I for one will need to upgrade machine before being able to run QC, and I don't intend to upgrade at all unless QC is really really really really really good. Otherwise it's gonna be me and (hopefully) 7 other sad fucks in a similar situation playin #tdmpickups.

As for playerbase migration, I think it's been so long since there was a new Quake, I expect a LOT of Quakers to move over to QC, especially considering anyone with Quake in their blood is gonna be looking for a manly alternative to Overwaifu and id/bethesda want to push it into esports. It might not quite become "The Thing" but it will certainly be "A Thing".

I still hate the fucking name anyway.

That name is pretty bad indeed. Even while avoiding Quake 5 (probably kept for a single player game... provided it won't just be called Quake), they could have gone with... idk... "Quake : Arena Masters". Anything to avoid "Champion" which sounds moba-ish.

As schizm said below:

class based Quake ........RIP

I'd rather keep not playing Quake at all than play QC. It's a bit funny to see all the self proclaimed diehard quakers around here creaming their jeans over Quake with classes, sorry, I mean champions. I'll never accept that adding a fucking wallhack (among other stupid things) to the game is a good idea. No matter how momentary it is. QC= Quake for Children

I'm far more excited about Diabotical than QC at this point. I thought a while ago 2gd talked about it being classed based, nice to see they dropped that.

I think a lot of the "positive" feedback for QC is actually "not-negative" feedback in disguise due to 2 predominant subliminal feelings.

Firstly, the simple fact that id software's Quake devs are a bunch of incompetent donut snorting morons and we expect absolutely nothing from them, we feel that if they then manage to produce something even remotely playable (which is what QC looks like it might be) it will be a monumental achievement. Imagine your dog always shits on your bed for years and then suddenly one day he shits in the bathtub.

A good example of this is the universal praise and pats on the back that they are receiving for choosing not to include loadouts. Loadouts shouldn't even be a fucking topic of conversation, but they've fucked up so many things and set our expectations so low that when they say "hey guys, no loadouts!" we're all like "OH WOW!!! OMG you guys are AWESOME!!! THANK YOU!!!".

Secondly, by making a class-based Quake game, it allows us to feel like they're not going to (or trying to) overwrite classic Quake deathmatch gameplay, but diverging from it instead, so that whatever happens, we can tell ourselves that QL is the safety net that we can fall back on.

I think what you understand as class based is maybe integrated in qc at 10% which would mean that clases wont decide anything but maybe gives you personal bias,at best. Ggwp rerererere

I like Quake champions because it speaks to casuals without completely selling out the Quake franchise. I think after the billionth Quake clones most Quakers understand that the era of vanilla Quake is over and we need a compromise

lol thats the point

You mean all those games that have/had no development budget and had even less resources to advertise? Yeah, can't imagine why any of them failed.

Yes I'm well aware some games that are huge initially started out literally as one guy in his basement, but that's not the norm no matter what genre we're talking about.

hello Timm Willits

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lets hope so, by goodness! :} most are talkin like that the worst case is finally finished and rdy to release...

I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed Anarki will have faster movement in exchange for less HP / Armor.

Yep, but every champ will have same guns, so destroying anarki wont be a problem.

True but gotta admit the whole anarki having that movement is exceedingly full retard.

You're asking the wrong person that. Don't know if he's a moba fanboy or just an id fanboy, but he's fully onboard with whatever retarded shit they do to Quake. He'd probably soil himself if id announced QC will also have crafting.

IT'S NOT CLASSES, THERE'S NO LOADOUTS!!11 :|

And the Anarki thing, seeing as it's his ability, I would expect the controls of the movement be simplified so every newb can use it. I'd be surprised if they expected people to bunnyhop normally with strafe keys.

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Oh, I understand it quite well. But it's a blast watching you larpers get all salty over someone referring to these abilities as classes. Got you so riled up you had to reply to a post that had literally nothing to do with you. Don't magic me bro.

gg, baiting people with disinformation, such greatness.

Don't go getting your battle robe all ruffled. Just having a bit of fun.

That being said, whether they are classes or not, in the context of Quake, they're going to do the same thing. Do you think someone would play flag D with Anarki? Or someone would be a flag runner with that big (slow?) guy with the shield? Seems to me there are going to be characters that are preferred to others by players when playing certain roles/positions.

As far as duel goes, look at this Quakecon. How many times did rapha/evil chase the other at the last second and get a frag to go into [another] OT? In QC all someone has to do is play with the character that has the personal tele and make sure it's ready and they just tele away. Damn, so deep, such complexity. Someone saving their magic ability up all match so they can use it in the last seconds if needed.

... that's to be seen, how he will integrate with the rest of the champs, but every1 will have some kind of "advantage" so i wouldn't worry to much, like our friend function, who actually plays smite and doesnt call it a moba.

if there are changes to speed/hp, this is the end for me.
One small passive and one momentarily active ability with not too much influence, thats probably still ok, more than that is just too much ... these classes blur out all the skill difference in the players, they can make excuses, for example that a class is not good enough for this or that, etc., if everyone has the same class, you get instant feedback if you are shit or not :-) ...
just watch tennis or chess, everyone has the same class, but there are aggressive players and defensive players, different play styles, even if you have the same class, there is still enough room left for your own interpretation :-)

From QL > Diabotical ** FIXED

I will probably play it for a little bit and realize that I could be having more fun playing QL and go back to QL for playing duels.

Its probably going to be a lot better for playing FFA in QC than in a 20-man server on some tiny map like in QL.

Not if the servers will be community spawnable. The same people that now spawns 20 people ffa matches will do the same in QC. Probably even more, because of the bigger, more casual playerbase.

Many casuals seem to think that the more chaotic a game is, the more "arena" it is.

Q4 didn't have a chance whatsoever of converting everyone.

multiplayer was buggy and there werent any good maps,
plus the rusty texture look was not too attractive to the eye

class based Quake ........RIP


still making semi pro money in CSGO

It looks like that is not entirely true:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/05/quakec...-champions


quote:

Quake Champions Is Not A Hero Shooter


I know, it sure seems like one, but it isn't. While there are separate characters, and each of them does have one unique ability at their disposal, they're just minor wrinkles in otherwise near-identical shells. Willits used the word "additive" to describe the character abilities, stating clearly that matchups and team comps aren't what determine outcomes, player skill is.

QL still alive not only by love, many players still playing Quake, because their hardware too weak for new games. Third reason it's a old habit to play Quake - Clan Arena most populated mod, where you don't need brains to play, it's only game mechanics, shooting and nothing more almost.

QC has great competition with more user friendly Lawbreakers and Overwatch. At least, it's must be pretty interesting, how will support of new game by gamers, id Software/Bethesda and e-Sports organisations.

hardware too weak in 2016/2017?
it will certainly need hardware comparable too the latest doom game. and those hardware is around since 2012/2011 to play it on high fps.

But most of us quakers have become too accustomed to high refresh/low lag.

So it's not enough to run a game at 60 fps. You need at least 120+ or so. And there will be fps drops in busy situations, etc. Even if the engine is good, it will be a current generation game. The minority of players will be able to play with framerate in the hundreds like it's now the standard in ql.

One thing is being able to run it, another is to be able to run it fast and smooth

"hardware too weak in 2016/2017?"

Personally, I like MP of new DooM and still playing it, I really wanna try SnapMap in co-op e t.c. But only that I heard from my friends quakers was: "No, dude, my PC is too old for it"...

I can't see how Quake Champions can increas interest to series as game for newcomers, but it's another story.

closed beta in 2017, final release in 2017 last months/begin 2018, doom needs a 2013-14 pc to run at high fps, i dont think 120fps will be a big problem at that time.

To put things into perspective, Overwatch has light graphics and its engine isn't particularly demanding; yet most pro players, not random casuals, runs it around 150 fps.
With modern hardware. We don't know the specifics QC will have, but it will be much heavyer than OW to run, judging already from the pre alpha footage.

For the vast majority of players, running it at 200 fps will be a pipe dream

Same engine of doom, i dont think qc will be so different (vulkan support is usefull on low/mid-spec pc)

Nope, Tim Willits said in an interview that the game does not use id tech 6, it uses some other engine created together with saber interactive.

By the time it's out the Nvidia Vulkan Asyncronous Compute issues should have been sorted out, and anything that is capable of actually using that should run it at better than current DOOM frame rates I'd expect.
Similarly AMD cards with Async Compute get a real kick out of Vulkan.

As I see it they want it to be a a pro esport, to replace QL as much as possible, maybe even to compete with the userbase of Overwatch if possile, so they're not going to be bogging it down with so much graphical bloat it's going to perform worse than DOOM.

lets hope, today's game in general are too heavy for what they do

There is a link somewhere, saying since qc isnt idtech6, vulcan integretaion isnt as forthcoming as we wish. But they are trying with the integration.

i know ppl who still run xp on old af rigs

I'm guility of this.

yea, thats their own fault then.

I've currently got a GTX 750ti which only runs doom4 when I cut down the config quite a lot.

I'll be waiting until next year to buy a GTX 1080 or something similar, hopefully the prices will start dropping next year because at the moment they are ridiculous in Australia. But it's not stopping me right now from playing newer games, I played Doom4 SP and had a lot of fun, but it's not a continual game that I play like QL. I only play QL with some league of legends mixed in, so I don't need anything above the GTX 750ti right now until something new comes out like Quake Champions.

Australian prices are overpowered:

1200-1300 for a 1080
750-800 for a 1070
400-500 for a 1060

I shudder to think of the price for the new titan.

You've got a point, but i'm afraid you're way overestimating how QC will look and its hardware requirements.

Frankly saying, from what we saw, the graphics in QC (apart of nobody actually giving a fuck) is gonna be mediocre AT BEST. It really looks like a a DLC for QL, which just got bigger as time gone by. It happens often, when the small add-on from some point grow into an independant title.

"Frankly saying, from what we saw, the graphics in QC (apart of nobody actually giving a fuck) is gonna be mediocre AT BEST."

Good news for everyone!

Look at the official gameplay trailer, man. Compare with any modern AAA-FPS.

I'm not saying its horseshit. But it's not gonna be the pinnacle of technology, some real step forward in terms of visual.

And GODBLESS. For the very good reason you've stated abobe - the esport game with too good look is gonna be with modest fps at best for the majority of gamers.

if it is good it will "convert" the vast majority of players like all previous quakes did, apart from q4, which simple wasn't good. If you had pld semi-seriously any of the previous quakes, the chance of converting to q4, was just not there.

If u started with q4 and it was your first love, it is absolutely normal to feel that it was just as good as the previous ones, if not much better. But it wasn't.

I've already bought new mousepad so I'm getting it serious! Can't wait to see hordes of noobs being decimated with Railgun and LG. Awww that will be sweet.

god of war sanchez will upgrade to QL

I don't know if it will work well in duel, but it might lead to some reasonably big team tournaments.

My best guess is that people like evil, rapha etc keep playing QL duel but join QC tournaments for fun/money.

Quake without duels isn't Quake at all. I think people from id Software know it.

Don't overestimate what id software knows.. they are very disconected from the quake scene. Quake was always about user mods / very unpolised from day 1.

you got it buddy

You can still play ql

I will switch if I can get stable 120+ fps and raw input.

If rapha and evil doesn't switch to QC I am going to cry.

I will play QC and I need to look at how they play QC and pretend that one day I will be able to play like that.

QC will be ruled by different players.

Do you think that, if Quake Champions has a similar entrance to what Quake 4 did (better graphics, updated gameplay elements, but less polished) that the QL player base will be hesitant to convert and bash the game like q3 players did with Q4?

Of course, and rightfully so.

Don't worry though, it's not 2005 anymore, so even if most of us dislike QC, bash it and won't play it, it will have little to no impact on the game's commercial success, the praising reviews made by clueless journalists, the enthusiastic videos made by 1300 elo hardcore gamers, the happy teens on Steam, etc.

Fuck QL, bring on chimpions.

I am talking it.

*Eats a donut*

ppl dont have time to learn something new, i think they'll just stick with ql mostly

the 3 players ql have could stay in ql, it would not affect anything

I think it's pretty simple. For people to stick to QL, QC has to be really bad. That's q4 at release type of bad (lacking features, and some kind of performance problem). If the game runs smooth and has decent support for the kind of thing we want, everyone will just switch. Add the fact they already announced support from bethesda, this could be a really big awakening for Quake. I see Diabotical as a good alternative, if QC fails, but at the minute, I think QC has good changes to be good.

only thing that scares me is id's ability to balance the different champions

edit:
and of course to make the game newbie friendly, and to still have a high skill cap.
and matchmaking, and..:)

But as always, hoping for the best and they have my outmost support:)

Yeah, balance is going to be the hard part. I have some faith in them... a bit mild maybe, but enough to be curious about it.

they could fuck it really bad with the monetization system tho but I agree with you

I dont see how better graphics (that is, if you find QL graphics bad for a comp game, and you like shity effects everywhere) and MOBA champions would make QL better. So how exactly in your book is QC supposed to be at least as good?

The real question is do you ever wondered why id developing Q:C right now?

Let me give you a hint :
$$$

That's right. Cashing on a solvable trend. I'm talking about the name Quake.

I still remember how Far Cry 2 turned out. From a domain name and a game made by Crytek to a shity mainstream puke which had absoluty no connection with the original one, made by UBISOFT aka UBERSHIT.

You think its not gonna be like that cuz its gonna be made by id? Then you probably one of thoose liking shity stuff like wolfenstein version YXZ.

I don't like stripes on sweaters, onion necklesses,the beret, or +back frogs. Not to strereo type.

we are getting the best arena shooter next year.

nothing else will be able to compete.
compared to quake, the new UT is getting ruined by epic after each update. they dont care at all about their game, they dont ask pros about their opinion - no nothing for the community.

if QC fails i'll play either overwatch only or reflex only.

Diabetical!

reflex > overcrap

I don't believe the switch will be a problem. There will be tons of fresh meat playing. The game plays like quake though I'm sure it will have many differences. As long as they stick to the formula we will have a new duel game to worship. Of course it's not going to be quake 3 or qw. But it's time to give quake a chance to breath again.

It will be easy for me to make the switch and ill likely still play ql, q2, cod, and doom on the side. Good shit.

At least, it's better try to do something new in Quake series than reanimation of dead games(Q3:A QL).

It's pretty simple: as long as the promotion campaign is done worldwide and massively enough (like nice commercials on the bigger TV channels and on the web), then tournaments will pick it up and everyone will basically be 'forced' to play it.

Ofcourse it's not a guarantee that the bigger tournaments will pick it up, but that's where iD and Bethesda can make a difference themselfs, by pumping in money in these tournaments (like Valve does).

Nice to see that you're +back B)

I just hope it has awesome input like QW/Q3/QL .... everything else feels like floaty or clunky shit in comparison.

As long as QC is half decent I imagine QL will be a ghost town. Especially once diabotical comes out. Between those two games I don't see many people spending any time on QL unless both of them suck giant donkey penis.

i dont get why diabotical is getting "such" a hype here.

it looks like overwatch with balls shooting each other. (wtf?)
it has strafejumping, like warsow and quake had long time before, what for do we need another game like that?

diabotical will be another dead game like reflex.
nobody will care at all about it.

why you have to be that guy?

the ironic thing though, is that diabotical gameplay will be more like quake than qc

ssshd, not out loud such points :p

We know full well what fate probably awaits any Quake clone. It's not a reason to lose hope.

I reckon he is more of the pesimistic type of personality.

All of what you said may be true, but it still will probably take quite a few players away from QL. At least those who don't like QC but still want something new to play. You're being quite unreasonable if you think diabotical will be as dead as warsow or reflex. Two completely different worlds in terms of the backing it will have. That being said: QC, QL, and diabotical will all probably be 'dead' when comparing them to other games...but we will continue to play them.

I don't see people dropping QL after 17 years of pretty much the same game. same for QW.

some will switch to QC, some will play both, some will ignore anything new.

Of course i switch to QChampions !

It is tonns of new content, fun, tournaments etc

but lack of duel, 30fps and high ping and i back to QL :D

I need to try it to choose.

If it would be as responsive and smooth as ql I'm gonna switch in spite of so-so design, especially characters and weapons (for now), but I do hope that it's gonna be better.