lot of votes as well, Trump just makes statements which are fairly agreeable for the crowd he's in front and then doesn't explain how he got to the conclusion because his logic is pure radical/racist bullshit.

Im racist to esports? btw chess is not a sport either, nor is poker, snooker, darts.... Those are competitive games. Sports should require more physical activity

competitive games. /end

Esports is not a race so no you're not racist.

And although I personally agree that a "sport" should contain physical activity over mental activity.... this is not how "sport" is actually defined.

If you exclude chess / poker / snooker / darts from "sports" then one could make an argument that you are having "racist lines of logic" (as one sport is a "lesser sport" compared to others) towards those sports. (although they are obviously not races... so there should be a term for that... which I find difficult to remember at this time.)

I said that Trump has racist views though... But people vote for him because he doesn't have to explain the logic behind his views.

im a sportist :) I dont really consider those games lesser sports. I just see them fitting in sports category. Apple is not a lesser orange, if you know what i mean

well if you consider darts & chess sports... then I don't see any logic for you why gaming has to be excluded from being a sport.

You didnt understand correct. I dont consider those to be sports. Some people do, i dont. That doesnt mean those are lesser, its a different category for me. Calling chess sport is actually derogatory for it imo.

Disagreeing with the meaning of a word doesn't mean that others that use the "actual meaning of the word" are wrong when they use it in a correct way that you disagree with.

Sometimes it pays off to at least agree on the terminology and accept the definitions.

Your post reminds me of the pile of shit that current day philosophy has become. Simply trying to mess around and redefining the meaning of words just to try and poke around why others see things some way.

I wont agree to such terminology because its obviously wrong. People often force things into categories they dont fit in. They do it arbitrary, not following common sense. Just like they put tomatoes under vegetables when they are fruit, just like they put chimps into a different genus (pan) when they should be in homo like us. You need to differentiate things which are different even tho some asshole once put them in a box they dont fit.
Which of these doesnt fit?: football, basketball, swimming, skiing, cycling, marathon, tennis, chess
Which of these doesnt fit?: chess, darts, snooker, poker, rowing

football because it requires a football, basketball because it requires a ball and a basket, swimming because it requires a pool, skiing because it's retarded, cycling because it's only about doping, marathon because it's too boring to watch, tennis because it ownz, chess because it's played on a board.

chess because it's played on a board, darts because it involves arrows, snooker because you need a specialized table for it, poker because it's a card game and rowing because it requires a boat and paddles.

Your point? :D

He's obviously making the same point as me.

sport involves moving

(Fuck chess, monopoly isn't a fucking sport is it)

So baseball aint a sport? :D

I think that was a joke? :p

i often joke that if you sweat because it's hot and not because of the sport thats really not a sport :P

:D

But then you've got short bursts of really intense activity

cricket too. Dull as fuck and then you have to run the 100m in 12s

It's more like what... 20 meters? I honestly think fat and old dudes could be baseball "athletes". The game is also so dumb and linear. No wonder stats are figuring it out in and out more and more. Basically it s way less complex then an average esport and way less physical than the average sports. And a game lasts like 6 hours? Wtf is that? No wonder young ppl dont watch nor play it.

Well even as a joke it might hurt our belowed community. One of the hardest things for E-sport to establish over the last couple of years has been to get the same respect as other professional sports. I don't really see how throwing darts for example would be considered a more phycial challange than aiming in a fps shooter.

One thing I believe is doing tons of work for the E-sport community btw is betting. You can for example bet on both na and eu lcs for League of Legends and several diffrent touraments in CS:GO. When people see that you can bet on E-sport matches in the same way you can for other more traditional sports, it might just give us the prestige we deserve.

Im not sure why you want esports to get big like traditional sports. That would only benefit big companies. Do you really enjoy watching clowns dressed up in suits acting all professional while casting cs:go? Do you enjoy commercials on game streams, product placement. You can see fans battling federations in almost any sport today, saying money and corporate sponsors ruined it. Why would you want that for your hobby/interest?

The bigger it gets, the more money it generates and with the money we will se more and more players who can make a living out of playing. I sure as hell know I would want that for myself.

U need to considr that ppl drink liters of beer during darts and thats a physical challenge!

Haha your damn right sir! :D

You mean to say: "in my definition sport involves moving".
The rest of the world has a different view on what the word means.

So, what do you do?

I'm an athlete actually

Oh cool, which sport?

League of Legends

Oh, you mean a gamer surely?

Well, if you take sport by the technical definition then actually you can't disprove that gaming is a sport, so I'm an athlete

But, don't....all sports involve some sort of physical activity?

Yes, but just because every sport involves a physical aspect doesn't mean that to be classified as a sport, an activity has to involve moving. Take basketball. Basketball requires a basket and a basketball...no other sport requires a basket and a basketball.

Well, no...but gaming is inherently different to conventional sports.

In which way?

You know, sports take place in reality. Gaming takes place in a virtual world. Seems like quite a significant difference.

And?

Wouldn't it be far more descriptive to call gaming e-sports and normal sports...sports?

But that makes me feel weak and pathetic

I don't think your self-esteem should come into this

I personally like to play tennis... I actually play it quite often (2 to 3 times a week).

I however I do not consider myself to be an athlete, but Roger Federer is.
So there can be gradations of skill&dedication before you are an 'athlete'.

The rest of the argumentation is the same bullshit you post above but put in an even lamer sounding kind of conversation.
Making an argument sound better doesn't make the argumentation good. (same stuff Trump does)

I didn't make any new arguments. I'm just trying to make you agree that despite the fact my arguments aren't rigorous, calling gaming a sport just doesn't mesh with our culture.

And there's no need to compare me to trump, relax

making me see your side is easy, because in principle I agree.

It's just that there is no sane argument against it being a sport if one assumes that chess is also a sport. Since chess is a sport I have no problem with people calling e-sports actual sports.
Besides if you wanna be good you need to put in practice and have a lot of dedication towards the game you want to become good at. Becoming the best in a specific game is perhaps more difficult than becoming the best chess player in the world (although there are better 'study material' in chess which makes it very different but I believe overall easier because there are fewer chess players than there are LoL players for example)

You should take into consideration that chess i recognized as a sport very recently, in 1999 (quake3 came out, coincidence? :)) despite its history going back centuries. Its all politics. Theres other aspects in which other sports and even chess are consistent (rules dont change every few months with every patch for example), but im not gonna go further into this, seems like a waste of time arguing about this stuff.

Sports is any competitive action in essence. Dunno why you guys would deny darts, chess and others to be less of a sport ? It's all competitive.

Hell, you can even call fast eating sport if 2 or more guys are going at it.

Basically, definition for sport needs to be updated!

It was a pleasure gentlemen

Weird is right and you are wrong.

Thank you for your opinion, care to elaborate?

http://esreality.com/post/2713059/fragging-for-fun-or-real-sport/

the comments didn't agree :(

It is unfortunate but we live in a world where people also vote for Trump.

I didn't realise defining gaming as sport was one of his policies

Circular reasoning at its finest.

Well we could take it down to a molecular level and due to the fact that we are all considered vibrating particles of light, protons, neutrons, electrons etc.

We are all considered to be of the same category. So neither your reply or definition be it right, wrong or neutral has any weight and thus in turn making this whole argument about as useful as a waterproof tea bag.

IMHO.

Dude youre gonna strain your brain trying to sound profound. If we go to molecular level everyhing is the same yes. Then chess would be a sport, hell you would be a sport, even pavement would be a sport.

Just breaking it down bruv!

esports is mostly grown men playing games made for 5 year olds

now you've explained your logic you won't get any more pluses

sure I will, because my logic is sound.

You only stop getting plusses when it turns out that your logic is flawed. Which yours is so....

Wasn't talking to youuuuu

lol

D:: love it

esport = job
thats all you need to know

lol

So moving your mouse is an athletic move? I dont buy it

the first 5 lines were pure bullshit, so i stopped reading

Please don't insult actual athletes.

lol @ esports is real sport faggotry.

Who actually cares whether it's a sport or not?

i met europe`s fittest woman today

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Stopped reading at "Science proves" .

esports is esports. THE END

hey! I have a few questions.

1: What is the definition of "sports" ?

2: Does "esports" meet the requirement of #1's answer?

3: How are you doing today?

4: Are you gonna play Overwatch or Doom?

rocket league`s a sport, so its all the other shit for 5 year olds

The definition of esport needs to be changed.

Only elite games should be considered an 'esport'.

Calling all this other shit an 'esport' is making a mockery of all the great esport titles that have come before.

It's like calling the great game of tennis a sport for years and years, then coming along and inventing a new game of tennis based loosely on the original and limiting the game so only people who are the same height, weight, body type and skill level can play and compete. Add on some other gimmicky shit to make the new version of tennis more popular and accessible and easier to play for younger and older people alike and then re-release the same thing every 12 months with minor x y z changes but basically the same shit game and rake in the cash more.

Then keep referring to this new dumbed down mockery of a sport as a great sport so the 'athletes' can make a pittance in comparison to the laughing-their-asses-off-and-rolling-around-in-money development companies and sponsors and producers while the dumb herd of humans continue to soak up their turd pile they call a sport.

Got a little carried away I guess, but you get the idea!

That's anology you made is not the best, but you brought up one thing I agree with, weight categories are retarded. Weight categories are the sole reason I can't take fighting sports seriously. You're the champion in under 70kg? Who the fuck cares. Its like being the champion of under 1500 elo

Yeah not a great analogy, just off the top of my head while in rant-mode it was t he best I could think of. I was just trying to provide a real world example of dumbing something down and levelling the playing field and lowering the skill ceiling.

Short people shouldn't do sports? That's brilliant.

They should, but not in a separate category. Messi plays against ibrahimovic, doesn't he? Blake runs against Bolt

A lot of good [img1] uses in this thread, I approve.

That's one of the most ignorant and stupid comments I've ever read.

Ok

why do you reply to a comment from 2016?

Because this thread was bumped 3 days ago :D

why so aggressive?

Because

is it supposed to be funny? did i have to laugh in a way? Or had you been really angry?

there

seriously who gives a fuck?

For some people is a problem of status, I think if you become a professional gamer is more than a blessing, being athlete or not, you should be proud of yourself.

name it as you want but it's a real thing.

Esports are of course a competitive game, just like Bridge, Poker or chess.

Only if the game is actually competitive (Quake 3, SC..) unlike modern games.