I immediately close any stream that features Clutch.

I feel the urge to close any stream featuring clutch (unless strenx is playing) and to quit any game where the opponent selects anarki

robot wars is just sad
- awkward and unsatisfying movement
- unjustified overpower
- anti-quakish
- zero creative
- very boring to watch

playing vs anarki
- it is simply disgusting. I understand that it is fun for the ppl who play him, but for the rest of the ppl it is just super annoying playing vs him and not hitting anything, it is just not fun. Even when u frag him, it feels like a dirty job that needed to be done, in order to have some fun after. On the other hand Sorlag has also CPM movement and she is also strong, but it is fun playing against her, because u can actually hit her.
- fraging anarki is too random
- anarki's movement is nice to spec, but devs need to make him hitable and punish anarki players cruising around the map without any caution. if k1llsen has trouble fraging a "good" anarki, then what the rest of us can do?

every tournament whenever it comes to the important stages, he's basically always the #1 pick, and theres a reason for it, hes a fucking fast tank.

except that this is not true, see the results of my second meta report, stats are from ro16 on or winner bracket quarter finals on

Alright, I didnt phrase it correctly. Let me retry:

Whenever it comes to difficult games (equally skilled opponents), everybody picks clutch.

And btw, that meta report, do you realize that you could fuck up the future of quake with ur shortsighted observations? U should stop doing them because I think u dont see the bigger picture.

How to unplus?

I think you need to click on "Logout" (top right)

oh come on, ro16 ESL matches are do. or die, everyone is going to pick the champs they think will win them the match. And at least 2/3 matches from 125 cups matches I included are between equally skilled players.

And no I did not know that my shortsighted observations (what's shortsighted about them?) can fuck up the future of quake, please enlighten me

Well from what I've seen, the top 20 players in eu/na (minus rapha, he doesnt need it) always pick clutch first.

And your statistics are obviously true, but concluding from them that theres no problem with clutch is shortsighted to me, considering what I mentioned before. It can be dangerous because, on the surface, your conclusion seems right, and I imagine many will use that as a reference in this discussion. Let's see.

but i never made a conclusion like that? i was just reporting on his pickrate

im even advocating to nerf clutch: http://www.esreality.com/post/2882373/patch-n...24-update/

i have little doubt that we will see clutchs numbers going up anyway and the real story about champion balance at the top will be told at the lan tournaments coming up.

Rapha always picks Clutch. He was playing clutch even when nobody else was.

Beside, in an official tourney with actual prizes, you can bet Rapha would pick the most useful/effective characters.

He's a pragmatic player, unlike Cypher that throws away tournaments wins trying to play unplyable characters.

Yeah, the movement looks gross.

I dont like crutch movements, but at least is something of unique in this game.
They should nerf other stats, no sense it's the heaviest tank and also the fastest, -25hp/-25armor and more cd could work

His movement is unique? Its just UT dodge.

You know there are players who like UT dodge, also it's unique because in UT you couldn't combo it with movement of Quake, the ways players are utilizing it is already like nothing you could see before in either of games.

Clutch has advantages, undoubtedly asking for balancing of current trends, far from "overpowered", but the only shortsighted thing in topic is your whining.

The combination of UT dodge and strafejumping is technically unique, but far from interesting.

The second part of your comment is eloquent but with 0 substance, like everything u post.

I am just not willing to spend time at the moment to involve in hard discussions why Clutch is not balanced. It can wait.

By the way, your initial post has less substance than you have gray matter.

It can wait? Phew, Im relieved now. And my initial post is unstructured and repetetive, but still has more substance than pseudo-insights like "it can wait"

I rather not say anything than whine and write gibberish.

Alright, since we hit a deadend, Im gonna make a poll and see what people think

In quake yes, like nyx walljump.
I dont like it, but still new here in q serie

Well yea, they are new to Quake, I thought that you mean new in general :d

it's not ut dodge at all wtf? We are not dashing off of the air???? Plus, we never ever go this far. It's really a terrible comparison.

EDIT: as someone pointed out above, indeed, the closest you have from UT dodges are Nyx's walljumps just instead of being lateral dodges, they are vertical. Ppl saying clutch has UT movements probably never played any UT, cant be.

his movement is clunky and horrible to watch. i hate his shield too, seeing 2 players standing in each other's faces with the shield activated is retarded.

we just need a craig charles announcer for this shit.

I like clutch, not playing him but really fun to watch players who can control that awkward movement. However he is a little bit op because of the insta acceleration, but other than that he is fine.

I havent played clutch, but he looks easy to control, so either ur trying to bullshit me or u just suck (shame about the effort)

Well if you put your dildo stuck in your ass out and joined a game and tried him you would clearly understand why I call his movement awkward (aka not easy, not hard, just weird).

I think we both can agree that quake is a very fast game where you by instinct tap ceveral keys per second to navigate the map? Now imagine they introduce this movement mechanic where if you press the same key twice within a short period of time you charge away with rocket speed. To play clutch you need to run like a noob and doubletap at the direction you wanna go, or you will accidentally hit walls, which I guarantee you every pro did in the learning process of clutch. Even UT understood this movement system is retarded because of the freedom it takes away from the player, that it lets you bind a key to press together with a direction key to perform the dodgejump instead of the doubletap. Just imagine you can't even properly A + D dodge this way without flying away left or right.

But yea I guess I'm both trying to bullshit you and suck, but atleast I know what I'm talking about.

Lmao. You say "I like clutch, not playing him but really fun to watch players who can control that awkward movement." By phrasing it that way you imply that you have trouble playing him.

About the rest: What relevance does that have?

Actually I don't play him because I play mostly deathmatch, and he is not a stronk champ in that mod. It doesn't matter though because my point from start that is clutch is a cool champ but need some nerfing because of his fast insta acceleration. Your points are just accusations against me which you don't have the right to hold considering you havn't even played clutch. Seriously just try him and see what I mean.

Oh and the dildo relevance in case you forgot.

I did forget. Nice throwback :d

"Awkward" is definitely the word.

Were you bullied as a child, who the fuck holds grudges over little things like that for such a long time.

Grudges over what? I just gave my input on clutch in a clutch nerf thread. What did you self accomplish here?

Guys, stop fighting, there's enough room for both of you in my heart

For me clutch, nyx. anarki put a big dent my enjoyment of duel and there's no getting away from it due to their popularity, beyond not playing, which is why you'll see me mostly on FFA servers these days.

It has been of benefit though as I get to improve movement, level knowledge (which help with sarnath/dm6) and I have found a new sens which has improved my game in the last week by allowing me to do shots my old sens would not physically allow, which I can take back to duel when things are a bit more settled.

They can't change the game too much atm as its been this way for ages now and there is a big tourney coming up.

Man why do you use every post as an oppurtunity to write about yourself? Who cares how you are improving, an old man who learned that low sensitivity can steady his shots isnt really interesting.

Interesting last sentence tho, thats actually logical and, Im afraid, it's a probable prediction

Nor is your whining, you arrogant twat. What the fuck kind of social competence is this even? Seriously, esreality is like the asshole of the internet. The environment here is fucking toxic, and seems like basically a mixture of people whining and people competing for who can be the biggest dick.

get well soon

http://esreality.com/post/2874159/re-top-qc-p...pid2874159

You are talking about social competence when you don't even understand simple jokes?

anarki put a big dent in my enjoyment of duel

which is why you'll see me mostly on FFA servers these days

uh

I haven't played recently, but this sounds a bit...off...

Bah op, if anything id is too conservative with the game. I say bring on the drastic changes to the game on a regular basis during the beta. That's the whole point.

Nyx is way worse

Besides. Clutch is fine. I liked UT2003/4 and Warsow and this is very somewhat in between. Love it.

No, the whole point is to create an accessible Quake. If you add even more drastic changes, you will lose the Quake part.

Dire orbs, ghost walk, bull rushes, shields, totems, heroes... They already lost the quake part, they shouldn't half-ass it. They should go all in and create the OW clone they've been dreaming of.

The heroes and their abilities at least fit in the Quake lore, I feel like thats one part they didn't fuck up. Yeah it's not the pinnacle of creativity, but they didnt do anything overly gross.

But you are complaining about heroes in general, right? I think you should drop clicking on QC threads then, because it's not like they will go back on the hero-based gameplay :D

What quake lore? They retconned half the characters, and tainted every single one.

Quake was never about edgy junkies constantly saying stupid shit only because it's "cool with the kids".

Fits the lore? What little there is for Quake in general, I don't recall anything remotely resembling the shit they've done with QC. If they wanted to keep it "quake", what they should've done is start with the q1 runes. I'm not saying make copy&paste abilities from those, but start with those as a basis, then you know, get creative and start expanding upon the concept of each one.

It's like the HMG. There was no reason at all to have that gun in quake other than to say, "look, we have an assault rifle too!" The assault rilfe is the new sniper rifle (railgun). They could've gone and modified the MG or CG to fit their needs and kept it within the quake universe. But they didn't. And that's why I dislike QC. Just like the shit they did with QL, it's a blatant attempt to pander to idiots instead of making the best game possible. And just like with QL, it's not going to work. I don't care how much money they throw at tourneys, once the big money is gone, so are the players. It's shootmania 2.0.

"No, the whole point is to create an accessible Quake. If you add even more drastic changes, you will lose the Quake part."

I meant drastic changes to Quake Champions, not "the quake formula" or whatever you're thinking of. Not sure what's with people resisting change for the sake of it. The game's been stale for a decade, man. I don't care how exciting QC2016 was supposed to be. To me it was a bore fest. We need aggro to work again.

The problem with Clutch is that the game doesn't allow you to perform a more fluid form of that same mechanic. Just let me jump, boost, them jump, the boost again and again. Do it.

fucking hate clutch

you wanna solve this balancing issue? then go to the roots!

different hp/armor, different hitboxes, different speedcaps and different abilites... how you wanna balance this? Its impossible to make it fair for every champion!

An easy fix would be remove all heroes.... or at least give them all same hp/armor and hitbox

but a noob vs a skilled guy wont get a frag anymore in a fair fight.... its just not fair when the better player wins every time, right?

the selling point of qc is a quake game with different champions to accumulate different gameplay models within a single frame, otherwise this game has nothing to compete with against other popular shooters, and is propably the sole reason why it was green lit by betheseda with their funding

the game would need a new set of features to compensate that, and I am not even sure what could that be to be honest


at this point only thing we can do is trying to get across as many balance changes as we can, and try to put up with sync's way of thinking, which is completely retarded when it comes to anarki and clutch

Just reduce the shield time to like 1,5 seconds and it's fine.

still a flying tank though

Yeah, but size of a small building

Agreed. His hitbox is so big it's not that bad

Reduce max UPS too while they're at it.

Just take the nail gun and kill it

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Said in a thread here before when clutch got his movement boost that it looked op. guessed right :(

Clutch is mostly imba for its ammount of starting and max armor+hp and the ability to recover it by standing. Even fine with its shield and dodges but those huge stacks just favours too much those two kinds of players to disrespect most: +backers and allrox +forward spammers

30 seconds for an ability that powerful doesn't make much sense, the gap where Clutch is vulnerable is just too damn short when you account for the occasional, additional hourglass. That shield is an excellent multi-purpose tool to disengage and create an offensive, but similarly, in comparison with Nyx's Ghost Walk strength and parameters, Clutch's shield doesn't reflect its power and flexibility in its short cooldown, nor the rest of his attributes.

From my perspective, a higher cooldown for that shield is required and not debatable. In his current state, at least 40 seconds.

He's fast and not just plainly faster than other champions, but with an actual dodge mechanic that from my observations is an advantage by itself in combat situations (dodge to rail through passages as an example, very effective and utilized by high caliber players). He's very healthy with a passive that overall makes him more durable than he already is with an ability that basically scares away everything until its not usable anymore, all that package is not compensated by the size of his hit-box alone.

On top of a cooldown increase from 30 to 40 seconds, I advise 3 separate, optional changes. Either one of them would do for further testing.

1. Get rid of his damage reduction passive.
2. Maximum health reduction of 25.
3. Speed/Acceleration reduction of his dodge ability. It's alright that he can gain speed with the dodge, just not that much in his current form.

It's a tank you retard. Stop trying to be right and think for a second

And that matters how? For what I care it might be a unicorn, all I give a damn about is for it to be somewhat balanced.

Clutch has too many strong aspects compared to his weakness. Compare them to another tank such as scalebearer for instance.

Clutch strength:

- Tanky
- Fast movement
- Powerful ability
- Ability can be used in offense and defense
- Movement tricks allow fast jumps to weapons / armour

Clutch weakness:

- Big hitbox
- Mmore vulnerable when ability on CD (but max health & armour offsets this weakness somewhat, not sure if this is a true weakness)

Scalebearer strength:

- Tanky
- Powerful ability

Scalebearer weakness:

- Slow
- Big hitbox
- Less tanky than other tank champs
- No movement tricks to easily jump to weapons/armour
- Ability can only be used offensively, does not help defense very much as you have to turn your back to get away

That's why I think clutch is overpowered, does not have enough weakness to offset his strength. If his movement was toned down somewhat so he was still slower than the light champs he would be a bit more balanced but the movement is what really makes his power to weakness ratio out of whack.

it's all about his speed, being slow is also his weakness, but it changed after they add the Hydraulic Dodge

the dodging mechanics should be use just to "dodge" to make up for his big hitboxes, but since you can hold space to bunny hopping and keep momentum, it turns him into a race tank

+1 Clutch OP

boring to see him picked every single game

a simple nerf on his speed boost would do the trick

my argument against clutch
https://youtu.be/ww57ZtE53Ic