- Anarki has qw style air control, and active ability of health injection
- Ranger has q3 style movement.
- Game is supposed to be a quake1-themed quake 3 with addition of champions
- Originaly they meant to implement champions in ql expansion, but later decided to make a completely new game
- Game mode that was played on Qcon is called "sacrifice". Its tdm with 2 control points on the map which give you bonus score for each frag you make while you control em.
- Game modes will have objectives, but they won't be a huge focus as quake is about frags.
- Physics part of the game is idtech and renderer is saber

- Game mode that was played on Qcon is called "sacrifice". Its tdm with 2 control points on the map which give you bonus score for each frag you make while you control em.
- Game modes will have objectives, but they won't be a huge focus as quake is about frags.

This sounds pretty fun actually, but it doesn' seem as "tense" as other objectives in other games.

So if they don't use idtech for rendering, then why don't they use a popular engine like Source what is superfast even on potatoes and what gets updates all the times because millions are using it?

Here are the games made with Saber (probably its previous versions):
2003 - Will Rock (Ubisoft)
2007 - TimeShift (Sierra)
2011 - Battle: Los Angeles (Konami)
2011 - Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary (Microsoft)
2012 - Inversion (Bandai Namco)
2013 - God Mode (Atlus)
2013 - R.I.P.D. The Game (Atlus)
2014 - Halo: The Master Chief Collection (Microsoft)
2015 - Halo Online (Innova Systems)

If they don't use idtech6 then it doesnt mean they don't use any idtech at all.
Source engine? id software making game not on own engine? :)

Yes, Saber is not their engine.

you forgot their super succesful titles:

.) Super Times Pay
.) Wheel Of Fortune Triple Extreme! Spin
.) Double Diamond
.) Triple Diamond
.) Pharaohs Fortune

So they gonna rob us and id software?

or you can play the quake champions beta exclusively in the MGM Grand :-)

As I wrote further down, the games to note are the halo remasters, which use the old engine with a new renderer. By the sound of what willits was saying, they built off of quake live/id tech 3 with a new renderer. It might have originally been their intention to make quake live prettier and still maintain the base game and all functionality, including being able to toggle to old graphics like the halo game could. That probably changed when they put more resources into making the game and it now has totally new maps, characters, and weapons

I understand. What I don't understand is the Saber part.

What is there not to get? They wanted to do the same thing with QL that saber did with halo so they hired them

This is "not to get": Will Saber's stuff
- run well on a potato?
- will it have community mods like ENB, etc
- will the graphic card industry testes and optimizes for it (e.g.: AO in nvidia control panel, ansel. stereo, vr, etc)
- will it make me sad because it won't support custom resolutions and refresh rates, one frame prerender only, proper gamma, etc?

Except the source engine feels like shit, especially in fast paced multiplayer environments.

How does a renderer "feels like shit"? The control and game specific stuff is probably code by id and running in a different thread. We are talking about the part of the engine which draws things onto your monitor.
Source 2 is free to use (afaik) as long as you also release your game on steam, and looking at dota2, it scales very well on all kind of hardware.

Cutie

you're way cuter than me bby

Where do you get

- Originaly they meant to implement champions in ql expansion, but later decided to make a completely new game

from?

It's not really in the post....

“So a while ago, the Quake Live team was looking at expanding Quake Live,”

Watch the video

Thx 4 summarY

i hate anarki

mmph mMMPHHH!!

remember all thoose same idiots always happy about what id does telling us it would use idtech 6 even tho we told them it won't?

‘This is Quake, we like it, go!’

bad news everyone

Still doesn't make any sense, wth is wrong with idtech6 renderer? Doom is absolutely gorgeous. They are feeding us shat for some reason.

I'm wondering why too, Doom looks amazing and it runs very well on most newer systems

That's because they started Quake before idtech 6 was done. So they decided to use another renderer to get development going. It's all there in the article.

Bah....except they are working on qc for 4-5 years now

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Your keyboard seems to be broken.

Shit quoting out of protest at the dumb cunt

Team Arena and Quake Wars. The other two times they tried to do something different with the Quake name and it failed.

Calling ET: Quake Wars something that is using the quake name is a serious stretch. It at most follows the single player experience of Q4, nothing more.

I agree. I personally never thought of Quake Wars as really being part of the franchise. But id was behind it, I imagine they were thinking it was going to be the next [big] Quake title. I wonder if Quake Live would've seen the light of day had Quake Wars did something other than flop hard.

So, they basically asked some Halo devs what they'd do to Quake and ran with it. Sounds about right.

Yeah, it doesn't sound optimistic :<

What's wrong with Halo?

ayyyy lmao

Obligatory

pls dont steal my img1s theneks

I'll make sure to apply the nsx0r© watermark next time

Lol and you idiots thought this would be a decent title. gg.

- Anarki has qw style air control
- Ranger has q3 style movement

LOL

the rest have 'hold shift sprint button' :S

Makes you think what the game's gonna be when they can't get such things right.

Anarki has a hoverboard -> air control?

Jeez you people...

its realistic :D

But Ranger is the OG. Shouldn't he have the qw style movment?

They'd have to do something like model little jets on a belt to justify air control. Because with greater fidelity, games need to have internal logic or they're goofy as fuck.

The problem with belt jets (or similar) is that even with little colour flares, you won't immediately recognise the silhouette in the same immediately obvious way Anarki's hover board would. It makes sense a guy with a hover board would move differently, so new users will pick up on that faster.

And with different heroes champions having different abilities, you *need* to have instantly recognisable character shapes etc.


Reflex for example, would be a much more coherent game if the bots had little turning flares on their backs. Otherwise they just break physics because of reasons ¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯

... some people rly need time to acknowledge the difference between characters the game will bring, no need to re-read the title.

Why so pessimistic, we had good feedbacks from people that played it, try to be a little bit more positive

Oh cool. Where's the feedback? Was it on Esr or a maybe a Twitch stream?

Ask the australian

Torture the collaborator!

Yeah and we all know how gr8 Shootmania became to be after Strenx endorsed it!

In all seriousness, I've yet to see a game where someone came back from invitational testing and said "guys this game is full of shit let's wait for something else". So I don't care so much about it, to be honest.

has anybody here ever seen a vagina in person?

Thats more like a person in vagina

That's assuming it's a costume.

or he got stuck in one of those doors from prey

i wonder how unbalanced QC will be.....

Duel with different Champions is almost impossible to balance but it looks like it fits the usual casual shit nowadays. WFrom what I've read so far duel is not in focus of the developers anyway.

hf ow clone

go bethsteda do your best and work hard for it to ruin the spirit of quake !!!!!


do not disappoint us

THE GUNS HAVE RECOIL

if it's not random, I like recoil. adds even more skill to quake.
I don't see any problems about unbalanced, owerpowered chars, we all gonna pick it and play it, like there was no champions.

You cry, you whine. bitches pleaaaaaaaase....

Everything about champs you can patch-up. We have to worry smoothness of game. stable fps, no crashes every 2 mins.

You cry about anarki.. 15min job for patchers and he have 1/2 less aircontrol and less speed. If bethseda want this game to be esport title, then they gonna listen for community a little bit atleast...

1. smoothness
2. support for Lan tournaments.
3. Matchmaking
4. Microtransactions
5. Atleast playable after release (not like Q4).
and so on..
You are whining about Anarki's aircontrol and skin...

go play your fucking ztn for another 15 years in 15 year old game.

I like recoil. adds even more skill to quake

The power of Christ compels you, dude.

Everything about champs you can patch-up

LUL

they gonna listen for community

8===D

I guess they won't do anything better than 15 year old game.
AWWW DAYUM!

you are whining about people giving their opinions.

shut the FUCK up. You can add any stupid shit to a game to add skill. HEY. WHY NOT MAKE THE ENEMIES THE SIZE OF A PIXEL? THAT'S BETTER CUZ IT TAKES MORE SKILL TO HIT. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Fuck you, idiot. You're just another shitty duel player who can't aim. That's why you like recoil. Skills need to be checked by FUN. It's not fucking fun to have hitboxes the size of a pixel. IT'S NOT FUCKING FUN TO HAVE TO FUCK AROUND WITH RECOIL.

Shut up you spastic.

cocksucker , if I was bad aimer , why would I won't to make it more complicated to aim for me? some years ago, noctis and some other players asked for LG delay , like trueligthining 0 on 100 ms. it's close to recoil.
cocksucker I had one of the best LG's in duel scene in my peak 2010-2012, I don't cry about aim. Q2, don't have option to disable fall damage sceen bobroll..
pussylicker, get some skill, then comment.

Online lg percentage :)

Edit: not being serious

Hehe, Serious.

cocksucker

pussylicker

somebody's definitly got a thing about oral pleasures.

Nah, just rewatched sopranos few days ago.

i wonder what the downside of Anarki is ... i mean aircontrol + health injection sounds pretty lethal compared to a ranger with q3 movment and a teleporter?

75 health and 25 armor cap, but he gets +1 hp whenever he uses his ability

blame noctis

What makes me worried is that even with lower hp anarki will be a lot harder target to hit --> unbalanced. I guess it's possible to balance that, but... yeah.. id. :)

Gonna just repeat it here:

I have a strange suspicion that using saber instead of id tech6 could be somehow connected with the story of how QC seen the light. First it was planned to be only Quakelive 2.0 and maybe they hired a side company because ID werent interested themself much in the project. But after huge success of Doom 4 they suddenly changed their mind and decided to make a next big tittle out of it. So, having huge part of engine already done by saber they have to keep it, why waste all the money invested.

Idtech 6 was not even done when they started making the game, the engine could most likely be id tech 3 with updated render since the game did start as a quake live update

iam hyped.

and iam not surprised that 80% of the old quake players cant get into new things :D.
forever on QW,Q3,QL etc. GG?

I think it's more like "can't get into shitty versions of old concepts".

cos the renderer is top secret nvidia code for vulkan and they aint letting no one else look at it

So i guess forceenemymodel won't be as usefull

enemycolor can work, but forcing models should be a chaos

Saber did the halo remasters, which use the old engine with a new renderer. Since Willits is saying they started before id tech 6 was done, I'm wondering if they approached saber to do the same to quake 3. In the halo remasters you can even toggle between new and old graphics with a button. I wonder if they're going to use that tech to make a high visibility/performance mode for competitive play.

tim willits is a lizard person

"We want to make sure we give people what they want," said Willits. "If you create custom game mode, you should be able to set the game up the way you want. If you need to turn off Champions, we'll let you turn off Champions. That won't be a problem."

so where is his birth certificate?

Sorlag is tim willits? ohhhh now everything starts to make sense!

This is not a moba

Ship of Theseus, Gamedev Edition: If every person that made your software company great in its early days leaves and is replaced by someone else, is it still the same company?

Great honor for QuakeCon. I hope it holds on to that record forever.

imo I think it's great that idtech6 won't be a rendering engine. It probably means that the sys reqs needed to run the game at high fps will be much lower. After all, they're making an esports title. Forcing everyone to upgrade to newest hardware wouldn't be that good imo.

My 2013 gen hardware runs Doom at stable 200+ FPS at sensible (to a picmip 0 Quaker) details (obvious stuff like no bobbing/rolling/flares/shit, but geometry deails on ultra). That Vulkan renderer is pretty epic.

Of course, if you're on a laptop or a computer from 2008 and too poor to upgrade to something from this decade... ok

I upgraded in May, no worries.

I will wait for QC beta and will buy PC , now using notebook for 5 years. looking forward for price drop for ~1070gtx and will buy some used pc from ebay..

I think you won't get 1070 for cheaper than ~600e that it is now for at least a year.

ebay is full for 400e..

the ones that are 450-ish are all from US, so hf with the customs :)

my bad, u r right.

zotac 1070 - mindfactory.de - 460€ with tax

Don't care about idtech. Care about the fact the game is going to be a steaming pile of shit. Why must every fucking game made these days be a more advanced version of rock paper scissors?

Some of us prefer real challenges. I hope id software's studios blow up while no one is in them,

maybe idsoftware wants to survive in this volatile entertainment industry? nobody wants to play another quake3/warsow/reflex, its too difficult for the average joe ;)

Or it could be no one even knows about those titles? There are still people out there that don't know Quake Live is a game.

I believe QL was never properly advertised as it was more of an experiment to see if browsergames could be a thing. It was never meant to be a fully fledged successful triple A game.

Exactly. The "average joe" probably hasn't even heard of Quake or these quake style games to even judge if they like them or not. Saying a gameplay is dead and using games that've had next to no exposure as proof is kind of silly.

wat. why do you think warsow is dead and reflex is probably heading the same way? not to take anything away from the devs of those games because they really are well made... heck, even the non quake based arena shooters arent doing all that great. all these games are available on steam fairly cheap.
the high skill ceiling is offputting to average players. blizzard done it right with overwatch; simplistic yet fun and incorporating elements of dota which for some reason is the flavour year (or decade practically)
the pure arena shooters are a thing of the past. back when all people needed was their own motivation to get better.
so its expected that idsoft is going for a hero based arena shooter, basically mixing quake and overwatch in to 1. i dont see any other way the arena genre will get any attention.
i just hope theyre not gonna deliver a quake 4 that needs 6 months to get patched up...

Oh boy, didn't think anything I wrote was complicated. Do you not understand that in order to attract people to a game/movie/whatever you have to make it known that it exists in the first place? All these quake clones have had zero advertising/exposure. Of course these games are dead, NO ONE KNOWS THEY EXIST.

Just because something is on steam, big whoop. I mean sure it's good, but you're telling me you know every single game on there? I know I don't, and I'm sure most people don't either.

So again, you're using games that have had no advertising as proof that a genre is dead. That's like saying, "well this music genre is dead because no one listens to my next-door neighbor's garage band that only 20 people know exists."

ok.

Not really sure what the deal is with the "internet tough guy" persona on display in nearly all of your posts. We haven't forgotten that years ago, you used to ragequit on NA clan area servers when your team was losing (before rage-quitting the game entirely, but not ESR apparently). It's really unbecoming and not a good look at all. Despite what you might think, you've never been a community insider and no one has ever taken your opinion on here or on the old QL forums seriously at all. Drop the badass act, please.

lmao. I ragequit? lmao. I was one of a few who did not give a fuck about what the outcome of a CA match was. I would fuck around with GL long before I quit. And I had damn near 100% completion in all my matches.

Talk about internet tough guy, shit talking anonymously. Must be one of those CA pros that I ticked off back in the day.

I can't imagine that implementing new features and fixing stuff is going to be easy for the developers considering that they're employed by a huge corporation. You can't just go adding features and fixing things without being given clearance to do so; what if the shareholders think that the ROI on doing those things is too low?

quake3/warsow/reflex, its too difficult for the average joe

Not this shit again.

Quake 3 is as easy as it gets. Grab a gun, shoot people. Any rts is rocket science compared to that.
You dont have to study or learn anything to understand quake's principles, you can launch the game and enjoy.
Mechanics like strafe/circle jumping or timing dont prevent anyone from having fun, they only exist to motivate and keep people around for a long time.
This retarded "Quake's too hard" myth only exist due to QL, the most unwelcoming and noob-unfriendly game ever. Just imagine CS:Go lacking its social features, matchmaking and tutorials; it would end up exactly like ql.

...except that people have a natural preference for realistic looking shooters like csgo, theyll play that shit anyway (plus custom servers help). sure everyone can play any game they want at whatever skill level theyre at, but that doesnt change that the bone stock arena fps is often too fast and too simplistic to keep ppl playing it. they want silly skills and flashy colors, and preferably a Hanzo type of character that one shots ppl with lucky arrows ;P

So if Anarki is going to have QW style movement and Ranger Q3 style movement, is there going to be Kane with crouchslides? :'D

Orb

I hope so

When loadouts came to QL everyone just carried on playing classic modes unless they chose to use some new mod.

Quake Champions in my opinion the same thing will happen, everyone plays classic modes but with far more variety of game types to choose from if you so wish.

What's not to like, game will be good.

/me looks for noctis for back-up :p

Yeah that sounds very unlikely...
Unless with "everyone" you mean the same old 500 ppl in QL, then sure but nobody will care what they do, the majority of the hopefully thousands of players will play with champions since those are gonna be the ranked modes.

Just try the game once it is ready before jumping on a hate bandwagon.

Sorry guy, every single game I've ever played with specific characters is just one big advanced game of rock paper scissors. Some are better than others, but ultimately I wind up annoyed that playing fields are never completely level.

You want to add to the game? Try thinking outside the box. Fucking with inputs isn't the proper way to add depth to an already super deep game.

They SHOULD have thought about the engine itself, dynamic levels - different kind of switches that do different things on a map which can impact gameplay but do not change the basics of the game itself. This would been far more interesting.

Imagine buttons that can completely morph a map into something different... or maps with more destructible elements and better object physics (while player physics remain untouched). Running water physics... etc. Cool shit could be done that would not actually drastically alter core gameplay, but instead introduce new external variables to something already well established without fucking with balance (it's a level playing field for both at the start, not rock paper fucking scissors which every low IQ pleb loves because they have a chance to win... compared to chess).

They just went generic and I'm sure it will fail. Also a big negative is the game looks like shit. The style they are going for isn't Q1 or Q3, it's dark and fucking ugly and hard to see. Q1 was dark, but because the game was simple graphically seeing wasn't such a big problem. Now we're gonna cum all over your screen with shitty particle effects and other garbage...

Diabotical looks so far superior words do not even describe. Yeah, the visual style isn't for eveyone - but it's clear as day the visuals. Clean lines, easy to see characters and a much more generic look that will appeal to more people than dark/evil whatever look they're going for in this game. It's got an overwatch kind of visual feel, which is actually not a bad thing as that game is pretty clean visually as well.

It will also be far easier to offer custom skins and shit having only one main character model in Diab.

You mean they should remake q2?
Switches that can impact maps/gameplay was already in there.
It was also re-introduced in QL.... So I would guess that QC would also have similar stuff (actually the totems stuff seems to imply 'in game world objectives' that 'influence gameplay'.

As for the rest of the post I think that a lot is still unknown.
I do like you bashing on noctis though... that is something that I would do as well :D

Go right ahead then, after all i am already the scapegoat for anything id does in regards to Quake.

Well I would first have to know (or be able to accurately guess) which decisions you influenced in which ways....
Atm I have no way of telling that in respects to QC so you're safe for now ;)

As for being the scapegoat for anything that id does in regards to Quake... I remember bringing up a few items in the QL test that were not enthusiastically received by (among others but mainly) you and SyncError. Which imho could've made QL a much more successful esports title.

I'm not scape goating anyone. I honestly have no idea your involvement in the development - I don't know the story behind your involvement nor do I care.

It's far too late for my complaints anyway. Going to be playing Diabotical. Won't be playing this. Honestly, thinking about it - not sure why it's worth complaining. Maybe the people at id will start listening, but I doubt it. Shareholders > players. And the masses have been dumbed down massively - expecting success at everything they do. FFS they don't even fail kids at school anymore where I live.

Good luck in your life regardless the game. It's just a game but it feels like a reflection on the decline of society.

That was childs play compared to the kind of level morphing I imagine. I mean we're, what, 18 years in the future here? There's very little they have done to make this a big thing. Levels that morph on timers etc.

There are many more ways they can innovate the game without just adding classes like every other piece of shit released today.

I guess that they are hesitant to do large level influences since the first FPS game which wanted to do so failed miserably. (Red Faction)

It did? I played it at a friend's house back then. Destroying stuff, hiding in holes, opening new paths... it was fun.

it was pretty well received back then by the critics but it had very very few actual players.

Yes that's exactly what i meant by 'everyone' i.e. everyone on here full of negativity before even playing it )

Maybe you missed the positive outlook of my post due to my typo, which is now corrected.

I understood it as "everyone will just play without champions" hence your positive outlook. :)