Fatal1ty would get smashed by any dueller over 1400 elo. Would like to know the scores of the matches.

That'd probably be true if it weren't for the fact people are still largely playing the same maps they were 15 years ago. Not like Fatal1ty wouldn't know how to play ztn.

Still you have to take into account that pro level play back in his days was a lot lower and then add rust to it. I pretty sure 1600-1700 players nowdays would beat fatal1ty

difference is those 1600-1700 elo players will stay there and fat would eventually be top 10; partly because he knows the duel game mode bout as well as you can know it, and partly because he would have top tier practice partners.

I don't know if he'd be top10, but he'd be high. I was talking about his performance atm, cos I saw him str quake an he was mediocre

Once you really understand quake there's no real need to lose to people < 1900 elo tbh.
Fata does really understand the core mechanics behind quake and he's willing to (ab)use them a lot more than most pro's will do, which is a very useful trade if you want to win matches.

If you've actually seen him play quake live on his stream he has pretty terrible aim and movement. The only way he beats people on ffa is because he times the items (which is important ofc) and spams alot. The thing I dont get is how bad he is when he was the best for a time or at least up there. I've seen so many players come back after years and they are pretty much where they left off except for bad aim, even then after several games they are back to their skill. Having said that Fat could probably get top level if he was serious about duel but from what I can see he's not good at all.

FFA is not about aim and movement at all tbh.

Up till 1900 elo aim and movement don't really matter too much in quake duel either. (they do matter more there than in FFA though)

Ive won/nearly won ffa comps simply by camping lg, no timing or anything. Winning any pub ffa is simple by doing that. Running around the map increases the chance of dying when people are everything so better to control weapons tbh. Don't know what you're talking about.

sad story.

The running around the map which increases chances of dying is the only part which makes sense to me. However if you're up against actually decent FFA players you won't get away with camping the LG.
I guess that Yakumo is still around as well as Bunnye (or something like that) they probably do still hold actually valid tactics in regard when dealing with FFA.

Maybe in Australia people haven't played FFA with a competitive mindset as much...
I know that back in the old days (around 2000 (damn....)) when there were only a few servers that kept records and had leaderboards etc. (similar to what qlranks did). It kinda spawned the competitive FFA on those servers. Back then it was even important who you were aiming at and which millisecond the items would spawn etc ;)
Nowadays aim does play a slightly more important role, but the way of playing hasn't changed too much tbh, except that the overall quality has dropped.

Don't get me wrong, it's predictable as fuck but it doesn't really matter when people constantly spawn in front of you and you mow down their stackless and weaponless bodies. You'd need a server of the absolute best ffa players but even then some dont know how to survive spawning in front of you. On top of this I try and time some items but mainly the armour/mh nearest to the lg room like on dm6 I'd be constantly grabbing yellow and denyimg people GLing on me while also dropping into lg room to fight cunts. But yeah I've only played ffa on aussie servers so idk.

When someone is in control of an area for a while and you spawn there you basically should try 2 things.
1) deal as much damage as possible to him.
2) try to get fragged by someone else. (at least I often assumed that the guy controlling something would be fairly high up on the scoreboard. After a few rounds, with the same opponents, you kinda know who the main competitors are and you can check the nickname to know if you should die easy vs him or die hard :p)

It's usually not a good thing to 'stay alive' in those cases. You just make sure that the good players lose influence over that area in exchange for the frag on you.
Then when you spawn somewhere else and you get a gun fairly cleanly you can start making a plan as to how to destroy the guy who is camping a spot (assuming again that the guy is successful at doing so and thus is winning a lot of games).

Depending on the numbers and quality of the players those plans could look very different.

Basically this.

Imo positioning with the suitable weapon(s) is the most important thing in FFA - and choosing the right target at all times. And powerups ofc.

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Tim Willits was the idiot who disrupted the quakecon award ceremony before k1llsen got his money. And now its all about respect for great quake players? pls.

Cause he wanted to cut to an exhibition of Quake Champions? Which, I think, k1llsen won. I don't think he cared...

The exhibition match was 5v5. One game of Sacrifice (new game mode) and one of TDM.

Teams were Noctis, myself, Zero4, Carnage, and Rapha vs Evil, K1llsen, Draqu, Fatal1ty, and Psygib.

Our team won both matches so no, K1llsen didn't win :p

Dunno where I got that impression from then. What about my other claims? Exhibition after QL grand finals. K1llsen didn't care about not being called out to receive oversized check.

LOL mentions Fatal1ty but not Rapha that was there playing, you know the fucking champion himself.

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Because no-one knows who the fuck Rapha is while Fatal1ty has his own brand etc. And it's called Quake Champions not Quakelive Champions.

btw Evil said that QC has quite noticeable mouse input lag

The build we played was pre-alpha and didn't have any mouse options other than sensitivity. Safe to say they haven't implemented all the mouse input stuff yet. Seeing as how QL has arguably the best mouse input and customization options out there, I wouldn't worry about QC not having the same.

fatal1ty is testing the game to make sure it is going to noob friendly

that is still good that they think of noobs

my son will enjoy it

dizzle jr will be fraggin like a lil scrub against the other scrubs fo sho

this game is gonna be the best

No.

what why?

kids are the new generation aka the future

Not mine.


What I need is the original, ultimate hardcore and unforgiving arena gameplay which shits bricks on the forehead of noobs.


Or another 40 years of QL support and playerbase, really.

i agree true but we need some new kids

i play ql until i hit tha blunt that last time

One of the guys said one of the Champions actually moved too fast. That was also surprising.

Hm-mm... Nobody even comes to mind!

No disrespect but who wrote that article? DraQu is not and was not one of the

"arguably the best Quake players in the world"

Such professionalism at Bethesda.

He's "best" DOOM player. I think that's why he was invited.

*speedrunner

he is pretty good in reflex/cpm

ye but we all know being good at cpm and reflex doesn't exactly mean you're a "top talent." No disrespect to draqu or anybody else good at cpm or reflex.

Who are the dumb people claiming Fatality would lose to 1600 ELO? You are talking about a guy who beat Zero4 13 - (-1) on LAN. Beat Toxic in Toxic's own game on LAN. He plays casually now doesnt mean he cant be good again with serious practice.

You mean he took some maps from a green Zero 4, and from toxic in a game that required only aim.

Fatal1ty stopped being relevant as soon as the metagame started to be anything more than to aim and time a couple items (badly).

There's a reason he completely disappeared from the duel scene, but kept playing modes like ca and ffa, where he showed abysmal level of playing and absurd amounts of rage.

Fatality couldn't be top 30 today. The actual version of zero 4 would blow prime fala1ty away.

Even the actual version of Toxic would beat fatality... in a duel match.

Fatality was just one of the first to deidcate seriosuly to the game. As soon as naturally talented individuals emerged, he quit the scene and tried his luck with painkiller and doom and whatever game he could lame a victory out of.

No disrespect to him- he literally jump started the quake 3 hype and player base, without him we wouldn't be where we are. He inspired millions and was able to achieve more than his talent allowed him.

But even in his prime, his duel elo would be between 1500 and 1700 at most.

Look at all his best matches, the way they all played back then can't even be compared to today's meta. Terrible dodging, aiming, timing, positioning, whatever. He was even bad at moving around the map by today's standards, and that was one of his best qualities.

if aim is all that matters then how the hell could he win against toxic, best aimer ever?

Well according to 2gd there was some dodgy shit where tox talked to fat's managers or something before losing to fat.

Theory: Maybe they wanted tox to lose to Fat so the Fatal1ty brand would get more recognition and maybe they bribed tox money.

Anyway I don't know any concrete information on this but the main point is that Fatal1ty of today cannot do well because he's pretty bad.

wasn't that the infamous throw by tox?

I've seen that game at least twice and haven't noticed anything that would suggest toxic wasn't trying to win.

Also think about all the games that Fatality had to win to get to the final. Did all his opponents throw by that logic?

no idea about the previous matches, but to me (watching it live) it was clear tox's level wasn't nowhere near as good as usual. Then it suddenly increased when 2GD in the audience shouted something.

Many years after that happened 2GD told the full story of what happened behind the scenes, explaining why the match played like that, and it's quite clear something fishy went on, alike in previous tournaments won by fat. It's on a Youtube video made by Thorin.

BTW Anon is wrong on that he beat tox. Fat lost that match.

he won first bo3 and lost the second one (so overall toxic won) as far as I remember.

are you talking about "Thorin's Thoughts - Fatal1ty Redeemed"? haven't seen that one.

the actual match is on youtube though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HAeJZN4cbo

about 2GD... he's a fun person but I'm not sure if he should be trusted.

from what I remember the argument at the time was that toxic was part of fatal1ty's team and maybe that was a conflict of interest etc.

btw... I read the article just now... There is seriously nothing specific at all at how pro's are helping out other than "they have given us good feedback" -> "We are doing our best working on their feedback".

Which is one of the most vague descriptions of "how pro's are helping shape quake".

Ye he's helping me write software, I asked him what he thought, then made an adjustment.... That's how he helped me to form the program....

I wonder if that 'feedback' will be treated the same way when rofloadouts and item timers were introduced to QL kappa.

why you so negative?
lighten up dude

tey are trying to make us a good GAME =]

No Carmack, no proper id, but Zenimax / Bethesda, Tim 'Donutman' Willits bsing around and 3rd party developers. There're some footage on the net from what's already been done, showing mega UT-ish gameplay-FEEL.


WHY would I be positive?

positiveness can help us old players to look past the not so quake parts of the game

it is important to look at this game with fresh eyes

can still be fun i feel

I don't want even a single piece of a 'part' that's not Quake.

i guess its not for you then me and my son are have fun on it

that is ok ? =p

Your son should start with the glorious 8 and 16 bit era.


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good point my friend =]

it's not a MOBA it's a DOA

I hate the one who has invented that new players are attracted by graphics and not by gameplay.