LOLatQCTimers

Did anyone really expect otherwise? It is odd how completely the ID team seem to have failed to internalise how they need to make new Quakes, in terms of features, to gain any kind of multiplayer community.

how to do some good game:
u just need to take worst things of ur rivals
1. roflex timors
2. overwatch wallhacks and healing
3. least played gamemode from quakelive and call it "sacrifice"
4. .......?
5. PROFIT!

they could make a Quake based on old players wishes.. and then it would have 34 players online like Reflex has right now.

Since when old players wanted item timers? Read my nickname again.

originally didnt have timers, was still dead

quake needs radical changes made to it to be enjoyable by more than 100 people. if u havent realized this in 20 years you're probably braindead

Haha there are only so many "radical" changes you can make before its not really Quake.

Oh well, Quake originally was supposed to be more like an RPG.

I'm still waiting for "Quake: The Fight for Justice". :D

https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/quake/im...0122131748

QC takes us back to Quake's RPG roots. :D

With the free publicity they have thanks to their heritage and Bethesda, they can make pretty much anything (for example an Overwatch clone), and be decently successful with it. Proof? QL. In hindsight this did very well, considering it's little more than a Q3 re-release.

I dunno.
have you see how dead lawbeakers is?

On the face of it there is nothing wrong with it, but its looking pretty dead and totally different to quake.

Success is not assured even if you do a good job, you need a lot of things to go your way.

Quake has to have its own mark, but I would leave out ANARKI/SLASH, simply because the players who use them will still play it, and the overall speed of the game will be more palletable to new blood.

Quake is a big step up, putting in CPMA, QUAKE 4 etc is not good for the new blood and there is enough in VQ3 to last them years.

The tech issues have hurt them too. They should try and recreate a classic CS and TF2 level and see how it plays.

arena is fine for duel and ffa, I think its less good for team stuff.
add in a few anarkis and slash and its a mess.

Make that a few hundred, and that would be just fine.

Truth, right here.

Innovation would be fine, but not ripping the soul out of a franchise. They have no clue what they are doing. This will flop with vets and newcomers alike, that much is obvious.

"feels clunky"

Please do tell where and how long you played it for.

Enough to know it's not butter smooth like Q3/QW

Its entering closed beta, then open beta, then release. Things can improve.

Don't think so. Engines are set in stone at this point.

engine =/= movement

movement code = movement

according to sponge, they started with a pixel-by-pixel recreation of dm6 in scale with q3a movement code and directly imported all movement related code from q3a...so theoretically it should feel exactly like q3a (obviously it wont though cause it's on a different renderer/physics engine)

it definitely didn't feel like idtech (in the same way reflex doesn't feel like idtech), but the movement for sure felt acceptable to say the least. hard to say with mouse delay I had/limited time on setup

good info

Quake 3 was not smooth back in the year it was released. It barely ran on decent PCS because the graphics were advanced for the time. Don't worry, in 20 years everyone will get 250 fps in this new game too.

I don't think anyone will care about QC in 20 years.
Also its the engine itself that matters.

Go back to 1999 dude, its 2017, get with the times.

We should all kill ourselves.

Thats how life works, adapt or go extinct, sorry i didnt made the rules. Quake3 is an amazing game but after 17 years, im ready for change.

This isn't life. It's just a game.

In life, "adapting" to bad games is just not playing them anymore.

why so serious brah?

I thought that was you with your redpilling us on the nature of life. :D

:D

Adaptation would require new stimuli.

Whats the stimuli here? The dumbed-down Q3 gameplay? The UT architecture? The OW hero model?
We've seen it, we know it, we dont need to learn it.

It's like you told a bunch of virtuosos who can play Chopin's Thirds with their dicks to evolve and play Old MacDonald on a kids piano.

I'm all for evolving and new stuff, but this game is neither so far.

your pc is too slow for QC and u r mad?

You've been around this site since 2005 and your english reading comprehension is still stuck at goatherd's level.
So much for adaptation.

yep definitely mad, this part is gold tho "It's like you told a bunch of virtuosos who can play Chopin's Thirds with their dicks to evolve and play Old MacDonald on a kids piano."

edit: lol at your mega edit kid

*get with the timers

touche

For the timers they are a changin'. :D

I cant agree with you at all, I think it sounds like an awesome game. The game you are looking for is probably Reflex Arena, heard it had a massive community aswell!

I agree with the Poster of this topic . Quake Champions is and will be SSOOOOOOOO GaRaeeeeET!

just play reflex.

(btw there is no timer in reflex, except for casual mode, wich is great for beginners i think. all ranked games do not have timers.)

It doesn't cut it. It's too sterile. It lacks the testosterone of Q3/QW. The sounds, models, the whole aesthetics, it just doesn't do it for me.

Stop reading at "feels".
Dumb

have a [+]

You didn't even play it dude so nice try.

Quake Champions will be awesome.

You didn't play it either. It's hard to tell if it will be awesome or not.

Dude...just play q3/ql if you don't like change. or Reflex.

If gaming had never evolved we'd be stuck with pong-like games. Thank god there's evolution in gaming, it gave us quake 3. Member ?

Nah, it's more of a cycle, like with civilizations: the rise and the fall. :D

and then the rise

semi knobbed rise

skullman rises

My question is: How the fuck have competitive FPS evolved since Q3?

In fact, how haven't they unevolved?

QC looks awesome to me (judging from some ESR videos).
f*ck those negative ppl.

To you. Dead statues also look "awesome". To me anyway it just looks like a fest of ugly uninspired palette of colors. And the most important aspect of any game should be the first gameplay, second the look. Here we haven't any.
The only guys doing a good job in this game are, as usual, the mappers, while the coders and those building the elements of the gameplay are just taking a big shit on their work.

It is not called "negative" but constructive criticism. That's what made evolution possible. Maybe you should categorize the criticism of QL players as "hate speech" and report it to superior forums.

HIT DA BLUNT =]<*~~

interesting but in german ~_~

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Quake-Champions...n-1224732/

BUT includes screenshot of graphic/video settings

I had to prove I was not a robot just to view that site. Weird.

How can we trust you?

Haha :D

It is some Cloudflare thing. It still comes up when I click on that link.

I'm guessing it is misconfigured because I don't see any reason to protect a random public article on a gaming hardware website.

thanks, interesting read. Altough it boggles my mind how the game designers can't answer the question of there will be a LAN mode and if the game runs in DirectX or OpenGl.

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"Feels clunky, like UT/Q4" wat.

It does.

"feels" implies you played it.

You can see it in videos if you are experienced enough. It's like being neo.

'if' i had 'played it', Id say its not clunky at all. 'if'

It does. And ye, I played it for a few hours today.

I also have feels today.

We all knew this the second QC was announced, so this topic is pointless.
From the get go this has been a "lets make a Paladins/Overwatch clone" a few years too late. Make it casual as fuck and maybe, maybe we can get a few thousand players for a few months and trick other companies to pour money into the artificial scene we will create.

it isnt a overwatch clone. willits said that in interviews.

Well "Overwatch clone" isn't a correct term indeed as Overwatch wasn't the first of its kind, but it is meant to be casual as fuck it seems atm and we all knew that it would be from the get go.

While some people, including me, might not like it, there was not other course of action for id really. You have to make casual (learn it in an hour, master it in a week) sort of games these days, otherwise it will flop.

okay i get it

Game is literally nothing like overwatch or paladins. The only resemblance is that they are FPS....and that is pretty much it. NEXT!

Abilities ... nothing more to say.

It is a game designed to be unbalanced at the most fundamental level. Any kind of skill ceiling is brought way way down, the learning curve can be steep, but it plateaus relatively quickly.

Starcraft/warcraft, Quake, CS etc - infinite skill ceiling
Anything designed to not to be balanced - max level in a few months to year, after that it's all cosmetics

This however is not bad for player numbers, if it is a big name title, which Quake once was.

You say that abilities in a game make it impossible to balance... then you mention Starcraft/warcraft as balanced games (infinite skill ceiling), where units have different abilities and races have different units. Are you sure this is right?

is star craft an fps? no

abilities take the fundamentals of quake and throws them out the window.
champions are a crutch for not learning the basics.
If the game is being designed for esports why are they making a casual game?

Why not give each player spells? what's the difference?


It's like they compiled all the ideas from the ql forum given by T1-T2 players and made a game.
There's talk about giving the whole team quad when it's picked up.

It doesn't make sense to me to go backwards.

is star craft an fps? no

Then why bring it up at all? Clearly, he thinks it's not entirely unrelated.

Yes I am saying that.
In Starcraft all the players have the opportunity to produce all the same units, it comes down to strategy, positioning and whatnot.

Abilities make it impossible to balance by design. Some players are always favoured due to their hero/ability choice and no matter how good of an aimer someone is, it is a built in feature that in some games they can never win, mathematically.

In Starcraft all the players have the opportunity to produce all the same units

I can't believe I'm reading this.

Well what you do not have is "player 1 can produce 200 units that do 2 damage, player 2 can produce 400 units that do 4 damage and are twice as fast"

I cannot believe I'm trying to explain why n and n+1 are different by default and not exactly equal.

he's saying everyone on the server can choose the same champ. everyone in starcraft can choose the same units... but they don't.

That's not it. They can choose their race, which have different mechanics and units. Races which had to be balanced against one another.
Why can races be balanced but champions can't?

Well, even our beloved Starcraft needed a billion balance patches before it was eventually considered balanced. It'd probably still be getting them if Blizzard had anything to do with it.

I think it unlikely QC will last that long.

Requiring a constant stream of balance patches doesn't necessarily reduce the skill ceiling of a game, except until people figure out how to exploit it, and another patch is due.

What's more, nowadays achieving true balance is probably not even a goal since changing the game keeps it interesting for some people.

Not saying I like the game (can't even force myself to like it. they ruined it with all the worthless classes/abilities), but mechanically the way it plays/feels/modes is nothing like Overwatch or Paladins.

it sucks

Q4 at launch was better

we shouldnt talk about quake4.

q4 mp was awfull at begin.

reminder what happened. first we (here) bashed the game. then we wanted it to be another copy of q3 (which was wrong from todays standpoint), and id did make it more q3-ish as we wished. afterwards we critisized that q4 hadnt much character of its own (lol).

we said about a future quake5 here

- it must be easier for beginners and new players
- modernised, a consens between old and new, which is very very hard to do, because of the design decisions
- new engine / new grafix = which means it can never be a quake 3 part2
- quake-fast
- a cpma or quakeworld variant, the holy grail of quake for some players, will not be played by new players. it just wont.
- a new quake needs a big playerbase.

Wrong. Q4 sucked because it was just bad. So many wrong things with it.

New engine is ok as long as it doesn't suck. You can tell the new one does by juding about how wrong that DM6 looks scale wise (same shit as Q4. Remember trying to do the pillars combo in Q4's Campground when you slide in nicely throught the edge of the pillars in Q3 but in Q4 you would end up failing to do so because the entire thing was fucked?)

Sorry, facts say Q3 is still the best game. QW has his own charm considering it's a 1997 game and the ridiculous overpowered LG/RL and funny bouncing fast grenades, massive spawnrapping etc.

You are the one who sucks if you cannot do anything in a fast game like q4.

Q3: All that ever mattered.

Noob game.

In which the hallucination of other games which aren't Q3 existing persists.

q3 is old as fuck, 1999, why would anyone play it.

Also it has shit movement, no positional sound, and trash maps.

q4 was so shit that they went back to q3

q4 was so hard, that noobs went to q3
also calculators could not handle q4,

good pcs only came after 2013 year

Now we play 240fps, back in 2008 no pc could handle 125 fps.

I dont think anyone wants it to be a copy of previous quakes. All we want is that improvements made in different aspects (engine netcode configurability) over previous iterations and lessons learnt to be present in quake 5 (which is qc) from day one and not throw away years of good stuff. (unfortunately that is not the case again).

The concept of "stealing" in computer games is a complicated matter. It seems that it is ok to "steal" ideas and then propagate it as "evolution" with no one answering for it, or even making money from it, but it is not ok to play pirated games? How about the compensation for the monopoly on various genre when most of these number one games are anti-cultural kitsches? Who would compensate us for the destruction of arts and for the intellectual ravage they spread onto our kids? I buy a game on medieval theme and I find gps maps there for the stupid who don't know how to use a standard map and I feel offended because this is an affront to my intellect! Would somebody compensate me on this? Does NDA think about us, the clients, for a moment?

All this was written by me in order to support the idea of decompiling the game and modify the game as we please. First adding LAN support then our servers and spreading the code to anyone. Giving the retardization of games all to reach their marketing number and giving the way they sell us all to consoles world in order for them to make money I have no respect for computer programmers anymore. They deserved to be robbed to the bone for they are robbing us of so much more. The first guys to make the source code public should be the employees of id Soft but they are too chicken to do that -although some misunderstood ppl just did that with Doom 3.

And bottom line is that if the community would decompile the game and modify it or get hands on the source code the company would not even lose money. It is only those potential people robbed by them with unfulfilled promises they would lose so we could call this preemptive strike, not letting them rob and deceive the people.

This guy predicted like a mofo.
yuri geller

#tdmpickup

see you in QL

Daily reminder that I predicted everything.

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Man you were so right.

As much as I want to like QC, I can't.
I hate the champions concept, abilities, HP/Armour differences, item timers, funky graphics, shitty modes...
The more I play QL and QW the less I like QC.
And it's not nostalgia kicking in, since I only started playing QL about 1 year ago and QW about a week ago. For QW I already see the beauty of the game without much experience.

For QC... Been playing it since open beta but I am just not into it.
Could have been such a cool Quake comeback, guess I'll have to stick with small player networks in QL and QW

I think there is a good game behind QC.

The main things I don't like about the gameplay is the champion active abilities and duel. I think duel could just be the same as it was but you have 3 champion tokens or something per match. I don't like the whole rounds thing. The champion active abilities just feel cheap, it doesn't take any skill to press a button, I don't hate them as much as I used to but I still wish they weren't there.

Other than that its mostly bugs that need working out. Very annoying bugs but we can assume they'll eventually be fixed...

I don't think anything like quake ever going to appeal to the masses, anyway. I just hope it doesn't do as badly as QL when its finally released.

In a way I miss QL and the other quakes, but also I don't, because I played them to death and QC feels different enough to feel kind of fresh, and it does have the most active community atm which is the main thing that puts me off the other quakes right now.

10 minutes, 10 champs.
no rounds.

*pases blunt of respect*

No Carmack No Quake

bethesda wanted QC primarily to be a teammode esport. there is no doubt about it, implementing MOBA character selection changes Quake enough to make it something original again.

i look at QC Duel like this...

Duel Metagame - MOBA Metagame = 50% Quake, 50% OW. duel used to be 100% of it's own meta game, now you have to subtract a portion of that with the MOBA mechanics to ensure you're actually counting in the crap that people can do midgame. as it stands, ingame you can play like a complete idiot and get to diamond. it is too quirky to be played the same way folks. and i personally was already dedicated to learning duel before QC, so butchering that gamemode that i respected so much is not something I embrace. you can't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

ID: 'Sacrifice, the future of team arena esports'
World: No.

Gave it another go after being sent a free to play code.

Game feels disconnected and "off" which is enough for me to not play it despite some improvements and balancing issues they've done. It hasn't got that direct feeling that a Quake game is supposed to have which is the whole reason I got into Quake one million years ago.

Yeah you are right about that. Everything has some weird delay. Game stutters alot, even with constant 230 plus fps, or doesnt matter what i cap it to.
Feels like a better engine would make big difference

And doesn't feel right. QC is the only game where I have to get used to the mouse movement.

tbh i like a QC duel better then QL, main reason beeing after playing quake3\ql for so long, its nice for something new\different.In QL we have alredy seen every matchup there ever could be, been there done that.

But this clutch game takes all the fun of it, Dahang won big tournament because of beeing better at clutch then anyone else, now raisy copys the same strategy.Hide behind shield and shoot.

Or perhaps, they are just better players, but i dont care, because clutch is not what quake is about.

But i do respect Raisy alot for playing at this level and understanding the game enough to use whatever tools that works the best, instead of trying to win tournaments using good old QL tactics, like cypher do.

But then again i do respect the players wanting to play Quake, instead of just abusing whatever idiotic balancing that some noob coders have put into the game.

Also, remove this round system, horrible horrible.

QC is a great game, if you dont focus on the bad netcode\engine\balancing\maps\etc. Some good things underneath there :P Most bad things can be refined, apart from the engine, im worried about the engine, as calleking says , there is a certain disconnect, everything is lagged .

Also if you don't focus on Hulk Hogan's gut, arms, age, moustache and bald head he's a pretty hot chick.

1. scrap it
2. use ut4 engine
3. make quake battle royale
4. ????
5. PROFIT

I just don't think the core concept of adding unique chars with abilities to Quake gameplay has worked. Everything just feels off because of it in an arena shooter where you expect consistency.

I also don't think it was worth it to attract new players because the game is still enough Quake that they still join and get destroyed just out of pure mechanical skill differences and then quit and go back to Overwatch. So if it doesn't appeal to new ppl or old Quake ppl then what good is it?

and how the fuck is CTF still not in? sacrifice is ass

daily reminder that I predicted this ages before release

technically 1 day

Okay. Have you any more predictions?

I can predict more rape videos, on Sanchez YT in the future.

1) Feels clunky, like UT/Q4

Lol you are a moron.

Watch any q4 video. It is a 240fps game with the fastest movement and smallest hitbox.
No other quake is even remotely close to speed and difficulty of q4.
Pro QC players with 55%+ lg come to q4 and hit 28% LG, 80% rail becomes 30% rail.

Fuck off, Sanchez.

Its God Sanchez for you, kid.

Too me u just a crazy ****a.

Its GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ, to you,
little dumb kid.

You didn’t get the Bob Dylan reference.

No, its not something I watch or hear about.

I am the only one in the universe who hits 95 rail and 60 lg in quake 4.

hit me baby one more time