Accel is bs, take a sense u can 360 with and get used to IT so u dont need Accel for fast Spin/flick aim. Also play without timenudge, if u Put IT on u cant predict properly.

For me it varies. If I go an extended time without playing no accel helps to keep movements consistent.

Accel is configuration heavy using items such as yaw and pitch to fine tune the level of accel with x and y axis. Combined with the feeling of accel power and sens cap all makes things a bit different. Let's not forget if you have hardware accel on your mouse or enhance pointer precision on or off.

My personal preference with accel is sens 4 accel .5 m_yaw and pitch at 0.018 with no sense cap accel power of 2 using a claw grip. If I am using a palm grip which is damn near impossible because of my gorilla hands and mouse makers don't make the 3.0 anymore nor do I want a crappy used one and its only 125hz polling rate it makes things a bit more complicated.

I would say it really depends what you're going for more than anything. Accel definiely helps with my fingertip movements instead of having to move with my entire hand. It helps shoulder fatigure because I don't have to pretend like I am writing with a friggin huge crayola crayon.

TL;DR yes I accel and yes I like it.

"without playing no accel"

ok...
i think you are challenged even when not competing.
i hope you're just trolling otherwise..i pity u lots n lots based on what else you have to say around here.

That's wonderful that you care so much to post anonymously about it. I frankly do it for laughs more than anything else. The internet. It's serious business.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain m_pitch and m_yaw apply a linear scale to the sensitivity value calculated from accel, power and possibly even offset + cap. They don't tweak the amount of accel on the x and y axis. They tweak something, and playing with them works for some people I guess, but "level of accel" is not what they modify.

No, 10 cm per 360 turn doesn't need such shit

I'm used to long and hard movements. I guess we know what your 10 cm really means? >:)

Accel is bad, move on

this ^

^

+1

Most top duelers used it or use it tho

Most top duelers are idiots
Edit: Plus, they already know how to aim, they are just looking for comfort, which is what high sens or accel can provide.
Accel is a terrible thing if you want to learn how to aim, but if you already know how to aim, you can use it if it makes you more comfortable moving around.

Well then its not bad. You would think that if it's bad more than a couple duelers use only sensitivity.
In tdm i feel like the situation is different tho and there are more sens only players.

It is bad cause the only people that ask if they should use accel are people looking to improve their aim.

This is true. People add accel if it doesnt affect their aim, or it the impact on aim is lesser then the benefit they get from accel. No one improved their aim with accel. That doesnt mean its shit. You see lowesenser struggle quite often in close range fights

tell that to my aim scrub

WHAT AIM LOL

nice rockets, shit lg ;) ;)

What are/were you using?

I alternate between 20cm 360 and 45 cm 360, both with no accel!

Difference between accel and no accel
With accelerate the limit becomes higher.
I mean you can't do 720 degree turn without accel unless your sensi is high. There will always be the moment you spend time to put your mouse back to the position, and you can't hit while you do that.
With accel, you can always hit against anything if your control is good enough.
Very low sensi + very high accel + very good mouse control is the one thing you may want to aim for.
This allows you to not miss lg against micro dodging, but also you can hit flick direct rockets against ppl in very close range.
But you may become unstable.
Adding accel means adding the another factor to your mouse control skills, which is controlling the speed.
It is kinda hard coz sometimes you feel powerful and move your mouse big. Sometimes the opposite.
The same reason as why low sensi is more stable than high sensi.
But if you master the speed, you will be god.
I personally disabled accel just because overwatch didn't have one.
But if it did, and if I have enough time for games, I will go for it.

Btw I hit the same 40-50 lg, and a bit less flick rails and rl with no accel.
For now 18cm/360 no accel is enough for me.
Also you may need to spend more time to warm up with accelerate.
At least that was what happened to me.

Accelerate = accel
Fuck me for not disabling the autocorrect

Lol in your guide to hit lg you advice to use lowsens overall and end up using 18/360 yourself. Does that mean you mastered it so much that can have same control over micromovements with 18/360 ? :D

Yes, that is true.
As I stated in the guide, high sensi is superior than low sensi as long as your mouse control is good, because of 1: wider trace range 2: faster flick aim
Low sensi is easier to learn how you control your mouse smoothly, with no pixel skipping, which is hard with high sense especially when you have no idea how it works.
Once you got the idea and become able to hit 40-50 lg, then you should higher your sensi for more benefits.
I want to use 1cm/360 if I can control it.
I'm still in the process of improving my mouse control skills.

For example, low sensi users tend to use strafe aim even when they actually have good mouse aim skill.
This is because they have to move the mouse a lot if they strafe to the other direction, and they know they will need to re-position the mouse after that. Or in the worst case, the mouse will be outside of your pad during the fight.
Strafe aim is not bad always but it makes you more predictable.
Sometimes you may strafe to the direction to eat rockets even when you know you will eat it. It is a bad habit isn't it?
You will have more freedom with high sensi + good mouse control.
You are comfortable with more degrees.
This is one example for the wider trace range.
No need to mention about faster flick aim.

Heh interesting points, just it all comes to the personal ability of controling high sens/accel without a sacrifice. The higher it is the harder it is to control obviously and mostly even good players find themselves out of comfort zone to deal with smth <~20cm/360

Right, that's why I'm still at 18cm.
As I said, I want to use 1cm if I can control it.
It's just the challenge, and the fight against yourself.
And it's not wise to compare between me and "good" players.
Everyone has their own challenges.
I just focus more on mouse control than being "good" at this game.

Yes.

Personal preferance, most of the top gamers of the world use it, rapha for instance (not sure if cooller still does, he reguarly changes his stuff).

I myself don't

Top Quakers, not gamers. It's rarely used outside Quake afaik.

in CS:GO it almost seems shunned upon, atleast from talk I've heard on streams.

If accel in cs was implemented as good as it is in quake I think some people would actually use it. cs accel is pure garbage

Could be, never tried it.

A couple of cs legends do use kinzu v1 tho

Yup, only a handful of the top players use(d) it.
Then again, most people in CS just use whatever the best player has because that's "holy".

Like configs in quake.

Accel is great if you have talent and skill.

talent and skill in one sentence, the instant contradiction.

Definitions for contradiction:

"A combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another."

"A situation in which inconsistent elements are present."

Talent: "A special natural ability or aptitude"
Skill: "The ability to do something well; expertise."

Someone without a lot of natural talent can still build skill.

I don't understand how you can think the two words contradict each other? They are cloesly related sure, but not contradictory.

Many times they've both been proven contradictory due to "Popular beliefs" you could read up a bit about it from a book called the talent code.

Does not make your statement "talent and skill in one sentence, the instant contradiction." any more accurate.

I've read up about that book and it has nothing to do with talent and skill being contradictory, the two words simply define different things and are closely related.

Looks like an interesting book though.

The whole talent / skill is incredibly subjective.

Yes having an inane talent towards certain things will obviously allow you to progress quicker than someone who else might not have said talent, however regardless of the talent you could always reach that level of skill/mastery.

Now we can break it down to genetic make up too, hence why I said give the book a read and you'll see why I've called it a contradiction.

"you could always reach that level of skill/mastery."

That's cool to encourage people to work at things, it can be hard to find what you're really good at until you've really put an insane amount of effort into it too, but overall in reality I totally disagree with that statement sadly.

There's an old theory that it takes 10,000 hours hard work to become an expert in most things, you could live several full lifetimes and never come close to these talents, whether they're autistic savants or not :

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2015/08/jake-we...er-penman/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12237...emory.html

Or pick your favourite singer with immense vocal range, or most skilled gymnast. Some of it is biology / genetics and no amount of lessons would change your physical range enough.

Pretty sure you didn't read where I said we could break it down to genetic make up too.

No.

i don't get it

The way i see it accel is a great way to learn how good your rockets should be. No accel is a great way to just aim well in general with the bottlenecks that usually come like not enough speed. Once i learned to rocket well with accel i went back to no accel and my rockets were much better (but never quite as good as without it unless my form was in top shape) because i was able to point out my flaws much better.

low sens, no accel = good for long range aim, bad in close combats, constant hitscan aim

high sens, no accel = good for close-mid fights, bad for long distance, unstable hitscan aim

mid sens, mid accel = good for all distances and all weapons

high sens, high accel = rapha

high sens, no accel = agent (5 cm per 360 turn)

So high sens, no accel can indeed work for competitive quake? All this "at least 10cm/360°" talking is false then i guess ;P
What cpi and pollingrate is he playing with?

almost everything can work due to the capability of the human brain to adapt. So aslong as one uses values that are within a reasonable span to not get physically hindered, everything is just a matter of constant repitition and training.

Its the human nature to observe others and copy their actions if they have been successful. There is no sweet spot in games as there have been top players with low sens/high sens, no accel/accel. What is funny tho that each time someone is the champ other players begin to question their own config and alter their settings to somewhat mimic that guys config.

stick to a setting, train a ton, get good. there is nothing else to it even tho you might wish there was to skip the training part ^^

indeed! every time anyone asks me about my mouse settings or fov, i just reply him with latrommi's quote:

"I am not afraid of someone who changed thousands of configs or sensitivities, I am afraid of someone who is playing on the same settings for 10 years"

I use mid sens (1.4 - 800DPI -> ~ 37/360) no accel and it works just fine. It's about personal prefference, but no accel is much more consistent, because u play with one less factor (mouse speed).

accel is more shamanic than no accel

Accel is more fun than no accel

cl_mouseaccel 0 for immediate increase in skill level

i should try that out then...

so you gave up accel at last? :P

long ago, been 2 years or so of same sens 2 800dpi ~26cm/360
I think it helps with consistency in the long run - keeping same sens. of course if you're not comfortable you gotta experiment.

oh yea and I was obviously being facetious above, referring to OP's comment :)

good :)

I have whatever the mousebug [TM] value is

Quake is not suited to low sens and no accel unless you use a light mouse like tox or winz, how you achieve a decent sens for quake is entirely a personal thing. Although I do recommend if you try accel to use cl_mousesenscap to make flicks more reliable, raphas sens and accel is high enough that he'd not get to the top of accel curve and wouldn't benefit from it, a rare case.

It's because he fingers his mouse quite nicely I bet his g/f is one happy girl :)

I never used accel in my whole life, i dont even know what accel is xD

accel is when the ingame mousepointer yaw/pitch velocity is not a linear, but a exponential output from your mouse movement speed xD

Thank you for making my confusion bigger xD

not even exponential, it's speed + accel * ( velocity - offset )^(accelpower-1) :D

simple really

I did a long analysis a while back and the reason accel helps with large flicks besides the obvious (higher speeds) is because after a certain distance (like large flicks) muscle memory stops being as precise since we rarely aim that way. So accel is like a backup method of aiming where we aim with a sense of acceleration instead of muscle memory. So take whatever information you get out of that and try and find a comfortable sens for yourself.

I think accel was the greatest setting I've discovered in quake (except for the essential commands).
The first 2 years or so in ql I was a firm believer of playing without accel because I was looking at the setting from a theoretical point of view: "Accel makes every move different depending on how fast I move my mouse. How is that ever a good idea?"
As with many things in life theory only gets you so far though and I one day decided to just try it.
I instantly fell in love with it and was surprised that I only gained advantages from it. My aim was still on point, but moving around and flickshots felt much more effortless now.
But since quake is a game where it comes down to how you feel ingame, I definitely see how both parties would advocate their point.
And to answer your question. I don't feel like there's any time difference to warm up.

Settings?
Xd

sensitivity "2.8"
m_yaw "0.022"
m_pitch "0.022"
cl_mouseAccelStyle "0"
cl_mouseAccel "0.02"
cl_mouseAccelOffset "5"
cl_mouseAccelPower "2"

1000 dpi

Edit: Yeah forgot my dpi my bad, was in a rush typing it :D

None of that means anything without your dpi

Lolwut

1000 dpi, sens .42, accel .1

Love and always loved accel, without accel i feel the mouse response to be handicaped.

Do you use accel?

No you (c) zkyp

always. it's like an explosion you must handle. yeh

better? depends on game mode

I use a very low accel setting, it allows to keep a reasonably low sensitivity to be able to hit at long range while in close fights you can still react fast.

I think I use moderate accel. I used to use insane settings of sensitivity 1.4, accel 1. In those times I was using a WMO @ 125hz.

These days it's a Zowie ZA12 @ 1000hz, sensitivity 3, and accel of 0.07. 35cm/360 and still able to flick a 180 if need be.

I use 2.6 sens 0.01 accel 5 acceloffset with 800 dpi.

No clue why I use this settings )))

You're all fools. I use the 9,420 line Cypher config

25.9 cm no accel master race

:D

Accel was much more common in the past primarily because mouse technology couldn't support fast swipes - meaning you had to choose between either high sens with poor fine control, or low sens with difficulty turning.

Now that mouse technology is actually good enough to handle larger faster swipes, people are able to actually turn quickly with sens levels that are still fairly easy to control for fine movements.

This combined with people much more frequently playing more than one game, playing without accel makes it easier to maintain consistency between games.

Ruin your muscle memory with accel is not a good idea. Better use a comfortable sensitivity, don't mind long distance to begin with, focus movement, dodge and enemy prediction, aim comes when you stick to something comfortable. Plenty very good aimers below 20cm, so don't be scared choosing something like 10cm even, it's something that develops over time, stick with something that have you move around comfortably and relaxed

Accel has it's advantages, and so does non-accel.

In my mind, various settings for each individual weapon combined with accel offset seems to be the optimal solution if you want the best of both worlds.

senscap is also a very good compromise to get the best of both worlds

My 2c

In my opinion, my movment looks better with a small accel ( 0.1)
and i need more practice to have decent aim.

With no accell, my aim is decent but my movment sucks...

~20cm to do 360°

I play on linux with wine, unfortunately the accel looks buggy on linux :/ (i disabled mouse accel on the os)