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I realize that i don't consider the movement of the other players. Instead I run head on into rockets. I don't know why I do that.

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I'm trying to become a better player now instead of trolling. I need your insight. Without your insight, I don't think I can get very far. So please dude. I am now your student.

Quickest way to high elo is beating better players, so play with them when you can.
Make use of cg_specfov 1 always when spectating, learn how people are making the shots they do so consistently.

Experiment with accel settups (copying pro configs the best start, though their base sens is usually way too low for most people's slow arms) as well as no accel sensitivity settups, you have to change sense a lot if you change fov really.

I'm playing with KGB right now. It's not working.

try mossad !!

ok cya

I'm using k1llsen's config.

1st tip : stop copying pro player's settings and find your own

How about no?

Tip 2:


Guitar.


Lessons.

I would say, dont experiment with accel, sens or fov. Just pick something that feels good and get used to it, its all about getting used to things.

play more duel!?!?!!?!?!!

I'd buy that shit if it actually worked doe.

you simply cant gain that much elo in 2 weeks...I doubt its ur dodge, more likely that because ur aim lacks they just outaim you, which makes it feel as if ur dodge is bad

I think my aim is okay. I rail consistently at 50% and my LG needs a lot of work as my movement is kind of shit.

And Im sure I can because I did the same thing when I went from 1400 to 1700 a year ago in just two weeks of intense focus/practice.

It's a lot harder to advance on higher levels and higher you go a lot more time/practice/analysis you need to do for small steps. :)

I'm different. my iq is 170 so I'd learn a lot faster than normal people do

You wouldn't create stupid threads on esr if your IQ was above 100. ;)

I can assure you I WOULD! I'm the living proof! You do realize i'm an international chess master right?

Or make another account and get it to your elo then farm it by playing with 2 pcs, 2200 in 2 weeks ez.

I am playing on a new account as I'm banned from most servers.

lulz

yeah not a lot of foreigners know this about me.

i just think it's hilarious that there are probably like 15-25 other people in QL that are "banned from most servers". gotta be a real special cookie to achieve that status :P

Yeah what they don't realize is that I wanted to be banned. No one is that stupid,.

you seem to be proof to the contrary :/

Society lack people like me. I'm the kind who will make a true difference in this world. I'm not a master puppet, i'm a master player.

how do we lack you? you're right here...

Do you realize you're a pawn on my chessboard? This is exactly what I wanted.

.

Seriously though. There are tons of aspects almost anyone can improve upon unless you're like rapha or someone. Go down this list and ask yourself what areas you lack in and train those.

Aim
Movement and dodging
Timing and short term memory
Positioning
Spawns and spawn fragging
Spam and prediction shots (For free damage)
Reading your opponent

Well, right now ,it's movement and dodging which i'm lacking. If I Fix this, my aim will surely improve as well.

aim better and move after they shoot

Scratching my head thinking "what the hell kind of advice do you think you're giving here?"

MFW nobody realized yet that hes talking about ca elo

That's why it's nice to have smart people like you around to inform the populace!

hate to admit it but mray557 is probably the best esr troll since g.i. jonesy

ok maybe p4r4 and zhu are better

p4r4 is way more convincing than mray557

I'm just taking into consideration how many replies all of mmray557's threads normally get (although on second thought half the replies are usually himself). p4r4 is so subtle it's amazing, if he actually posted threads in addition to comments he would be truly king.

Ok man, since you're not going to give constructive criticism, I SUGGEST that you get the fuck out of my house bitch.

You wanna kiss my ass later and share some tips on how to dodge better?

you don't actually have skill that this game tho, why do you think you do? 1800 Elo? Phhfft

Gorija trying hard to get my attention.

stop wasting space. so annoying to scroll your pointless...wait....pointed(?) posts.

Yeah tell me about this. this guy fucks with my thread every time and he's the one who banned me. talk about desperate

you're both desperate. play the game, live your life, and stop whining/trolling.

This is the game. I'm in control of it.

I'm just going to call it quits. You can't be that bad of a guy. You've made me laugh genuinely quite a few times when you were just having fun trolling. You play quake, which in this day of age is quite awesome.

Here, here I say! Let us be brothers in quake and in life.

You wish douche!

We're going to be quake besties forever!!! I'll do my best for you! From here on out only kind words and loving anecdotes from me to you!

Classic advice...

Treat it like boxing: stick and move, stick and move

Don't you know Bad Boys move in silence and violence?

Te doljne znat kogda bit agresivne e ne agresivne ;)

I wanna dodge like rapha

There was a vod of rapha on dm13 with cooller commenting on his dodging, you'd probably enjoy it. I don't really know how to find it though. I'd guess he probably learned to dodge as much from lexer and cooller demos as anything else, dunno though.


This might be it, think there's another one with cooller commenting somewhere though.
http://www.esreality.com/post/1987787/fresh-p...ller-dm13/
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/31307-fresh-...3-gamescom


Here's cooller and carmac commenting iem4 dm13 finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7jxAyd4-M0&a...mp;index=5
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgQn8R...NXX4Yh7cLd

Here's dm6 with rapha commenting
http://www.esreality.com/post/1911478/esl-cla...s-cooller/

Forward/back patterns are really important against rl, as you can see there, since it screws up splash damage.

I agree with the forward/back. I seem to have improved using this technique.

Dodging is pretty easy, you just need to also focus on the enemy and his dodge as well.

Use your rockets to your advantage, don't just spam them and hope to hit some splash because you take at least a second or two to shoot them properly you can knock your enemy into a position and dodge around it.

Nah I'm talking about if i have LG out and the other guy has rocket/grenade. I usually get hit head on by them.

During LG vs RL fights - keep the distance, don't let em get closer, it will give your brain more time to react to their rockets and stop moving into them.

I want to master all close up fights. I feel like if someones within an feet away from me and he has rocket, he would hit me 100% of the time. I've seen rapha where he was able to dodge rockets that close.

You can't rely on people to miss close range rockets. Of course you should try to dodge them anyway, but if the outcome of the fights you take relies on them missing these kinds of shots, you are doing something wrong in general.

Besides, rapha does have some of the best dodging when it comes to rocket fights (for reference, check his clan arena matches from a few years ago), but a fair share of missed rockets on rapha come from the fact that hes the #1 in Quake duel and people just freak out/get nervous when they play him

The general rule technically is RL > LG in most cases, this is where your positioning comes in to play.

Try actively get yourself in a position that favors lg v rl situations. It's something to actively think about.
A good map to get into the habit of thinking like that is Toxicity. If you do it right you can abuse LG and really destroy your enemy.

:)

I'm thinking about practicing RL vs LG on eyetoeye today with someone for 10 hours straight.

When rockets are being shot at you, use your eyes to avoid them.

Being a sarcastic cunt won't get you far in life man.

He's not wrong.

no he is.

Best advice I was ever given:

PUSH THE RIGHT BUTTONS FASTER THAN YOUR ENEMY

On another note, there's two rules in dodging fire. First is not to repeat enemy's movements. Some enemies will try to let you dodge in accordance to their plan, they will bait you into dodging in a pattern they want to see so they can nail you, this is especially visible in an LG duel when you think tyou dodge right and still the enemy's beam looks like it's almost glued to your hitbox. The other rule is to read enemy movement and actively counter it. Think where he will move and where he expects you to move. Being erratic won't get you far, maybe against noobs but not against people who know where rubber meets the road.
Good players make it look like random spastic movement but they simply have a pattern ready already and their muscle memory just invokes it. This happens after years of training and playing when you dont have to consciously anticipate and counter, you just feel how to counter and what to expect. It's as close to reflex action as possible in a learned behavior.

But still remember to push the right buttons faster. If you're slower than your enemy he will have time to do for example 3 things when you do one, and that won't help you from a simple statistical point of view.

Case in point: When I drink 3 times more than my friend, I achieve the Nirvana faster and receive blessed communications while being drunk already while my friend is still on the level of getting woozy.
By these very same unfortunate laws I have a hangover 3x the size the next day, so tread lightly in the realm of Alco Hol...

This is probably the best advice I've read on dodging and I will be applying it.

Best dodge advice I ever saw was keep Yakkity Sax in your head and tap out directions to that.

you sound jel

Thanks for spoiling my tactics.

Its very akin to mine: Get drunk, listen to weird music and move like a spazz.

jump the highway, dodge cars... youre destined for a pathetic death ray

You're in no position to tell anyone what to do. You live in shithole Pakistan! lol

i do not. i live in a very nice place.

There's no place nice in Pakistan!!! HAHA. GOOGLE IT. JUST GOOGLE !

i do not live in pakistan.

1. You sound Pakistanian
2. You have a Pakistan flag.
3. You're defensive as fuck

ok im from pakistan. where are you from?

Trump America.

i hear hes a pretty cool guy

You lost your argument 3 comments ago.

yes, but here we are... when did youre life take this detour to bring you here to me? or didnt it lead nowhere?

You came to me.

yes, i thought you need someone to talk to

Why would I need to talk to someone from Pakistan?

it will ease your obsession

Oh so you are from Pakistan after all.

i would love san francisco, must be a fun place to live. You think a guy making barrels could get a job there?

You probably could if you got a VISA.

do they have plastic barrels in san francisco?

I don't think you'll make it across sea in those.

do you like living in san francisco?

Would you shut the hell up? god damn.

why dont you like san francisco?

dont you have any friends there? is that the reason you lost your optimism?

I don't believe in friendship.

I don't believe in friendship.

I dont dodge (c) no_il

just call him no man

USA 1800 elo = 1500 EU elo. Move in EU and try to beat 1600 ELO players then try to reconsider about 2,2k elo.

lmaooooooooooooooo

I think he is right simply because eu playerbase number is alot more then the us number, not because of eu players being better.

So why don't EU players move to USA?

thats actually what im working towards my whole life, as soon as i retire ill hit the states, finally ill be 2k+ duel elo

i play the piano... hope that helps?

just do this... https://clips.twitch.tv/cooller/SmoggyRhinocerosNinjaTroll

and i'm not trolling you, all the answers to your question are there, if you analyse it carefully

Looks good but i think evil just has bad aim.

wow......Cooller....is Cooler....thann..alll.

Fuck that was nice

Dodging LG: Work different dodging pattern by doing simple exercises: keep your crosshair locked to a given point and move left/right. Try long ones at first to get a feel then short ones up to tapping left right and micro adjusting with your mouse to keep some stabililty in your aim despite your own dodging. The key is to always be more comfortable than your opponent in the aim/dodge pattern. Experience helps you tell who's hitting the most at a given point. Then you need to change your dodging pattern until you find your edge so try to mix them in your trainings. Next step when you are comfortable with mouse stability is to add prediction of opponent's moves to add some strafe aim (actually needs a fair bit of +forward or +back to be efficient) sometimes or adjust your beam depending on his next position. Final step may be to look at the beam of your opponent but I am not sure if it is reliable and who does that consciously. Overall break your pattern when you are hit.

Dodging vs Rail: Depending on his position to you, you want your dodge perpendicular to the line between you and him (left/right if you look at him). The best dodge is fast tapping as it messes with prediction of position,create a couple of tapping patterns and repeat them as if they were tools to use depending on the situation (start with one to reapeat all the time then a second and so on...). I like a serie of 1 stroke left then (when his shot gets ready) 3 strokes to the right myself and abuse mostly this pattern. Experience then will tell you when your ennemy's rail is ready to shoot and focus your dodge on this moment, I liked playing with long rail trails to get a grip of it (basically dodge when the trail disappears).

Dodging vs Rox: Make it multi dimensional! Add some +forward/+back moves to your dodge to go second dimension, add some timed jumps and crouches to get pro. The main mistake here is to keep doing just left/right as with other dodges.

A good way to get your first feels is to dodge without aiming (warmup or with mates), then dodging while aiming is a matter of practicing.
You will quickly get ready for Eye to Eye but adding some map knowledge to the mix does help a lot. If you can move your ass backward or sideways comfortably on a map you will be able to keep your dodges perpendicular while reaching positions either to break the fight and flee or gain a positional advantage (top of stairs vs rox for example).

When does anyone make a dodge movie?
Some of these shit are mesmerizing to see! Thinking of pavel's infamous moonwalk or cooller's rail dodges vs base or Cypher's rocket crouches vs dahang on toxicity or fox jumpover rockets vs av3k... There is so much material in this area, I can think of many more!

+ for the dodge movie, can add ins dodging flights

CoolStoryBob

u just need a better ping

white man cant dodge

tru
i dogdge best on ESR =]

The only real moment I felt I got really good was when I nerded the same map 10 times a day (if not more), and doing the same with an other the next day. Try this and perhaps it will work out for you.

There's some truth to what you're saying.

want a pointer??? =]

i give you pointer for free

i point u in the direction of a cliff

and throw yourself off it


ya bitch

move to pl, they got the best internet for quake

first ask the elo farmers how they farm. its amazing how much the elo farmers make vs the average player.

elo farmers can make 400+ elo in few games. average player -500 in 4 games.

once you mastered elo farmer, then focus on dodge, lg aim etc...

yeah I'm beginning to think that people won't let me advance because they know who I am. I'm at least 2200 strength like I been telling everyone. I always out-perform those who are 2000+ range in all CA games and it's strange how my elo is 1700.

Know that feeling of people targeting you in-game, sucks on a massive scale

yeah, today... people on my team kept throwing because they read this post or know what im up to

That sucks hardcore :( these kinds of players are beyond irritating.

Some random ELO farmer must put up a guide to farming ELO. I'm curious as to what the guide will say. Maybe they will have a tip to stack teams in your favour :/

Your comment is wrong on so many levels.. The more the teams are stacked in favour of the supposed "farmer" the harder it is for him to gain elo, so that defeats the object of stacking the teams.. To be honest I don't see too many farmers, more common is players who are afraid of going 1v1 at the start because they take damage instantly. Complaining about farmers is a classic noob compliant line, the higher the elo the more damage a player must do for his team. You can't get to certai elo levels of yo u haven't got skills to some extent, you can only farm to a point because if your elo is falsely high the teams will just always be stacked against you, meaning you will lose more games and give out less damage.

So please think next time before you rage the guy who is carrying your team by a clear 2K dmg, chances are he isn't farming, just doing what he has to to keep your ass from getting 10-0'd

Wtf did I just read?

Your comments show your lack of understanding things on a normal level so I try to explain again:

Team A vs Team B

where team A is rated much higher gives little elo for team A players if they win and gives loads of elo for team B players if they win

You know why?

Because the system assumes the winning chances are much higher for team A!!!! (What a surprise, they have higher values!!!)

now you judge my understanding of normal things?

google sarcasm or troll next time... might learn something

don't play dumb dumb

way2late

use shotty and start far back and try to get point blank range on a mofo with lg.... and kill em'.

or I could grab my nutsack like a kangaroo!

I've been playing CA only for years. I just copy what the really good players do. Find out what you can emulate.

E.g positioning, weapon choice, use and how they build from that.

Only use players strats that almost always work(never ever fail).

If you can't lg like purp then put it away and use rockets. Try to build on all aspects of your weapons.

Rockets = being able to spam them around corners, knocking people around, spam them seriously if you see someone run away from you and you want an easy kill sometimes the best thing to do is shoot 1-2 rockets and wait dor him to return to your spam or rails.


Lg in ca is just hovering your mouse left and right seriously and letting it sit in one spot occasionally.

Rail - shoot as many as you can. Spam them a little until your accuracies read 50% after firing 100 in a game.

Get a proper mouse and pad.

I recommend a Qck+ and g502

Get a 144hz etc.

Gimmie a call Ray.. I'll give you some tips: 1-800-273-8255

I'll call your mom tonight!

Play a lot of 1v1 2v2 ca vs very hard opponents. They will punish every mistake you make in your dodging, movement and weapon selection, also you get forced to hit perfect initial & flick rockets. If you invest enough time playing this mode vs the top your combat skills will be very good. You basically get forced to always mix stuff up and stay creative in your execution in combat, which is key in having the upper hand over your opponents.

It's also about having the mindset to keep improving and letting go of your ego. Each facet of Quake is almost a whole discipline and requires serious practice to master.

Good luck.

This is a good explanation. Thanks.

Thank you too.

You know, theorycrafting about a highly fast paced and dynamic game like Quake Live has its use but it's very limited. 80%+ of the skill you build up comes from quality practice outside of your comfort zone against people who just have some sort of edge over you.

It just takes time, patience and longing at becoming better at the game. Don't forget to enjoy the game when you're not winning. In the end it's just a game!

I agree quality practice matters. I would know since that's basically what took me to become a decent chess player. Took me years to become decent and it really helps to practice with stronger players. In quakelive though, it's more difficult to find decent games to practice in because the community is extremely toxic. But you sir, have earned my respect.

come to EU i'll teach you 2v2 small CA

and i'll teach you how to dodge

:>

I wish I could go to EU.. American quake pretty much garbage.

if you are so unhhapy in san francisco just come to europe

what do you want from me?

U can teach him with 140 ping. I think it would be easy for you even with that ping:P

watch Evil/Cooller/Rapha/Cypher demos, pay much attention to the battles where they do use dodges. Try to notice moves that you wouldn't do, try to understand why they did so. And the final tip - PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

"be water my friend" (C) Bruce Lee

What if the only reason why they move the way they do is so they can dodge the shot though? Or there are more specific reasons why they move the way they do?

> so they can dodge the shot
Yes that's the only reason. But I mean a bit deeper understanding of small moves that you usually forget to notice. Like why did someone make 2 short strafes to the left and then 1 long to the right.

The main principles of dodging as I see it:
- Try to predict where your enemy want to shoot (watching on enemy's gun position can help a bit, but practice vs skilled players would give you much better experience). And do the opposite moves that your enemy doesn't expect.
- Be unpredictable & strange on movement so it would be very hard for others to read you. Making the same left-right-left-right dodges won't help you at all. Rushing with +forward in the middle of the fight may cost you the frag. But being weird may help you to stay alive.
- Don't forget that dodging is only a part of winning the fight. Another important part is aiming. So you should learn how to connect your dodging with your aiming.

and here are some useful videos just to get the idea of my words:
Cooller dodges vs Rapha on dm13

Pavel's moonwalk @ 1:22


The last one is from different game but it's quite speakable. Take a look on the stacks of both players and how aiming from shaft was connected with dodging from rockets on the limited space for moving:

Dno about tricks . But the best way to learn to Dodge is to play against better players with superb aim. Thats it =)

GIVE ME YOUR ACCOUNT AND I LL MAKE U EZ 2200 IN 1 WEEK SO EZ .

hi Strenx

haha you got me , i'm w33d aka strenx ,since im 10 people think i cheat , but dont worry just go on server and rape their ass

huh? I don't play quake anymore. I been off the game for 3 months now

A great injustice was done in discord today

Xero will pay

Cxe cpm community favorite

Here is my old rocket dodging guide - http://esreality.com/post/2806380/re-rocket-d...e-by-aeon/

huh I don't even play quake anymore.

one less scrub in the community

Sup man? Do you enjoy reading my comments?

mray557 more like mrbitch557 =]