I used 25 sens @400dpi with XP accel for over a decade and have worked my way down to 1.9@800 .018myaw no accel and it still feels a little high. I just recently lowered my LG zoom aim to 1 sens.

I never run into the edge of the mousepad given it's 3 ft wide.

My aim was better @ 25 sens than it is now given I played 6-8 hours a day.

/jerkoff

no homo

I genuinely agree.

But the context I agree with isn't involved with the "god hates faggots" train. More or less, I just don't see any reason for us to get all "homo" over mouse settings.

Maybe I'm wrong though. Suppose there isn't enough homo around here. The gods of esr may enlighten us.

too much fag bad thing, Orlando was a Blessing!

Unless Agent has some weird mouse driver settings, 1800 dpi with Windows 4/11 and sens 3 results rather in 15.4cm/360 though.
But yeah, just use what you like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY90DtKaAcs

Edit: Ofc use what you like as long as you can bring your aim in stressful situations as well. Some shake more than others :p

in_mouse 2 ignores 4/11 ;)

I FUCKIN KNEW IT WAS YOU.

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I've started playing Quake 3 with ~5cm, now I'm at 10.4cm and it's fine for me :b

sens is overrated

/thread

You can have insane aim and movement with either 10 or 60 cm/360°. It's just a questions of how comfortable you feel with it. For you +30 cm feels to slow because you are probably used to play with your wrist only. because of your high sensitivity. It would take much longer for you too get used to it.

Once you learned how to play with your whole arm you can use almost any sensitivity.

Once i beat drejk on Aero with 52 cm/360° no accel just because I was hitting almost every rail but all in all that's a little bit to low for me. Can't imagine gaiia uses even lower in cpma.

actually back in 2006-2007-2008 or something I used to play with mx310 and razer krait @ 45cm/360° or maybe even slower at some point. In 2009 or something I used to play with kinzu v1 @ 800dpi sens 1.6 or 1.2 (so yeah more than 31cm/360°) and yep, the kinzu v1 has hardware accel.

But tbh i was never as "good" as now with relatively high sens. Yeah ofc now i have 144hz monitor, top mouse sensor, perfect fps etc. So yeah basically i play under better conditions. But still, I feel like low/ultra low sens is overrated, ofc when you try/play with it, it feels quite nice actually, feels almost like if you were a table-tennis pro :D. But imho you can still do arm movements with 10-15cm, it's just that the movement is shorter, much shorter, so you gain in speed and reactivity in fact, compared to ultra low sens where you have to move your arm as fast as possible.

let's say you have to do an "arm movement"... a 180° or 360° or even 90° turn, you will always do it faster on 10cm compared to 60cm for example, pretty obvious. Flick shots are also slightly faster because obviously the distance your arm or just hand/wrist has to travel is much shorter than on ultra low sens.

ofc you can still play good even on insanely low sens, but imho it's making to much "effort" for almost 0 gain compared to high sens. As long as you can control the speed of your high sens, you can then just do as good as with low sens in situations that would IN THEORY favorize low sens (talking for example med/long range lg battle or long range rails).
people usually think that with a high sens you can't track someone doing small movements, and you're worst at long range compared to low sens. Might be true for an extreme high sens like 2cm/360° but definitely wrong for a relatively high sens like 10 or 15cm.
But you have to try it yourself to understand, because even myself thought that it would be impossible to track decently an opponent with lg or rail in some situations with a sens faster than 20cm. I was wrong.
Actually 10-15cm seems to be the "sweet spot", the "perfect" sens once you get used to it. It's like everything feels natural and very reactive after 1 week of practice.

/He4rTL3sS

well I know you're hardly convinced of what you doin (nothing wrong with that) but remember this is only your point of view. When you research your own threads you often posted the ideal uber settings you just found, just to revise this a week later ;)

Back in 2006-2008 ... man thats almost 10 years ago. I think not only your hardware improved it's even more your raw aim.

Maybe slower sens is zero gain for you, but for me my rail and lg (depends on the distance) is definilty better with a slower sense. So at least for me there is no reason to use a higher sensitivity as long as I can move properly ;)

yep and with lower sens >12/13 inches/360 f.e, its easier to be accurate at long range. heartless doesn't realize there's bigger maps than thunderstruck probably :}

btw heartless you perma noob, if you want to have GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ aim what you should do is changing that mousepad. It should either be fast, slow ish or slow, but not something in between like the goliathus speed.

Well and using your time for playing duel or csgo instead of posting and lolca

CS:GO is not my type of game.

QC won't have duel as main competitive mode.

:)

What's if the main mode is TDM?

Your MG will bring you to the top of the ladder

common man whty you not tdm? raw arim is important ther hearless!

I want see.vod of lg!

add me @ steam and join the server(s) where i play :)

Long as i dont have to ride the shaft!!!

400dpi
sens 1.8
accel 0.001

all this talk of sens but you never mention fov's

15cm with 92fov versus 15cm with 120fov, very different feel

cg_viewsize and cg_fov can completely change how movement and aim relate to sens/accel

From my experience the higher the sens is
a) The longer it takes to warmup
b) The better shape it requeres to be at,compared to mid/low sens
c) The more unforgivin it is to mousepad friction inconsistency,because with those micromovements if mouse dont glide linear enough it will completely throw your aim off.

But if you can take those 3 factors under control, then yeah highsens only give benefits and in theory the higher you can master the more opportunities are opened while how high you can go is only limited by your muscle ability to handle it.

this
With low sens you can take a month break and when you come back in 1 hour you probably will aim the same
while with high sens you not only need to warmup every day but you also have to adapt a longer period of time.

I play with 19-20ish sens for 2-3 years now but lately I did some rounds with 10-15 sens and I instantly liked it. It requires a different approach and zooming with lg in longrange but overall it felt better moving around, dodging and using rockets. It's also very nice using close-range LG with it doesn't force you to move your arm around the pad like lower sens does and thus gives higher accuracy.

I definately think you're onto something, but as I duel from time to time I'd rather stick with a tad lower sens which I'm used to which feels more safe to use.

To be honest I think your LG @ 26-30 cm/360 used to be the strongest you've ever played with. I noticed how your rockets are stronger now you've gone lower sens but your LG is suffering. I'd recommend you to stick to some middle ground; high enough to hit decent rockets and low enough to hit decent LG. This way, with some getting used to you'd get the best performance you'd looking for, as I did back in the day.

You learnt a valuable lesson - that sense doesnt matter much. You come to a level in your game when you can hit 45 lg with any sens from 10-30 cm/360. It just proves that aiming is not as much about sensitivity as we tend to think - you know the movement patterns(dodging/strafing) and how to exploit different situations/angles. With this mechanical base you can hit over 40 % lg with anything from 5 cm to 50 cm after just 1 hour of practise.

But personally I still claim that rail benefits from lower sens 20-30 cm/360 or 30-40 cm + accel. That is purely for rail. In some situations you just have to be able to be completely stable and still with your crosshair. This is easier with lower sens. You can of course avg 50 % rail with 10 cm/360, I know guys who do this. But you rarely see them avg 55+. In the end you gotta find some sort of middle way.

Personally I've been increasing sens every year since I started playing Q3/QL. In team games, I argue that you need to be able to at least a 270 range spin with comfort, 180 is not enough - to be able to keep track of everything that is happening. I can imagine that with 11 cm you do 360s with supreme comfort:)

Rail is my strongest weapon with avg 57% at 18-19cm. I refer to FFA,no playing duels though

it's very simple, you play on the highest sensitivity that doesn't significantly inhibit precision

i highly doubt that with 10-15cm/360 you can be precise, thats fine for quake though since precision isn't too important. it's a good sens for tracking and quake movement. but if you play any games that reward preicison (cs) and like to keep the same sensitivity, you have to have god hands to go below ~25cm/360

in regards to ultra low sens, it's only better for games like cs where:

you don't need a fast turning speed for movement
your targets are only a handful of pixels big
you are doing a lot of preaiming and making small, minor aim adjustments
you need to be able to flick accurately

Ive heard from a lot of different ppl (including Toxic answering why did he lowered his sens) that the older you get the harder it is to control higher sensitivity. I cant see myself a strong correlation between age and highsens ability, dunno mb it has to deal with worse reaction time if you compare 35+ yr old with teenager or smth.
What do you think about this theory? Discuss

High sensitivity puts more stress on your wrist. And as you get older your wrist / joints sort of get stiffer, making it harder to micro adjust your aim.

With low sens the stress is more evenly balanced with the rest of your arm.

Last qcon he used a higher sens (4.9 vs 4.3), maybe fit better for teambased modes than duel (but his aim wasnt good like previous years).
I dont know if low sens is better when you are 30yo or more, but if reaction time is the problem you could try higher sens (more reactive).
In my experience high sens requires more time to get in shape, and when you become older you couldnt have 30mins to feel confortable with your setting, some days that is the max playtime available, rl calls :)
For me high sens = faster reaction, better movement but less consistency and less full-lg hit moments, i played good games with 23-25cm/360 but felt weaker in some 1vs1 situations than 30-36cm/360

At the same time, we old fucks prefer a higher sens because it requires lower effort to play. 30cm+ can feel like a chore to play after working all day.

I totally agree with your post. Just adding that after a certain age it can't be too low either. Not 15, even less so with accel (don't have time to warm up for optimal use), neither 30.

I think the age thing is unfounded. The difference is that as you get older you've had more time/experience to try things out and find what suits you personally.

hey do you still use this kind of high sensitivity value?
if yes can you show me how it looks? (demo, youtube or something)

btw I have the exact same opinion.
well its not even an opinion but the truth.
logically high sensi is superior than low sensi as long as the player can control it smoothly.
but the hardest part is to become able to control it smoothly.
a lot of people will have issues when they try to track against very fast micro dodging or the mix of small and medium strafes etc.

take my [+]

I agree with you actually

and yes ofc i'm still playing on 11.3cm/360°. I'm on vacation atm tho, so no quake atm

i heard one woman on youtube said that 15cm is ok but 10...10 is pretty small

15-30cm is generally good for any fps. higher for faster games without that much precision, lower for games where you need more precision.
nothing really special about a sensitivity in that range imo; the one that feels most comfortable will be one that agrees with your setup and one that you use the most.

could see people making an argument for lower sensitivities in cs (30-50cm) which Id be ok with, but beyond 50cm is silly. Having played with 15-50cm for months at a time think the best balance for precision, tracking, and flicking is 30cm.

what were most of the top dirty bomb players using?

i was always curious what W:ET style players were doing, i always assumed absurdly low.

Tried it. Unplayable. Very.

:D

what is your usual sens ?

#care to elaborate why it's unplayable for you ?

Used to be 45,4 cm / 360° for a long time, back in the MX300 days (0rigin account )) ). m_yaw .02096 and m_pitch .0315. (Even this was a huge step towards higher sens back then, since I played CPM DeFRaG in 2007-2009 with 65.5 cm / 360° @ no accel.)

Then upped it to 39,1 cm / 360° and used it for months and months. On a whim, I further upped it to 27,3 cm / 360° (and set pitch and yaw back to their default .022), which was a bit too quick first, but got pretty accustomed to it. Used it for weeks, but somehow I ended up on 39,1 cm / 360 ° once again (as well as .02096 / .0315) since I realized that I hit a bit more (and more consistently) with it. I upped it just a little (sens 1.4 -> sens 1.5), and on 36,4 cm / 360° now - but basically 1.4 and 1.5 sens is effectively the same for me in terms of aiming.
There are a few situations when a higher value would be appreciated, but not at the cost of 5-10 % lg and ~5% rail. Most of those cases could be remedied by changing the posture I'm playing with anyways.

Mind you, I use .05 accel and acceloffset 5. Mouse is a Ninox Aurora @ 800 cpi @ 500 Hz, on a 2mm QcK+, with custom PTE glides.

One of my forte is that I can get accustomed to mouse settings in minutes and hitting roughly the same accuracies if that sens is within a reasonable threshold limit, so I fucked around with it way too much.



Why 10-15 cm unplayable? RSI + 20 years of lowsens - should be enough reason for that.

Motoric and instinct responses to screen situations got most of the hand-movements hardwired by now and it's a real pain when you react very quickly and doing the same kind of swipe as before and then you turn 720° instead of hitting the sick flickrail you wanted to hit.

It's not as I absolutely can't play with 10-15 cm / 360°, it just means that my aim suffers GREATLY if I do, and since I'm an aim-heavy player..

fair enough :)

yeah 20 years on very low sens makes it really hard to adapt to high sens. And i know you cba getting used to it, which is understandable :)

Well, shuddering RSI hands won't help with that either.

It's funny tho, because I play almost entirely from wrist, grabbing the mouse with claw-fingertip hybrid.

in that case maybe you can still do it if you want.

My +forward key had been mouse2 for 10+ years.
In 2013 or 2014 I changed it to w, and moved my jump key from w to space, because I knew that would make my mouse control more flexible.
First 1-2 weeks I performed like a tier 2 noob. I couldn't even make strafe jumps well.
But I just kept using it, and got used to it.
If you can really believe what you want(with a logical reason to support it would be nice) you can do it.
It's not like trying to be a Hollywood star. you don't need luck to break your habits.

Im thinking about moving my +fire key from mouse1 to something else, or using pentab.

The emphasis was on 'shuddering RSI hands'. It's physically impossible to use constant PRECISE micromovements with it during aiming.

and also what mouse at what dpi are you using atm ?