from what i see on the russian site the test with dx11. dx12 or vulkan can bring higher fps thats true.
from what i see the ryzens are good for apps but not for games. Vega we will see but normaly i like intel and nvidia much more than amd.
and nvidia will fix his vulkan performance maybe.
but thats all in the stars.. so right now it would be nice to see tests from ppl who realy what to max out the fps from the game.. and dont play with ultrasettings and stupid high price hardware.
It's not that Ryzen isn't good for games, it is, but it's not on the level of the current generation of Intel processors.
Ryzen equals the 4770k. It's only the current gen that it's behind in SOME games.
If you only play games, then the 7700k is what you want. If you play games and other stuff, go ryzen. If you don't want to go i7, then the 1600x is close enough to the 7600k that you might as well get the ryzen, as it's probable that it's performance will increase in future and be better for newer games, while older games it won't really matter.
I have a 3770k and I will probably still hold off for now. But, if I had a 2500k and I was going to upgrade, I would probably either get a 7700k or 1600x.
Quake Champions is being optimized for AMD Ryzen and Vulkan, and this has been confirmed by both AMD and idSoftware.
Also QC was demoed on Pax running on R7 1800X+Rx480. If you wish to stream and game at the same time in the future maybe a Ryzen based system will be more suitable. (R5 1600X ($260), 6core/12thread cpu on par with the intel 6850k 6core/12 thread ($ 620).
I am aiming for second hand pc.. Atm I don't want to spend 1000euro for pc.. baby coming soon, wedings and so on.. :) For new pc , I would go for AMD and radeon , price/performance for QC is better then intel + nvidia.
Nvidia has a software based scheduler (secret for their stellar dx11 perfornance), but it will never get as much gains as amd does with dx12/vulkan under current and next gen cards. AMD has pushed real hard with async compute and hardware level schedulers on GCN. I mean I see 50+% performance boost under DooM vulkan on my setup. Also do not forget that the major conslows (ps4/ps4 pro/xbone/sbscorpio) are 100% based on AMD (cpu+gpu) and since a lot of games are made for conslows and then ported to pc, amd will automatically get optimized titles for their hardware (similar x86/64+GCN are used on their pc hardware).
I hope Intel does something interesting with x299 it seems they are panicking over amd's ryzen... I mean the 7740K looks like a desperate move on X299. AMD will also release high core/thread quad channel parts around that time.
Exciting times ahead, hoping for some healthy competition from all hardware vendors.
U are right, and i am thinking of an amd system too. But right now the i7 7700k and an 1080ti is top in gaming. Nothing amd can do here. Vega? Its not here yet... we have to wait... and than we see how it performs even vs 1080ti in dx11 or 12 vs vulkan amd.
One thing that made me curious is that almost every review of a ryzen cpu used a 1080/1080ti. It has been shown that there are some issues with nividia's drivers on ryzen, the performance is severely handicaped in some cases... The same was not verified with an amd gpu (dual rx480's), since it performed as expected on both systems.
Recent investigations have also shown that the frame times appear to be more consistent on ryzen systems, leading to that "smooth" feeling that people are talking about.
In terms of raw average fps sure, 7700k+1080ti are on top, even if sometimes it is a stuttery mess :P
Why? They are releasing X299 earlier than they wanted, pushing 4.5GHz 4C/8T 7740K Kaby Lake X cpus on their HEDT enthusiast platform (which is insane?), at the same time they will release their Sky Lake X cpus that will top out at 12C/24T. And these news came out after the benchs that were leaked of AMD's 16C/32T quad channel cpus.
Right before Ryzen was released intel was sending e-mails to the reviewers on how they should benchmark their cpus vs Ryzen. Atm there is no reason to buy an HEDT Intel Platforn, unless you really need a 10C/20T $1700 6950X. AMD Mainstream ryzen made Intel's HEDT platform almost obsolete (same performance for less than half the price if you take into account motherboard+ram etc...), also amd's smt is more efficient than intel's HT.
The have iterated on same architecture since the ix 2xxx series of cpus, with minor architectural improvements and increased clock speeds... Also amd have scored some major deals on the server market because of ryzen, which is where the cpu makers make them fat stacks of cash.
Not sure about this specific combination but from what I've seen games performance is much more dependent on the GPU than the CPU -meaning that I could probably have the same fps with an old single core 3GHZ CPU from 2005 with a gtx950 -although newer CPUs use some optimization here and there
The 1060 should be strong enough for low-mid settings. Only bottleneck would be the CPU, and I personally will wait for Ryzen 5 benchmarks for QC as I think they may be an affordable alternative to an i5.
That would then be a good workstation + Quake/esport machine. For upcoming games or if you want 4k you will need to invest 1k+ atm as r4pe pointed out.
thing is what u want to archive.. my goal is to have the power for 250min fps.. since QL feels so nice with it. i can live with 720p for that but it means there has to be some scaling curz the monitor is 1080p@144hz nativ.
so the best thing what i need (btw the most ppl that like max fps) is a grafikcard that can handle 1080p at minimum 250fps with lowGfx settings.. but atm we dont know how QC brings for exemple enemymodels.. it can be done by postprocessing or something that means u have to set some settings on high!
this brings us to the processor. ryzen 5 1600x looks nice for applications and future games that need more cores but we are here for playing QC and that for the next years. dont know if QC need that many cores or will be optimized later for it. as an allrounder r5 1600x looks better on paper but if u realy buy only for QC it can be better to have min. 4core with max Ghz. btw read somewhere they run a r5 1600x at 6Ghz ;)
dont forget if u want to save money and buy a cheaper CPU to overclock it u mostly need better cooling and have to use more power so the price will be like the same as buying a i7 7700k with 4.2Ghz out of the box for 350euro.
problems is, on my notebook, QC doesn't even start.. I guess its to low spec. So I can't play beta.. So I need pc.. but I can wait and live without beta days..
i am one notebook too.. but i got lucky and get no key ;)
even if i get a key i would go to a friend or internetcafe to play some hours and see how the game feels. if i like it maybe i would buy now.. dont know.
i buyed a pc extra for doom3 and later got punished for it curz the game was shit.
i dont want to make the same mistake again.
right now i think a gtx 1070 8GB is minimum for the game and i dont want to spend 450 euro. my hopes go for Vulkan and AMD and a card for 250euro.
im fairly sure a 1060 6gb will be more than sufficient to even run mid settings at 144hz (1080p and 100% render scale - especially combined with a cpu that isnt older than 2015.
i ran an unoptimized qc beta with an i5 (3450, not OC) and an ati HD radeon 7850 (not OCed) at around 80-100 frames at 1080p and 75% render scale. and this hardware was like mid tier in 2012.
from what i unterstand it is for better imagequality. letz say u have an old game like QL with textures for 4k. so u scale down the 4k to ur 1080nativ monitor and it looks better than 1080@100% scaling.
maybe it can work on the low end.. so scaling down 720p even more..
oh u edit ur post. 1080p scaled 75% means 810p, right?
Depends on your PC really. It's still pretty clear on anything above 75%. Starts to get a little blurry etc below that, but its still playable even on like 50% so feel free to turn it down if you have a potato.
It is oc naturally, so 4ghz for 4 cores, then it goes up to 4.4ghz if needed.
Tried to overclock my 1060 6gb and had to restart my games cause they all jitterd and shut down...guess theres more to overclocking then setting extra hertz...voltage etc :((
Another benchmark. For now the 1060 (and higher obviously) seems to be in a nice spot. But Doom showed that the RX 480/580 have more potential if used with Vulkan.