ESR - Quakecon 2017: Quake World Championship

That's exactly what a good portion of ESR is like, "I don't like this shit game, I go play Quake Live" attitude. And Tim Wallet just responds accordingly, I wish he said more of it.

<< Comment #765 @ 07:49 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #763

Does Tim Willits read this site?

If you've been to the beta forum, you'll know that "Just go play QL then (if you don't like what I like)" is practically a meme there used to counter any criticism.

<< Comment #778 @ 11:05 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Tripleight - Reply to #765

Guess who came up with an ignorant stance of that sort in the first place?

The inflexible veterans of Quake. From day 1 of Quake Champions surfacing there has been strict rejection from a significant part of ESR. That meme is just the equivalent of the ignorance that has been cultivated here, an appropriate response I must say.

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slux - Reply to #778

Seems very similar to the response that SC2 had among BW fans. I can somewhat understand where it's coming from but even if not everything about QC seems like an improvement it's still way more Quake than Overwatch.

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svr - Reply to #783

I find starcraft brood war more fun to watch and play though :)

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Phyrigian - Reply to #783

yes, but at least SC2 didn't fundamentally fuck itself over with limited stack-sizes

LOTV redeemed it a little, more aggressive in less head on ways (more BWish)

<< Comment #785 @ 13:35 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #778

Nah, all you really gotta do is suggest something that has been standard in Quake for years be in QC (like better visibility), and you'll get that response.

I don't think those people even read ESR.

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Tripleight - Reply to #785

No doubt it's full of ignorant shit.

They don't need to read ESR directly, have you forgot fatbiscuit and his rant about Quake? The attitude that Quake Champions is no longer the 'Quake' of the past traveled far and wide in between the ears of similarly inflexible and ignorant players that think Quake should not be anything like it used to be, despite most of the time having no knowledge of what it once was. You see, fatbiscuit popularized this nonsense.

ESR and Quake veterans started to burn about QC, opposition fueled by further ignorance added to it.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=...+champions

Fat fuck...

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<< Comment #805 @ 17:11 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #797

Yeah, that guy... certainly haven't forgotten his rant. I think his "research" into the topic is digging up other people's views from forums and regurgitating them. He definitely doesn't play like he's been playing a lot of Quake over the years, and then he calls others "pretenders and showboaters". LOL

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garz - Reply to #797

You are observing symptoms of something you have not even started to understand.

<< Comment #826 @ 04:01 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #763

He saying that has nothing to do to esr. Given his role as spokesman, he should simply know better. To exemplify:

He could say "We are not ruining your quake. Give QC a chance, and the time to evlove, and you will be pleased. And for the parts you are not happy, make sure to let us know".

That's welcoming people and telling them their opinion matters, as opposed to what he says which is dismissive, condescending, and a bit irritating as it implies "oh, you are still here? well then suck it up".

Edited by Memento_Mori at 04:02 CDT, 29 August 2017

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<< Comment #876 @ 04:59 CDT, 3 September 2017 >>

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garz - Reply to #826

True it would be more welcoming but it also would be a lie.

<< Comment #3 @ 21:19 CDT, 25 August 2017 >>

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sya_

I don't know man.

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ProT : - Reply to #3

Was easy!

<< Comment #5 @ 21:27 CDT, 25 August 2017 >>

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gbmaster ' - Reply to #5

:D

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ins ' - Reply to #5

Perfect

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gbmaster ' - Reply to #454

agreed!
wonder if he was tempted to take a short flight to Vegas and drop 30k on a ringside Mayweather ticket, a big bag of coke, booze and girls
>:D

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<< Comment #8 @ 21:36 CDT, 25 August 2017 >>

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bogOtac - Reply to #6

https://clips.twitch.tv/MushyAverageAlpacaChocolateRain

<< Comment #9 @ 21:38 CDT, 25 August 2017 >>

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ProT : - Reply to #6

Typical id. Even the QCon stage is bugged.

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<< Comment #37 @ 03:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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p0rt - Reply to #6

noctis tripped going up the stairs after he h lost

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iavoal - Reply to #37

He passed the Gravity Curse to Anton then.

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p0rt - Reply to #42

just cooller trying to be cooler with a better fall

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<< Comment #14 @ 22:53 CDT, 25 August 2017 >>

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arm-a-gedd0n

QC lesson #1: throw your predictions out the window. Dis iz so random
QC lesson #2: dont forget lesson #1
QC lesson #3: Cypher is gonna own everyone

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iavoal - Reply to #14

Nah, its not.

Agent said way before the qcon that Clawz will just rip everyone apart with his aim, and that they (in the eu, na) have never seen such aim before.

Voo was considered by many as favorite, Cooller said many times that Voo beating him in pracs regularly.

Edited by iavoal at 07:21 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #76 @ 05:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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BaMoFu - Reply to #29

And Tox beating Voo :) Think it's more down to clashes between styles, more so then it ever was in QL.

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iavoal - Reply to #76

One tourney - even the world championship - could not estimate the absolute strongest player. It just shows who was the best in that particular tourney, that's it.

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<< Comment #214 @ 12:24 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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c1 - Reply to #83

a random luck game (qc) wont show the strongest player but the luckiest

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BaMoFu - Reply to #214

It definately comes down to execution more than ever before. All players have ridicolous high skill, doubt luck has much to do with it though. It's about being able to adapt to the new physics and rulesets. New game and all that. Skillsets that were kept in high regard in earlier iterations might not serve you as well in QC.Though some skills definately transcribes good, look at Coller's and Agent's playstyles, plusback and wait until you have your opponent where you want him and then strike, just like they did in QL/Q3, and just like in QL/Q3 it works (only not as good) until you face a player with superb execution.

<< Comment #96 @ 06:55 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gbmaster ' - Reply to #29

I thought the same about Raisy tbh, thought his aim would see him all the way! shame that he bumped into the wall and took that rail vs Rapha!

Clawz v Raisy would have been an absolutely insane final, probably over within 15 mins!

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<< Comment #100 @ 07:08 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #96

within 6 to 8 minutes i guess

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principezwatrem - Reply to #96

Raisy seems far more inexperienced than Clawz.

Plays all time aggressive and can't choose the right situations. Clawz played the same the first map againsta Cooller.

Then his brain started working again.

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mala - Reply to #104

correct...completely inexperienced.(fatal mistakes)

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #29

Agent makes a lot of predictions on his stream, many of which don't come true. I knew about his prediction that clawz will win this QC. It doesn't make the new Quake Champions duel mode less random..

Cooller also said years ago strenx beat him in 90% of the games online but on lan cooller somehow consistently managed to come out on top

The reasons for the randomness in QC duel have been listed already:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2888454/quakecon-2017-quake-world-championship-day-2/#pid2888495

<< Comment #539 @ 19:46 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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JDub - Reply to #29

Clawz never showed that much consistency in his quake live aim, this is unexpected.

Whats really suprising though is that other aim whores couldnt get their aim to a similar state as clawz (k1llsen, toxic, evil). Cypher seemed to aim as well as clawz when he streamed, hopefully he breaks out of RU elo hell at some point.

I wonder just how much strenx/k1llsen/toxic practiced, how much of their inconsistency is down to age? Admitedly none of them were that strong -unless- they had been no-lifing it and were in top form. It will be interesting to see how many of them stick to QC and rise up in future tournaments.

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c1 - Reply to #539

I dont get it how he could win with his lg aim while aimwhores like strenx/tox.... maybe he was just lucky

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Lw)f - Reply to #545

Well it could be due to the particular settings they were playing in ql and that aren't really available in qc?

I know that Strenx used cg_truelightning 0.8 for example. I mean, obliviously his, their, aim strength is not ONLY related to settings (reaction time, enemy dodge countering, positioning, etc...) but it could play.

It seems as clear as water they would always aim/track way above par no matter what but the few %tage missing compared to Clawz are maybe there? I think someone playing optimally with cg_true lightning 0.8 and timenudge -20 for years will miss a few more percent if he plays truelightning 1 and timenudge 0 . Matches sometimes are down to the enemy surviving with 5-6hp and at this level.

Killsen's , Tox's and Clawz' lg are crazy tbh; Strenx also but it seems a tad bit less than in ql (could be mistaking)

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c1 - Reply to #668

im not sure but I think there isnt any cg_truelightning in ql or there was no need for it cuz improved netcode.

Its true strenx actually used zoomfov 70 for lg in ql so this plays a part... but tox doesnt.
Tox had great aim at qcon and I highly doubt clawz lg hit harder but we will never know... cuz no stats, no pov demos and no pov vods.

btw those pov switches ingame ... made me want to kill some1

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<< Comment #718 @ 18:24 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Emenike - Reply to #545

He is just better.

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goodmania - Reply to #539

Aim whore?!? You are disrepectful....

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xemorx - Reply to #564

Yep, aimsluts would be a little bit more polite here :D

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Edited by bogOtac at 21:34 CDT, 25 August 2017

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goodmania - Reply to #7

LOL

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xemorx - Reply to #7

that's simply hilarious! :D
makaveli managed to skip it in a very fluent manner

Edited by xemorx at 05:28 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #7

Zoot's glance to the camera

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baksteen - Reply to #7

Would be perfect if the frame zoomed in to zoot's smirk after that handshake attempt

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*creep - Reply to #135

here you go http://imgur.com/a/DjF10

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<< Comment #260 @ 13:52 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #207

rofl :D

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sonic - Reply to #207

Edited by sonic at 17:44 CDT, 26 August 2017

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K9-makaveli - Reply to #207

lol

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #7

What a save!

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anal justice - Reply to #7

artosis and idra

http://i.imgur.com/WClxwie.gif

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atfab - Reply to #7

lmao looks like father time hasn't caught up yet with makaveli, great reactions

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Weird '

Not extremely on topic but ow well ;)

so I played a bit today.....
I air rocketed an opponent and the explosion and all was drawing, rocket did 0 damage and no medal... afterwards I got fragged by an invisible anarki....
But ow well at least my sens is finally fixed after half a year or something. So maybe I might try to improve a bit regardless. Seems like there's enough money there ;) (dunno if I can force myself enough through)

Go Vo0 though ;)

Edited by Weird at 22:37 CDT, 25 August 2017

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<< Comment #13 @ 22:41 CDT, 25 August 2017 >>

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Unho - Reply to #12

so glad we have this diary for mankinds sake

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<< Comment #48 @ 04:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ogdiabz - Reply to #13

The early access heartless

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Weird ' - Reply to #13

thanks for your kind words

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Infuscomus - Reply to #12

Stop complaining and play FFS. You definitely have some talent considering what you could achieve in QL so go, there is no reason that you cannot do well and even in the end enjoy QC.

Netcode and all bugs are frustrating, but it's not an excuse to not play the game at all. Plus, they might be fixed if the Almighty Vadrigar intervene and make id / Saber move, so all is not lost !

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Weird ' - Reply to #61

the largest reason I didn't play up till now was just lack of time and that the sensitivity was bugged for certain mice (g303 which I have for instance) which made the game feel truly unplayable.(I never have a hard time getting a sensitivity right but when they added in the accel code my mouse continuously went insane.. So I played it a bit before than but not after that until a day ago.)
At least that bug is now gone so I am finally able to aim a bit again.

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cha0z_ - Reply to #12

It's a rough start, but I am sure atleast the absurd bugs/lags will be fixed in the next few patches.

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Weird ' - Reply to #88

let's hope...
The bugs are extremely strange though so I have little faith in a quick resolution...
It kinda seems to show that the code behind the game is really strangely setup with partially different hit detection for different weapons / body parts / etc.

Edited by Weird at 07:51 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Serious - Reply to #12

Greetings from the invisible anarki ))))))))))))

Weird is 100% right about those 0 damage rockets though.

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Weird ' - Reply to #90

yo, you played well man.
It's kinda annoying that that the better I started to play the more bugs arose. Like my non registering RL or your non registering rail or the several instances where stuff just wasn't drawn (model / projectiles).
It seems difficult to have trust in yourself with engagements and stuff if random shit like that happens too often (like it did in our game).

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Serious - Reply to #114

Stuff like that happens waaaay more often here in QC though, like, its literally unbelivable. I guess it's still early and most of it will probably get fixed in the next few months. My shitty wifi was also affecting it probably (btw I saw that mid-air pass trough my face)

Edited by Serious at 08:05 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Weird ' - Reply to #123

on my screen it actually exploded on impact on your model... was reasonably high on the model but dunno if it was as high as your face... I really didn't get why you weren't dead and how to proceed after that though... I think I swapped to mg and tried to get the last ticks... but you still had 90hp prolly (I put you on -10 after the midair as I counted it for 100)

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<< Comment #134 @ 08:35 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ScanX - Reply to #12

so many years and you're still an absolute whiny bitch...fuckin hell

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Weird ' - Reply to #134

I just call it as it is.
This 'lets try and talk our way through all of the bugs like they aren't there' which is happening on stream is understandable (and reasonably good) but there has to be some sort of feedback that the game simply sucks from a pure technical pov.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #134

Whole ESR bitch about shitty game - kk.
Weird writes same shit - whatawhinybitch.pdf 1337 pages long.

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<< Comment #220 @ 12:46 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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lewl - Reply to #12

hope you'll learn to navigate this site in the future and find the qc opinion/feedback thread

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Weird ' - Reply to #220

I already gave all feedback that is still relevant on the bethesda forum like 6 months ago or something? After my first beta games...
They haven't really fixed much.
Since I posted my feedback they just broke my sens which they now fixed... And the FPS have improved drastically. Otherwise all feedback is still up somewhere there.

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lewl - Reply to #226

Just keep trying at the bethesda forums man, maybe they'll hear you.

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Weird ' - Reply to #228

well it was closed beta meaning I wasn't allowed to post here?
And since I dislike repeating myself I posted it once, on time, accurate. That they are braindeads is out of my hands

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lewl - Reply to #252

You can always create a new thread at this site. This is, however, the topic for QuakeCon QC tournament. Hope you find the right forum.

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Weird ' - Reply to #254

and what would that gain me?
I actually preferred to post on bethesda forums as people there hardly whined at my posts as if they are anything but criticism.

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lewl - Reply to #262

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe you should stick to Bethesda forums if you preferred it.

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Weird ' - Reply to #277

they are different things... I used the official ways to give feedback to ID, I use esr to just make more casual remarks and talk about quake.

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lewl - Reply to #281

Yes, maybe you can find an appropriate topic for those casual remarks or even make an entirely new thread.

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evilbollweevil

I really hope that someone there can motivate and organize a huge group photo of this many storied and veteran players together.
When is the next time that Evil, Spartie, Noctis, Fazz, Rapha, Dahang, Toxic, Cooller, Vo0, Killsen, Avek, Garpy will be in the same room?
Maybe have the older players standing and have Clawz, Raisy, et. al. take a knee in front?

Shop in damn Cypher, Pavel, Matrox.
I'll just be the 201st person to say wtf Cypher not there :((((

Edited by evilbollweevil at 23:07 CDT, 25 August 2017

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TUMULT - Reply to #15

yep this should happen

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BaMoFu - Reply to #15

Dreamhack winter? ;)

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<< Comment #16 @ 23:20 CDT, 25 August 2017 >>

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Whipas

That interview with clawz.... if hes actually like that, what an arrogant douche. If not then sorry not sorry. The world mourns over coollers loss tonight.

The game needs some sort of slow down/ map control. Right now, as much as I'd like to play (providing my hobo ass can muster up the 30$ for the game), I feel that duels are all about aim now. And there's really no fluidity, it's just who will win that fight. Cause everything is rinse and repeat kinda.
They have to find a way to include more map control, or prevent stacking up so fast... Idk...

Coollers play on 1st map was genuinely interesting, later on it just became a 1300 elo match.

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goodmania - Reply to #16

No!!!! No more slow game like quake live.....it suits people with less talent and boring defensive players....its needs to speed up the game more.....

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #56

No more slow game like Quake Live.

> Quake Champions

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goodmania - Reply to #16

Speeding up and Stacking up fast is more fair game because otherwise it always give too much advantage to a player who gets the major items....if you get major items, you beat somebody who is more talented and has better aim than you?!? That's not fair. A game should conpensate players with more talent and better aims, not provide inferior players ways to beat superior players by playing defensively.....making game who gets the items will win no matter the talent is a zero sum monopoly game and all about captalize on item advantages and about not making mistakes rather than fair and speedy game....

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #55

Timing is also a talent you know, you just prefer aim over control, i find strategy and item control more interesting than in your face aim.

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Whipas - Reply to #84

I just think that theres no long term cause and effect, no long term game strategy. Imo now it seems that you can't really plan ahead for 2 minutes or something like that. It's just basic situations that keep repeating themselves, and its mostly down to the shots.

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #150

Yep, its a less strategic game than all the previous quakes.

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Whipas - Reply to #153

And that's super sad cause I really wanted to get into quake, make it the only game I play. But everytime I play, I just feel frustrated that those chip shots don't rlly matter most of the time. Well I'm just repeating myself.

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #166

Theyre still tweaking it so dont lose hope yet!

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goodmania - Reply to #84

quake champion is more balanced game than quake live in my opinion but still unfairly favors item control over aim. yes item control is a talent too as aim but what's wrong about quake live is that it gives too much advantage to item control talent over aim talent. it makes the game painfully slow and defensive, boring to watch you know, to gain more spectator, you gotta make equal advantages to both aim and item controls or in my opinion give slight more advantages to aim more than item controls because it would make game more fast paced and more fun to watch and play. there is not huge difference between aim talents among humans but when you win item control, having 200+ more stack is like too much advantage and monopoly.

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stripy - Reply to #563

nop. currently is skewed to the side of pure fighting skills.

Hoping it doesn't stay this way. Coz then its only fun to play and spec at times, but the repetition makes it one dimensional and boring.

It the primary goal is to make it attractive to newcomers, the focus should be to make
*sacrifice more understandable - the hud information presentation is severely lacking (what team are you specing, what player are you specing, to much redundant information etc. constant switching to ppl dying, etc)
*working matchmaking

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goodmania - Reply to #571

I beg to differ.......quake champion is still skewed to the side of item control because slow maps from quake live is still almost identical and items still give you so much stack.....it needs to be faster and compliment your aim more by reducing the stacks of items to be more balanced game.....giving you too much stack of each major item is like giving you increased bonus 100 damage to a better aimer.....not to mention aiming is harder work than item control....

Edited by goodmania at 13:47 CDT, 27 August 2017

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #691

So what you want is a game that is all aim.

Items in QC are FAR weaker than in any other Quake game. There's a lot of risk in going for them, but not a huge reward.

The difference between what you get with control and without control is small: 100 hp+ap over what you can get with minor items that can't really be controlled due to short respawn time.

Percentage difference between minimum and maximum stacks is much less.

Nyx and Anarki: 75/25 at spawn. 125/100 at full stack with full map control.
That's 100 vs 225, or 125% benefit.

QL: 100/0 vs 200/200. 100 vs 400, or 300% benefit.

If it was less "skewed toward the side of items control", there'd be no item control at all.

I actually don't understand the fascination with raw aim. It can be impressive, but it practically derives from what one could think of as your brain "frame rate". Not much you can really do to overcome it with intellect in an all-aim game. No strategies you can really learn. You can be like in this clip posted elsewhere here:

https://clips.twitch.tv/ToughCalmWebBlargNaut

Be ambushed by a wild Cooller with a full stack on the tankiest champ, take a second to react, and still win in a way that requires no thought whatsoever.

Aiming, practically an animal type function, is important for sure, but it is definitely not harder than actually having to think about what you're doing or having to study and learn methods to work around your physical limitations.

Edited by CaptainTaichou at 01:11 CDT, 28 August 2017

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goodmania - Reply to #737

no, what i am saying is that quake live is a game that is all items no aim...virtually no compensation for good aim at all.....i don't think sticking to items because of huge advantage it gives is strategies....

okay the link you gave is a good example of fairness of quake champ, cooller was smarter than clawz so he had more stack, but clawz has better aims that overcomes stack advantage of cooller...if it is in quake live, cooller would have huge stack that would make clawz's better aim into no effect...now that's not fair...

too much advantage from items makes the game too defensive, slow and unfair.

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #745

Any advantage achieved from means other than aim is "unfair" to you.

You need good aim to win in QL. But good aim alone won't let you win most of the time. That's what CA is for.

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goodmania - Reply to #751

There is no aim advantage....i think you are biased.....in quake live, item gives you so much stack advantage which put natural talent obsolete....there still is a item advantage in qc....

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #781

Why should "natural talent" be rewarded more than something people worked to cultivate?

And you call me biased?
Yeah, I am biased toward the game being like Quake has always been.

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goodmania - Reply to #786

I dont understand how is simply going there where the item is hard work...having huge stack adalvantage by simply picking up items sound more like monopoly to me than hardwork....okay quake has been like this but quake live especially of last patches were too extremely...also .people have complained exactly how they gradually reduce the damage of lg slow down the speed of the game from patch after patch...

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #811

If it is so easy, why aren't you doing it?

Map control is HARD.

...because y'know the other guy wants those items too, and even if he doesn't take them, he can punish you for trying.

Actually going to the item isn't hard, but developing the brain to make the right decisions is---thinking about something more than where your crosshair should be in the next quarter of a second.

I think this should all be really obvious.

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goodmania - Reply to #813

aim is not hard to you?!? aim needs proper position, anticipation of where opponent is, what weapons to choose, calculating speed of a weapon, anticipation of direction of opponent is going, and dodge and knowing when to withdraw etc etc...i would say aim is more harder than item pick ups and needs brain too...

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #815

I never said aim wasn't hard.
You are saying map control is easy.
If it is easy, you should be doing it, and no one would have a "monopoly" depriving you of winning due to your unearned "natural talent" you seem to think you have.

Most of that stuff you listed isn't "raw aim" anyway, but that's another matter.

Edited by CaptainTaichou at 07:33 CDT, 29 August 2017

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goodmania - Reply to #830

so I think monopoly should be now done and made game more fair and faster and aggressive....you were talking about the other matters also in picking up items...

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #843

Nah, you just want which skills are rewarded and in which proportions to change. This has nothing to do with "fairness".

Less map control than QC offers is NO map control.

I was never talking about "picking up items". I was talking about map control, which is all the strategy that goes into being able to "pick up items".

When you refer to "natural talent", what are you talking about?
If you want to assume there is natural talent for positioning, anticipation, weapon selection, etc, which there may well be, then you could just as well assume there is natural talent for controlling items on the map.

If you do that, then the idea that system does not reward "natural talent" as you say is wrong.

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goodmania - Reply to #844

okay controlling item is a natural talent, but I was referring to those talents as natural talent because, there is no bonus reward in having a better aim as in getting items which grant you huge bonus reward, so getting award from items seem artificial setup to me as opposed to aim that reward you only the amount you hit. items are there for giving advantage to those who get it, so it's a fun factor in the game but giving too much stack is too much advantage. if you remove items completely, it will be pure competition of aim so adding items bring a different factor of a game which combines different skill sets to play a game. as removing the items, giving too much energy for item pick up makes game almost pure competition of item control as in quake live. in fairness, you gotta find the right balance to compliment both skill sets.

Edited by goodmania at 17:54 CDT, 29 August 2017

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #846

How can you say there is no advantage to having better aim?
You melt people's stacks quicker and from more disadvantageous positions, so they need a BIGGER stack than you just to face you.

Deathmatch has been about picking up items since original Doom. It's a core part of the game. It's what makes people have to be places and not just camp it up.

If you don't like that, I doubt Quake is the game for you. No one with bad aim really wins in any Quake, but having the best aim shouldn't guarantee you a win either---because it's not a one-skill game.

Items in QC are already quite weak as I explained before, so if that is not enough, the only thing you could really want is CA.

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goodmania - Reply to #847

qc is a better game than ql but still i want this faster and more exciting game....some players in ql are so boring to watch like rapha and evil....ql is a fun game to watch but favoring those defensive players who play like extreme defense frustrate me...agent is extremely fun to watch even though he is a item focused player because he seems a very quick thinker and act quickly and being aggressive despite his not so good aim....i also saw many people complaining about game being too slow and too defensive...qc is on right track and still has some to improve from now on....

Edited by goodmania at 18:29 CDT, 29 August 2017

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #848

TBH I don't find constant aggression any more enjoyable to watch than constant defensiveness. I like to see a dose of cleverness in what the players are doing even though it doesn't have to be mind blowing. I usually enjoy watching both Rapha and Evil. Is Evil now a defensive player?

I find most of QC really boring to spectate. A lot of the time it is very defensive, and that has nothing to do with the fact there are items. It has to do with the high risk of confrontation, which is a byproduct of small stacks among other things.

It's funny you bring up Agent as exciting when he isn't known for his aim at all, so clearly there is more to this game being exciting than rewarding only aim.

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goodmania - Reply to #849

aggression is what fun is..... I am not saying evi is a defensive player but his style seems boring to me, i don't know why and rapha is the most boring player i ever watched in quake live.... the game should not encourage extreme slow defensive style like his. it would compel spectators out of boredom..... I love agent playing because he is a quick thinker. I am saying game should encourage attacking style regardless of how good someone's aim is...

yes i agree QC is still very defensive game and can be more defensive than QL if you choose to play defensive but clawz showed how it should be played. QC should be fixed to encourage more attacking style playing because i am very afraid that it can encourage more to abuse defensive playing than quake from some long matches....

Edited by goodmania at 19:50 CDT, 29 August 2017

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #851

I think there is more to it than just aggression to make it enjoyable to watch. CA can have a lot of aggression, but it is boring as hell to watch. If there is some build up to the frag or some artifice in what the player is doing, it gives more meaning to the frag, and it makes it a bit more special than the million other frags you've seen in the history of watching Quake, regardless of how skillfully executed.

If your aim is not the best, you need to be able to get some other kind of advantage over your opponent. Stack has always been one of the usual ways to do that.

My guess is Clawz can get away with that style because of his confidence he won't miss.

If you can't just reliably out-aim the competition every time, then without any map control, it is just gonna be people trying to avoid each other until one of them can pull off an ambush or get positional advantage, and that becomes harder to do when the opponent isn't so readable because he has no item you can expect him to want to go for.

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goodmania - Reply to #853

CA is same example of QL....it's boring only defense or only aggression....you have to have combination of both to be fair and fun game....Q3 is better than QL but ID made q3 more and more defensive to be ql and even in ql they make already extremely defensive game more defensive gradually patch after patch for just to suit the game more to their country man rapha's extreme defensive style..and they lose people in return....hope they wake up and stop doing the conspiracy make fair game now...

Edited by goodmania at 18:44 CDT, 30 August 2017

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Freiya - Reply to #781

Care to share your qlstats?

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stripy - Reply to #691

don't agree. Item (weapons, health) control, positioning, timing, planing ahead. spawn control, dodging, etc etc should not fall way behind pure aim skill.

You are basically describing rocket/clan arena 1v1.

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goodmania - Reply to #750

What i mean is that game should be fair......in quake live, item advantage is too huge that one who gets the items beat better talented players....item advantage is too huge in quake live that the game itself becomes unfair...

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neeple - Reply to #782

They arent better or more talented players if they cant get the items

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goodmania - Reply to #784

Okay my point they are more talented in item picke ups but another one was more talented in aim and dodge....quake live is unfair between these two talents. ...

Edited by goodmania at 20:29 CDT, 28 August 2017

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Nukm - Reply to #812

what do you even mean when you say "fair" its completely arbitary considering that having better aim obviously is huge advantage in every single quake game

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #812

There's no such a thing as 'fair' or 'right' when you are comparing game designs. Any set of rules defines a different game in its own right, and people may like it, have fun with it, and thing its good. If that's not the case, then you can say the design sucks.

And to add my 2 cent, people are really bad at predicting what they would like or dislike. I've seen it countless of times that a certain design idea turns out to make the game quite different than one thought.

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aeoL - Reply to #16

Coollers the same except he hides it with complements ;)

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Whipas - Reply to #17

FUN AND FRIENDSHIP

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fasolke - Reply to #16

Actually i think what Clawz said was normal. There is nothing wrong with being confident and dont by shy about it. Its truth, that theres no accidents, only cause and effect. He clearly put his money where his mouth is.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #16

I still don't understand all the negativity and bashing about Clawz interview...

I understand Cooller is awesome and that you prefer his style (which allowed him to win many games vs aim-heavy players so in the end slow games are sometimes paying), but I just don't hear anything shocking or insulting in Clawz interview.

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Sandslash - Reply to #16

Go read a nover you sissynanny if you need humbleness and sympathy.

I saw nothing arrogant about clawz.

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aeoL - Reply to #18

sieg heil

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xemorx - Reply to #18

is it vo0's papa proud of his son?

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qwih

Shout outs to xron!!!!

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tony

loving quake champions duel

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xemorx

The best thing about this qcon is having the stream with cypher commenting, giving his insights and highlights about the stuff happenning in all these crazy matches. I bet this explicit verbal analysis will give cypher much advancement in his own future strategies making him even more efficient and surprising to his opponents.

Honestly, I always saw cypher as an infantile eccentic and a bit shallow yet cute figure. Now I see him as having definitely matured while still reserving a pleasant childish stance, which I certainly respect.

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xgo - Reply to #23

he was commenting on his twitch channel?

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xemorx - Reply to #119

Yeah, it's here https://www.twitch.tv/quakeruhub

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13m3 - Reply to #23

if only I knew russian...

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nvc

Really happy for Vo0 after the runners up cup and his legacy, glad he got this shot. Same for claws, nice guy. Glhf to both!

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xemorx - Reply to #25

don't you feel disturbed about that family picture under vo0's monitor? =)

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BaeSt - Reply to #120

It's a shitload of money.

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filo - Reply to #25

the final battle is gona be impressive.

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megaman3

Congrats to Vo0 and Clawz. You both deserve it so much, since you two always played Quake for the enjoyment and not for the money (CPMA and QL after ESL/DH).

I'll be cheering for Vo0 though, as old school > new school.

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #26

oh ffs, it's CPM and you know it

nobody says "oh I loved it when he played OSP"

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megaman3 - Reply to #39

I just had forgotten that 15 year old term. I mean Vo0 represents CPM and playing Quake for the enjoyment, instead of being a mercenary like half of the guys in this tournament are and always were.

And Clawz represents that as well; playing because he likes Quake.

Edited by megaman3 at 03:57 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Sandslash - Reply to #40

Who doesn't like quake?? You can't win unless you like the game. Never seen anyone succeeding without the love for the process they succeed at.

Give me 1 name of the mercenary that according to you does not like quake.

edit. my bad for misunderstanding

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Ian215 - Reply to #79

I think he means the opposite: players who love quake but play other games where money goes

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megaman3 - Reply to #82

And while that happened Voo stayed in CPM (in the Q3 OSP days) and clawz stayed in QL (OW days). They love Quake more than the mercenaries do.

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roymagic

when is the final?

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qwih

there exist approx ~100000 kinds of aims but Clawz somehow has them all lol

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sTPHN - Reply to #30

LG is pretty OP in QC though. No denying it.

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xemorx

Clawz giving shaft (cypher and shad1ch commenting)
https://clips.twitch.tv/ToughCalmWebBlargNaut

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Ian215 - Reply to #31

Ye that 1vs1, clawz wasnt ready with lg at the beginning lol.
But coollers lg was good in this qcon

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cha0z_ - Reply to #31

Cooller hit good in that fight, but clawz is clawz.

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rockdaddy

Voo and clawz in final . Depest of respect but something is wrong with this game.

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goodmania - Reply to #32

Quake live is wrong game and Quake champion is fair game.....quake live is too slow that favours defensive players more and too item focused which dont compensate aim talented player unfairly....

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p0rt - Reply to #32

been playing Q43A on the sligh for 5 years previous to QC

besides the champions and straffing around corners, its the same gameplay with the default settings

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megaman3 - Reply to #32

Different games means different top players. In Quake it so happened that vanilla Q3/QL was played for over a decade so it was dominated by the same players, but that doesn't mean the top Q3/QL players are going to dominate all Quakes or all games, or that they have to be the best at something to give it credibility.

For example in the two periods Quake had its biggest prize pools (Q4 and QC) the Q3 duel guys weren't remotely close to winning the biggest tournaments. Only cooller was and that's the only one guy. Heck, yesterday in the semis you saw a CPMA/PK player (Voo) a very late QL-only player (post major tournaments. Clawz), a Q2 player (Dahang) and one Q3 player (Cooller).

Edited by megaman3 at 03:51 CDT, 26 August 2017

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p4r4 - Reply to #35

I would agree if they were consistently top at least for some period.
But in QC we have a lot of various players who go back and forth between top and "just ok" results, and also a lot of full 5 round maps between very distinct (in terms of expected results) players, which all to me means that the issue is with the game being too much random.

We had already some QC tournaments. Clawz/vo0 final is unexpected not because they weren't Q3/QL heroes, it's unexpected because they weren't QC heroes.

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M1zzu - Reply to #44

I think a big part is that the game's just so goddamn new, that individual players can employ an incredibly diverse set of playstyles due to the champions, and that the game is often asymmetrical (i.e. not both players have the same champions).

Let's say you are cypher. You don't only have to know how evil plays and thinks anymore. You have to know how evil plays with ranger against your nyx, on map so-and-so, and then the same for a different champion setup, and then all of that again on a different map. And that's only for one player. The difference in approach between the maps is stronger because of the asymmetry in champions (particularly the cpm champions), a ranger-anarki game on Ruins of Sarnath is different from a ranger-anarki game on dm6. Maybe they should get rid of the 3-champions rule, and just make 5-minute rounds where you keep the same champion throughout, but have like 3 lives or whatever, so we stop having so many damn possibilities.

I think competitive matches are going to become more refined given enough time, assuming the gameplay stays reasonably stable over a long period (like, a few years).

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #32

THAT'S what alerted you that something is wrong with this game?!?!?!?

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Fraze - Reply to #38

Ahaha I thought the same thing. You know something is wrong with this game, when they have basically lost me as a player. Someone who was entirely able to play 5-6 hours a day in quake live, but I had 2 weeks off before quake con and if I played an hour a day it felt like a drag the game is that hard to enjoy. I will admit however it does feel better on LAN/Dallas server, so I think I'll grin and bear it and play a bit when I return home.

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megaman3 - Reply to #41

Same happened to me as well. I heavily played QC at the beginning, managing to even beat rapha in a pub game, but the game was so bad I just stopped playing.

It has a something that feels like it's a drag. Could be the lag, the lack of visibility (have to focus harder to enjoy the game), the long queue times, having to frequently restart the game due to memory leaks, but it's just not fun after the second game of the day. QC is the only multiplayer game that has made me feel that way.

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #43

Could it be the speed cap? I don't know how people aren't freaking out about this. Even with the default 130 fov setting this game does NOT feel quick. And it's precisely the speed cap, you're used to the feeling of acceleration but you're obviously not getting it because you're at the limiter after one and a half jumps.

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M1zzu - Reply to #46

There was a pretty funny moment in the evil-fazz game where fazz suddenly gains a much higher amount of speed because the teleporters seem to transfer vertical speed into horizontal one: https://youtu.be/UB_t2KmYKnI?t=51m36s (linked a bit before the moment, to emphasize the contrast)

Like, it's shocking how fast he's suddenly going there, because we usually don't see the game at that speed.

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13m3 - Reply to #110

ADAM! Is this a feature?

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M1zzu - Reply to #547

Pls nobody tell them, cause it will get patched out on account of being too fun.

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f-shawn - Reply to #110

da fuck?

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hemostick - Reply to #46

Even with moderately good technique you could feel some acceleration beyond a couple jumps in previous games so I think you're correct. I do feel it's a combination of this and running speed being under 320 for many champions (you're not permanently doing speed jumping around the maps, so this is also important).

I have little trust in their technology so I am also tempted to say the speed caps may help prevent too much breakage of the client prediction (and thus hitreg), which would provide a limit to how much they could raise the limits if they wanted to.

Edited by hmstx at 03:49 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Fraze - Reply to #43

Nah at no point did I heavily play, I've been busy irl as well, but I just struggle to get into it, which was a main reason I wanted to go to this tournament even if I knew it was gonna be hard to do well with basically next to no play time, which in some aspects it's worked because I am keen to play more now. The sound in this game sucks and the way the games go sometimes also sucks but it could maybe be good if they made a few changes which I'm sure they won't :p

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #41

I didn't even get to the point where all the bugs and netcode inconsistencies mattered. Moving just doesn't feel fun. Even the bland q3/ql movement feels spectacular compared to this shite because you don't have a speed cap and when you clip a corner you get that "noice" feeling. If I load up cpm22 and just jump around for 2 minutes in CPM that's gonna be more fun than anything I can foresee in QC.

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sTPHN - Reply to #41

I would say if there was a competitive game mode of Duel - then we could at least have a slightly better visibility on the champions because fuck me, ranger blends in to pretty much every angle of bloodrun and blood covenant.

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Messing Around - Reply to #32

they said in the early dev stream that they remade the Duel to make sure that better players have a chance to lose

and they indeed did a good job

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<< Comment #74 @ 05:32 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #32

http://www.esreality.com/post/2889085/quakeco...pid2889166

<< Comment #45 @ 04:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Brancaleone

Do we know who the casters of the finals will be? With all respect to the sauces, I sincerely hope in ddk/zoot + maybe 2gd

<< Comment #52 @ 04:36 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Devianthe - Reply to #45

Your precious Ketchup and Mustard.

<< Comment #60 @ 04:57 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Brancaleone - Reply to #52

You sure? That's a shame...

<< Comment #62 @ 05:01 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Devianthe - Reply to #60

No, I made that up.

<< Comment #65 @ 05:05 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #62

Burn, witch!

<< Comment #71 @ 05:24 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #45

Anything but Ketchup and Mustard please. The guys talk on endlessly about anything except the actual game. Too much meta discussion, barely any tactical analysis. But for guys who aren't really quake players themselves they're doing a good job.

I really like Makaveli, hope he gets to cast the finals.

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<< Comment #567 @ 02:52 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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flocks - Reply to #71

YES BUT THEY'RE BROTHERS AND THEY LOOK THE SAME AND THEY PLAYED LONG TIME QUAKE AND YOU MUST LOVE THEM OR FUCK OFF

That's pretty much what I got told by supposed 'old school' quakers.

It should have been fucking zoot and ddk. Those are the people that we watched for how many years on facey and zotac and 125fps? Fucking get the fuck out with all these other tards, especially grey-hair mother fucker with that shitty little soul patch. Christ. Between his clothes and 'facial hair,' I can't tell if he's trying to be modern or some soul patch dickhead from 1998.

e:spelling

Edited by flocks at 02:52 CDT, 27 August 2017

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mouse* - Reply to #45

zsx+ddk is the most gentlemanly pair of casters ive seen, they should kiss.

zoot an jehar is a great combo of sensation and knowledge

honey and mustard should go away

the rest can get rekt.

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<< Comment #85 @ 06:27 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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qwih - Reply to #45

If the casting couples r fixed it ll be diddy and zed has sex probably

<< Comment #92 @ 06:45 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #45

DDK + ZSX are the best pair IMO.

DDK + Zoot = too much talking

And as much as I like Zoot for dedicating so much time to Quake, DDK is simply the better caster

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<< Comment #99 @ 07:05 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Belial - Reply to #92

ddk and zoot are great casters, but they have never worked well together . Zoot for hype and zsx for the analyzing, is great.

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<< Comment #121 @ 08:03 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #99

But DDK + ZSX showed great chemistry, they have a lot of charisma and they actually interact, and not just wait for the other to finish their sentence.

Zoot is a great guy, dont get me wrong, but the DDK+ZSX combo was one of many surprises in this Quakecon

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<< Comment #140 @ 08:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #121

ddk + zsk sucks, theyre too biased for casting and ddk new pace is too fast.

<< Comment #355 @ 16:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #140

Nah

<< Comment #268 @ 14:12 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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M1zzu - Reply to #121

they casted together once in 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPU2JBcivJU
I watched that VOD many times now. Incredible games, amazing commentary.

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<< Comment #108 @ 07:35 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #92

You mean going mia for 2+ years while others run zlive?

Okay.

<< Comment #122 @ 08:04 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #108

He was streaming when literally everbody else gave up streaming Quake Live, apart from that one swedish guy who didnt talk.

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sTPHN - Reply to #122

You must be mistaking it with a different game, or get stuck within timezones because there were a load of people streaming quake live, maybe not within the last 3-6 months but there were tons.

So him coming back for a few short months when it didn't really matter, makes more sense right?

I've not got anything against zoot, just he wasn't really present at all. I can name loads of people who were streaming consistently throughout the week.

Big slap in the face was when schpuld and fnx weren't even approached and asked if they'd like to help out with anything at qcon. That's pretty shitty.

<< Comment #148 @ 09:12 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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fau - Reply to #129

I think he meant the time when zoot started streaming. IEM and other big tournaments dropped QL, all regular casters disappeared. It felt like there is a big void with only zotac cups running that weren't even streamed, where before there was a big lan every month or two. Few guys tried to cast these online cups but were terrible until zoot stepped in and carried the torch for a very long time. Not my favorite caster but he'll always have my respect for this.

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<< Comment #154 @ 09:41 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #148

100% this, he has more quake at his heart than any other caster.

<< Comment #353 @ 16:41 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #129

Ur slow in the head

<< Comment #127 @ 08:29 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mala - Reply to #92

ddk he is mainly csgo caster....

Zoot is the only nowadays pure quake caster.

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sTPHN - Reply to #127

LOL (?)

<< Comment #137 @ 08:48 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mala - Reply to #130

learn how many hours of casting has easy other on games then lol

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sTPHN - Reply to #137

ENGLISH (?)

<< Comment #270 @ 14:15 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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M1zzu - Reply to #127

People tend to forget that in the days of weekly faceit cups, ddk would basically commentate an entire 6-hour cup every week. Many times he would be alone.

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<< Comment #343 @ 15:58 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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qwih - Reply to #270

he did ~12 hours when they used to run NA cups

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mala - Reply to #270

yes, faceit and QL....was 2013 or sth......since then ddk's faceit was scgo (..and some other games). check again faceit youtube to see what faceit was main for.

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cha0z_ - Reply to #489

So? He played quake on a high level + really like the game. Not only he commentated, but also did more than a few youtube videos about quake even when faceit moved on to other games. He is a cool dude, good player@quake and a great commentator.

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<< Comment #168 @ 10:08 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #92

I prefer zoot. DDK is very good at the typical fast talking style like all the CSGO casters. Zoot has a more unique and laid back style but is capable of creating hype too when it is needed.

DDK is definitely good too, glad to see him at Qcon.

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<< Comment #493 @ 17:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mala - Reply to #168

thumbs up! Said 100%correct!

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #45

Never like to pile on, but I've read all the BLU background and criticism - he just needs to stop. casting. today. What's your hurry dude? You have somewhere you need to be?(please...)
His enthusiasm&delivery sounds manufactured and plastic, almost like he's gonna break into auctioneer mode. I'm not buying.

Edited by evilbollweevil at 06:56 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #151 @ 09:22 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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lyijytäytekynä - Reply to #45

Anyone but blu plz. ddk + zsx would be the dream.

<< Comment #50 @ 04:22 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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telly

All the games are so close, but its getting more tiresome than exciting now.

Its like watching a pro Hearthstone tournament. All the players are really good, but from those good players it seems almost random who wins in the end. Hearthstone is really popular, so maybe that is what Id wants.

Edited by telly at 08:08 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #66 @ 05:06 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (151.43.111.78) - Reply to #50

Saldly the truth

<< Comment #58 @ 04:50 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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fau

Two players with best fighting skills (each in his own domain) made it into the grand final. Maybe a coincidence, maybe a shift in balance.

Also isn't clawz the youngest contender and voo the oldest? That would be so cool.

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<< Comment #64 @ 05:04 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #58

not cool bro, not cool

<< Comment #81 @ 06:08 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Sandslash - Reply to #58

ITT lots of oldfags that cannot master the use of the new skills well enough to be considered a top tier players anymore.

I hope that the result of this tournament will bring a wave of new players into the game even if it will mean that half of the oldies will retire.

<< Comment #59 @ 04:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus

All QuakeCon 2017 VODS at the bottom of these pages (matches only, no interviews and such) :

Duel : http://www.esportactu.fr/competition/4643-quakecon-2017-duel/

Sacrifice : http://www.esportactu.fr/competition/4644-qua...sacrifice/

Edited by Infuscomus at 04:51 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #93 @ 06:49 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #59

10x! :)

<< Comment #67 @ 05:10 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Belial

cypher said himself that clawz would win quakecon, he didnt mean this quakecon(2015?) . This might just happen today .

Clawz is bringing relentless aggression taking players by surprise .
Cooller was never able to slow the game down to what he wanted.

Also, he is young with language barrier, he doesnt deserve the trashtalk . Especially for younger players, they need a certain cockiness to be able to perform on stage .

End of 2016 he was one of the best QL players, but he was just not able to bring the skills to LAN, this time it seems he has matured enough to put the skills to the table .

Also , what mouse is he using and where can i get his cfg ? :P

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<< Comment #72 @ 05:26 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #67

>cfg
>QC
choose one

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<< Comment #98 @ 07:03 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Belial - Reply to #72

obv a joke . =p . What i would like tho is demos . Or as a backup solution to theyr beta game, record full povs from both players and release the videos , or atleast the winner pov as a minimum. Easily done, will never happen .

<< Comment #73 @ 05:32 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #67

You can see with his aim it's not about the mouse or the cfg.

He aims like tox does, arm on the table and controls with his wrist.

<< Comment #652 @ 10:16 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #73

right! Has NOTHING to do with mouse, that's why Tox aim got worse (on Regionals I think) when he had to switch his mouse 'cause they didn't allow the hz overclock.

Oh, wait...

<< Comment #674 @ 12:03 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #652

lmao higher hz doesn't mean better aim.

My god, even reading that you're justifying aim in relation to hz.

Changing mice alone is the main reason for different aim.

It's like driving a ferrari for years and then going back to a mini from 1970's when you switch mice.

<< Comment #708 @ 16:30 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #674

with the wmo it absolutely does. Not only there's a big lag difference between 125 and 500/1000 hz, it also has an higher maxmimum speed

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<< Comment #747 @ 03:51 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #708

I've used a wmo at default for about 12 months without realising my OC has failed and my aim was still beastly.

At the time I was using a really low sense.

There was also a time where Rapha was using the wmo default for a short time and because his sense and accel was really high for general quake standards he was doing well. He mentioned it on one of his streams.

<< Comment #789 @ 13:58 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #747

I know about rapha playing with 125, and you know why he did that? Because he knew they wouldn't allow him to overclock at torunamentes.

Meanwhile you're pretending that being used to 500 and being forced to 125 isn't impactful for Tox and even comparing your meaningless personal experience with one of the greatest aimers in quake.

And also going against the experience of everyone else that played overclocked wmos.

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sTPHN - Reply to #789

k

<< Comment #861 @ 19:02 CDT, 30 August 2017 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #674

1st of all: my point was about USING ANOTHER MOUSE, not another hz, learn to read.

2nd: nex1 already wrote about another things, and I add: if hz doesn't change anything, why Tox changed to another mouse? According to your logic he must be some kind of retard because he didn't have any reason to do that.

3rd: another thing more hz gives: smoother (better) aim, specially for medium to higher sensitivity (less inches to make a 360) and for tracking weapons (and tox has always been known for his beastly aim, especially with lg, the most tracking weapon there is. Coincidence? No). For too low sensitivity it doesn't really affect much.

Edited by GzUz at 19:04 CDT, 30 August 2017

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c1 - Reply to #861

its the opposite.

wmo@500hz has significant higher max. speed so it helps for low-mid sense (they need to move their mouse faster)

low max speed doesnt effect high sense players much since they dont need fast moves with their mouse anyway

<< Comment #865 @ 21:25 CDT, 30 August 2017 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #862

you're right about max, but I was talking about smoother aim with medium/high sens. Different things.

Edited by GzUz at 21:27 CDT, 30 August 2017

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sTPHN - Reply to #861

Perfectly able to read, yet you make zero sense.

I don't like your condescending attitude, my personal meaningless experiences? LUL

I used a 1.1a @125 hz back in the RtCW / Enemy Territory days, #3 in regards to aim next to RaZiel, Maus, Butchji and a handful of some of the best objective runners in the game. So yeah, my aim even in Quake is up there with a shit tonne of what are deemed as the top players (Obs not Tox level)

I stopped caring about quake back in 2010/11 after breaking my wrists.

Hz doesn't give you better aim, it helps aid in malfunction depending mouse/mouse pad. If hz gave you better aim shit, everyone would be making mice that run at stupid high polling rates.

One thing that separates tox's aim is just the way he plays and his actual keybinding layout.

If you want to get super technical about it - He uses C to shoot, so not using his finger to left click down on a mouse leaves your arm without any tension whatsoever, in turn give you better control of the mouse.

It's the same from a physiological point where a few old school players use space to shoot because the time to react from a thumb to any other fingers is significantly quicker.

TL;DR

Hardware only gets you so far. The rest is technique and a willingness to improve.

<< Comment #871 @ 18:25 CDT, 31 August 2017 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #868

I make zero sense... LOL
Ok, so WHY does EVERY pro player (just as a good reference) that uses 500 or 1000hz (most of them if not all of them use one of those) don't go back to 125?

You saying more hz than default doesn't make it smoother is the same as saying more than default max fps doesn't make it smoother too, jesus. Just because YOU don't feel the difference doesn't mean it's the same for every fucking else. I feel it and most "serious" or pro players feel it too.

But you probably can't even really give a decent answer to the question I made above anyway, because there isn't one. I won't respond to your nonsense anymore

<< Comment #872 @ 19:14 CDT, 31 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #871

Because technology has improved and things run a lot more consistently? That's why.

Again, you're getting too emotional, pretty sure I didn't say 125 hz > 500 or 1000hz - I would pick 500hz over anything, however if I were to go back to 125hz it wouldn't bother me too much because you can adjust back to it.

I honestly have no idea how you can just speculate random shit, it's like you're pulling things out of your own ass and your opinion is FINAL.

TL;DR

So your opinion is final and everyone should bow down to your thoughts? LUL

Get fucked. Scrub.

<< Comment #106 @ 07:33 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #67

He's using ZOWIE ZA12 or FK2, one of the two

<< Comment #112 @ 07:37 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ogdiabz - Reply to #67

source: twitch.tv/t9clawz

Mouse: Zowie FK2
Keyboard: Steelseries 6gv2
Monitor: BenQ xl2411z
Mousepad: zowie G-SR
Headset: razer kraken pro

DPI: 400
Sensitivity: 3.1
Accel: 0.17
Pitch,Yaw: 0.0205

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<< Comment #80 @ 06:07 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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MastermindQUAKE

clawz has brutal skill; one of the most gifted players I've ever seen. +training with master-Silencep is a huge advantage

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<< Comment #86 @ 06:27 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mouse*

I dont know man, eez

Edited by mouse* at 06:27 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #87 @ 06:28 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ToyTiger

I'm not sure I can figure that out:

23:45 MSK

BYOC Awards: QuakeWorld Duel
3:45 PM - 4:15 PM
QWC: Duel Finals (Mainstage)
3:45 PM - 5:15 PM

So is duel final happening at 3:45 PM or 23:45?

Edited by ToyTiger at 06:29 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Asuka_ - Reply to #87

QuakeWorld Duel as in Quake 1 duel (also that's BYOC only) the second one is the good one. :)

<< Comment #89 @ 06:35 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Jamerio :

Can someone post UK time of final please, thanks.

<< Comment #111 @ 07:37 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #89

Around 19:00 BST mate. Depends on the starts etc.

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<< Comment #97 @ 07:01 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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rawrawraw

Who I thought should win doesnt. The game must be random then.

Flawless logic.

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<< Comment #178 @ 10:29 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #97

noob

<< Comment #141 @ 08:52 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #97

Yeah, no shit. Must be some butt hurt fan-boys or something...

<< Comment #102 @ 07:22 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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leopold '

http://www.readmore.de/news/28716-k1llsen-ich...-zu-stehen

interview (in german) with k1llsen.

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<< Comment #218 @ 12:40 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #102

have to watch the vod for sure - just for the lulz :D

<< Comment #105 @ 07:30 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Sleorer

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SwarmDMX

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<< Comment #113 @ 07:39 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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M1zzu

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xemorx

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<< Comment #116 @ 07:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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aeoL

Is everyone safe at Q'Con with that hurricane around?

<< Comment #118 @ 07:53 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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fnx-za - Reply to #116

Hurricane is further south from where they are. Dallas shouldn't really be affected much.

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<< Comment #124 @ 08:09 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #118

Dallas wont be the same once the EU hurricane is done with it.

<< Comment #506 @ 17:59 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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aeoL - Reply to #118

Thanks.

<< Comment #176 @ 10:29 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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boNz

Are there any drug testings for this tournament ?

Looking at playstyles and eyes of some players, im doubtful

<< Comment #126 @ 08:20 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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jamalz

Quake 1 = Boxing
Quake 2 = Judo
Quake 3 = UFC
Quake 4 = KickBoxing
Quake Live = Karate
Quake Champions = WWF

Edited by jamalz at 08:22 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #158 @ 09:46 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Sandslash - Reply to #126

LMFTFY

Quake Champions = WTF

<< Comment #128 @ 08:30 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mala

QuakeCon 2018 final:

Clawz vs Raisy

<< Comment #132 @ 08:34 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #128

QuakeCon 2018 final:

Clawz vs ~~Raisy~~ unKind (Reliable sources tell a story of him returning... ;) )

<< Comment #136 @ 08:43 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #132

not if audience member cant stop him (my sources tell me)

<< Comment #138 @ 08:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Jamerio :

Who loves themselves the most, DDK or ZSX?

Edited by Jamerio at 08:53 CDT, 26 August 2017

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #138

DDK by far.

<< Comment #144 @ 08:56 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #142

by a far larger margin indeed :D

Edited by xemorx at 08:59 CDT, 26 August 2017

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #144

I dunno - zsx shapes his eyebrows, probably "manscapes" too :D

<< Comment #170 @ 10:16 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #157

zsx looks naturally shy though while ddk has no shame in the slightest :D

<< Comment #175 @ 10:29 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (82.122.101.254)

So... let me recap this.

After the group stage, of the 12 Europeans qualified through the regionals, only 1 was eliminated (he had the "group of death" with Rapha and Cooller).

Out of the 11 NA players that qualified from their regionals, 8 were eliminated in the groups.

The top 16 players :
- 12 Europeans
- 3 North Americans
- 1 Australian

They said that "giving 12 spots to EU and 12 spots to NA" was just because it was a "test tournament".

Let's see if they keep their word... Next time, normally we should see 4 times as many spots for Europeans. I really don't see why the likes of Nitrino, Garpy, Prox1mo or Stermy should give up their spot to make space for weaker players... Isn't the goal to have all the best players in the world fighting for the title ?

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Infuscomus - Reply to #175

It's going to be complicated I think to put quotas like that. Does this happen in other games, like SC2 for instance where South Koreans are massively better than the rest of the world ?

<< Comment #145 @ 08:57 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx

2GD is such a lovable dude <3

Edited by xemorx at 09:00 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #878 @ 06:57 CDT, 7 October 2017 >>

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clan519 - Reply to #145

nice to see him take clawz under his wing like this

<< Comment #152 @ 09:24 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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jamalz

The spectating in quakechampions is SO FUCKING BAD.

I'm going to copy/paste from myself in another thread:

Somebody needs to code an 'auto delay' camera. The idea is that the way quake is streamed or watched is on a delay in spectator mode. So everything you see (unless you choose to not watch that way) would be 10 seconds or so in the past.

The camera would then already know which people on the server die or not and in games like sacrifice, it would auto choose to spec people that wont insta die. Like how if someone jumps on a quad and then you spectate him and he insta dies and then you spec another fucker and he also insta dies for like 5 times in a row everyone you are watching dies.

That shit would not exist with the auto camera delay.

Also when someone is about to get fragged, the camera could auto turn to third person mode so you can see the battle (like in quake 1 netquake, we didnt have first person spectating, and it was fine)

The auto delay camera would also see which players get frag streaks in the past 10 seconds, so you'd see a ton of amazing frag runs and sick plays.

And they may be able to code it so that it can see flag runs and caps (sacrifice runs too) so that you'd see a whole run unbroken

shiterror or spongeboob plz code this shit

Edited by jamalz at 09:26 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #174 @ 10:26 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #152

yep, would be much nicer

<< Comment #201 @ 11:39 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #152

i like this.

and auto-switch to power-ups and soul-carriers ofc ffs

<< Comment #569 @ 03:09 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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flocks - Reply to #152

I'd like to see YOU try to do all of that bullshit you just suggested while trying to organize a BAWLZ CHUGGING tournament at the same time!!

( ._.)

<< Comment #779 @ 11:12 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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pcfs - Reply to #569

It's just a matter of sitting down at the ol' laptop for an hour and typing all that code out. Other 5 mins to bug test. Patch shipped!

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donka ' - Reply to #152

Agreed. Sacrifice was complete mess.

I don't play QC. I played quake for 17 years and I couldn't understand a god damn thing in sacrifice. The fact that quake is not watchable to a new person couldn't be any more evident to me. Camera jumps every 2.5 sec and I have no idea who's going where and why.

Duel is a bit easier, but still unwatchable. It takes an hour to figure out who's who. Why people die in a fight. What is the score and what does it mean. Maps are bland. (Someone posted exposure pictures recently). Champions are not clear. Timers, medals, sparks... everything possible to distract the viewer from the essense of the game. It looks great, it has 0 spectator value. First quakecon i didn't watch the finals and probably not going to.

I wrote an column on this before.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2710866/the-fall-of-camera-man/

Should be no surprize why historical quake championship with $1m prize purse gets less views then 1 mediocre PUBG streamer.

Edited by donka at 16:39 CDT, 28 August 2017

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<< Comment #155 @ 09:41 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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MailmanMel

Games are way to short, especially in Sacrifice.
Either make it bo5 in the earlier rounds and bo7 or bo9 in the playoff/finals stages OR reduce the obelisk tick by 3-4 times minimum.

CS:GO has already gone down that road where tournament require no real effort (majority of bo1 and then a bo3 final).

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Sandslash

If clawz wins all he'll go back with 180k$, which means he'll account for 0.00039% of GDP of Belarus.

edit. thank you potat <3

Edited by Sandslash at 01:38 CDT, 27 August 2017

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melechesh ' - Reply to #156

0.00039%*

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anal justice - Reply to #156

what a sad metric

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jamalz

Makaveli doing a great job. Very pleasing to hear from him.

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<< Comment #208 @ 11:55 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Carpio - Reply to #159

Q3 legend!

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #208

q2 legend, q3 participant.

<< Comment #162 @ 09:57 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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DamianLillard

2z look insane, they're like that alien race from ender's game on meth. Latrommi and clawz ain't human with them lgs.

I really like zsx's commentary, he provides good insight to the strategies and the deeper picture of the game. It was good hearing from 2gd at the analyst desk too, he too provided good behind the scenes info on top of being a good analyst.

<< Comment #163 @ 09:58 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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esdf '

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xemorx - Reply to #163

why?..

<< Comment #453 @ 17:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #173

cuz my nigga.

<< Comment #531 @ 18:50 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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StillBlaze - Reply to #173

Xron Life nigga, that's why

<< Comment #165 @ 09:59 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_

I lol @ winz

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<< Comment #167 @ 10:06 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

Noooo, team bias (zsx + ddk) casting liquid vs notofast : /

<< Comment #169 @ 10:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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wata

so much money on the line with asymetric maps, it must really grind your nerves if you get the shitty end of the map

<< Comment #171 @ 10:20 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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hellsy

respect the quake

<< Comment #172 @ 10:21 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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SmackGyver

Mice Dpi and Cfgs please, thanks!!!

Sacrifice is a huge shitshow, they should instantly turn off followkiller, because that killer is often already dead before the camera switch happens.
For the future they should consider using lower teamsizes like 3vs3 or even 2vs2.

Thanks for the guerilla-VoD-uploaders.
After all these years, [id] still doesn't understand that most of their players/viewers are from the european timezone, 20+ years old and therefore have to work on fridays, which is why they can't stay up on thursday to watch their schedule from 23:15 to 04:15+ CEST.

Seems their netcode or hitboxes are still broken, even on lan, I really laughed my ass off, when they replayed the highlights of matches in slow motion and by doing so were displaying some pretty retarded scenes:
Raisy vs Toxjq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mTYxxVRgPo&t=1h0m48s
Vo0 vs Dahang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-2FsIa_tJI&t=24m

Sorlag seems to be op, just to start the moba-balancing discussion.

Please let ddk/zsx + tosspot/djwheat broadcast the finals, thanks.

Oh, before I forget it:

CLAWZ
L
A
W
Z

<< Comment #186 @ 10:47 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #172

hard to tell if those situation show hitbox, netcode or spectator issues

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SmackGyver - Reply to #186

Spectators get feeded by server snapshots, so they see a combination of netcode and hitbox.
I just watched NoToFaSt vs. winz; there were some visible rubberbands and lags on stermy's PoV during the first map.
I also hoped that the source would be something harmless, like just a graphical misrepresentation on the PoV of the spectator or the spectator computer having problems.
But then I saw that Fraze also complained about stuttering and lags from a player's PoV:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2888477/re-quak...pid2888477
So my concern is, that it is esports unready while players rather stfu than publicly complain about it.

<< Comment #253 @ 13:36 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #210

oh i have no doubt that there are deep rooting issues with the netcode / hit detection, i justz doubt that we can do any meaningful analysis based on those clips

<< Comment #322 @ 15:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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SmackGyver - Reply to #253

Ah ok, true.
Well, let me put it this way,
(wolves = hitbox/netcode)

When everyone screams wolves (forum text: player feedback),
I smell wolves (ingame senses: railhits behind the model, 0-dmg-directs, ...)
and
I also see wolves (online videos: youtube/twitch);
I expect it to be wolves.

But technically you are right,
inbetween all those wolves, there might be some hidden pumas aswell (problems with the spectator's PoV).
The addition of pumas doesn't make the horde of wolves any better.

<< Comment #179 @ 10:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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zanes_

I didn't manage to watch everything so far, but of what I did manage to see, the most watchable was ro16 tox-cooller. What did I miss that's in the same range of tension/nice action or even better?

<< Comment #180 @ 10:38 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #179

almost each following duel is heart-breaking :D
i'd start watching from rapha-raisy

Edited by xemorx at 10:38 CDT, 26 August 2017

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diegowar : - Reply to #179

Rapha vs Raisy was particularly intense

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<< Comment #181 @ 10:38 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_

Wow, sick first map between NOTOFAST and Liquid.

<< Comment #183 @ 10:39 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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PeXa

Notofast choking & not getting powerups against Liquid.
They let them have nearly every battlesuit over 3 rounds.

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<< Comment #184 @ 10:41 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #183

obviously, they were just not too fast for that :)

Edited by xemorx at 11:49 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Venser

I'm starting to get into Sacrifice.

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PeXa - Reply to #185

It's underrated.
I think we are going to see some great strats and coordination in the future,

It's not a mode for everyone, but it's still a legit mode.

<< Comment #189 @ 11:17 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Venser - Reply to #188

The key is good is good observing, following the soul and avoiding the moments where it cycles POVs and everyone is dying.

Edited by Venser at 11:18 CDT, 26 August 2017

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xemorx

In the times past people robbed banks to 'collect' such sums of money :D

<< Comment #191 @ 11:29 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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MailmanMel

NOTOFAST vs Team Liquid was very entertaining.

<< Comment #192 @ 11:29 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_

Holy fuck man, noctis just plays in his own league, way above all his team mates and they are all super stars. lol

Edited by Asuka_ at 11:30 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #194 @ 11:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #192

Yea imo Noctis is the king of team quake.

<< Comment #401 @ 17:06 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Ian215 - Reply to #194

They need fox out of retirement :D

<< Comment #193 @ 11:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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DamianLillard

Liquid vs NOTOFAST. Simply amazing match

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<< Comment #195 @ 11:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ggnore

Gutted for Liquid, only practicing against N.A teams and still giving an insane performance against no2fast.

Great great match.

<< Comment #196 @ 11:32 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Nukm

that was a really cool sacrifice match. looking forward to the final.

was the first sacrificy match i watched from start to finish and i dont get all the whine, yes its chaotic from time to time but its certainly easier to follow than ctf and the charge up - round system is mroe exciting than timelimit play

Edited by Nukm at 11:33 CDT, 26 August 2017

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iavoal

They played sooooo good that mada this look like a real world-class show.

unreal, heart-and-soul-breaking last moment steal from notofast.

gg wp

<< Comment #206 @ 11:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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tvorimir - Reply to #197

shame that this game mode is still unwatchable

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<< Comment #198 @ 11:34 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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PeXa

Noctis needs to find a new chiropractor for his broken back from carrying the team.

those soul carries....

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<< Comment #748 @ 03:55 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #198

Too bad toxic did 2x the damage of all of them LUL

<< Comment #199 @ 11:35 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx

The three vikings

Edited by xemorx at 11:35 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #234 @ 13:05 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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azxx - Reply to #199

Marilyn Manson sobered up :D

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<< Comment #241 @ 13:11 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #234

hell you're right!

<< Comment #200 @ 11:37 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sTPHN

Tox out damaged everyone though. Without tox. They'd have a hard time.

<< Comment #202 @ 11:40 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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PeXa - Reply to #200

That's also true, Tox cleared a path so many times.

I think it was a case of notofast flipping the lid on their turbo button.
They were saving that for the next game but extreme times call for extreme measures.

<< Comment #203 @ 11:41 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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nsx0r

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<< Comment #304 @ 15:17 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #203

Those aren't gamer glasses (TM)

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<< Comment #204 @ 11:42 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Nukm

place your bets for the finals

sacrifice: http://www.esreality.com/post/2889432/qwc-sac...-notofast/
duel: http://www.esreality.com/post/2889086/qwc-due...wz-vs-vo0/

Edited by Nukm at 11:58 CDT, 26 August 2017

<< Comment #205 @ 11:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx

Both dahang and cooller deserve so much to win this! Just can't decide one to root for :(

<< Comment #209 @ 12:04 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen

The first Quakecon QC 1v1 finals is reminiscent of the first Quakecon QL 1v1 finals back in 2008. 'New blood' vs an old legend (Cypher vs Zero4). Cypher managed to win this one. Will we see a repeat of that nearly a decade later?

I honestly have no idea who's going to win it this year, gl to both!

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<< Comment #211 @ 12:18 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Gobotz

i feel like tim keeps sync around to make himself look hotter in the videos.

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<< Comment #791 @ 14:18 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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rawrawraw - Reply to #211

savage

<< Comment #212 @ 12:18 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus

DaHanG truly deserves a special medal for this QuakeCon as the "Sorlag slayer".

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<< Comment #219 @ 12:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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principezwatrem - Reply to #212

Yes, definitely. It seemed no one knew how to play vs Sorlag.

<< Comment #213 @ 12:24 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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lyijytäytekynä

Excited for the final. Glad to see blu casting the 3rd place match which means he (hopefully) won't be casting the final too.

And damn, it was the first time I enjoyed watching a game of sacrifice. noctis especially was amazing, let's hope he can repeat that run of form in the finals.

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<< Comment #216 @ 12:36 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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jamalz

why is blu talking like hes at an auction? you hear him breathing in for like 3 seconds and then talking super fast for like 20 seconds straight.. So bad..

I also love dahangs slash movement, so fucking crisp.

Edited by jamalz at 12:37 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #216

Trying to break John Moschitta record I guess...

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<< Comment #221 @ 12:50 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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nsx0r

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Lam | - Reply to #221

Edited by Lam at 12:51 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #225 @ 13:00 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #221

wtf?

<< Comment #237 @ 13:08 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #225

He's reproducing the last moves of DaHanG when he was chasing him on Blood Run.

Edited by Infuscomus at 13:08 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Lam | - Reply to #237

I don't see any similarity :/

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #225

C O O L L E R
O
O
L
L
E
R

That was the final strat that broke Dahang, pro shit!

<< Comment #244 @ 13:14 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #221

he's always good for a laugh. :>

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<< Comment #248 @ 13:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Tripleight - Reply to #221

I lol'ed hard when I saw this.

<< Comment #273 @ 14:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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[calibur] - Reply to #221

"oooohhhhh" Whatever! - cooller

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Lejionator - Reply to #221

Cooller is GOD

<< Comment #798 @ 16:29 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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bogOtac - Reply to #221

cooller stealing the moves from David Eugene Edwards

<< Comment #223 @ 12:58 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_

C O O L L E R
O
O
L
L
E
R

https://clips.twitch.tv/FaintRenownedManateeSuperVinlin

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<< Comment #224 @ 13:00 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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iavoal

The old horse got his shit together and ripped dahang apart (c) Cypher

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<< Comment #227 @ 13:02 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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DamianLillard

gratz to coolio but dear god i hate the cs-orlag camp strat

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<< Comment #236 @ 13:07 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #227

then you should hate vo0's sorlag on ztn even more! :D

Edited by xemorx at 13:09 CDT, 26 August 2017

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azxx

"By the way you have nice shoes"

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<< Comment #230 @ 13:03 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_

Also wow, so DaHanG is actually good at this game (regarding duel). Wish he had trained for this properly :(, his chances would have been higher definitely. This should be a signal for him to finally drop that shitty game OW and get back to Quake duel

Also tfw this should have been the final. :(

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<< Comment #231 @ 13:03 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

First quakecon with Mak as caster, always rooting for liquid players, and no americans in podiums either on duel or team. Coincidence? JINXED

<< Comment #232 @ 13:04 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

Also

C O O L L E R
O
O
L
L
E
R

Still top3 of the world AMAZING

I WANT COOLLER BABIES

PogChamp junkCooller

<< Comment #233 @ 13:04 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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DamianLillard

cooller: "and by the way, dont go near av3k"

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<< Comment #235 @ 13:05 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Devianthe

COOLLER IS SO AWKWARD, I CAN'T.

<< Comment #316 @ 15:26 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #235

language barrier + you don't understand russian humour.
Trust me, he is very far from awkward.
Actually, he is the very definition of ... cool

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<< Comment #424 @ 17:11 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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clan519 - Reply to #316

er...

<< Comment #724 @ 19:12 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #316

language barrier, after 20 fucking years in the quake scene. still can't believe this.

<< Comment #238 @ 13:08 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ggnore

Someone clipped Tosspot saying about the Americans on the podium?

So amazing

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<< Comment #242 @ 13:11 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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jukkhop - Reply to #238

Someone did https://clips.twitch.tv/NaiveMuddyDelicataPoooound

I don't get it though. Is he being sarcastic?

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<< Comment #243 @ 13:12 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ggnore - Reply to #242

Yeah that's what he was doing haha

<< Comment #247 @ 13:18 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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SmackGyver - Reply to #242

Of course he is sarcastic, in duel the top3 are from europe, so no murican on the podium and in sacrifice the final also will be played between 2 european teams while there won't be a match for the 3rd place.

<< Comment #240 @ 13:10 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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son!

duel has been fun to watch because so many maps have been close, must suck being a player tho

<< Comment #246 @ 13:15 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #240

for sure, each of these close games must cost them a few years of life! :D

<< Comment #245 @ 13:14 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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jamalz

I'm rooting for big daddy vo0. Teach this young gun how we do it old school.

<< Comment #249 @ 13:23 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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evilbollweevil

I mean this is so obvious, but holy fuck clawz stands to make A LOT of money today?!? (Sac&Duel)

Edited by evilbollweevil at 13:24 CDT, 26 August 2017

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #249

He already made a lot of money

37.5k secured by sac already
50k secured by duel already
87.5k

May double that to a staggering
175k

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<< Comment #263 @ 13:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #251

ty for crunching those numbers -- i was just about to edit my post :)

<< Comment #255 @ 13:43 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Ffleri

id needs to fix spectator mode in sacrifice. unwatchable

Edited by Ffleri at 13:44 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #259 @ 13:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #255

This is one of our main goals. One of the things that we've learned over the years is that to create an established esports game you need to make it very spectator-friendly. We are working HARD on the spectator features to be able to capture all the highlights that are happening in the game.

© Zero4, 5 months ago

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<< Comment #298 @ 14:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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c1 - Reply to #259

FREECAM AND LONG DEATHANIMATIONS are awesome

Edited by c1 at 14:51 CDT, 26 August 2017

<< Comment #318 @ 15:26 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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bolus major - Reply to #259

The game itself is already hard to watch, how are they going to fix this clusterfudge for spectators?

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Ffleri - Reply to #318

duel is completely fine, maybe some tweaks would be nice. btw i think this is the best quake ever made in this aspect and also many others.

problem is with sacrifice. please let me watch someone who lives more than 5 seconds and ill be fine.
switch instantly from deathcam, this is so anticlimactic when there is very fast action going on and boom, some dies (happens very often in quake, huh?) and the camera is fucking stuck for 5 seconds and i feel like someone is taking all the fun and hype from me, then i have to wait another minutes to see great action so i get interested again.

Edited by Ffleri at 14:05 CDT, 30 August 2017

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c1 - Reply to #857

duel is fine... best quake ever made... are you a troll or just stupid?

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Ffleri - Reply to #858

no troll jus smart:)

<< Comment #256 @ 13:46 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Venser

RIP Clutch. Haven't seen him used once.

<< Comment #258 @ 13:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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PeXa - Reply to #256

Garpy used him for while

Edited by PeXa at 13:52 CDT, 26 August 2017

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xemorx - Reply to #258

poor garpy :(

<< Comment #257 @ 13:49 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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morpheus305

Is the finals bo3 for maps or are they gonna do bo5 for maps?

<< Comment #261 @ 13:53 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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SwarmDMX

Had to mute the condiment bros - couldn't stand it any more - my brain was blowing a fuse :/

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<< Comment #266 @ 14:04 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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fragmaster_

one million dollar tournament

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Edited by fragmaster_ at 14:04 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #269 @ 14:15 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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principezwatrem - Reply to #266

Do you think you can build a community in a day?

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<< Comment #271 @ 14:16 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #269

the stream is being featured on both steam and twitch. i dont remember other quakecon finals having this little viewers either.

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principezwatrem - Reply to #271

Last year we had like 7k.
In 2015 max 10k.

This is new game, we got 20k on twitch and another 5-10k on steam. These are good numbers and even Overwatch at the start didn't have great numbers.

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Tripleight - Reply to #271

Low? Other Quakecons in the past few years have had around 12k max peak.

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #287

rly? i thought it was way more. maybe i'm wrong.

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n1ghty - Reply to #271

there were never over like 5-7k for the last years. duno what youre talking about.

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Anonymous (77.91.153.19) - Reply to #269

how about "in 20 years"?

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aeoL - Reply to #269

If that is sarcasm that no one can build a community in a day then ask yourself why they would spend a million dollars trying to do so.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #266

Getting up :p

[img1] to come

Edited by Infuscomus at 14:46 CDT, 26 August 2017

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MailmanMel - Reply to #266

Viewer numbers are around the same as SC2 tournaments have had for the last few years and more then half of the ones with the largest prize pools. The playerbase for SC2 is around 100-200x bigger so.

Twitch numbers aren't everything.

I'm quite surprised how well things for this Quakecon are and have been (with the exception of the 1st day of course).

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kluczmen - Reply to #295

true

considering there were about 1000 people playing it on steam a day before quakecon it just goes to show quake community is a lot more dedicated to follow the scene events compared to other titles.

this is where true potential of quake is at: the gameplay allows people to push the game into insane levels while retaining the diversity between number of different approaches that are up to the player's choice;
that makes the scene a lot more attached to the players we can look up to

https://streamerclips.com/twitch/quakechampio...nBrokeBack

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MailmanMel - Reply to #266

The numbers are actually insane and could be regarded as one of the best in Twitch/gaming history ... player base vs exposure wise.

That 12k something on that picture is 6-7 times more than there were players playing at that moment and is as almost large as the whole player base more or less at that point.

The most popular games manage to engage the maximum of 1-2% of their player base to tune in for events, QC way over 60-70% this weekend. The International should have to have around 100 million Twitch viewers to be on the same bar with QC, and that is 100 million concurrent.
Dota 2 is free so let's take Playerunknown's Battlegrounds which had a tournament thingy at Gamescom ... a few hundred thousand twitch viewers but 8+ million copies sold, daed game?

Edited by MailmanMel at 16:42 CDT, 26 August 2017

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M1zzu - Reply to #348

Meh. 0.6 * 12'000 (that's a very optimistic estimate of the current playerbase) is still a way lower number than 0.05 * 30'000'000 (OW playerbase). Their priority should be to build a big playerbase by making a good game and marketing it well, and then they can start trying to get these players to watch. Marketing the game as an espurts title is destined to failure.

The same 6k people that tuned in despite not playing the game are the same 6k people that tuned into Quake Live despite not playing. I suspect those are old guys who've watched the big tourneys for years now, but don't play anymore, maybe some other "old" people chimed in because it's a new entry in the franchise and a much bigger tourney in terms of prize pool with all the old guard appearing, and then there's the occasional noob playing in the beta or seeing the game on the frontpage. id should realize that the only group whose number they can influence are the noobs playing the game. Since they can't possibly count on a big number of people chiming in who don't play the game (a one million dollar prizepool will not stop people from switching away after two minutes if they can't relate to what's happening on stream), the only way to increase the number of viewers is to increase the number of players.

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mala - Reply to #266

do you have any idea how many millions overwatch or dota they spent to be where they are?

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Anonymous (178.214.198.9) - Reply to #478

game should be good (appealing to masses) too, otherwise it'd end up like shootmania.

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Lam |

I haven't seen this explained, so can someone shed a light on:

1. What is fazz inserting into his teeth between maps?

2. Why are NOTOFAST squishing what appears to be silica bags?

Many thanks in advance.

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sTPHN - Reply to #272

Snus : is a moist powder tobacco product originating from a variant of dry snuff in early 18th-century Sweden. It is placed under the upper lip for extended periods.

Edited by sTPHN at 14:21 CDT, 26 August 2017

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #274

My guess, is that he does this for the nicotine and its slightly stimulant-like properties.

Personally, I use Nicotine Lozenges. Haven't smoked a day in my life. Tried Snus though...

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an1me - Reply to #459

lol yeah it's nicotine, not caffeine or other stimulant, nicotine is a useless drug for performace (or for anything really), but people who are addicted will keep taking it in order to avoid going into withdrawal symptoms, so I'm guessing it just keeps him feeling "normal", either way it looks trashy and disgusting but I'm sure Fazz doesn't care, he just made som sizeable money, it's still better than smoking I guess

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DamianLillard - Reply to #272

Snus, swedish "chewing tobacco".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

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Lam | - Reply to #275

I suspected this but never seen one in person (we only have dry powder snuff). Thank you.

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DamianLillard - Reply to #276

frankly i dont understand why doesnt he just go for a stronger brand instead of 12 pouches of standard strength

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MailmanMel - Reply to #276

It's illegal in a lot of countries for some reason, Scandinavian peninsula is a snus safe haven more or less.

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azxx - Reply to #272

The 'silica bags' are called hand warmers. Rubbing/squishing them helps keep your fingers warm. Nowadays they can be seen at many gaming tournaments.

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #285

Sure? Imo its for drying the sweat, silica bags are humidity absorbers, nothing to do with warm.

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azxx - Reply to #308

That's what they were at some CSGO and LoL tournaments. Could be wrong here.

Edited by azxx at 15:57 CDT, 26 August 2017

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fazz - Reply to #308

It was a hand warmer, which I used on my head because I had a headache I can't shake off(no excuse Btw, didn't affect my game)

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hellsy - Reply to #346

Well done Fazz and co, You were amazing to watch and good fun!

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wata

they did a way better job at spectating sacrifice today
(switching to defendant PoV when capped, instead of short-lived attackers. nice static free cams with good angles on PU/souls pick ups and clusterfucks)
less frenetic, and thus enjoyable to watch. kudos to whoever in command

Edited by wata at 15:14 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Lam | - Reply to #278

Are you being sarcastic? :)

Half the time we get deathcam looking at a wall, sometimes switching between 3-4 dead guys in a row.

Every player switch has a 1 second screen freeze before you see the new POV.

Every time someone gets a soul or a powerup, we go from a static cam view to another death cam, or if we're lucky, spectating someone running around somewhere else. Half the soul runs we don't spectate neither the runner nor anyone chasing him.

And they still play on a PC that's incapable of rendering over 15 FPS of 720p (if you for some reason think this shameful framerate is a problem on your end, just wait for any slow-mo replay, which proves they're actually capturing it like that. if you think that may be a problem with capture interface, remember it captures just fine until enemies appear on screen / player enters new areas... clear rendering issue). I guess they were bound by partnership with AMD to use their GPU to render this game :D

Don't get me started on everything that obscures the view all the time. Zero4 and SyncError did a great job on those visibility improvements they promised on a AUA few months back ;)

But yeah, if it was 60 fps and if they had a) (working) follow killer b) follow pu/soul c) /spec fc/pu rquivalent (must be very hard to do), maybe it would be watchable.

Edit: OH! And of course the item timers that just blink all the fucking time instead of showing numbers (I think they blink every time a new obituary is displayed, which is every second in Sacrifice...)

Edited by Lam at 15:03 CDT, 26 August 2017

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wata - Reply to #297

relatively to the other days and the regional, I felt it was better

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Lam | - Reply to #302

Actually regionals had more fluid stream, the only improvement since then is team health+ability status on the spechud.

Other days were the same (when the stream worked at all, hehe), you just got used to it :D

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wata - Reply to #312

well maybe too

<< Comment #279 @ 14:37 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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_agu

Sorry clawz, i`ll cheer for Vo0!

V o 0 !
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xemorx - Reply to #279

honestly, vo0 is not as entertaining to watch, he just camps all the time with his sorlag following the same movement patterns, which is very efficient thanks to his perfect plusbacking

Edited by xemorx at 15:06 CDT, 26 August 2017

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_agu - Reply to #289

i like his aim on rockets and also his gamestyle man!

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c1

FREECAM AND LONG DEATHANIMATIONS are awesome

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Memento_Mori '

Some should tweet Trump about these foreigner grabbing all the money!

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<< Comment #294 @ 14:48 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #291

Hush man! Not so loud! :D

Edited by xemorx at 14:49 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #291

Russia got many of it, don't you know Trump works for Putin ?

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xemorx - Reply to #330

tbh trump doesn't work at all :D

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boenk

man these casters make me want to kill myself..

.. and the 15 fps stream in potato quality isnt exactly helping either

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<< Comment #300 @ 15:05 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx

This sacrifice mode resembles in a vague manner the football match as it is :D

Edited by xemorx at 15:06 CDT, 26 August 2017

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fau - Reply to #300

It resembles me football matches we used to play in middle school.

Edited by fau at 15:18 CDT, 26 August 2017

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #306

Yes - they're all ignoring the offside rule :(

<< Comment #301 @ 15:09 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Dismi

HELLO, TIM? THIS IS SPECTATOR, WTF IS GOING ON

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<< Comment #303 @ 15:16 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx

NEW BLOOD WINS TODAY

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gbmaster '

Congrats 2z, seeing how happy they were when they won was lovely.
There's nothing like that feeling of winning a load of cash!
Spend it well guys :)

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<< Comment #307 @ 15:18 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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DamianLillard

is there clip of silencep's nail gun triple at the quad?

<< Comment #309 @ 15:18 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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c1

so the team which gets the better to defend obolisk wins?

1st round easy win
2nd round loss
3round easy win again

oh yeah thats another league to make a gamemode more luck based. I speak about equal strong teams ofc

<< Comment #313 @ 15:22 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Lam | - Reply to #309

inb4 Tayski

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orrrcccus - Reply to #309

Yeah, the obelisks on Blood Covenant are broken, probably future patches will fix that, but clearly 2z were the better team, so congratz to them.

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n1ghty - Reply to #309

imo those kinda gamemodes need to have symmetric maps. and i really dont get, why they (ID) didn't go for it. but let's see what will happen with future releases.

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Anonymous (178.214.198.9) - Reply to #400

extra meta rules might bring more balance to asymmetry like this: think CS'es 30 rounds total, 15 per attack/defense side

<< Comment #321 @ 15:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (93.193.234.77)

Hmm was cheering for NOTOFAST but Latrommi is so happy about it, that I have to cheer for him too. The other 3 guys are quite introverted.
GG (even though its a mess to watch)

<< Comment #333 @ 15:42 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #321

He was so happy he immediately went on the trophy and forgot the handshake until toxjq came closer on the stage and Xron went for it :p.

<< Comment #310 @ 15:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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MailmanMel

So stermy is officially the evil of team games at Quakecon now?

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Asuka_ - Reply to #310

He goes head to head with kgb for those big finals chokes.

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adrenal1ne - Reply to #315

Yikes

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iavoal - Reply to #310

i missed it, what did he messed up?

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jamalz - Reply to #310

swap out stermy for linkin *where the fuck is he anyway?*

<< Comment #311 @ 15:20 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_

Congrat to 2z, well deserved win, (it was indeed 2 EZ :P)

wp and gg'z

<< Comment #317 @ 15:26 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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simonov

History repeats itself

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<< Comment #324 @ 15:37 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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adrenal1ne

What's the peak for twitch viewers so far?

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #324

19-20k + 2k on ruhub + ?? on steam

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Lam | - Reply to #328

Steam statistics are skewed by the fact it autoplays on http://store.steampowered.com/sale/quakeconsale/

That's why it jumps by thousands every minute, hard to say how many are actually watching the stream there.

<< Comment #578 @ 03:55 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (178.214.198.9) - Reply to #334

it was also featured and autoplayed on Twitter (WAT?)

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adrenal1ne - Reply to #328

Disappointing

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #335

Thats double-triple numbers of the peak viewers at previous Quakecons. So I would say its a good start..

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adrenal1ne - Reply to #344

With that much more money on the line, meh

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jamalz

fix netcode
fix fps drops/lag stutter
fix sounds
fix weapons doing 0 damage
+give me sarge model
+give me a good mode to play
+give good spectator mode/demos

then i will forgive round based duel / champions and buy the game

aka make the game fun you cunts.

<< Comment #449 @ 17:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (174.92.212.253) - Reply to #326

Clawz just found the lag switch in qc thats all. Same way playing with 120 makes you transparent to rails for people playing with com_maxfps 250. Thats what i think the netcode hasnt changed at all.

<< Comment #619 @ 06:59 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #449

hi schitzo

<< Comment #327 @ 15:38 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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arm-a-gedd0n

Congratz to 2z! You guys deserved it!

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Asuka_

worst case scenario clawz rekts vo0 3-0. :(

I'm still rooting for Vo0 tho

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xemorx - Reply to #329

You did this?!

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[calibur]

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<< Comment #339 @ 15:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Lam |

As is customary in these threads for years (used to be for Cypher, rip), let me bring up the fact that gross average monthly salary in Belarus is $432.

If clawz loses and has to go home with mere $125000, that's a 20-year Belarussian salary.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #339

Perhaps he's gonna be taxed 90% :p. I don't know how taxes work in Belarus though.

Edited by Infuscomus at 15:57 CDT, 26 August 2017

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #341

Cooller said winnings get taxed by 30% in the US

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Infuscomus - Reply to #345

Actually I'd be very glad to know how many money do the guys bring back home once all taxes are taken of it (USA apparently as you say, home country, and when the case the TEAM there're in).

<< Comment #351 @ 16:39 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (89.110.53.224)

CLAWZ THE YOUNG GOD Kreygasm PogChamp

<< Comment #350 @ 16:38 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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kK_Storm

Was rooting for Vo0 but clawz is like cypher in his prime. Vo0 is just outclassed.

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adrenal1ne

Congrats clawz

<< Comment #354 @ 16:43 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_

Damn, this is tragic

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<< Comment #356 @ 16:49 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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pacmanpl '

Congratulations to WinD.

Well played and deserved win.
Great QuakeCon this year!

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gbmaster ' - Reply to #356

Agreed!

<< Comment #357 @ 16:50 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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azxx

whew what a rush of a match!

chase with LG, chase with LG, chase with LG

new meta, ez

inb4 Challenge Promode Champions

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<< Comment #358 @ 16:51 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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[calibur]

Well done clawz, GG Voo

Edited by [Calibur] at 16:51 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Asuka_

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GogettO - Reply to #359

I miss Warwitch tho :(

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Nukm

not sure if i should be disgusted or impressed

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<< Comment #361 @ 16:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Garmer

Damn, Clawz played like a....champion! gg

Sure is nice to see some Quake again!

<< Comment #452 @ 17:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (85.222.22.182)

that handshake denied

<< Comment #362 @ 16:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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orrrcccus

SHOCKQon , wow ... no words...
^^^^^^^^^^^^ clawz.

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<< Comment #363 @ 16:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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rockdaddy

No handshake ? Who is teaching kids manners these days ??

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<< Comment #364 @ 16:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Brancaleone

IDK MAN EZ

<< Comment #451 @ 17:19 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (174.92.212.253)

Just wondering is there a lag switch in qc the same way com_maxfps 120 is the lag switch in ql. Clawz lg is hitting like a truck the same way lg hit like a truck when you play a player with com_maxfps 120 and hes playing with 250 fps.

<< Comment #365 @ 16:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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c1

no handshake.................................................................................................................

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<< Comment #366 @ 16:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Z E R O N E R V E S
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gbmaster '

The minimum wage in Belarus equates to a salary of $1,368 a year
Clawz has just won the equivalent of over 128 years of minimum wage in his country :D
Wp man !
Aim ftw

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<< Comment #368 @ 16:55 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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tony

no handshake,ez

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<< Comment #375 @ 16:58 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #368

Yes - i noticed that. Vo0 seemed to go to shake hands but Clawz just went to the trophy... Maybe didn't realise, but starting to notice a pattern... :(

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tony - Reply to #375

i would pee in my pant after winning quakecon
who the fuck care about handshake,ofc after the tournament all together drinkin till coma

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Anonymous (178.214.198.9) - Reply to #385

Maybe when winning lottery – yes, huge gap between skill and achievement. But winning such tournament this easy is much more incremental and expected experience. I would not bet on wet pants at all.

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tony - Reply to #591

Winning lottery is luck,winning something you play,pratice and love for 20 years its another thing
Well i understand ppl playing lottery for 20 years,but theres no skill on that

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Anonymous (173.254.216.66) - Reply to #591

I guess when you've never accomplished anything in life, imagining such an experience can be difficult

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Anonymous (178.214.198.9) - Reply to #742

kappa

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SwarmDMX

Impressive by Clawz - UL Vo0. WP & GG both...

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mouse*

Has someone the no handshake moment clipped? There was some kind of encounter..

Anyway vo0 doesnt have to hide, he didnt go out without a fight and delivered a great performance overall.

Edited by mouse* at 16:58 CDT, 26 August 2017

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dem0n

I was already shaken when 2z chose to go celebrate with the trophy before going for the handshake.

But then clawz did not even go to vo0 for the handshake after winning duel and then I dont know what to say.

What the fuck ?! to vo0 ? One of the nicest and most sportmanship player in the game right now ? He didn't deserve to be ignored.

I'm ashamed. WP vo0 ! You were fantastic throughout this tournament, you proved everyone you still got it ! Heads up.

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<< Comment #376 @ 16:58 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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qtip - Reply to #372

Trump should turn Belarus into glass

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<< Comment #384 @ 17:01 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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tony - Reply to #376

lolled

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tony - Reply to #372

thought the same mate,but i think hes just a shy young guy living an epic moment,i really think it wasnt intentional

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<< Comment #383 @ 17:01 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #380

yeah, its the kid's first major.

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jamalz - Reply to #380

probably intentional, clawz looks like a prick

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<< Comment #398 @ 17:05 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #380

Man that's what I was thinking too the first time when 2z didn't go to handshake notofast. Once is ok, mistakes happen, but twice in a row... This shows an immense lack of respect and his interviews didn't help his case.

We can go on about the excuses : bad english, young, whatever... but the evidence started to pile up.

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<< Comment #412 @ 17:09 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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MailmanMel - Reply to #398

I do agree with you, dick move, hopefully he'll change.
However the standards of BM do change.

I myself would but the no handshake on the same level as "gg quitting" before the timer runs out in QL, a disgusting habit picked up from starcraft or RTS games as a whole.

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wh3nom - Reply to #380

It changes absolutely nothing. He is 19yo not like 9 and r-tarded.

No handshake = showing absolute disrespect to the opponent. No exceptions.

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<< Comment #431 @ 17:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #402

Funniest thing is hes tiny, hes kind of asking to get punched in the face, Vo0 could roundhouse headkick his head into orbit IRL to teach him some respect.

Edited by gSTRUCTOR at 17:16 CDT, 26 August 2017

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*creep - Reply to #431

wtf

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harosh - Reply to #431

wtf

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iavoal - Reply to #431

wtf

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #431

wtf

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Linkyyy - Reply to #431

wtf

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xemorx - Reply to #431

ftw

<< Comment #382 @ 17:00 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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principezwatrem - Reply to #372

Maybe he just doesn't know what to do on stage. I don't know :(

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xemorx - Reply to #382

You are right. No need to think deep here. He's just very young and doesn't know well the 'rituals' we share in our 'developed' countries.

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XPEHOPE3 - Reply to #372

Certain players (not only in quake) are able to shut down emotions almost completely during the game. It's clear Clawz is one of such players (while almost everyone else top quake players is not, especially Cypher and Cooller). And emotions don't just resume after the last match second. In such a mental state people don't feel any complex cultural emotions guiding to shake hands. Question is what happens when such players are not on the battleground and how they behave there.

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Devianthe - Reply to #432

I bet he kicks puppies for fun.

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<< Comment #501 @ 17:55 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ProT : - Reply to #440

Doesn't everyone?

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coyob - Reply to #432

Manners is not emotions.
Manners come from your childhood, they're engraved in your actions.
What happened was that Clawz was not emotionally empty, he was overflowed, and didn't care for anything else.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #372

I was surprised too, but I now ask myself if some people on the side of the stage asked players to get to the trophy fast for images. When Clawz was standing still in front of the trophy, and Vo0 came closer (Clawz should have shaken his hand immediately though) Clawz just turned around and immidiately changed direction to get to the trophy.

Not sure, but could be.

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<< Comment #471 @ 17:26 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #455

This must be exactly what happenned. This boy is just all in himself and doesn't know well the conventional behavior patterns. Telling you this as a psychologist who I am. He'd never ever refused to shake vo0's (or anyone else's) hand if he knew that was smth expected to be done. It's as obvious as it is.

Edited by xemorx at 17:28 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #464 @ 17:24 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #372

handshake is just a gesture, which doesn't mean a lot, and you shouldn't make any conclusions about it

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alb ' - Reply to #372

Yeah, but also keep in mind that the extreme surges of adrenaline and other overwhelming emotions of winning such lifetime sums of money (for them, atleast) could make them forget about manners for a minute or two.

I'm pretty sure this will change soon, as it was their first time win/big tourney.

But yeah, it didn't look pretty for sure.

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Devianthe

I puked in my mouth a little.

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tony

this is the quakecon of sorlag and lg
need fixes

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ProT : - Reply to #378

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Asuka_ - Reply to #390

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mouse* - Reply to #395

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Devianthe - Reply to #404

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Asuka_ - Reply to #407

R

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<< Comment #428 @ 17:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Brancaleone - Reply to #423

Did it seriously work out? Impressive

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mouse* - Reply to #428

Clawz united the community. Its time for a Cypher Clawz grudgematch

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mouse* - Reply to #428

Clawz united the community. Its time for a Cypher Clawz grudgematch

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Asuka_ - Reply to #428

Clawz united the community. Its time for a Cypher Clawz grudgematch

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xemorx - Reply to #428

Cypher united the community. Its time for a Clawz Cypher grudgematch

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Infuscomus - Reply to #428

Cypher united the community. Its time for a Clawz Cypher grudgematch

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iavoal - Reply to #428

Cypher united the community. Its time for a Clawz Cypher grudgematch

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iavoal

"Clawz need just one thing to win Qcon: lg cells" Agent

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<< Comment #387 @ 17:03 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

This guys is the best thing to happen to id/bethesda.

Marketing wise this should be fully exploited, look millenials, theres a 19 years old that just won 175k by beating all the quake legends he found in this path, and with an amazing spectator friendly style.

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<< Comment #409 @ 17:08 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mouse* - Reply to #387

Told you 2 days ago, everyone loves a villain. Clawz will earn this game a ton of money. I bet NaVi Fnatic and co are calling people right now

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Ian215 - Reply to #387

Yep but dont interview him :D

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GG nikita

+ seeing the outline of a fucking dinosaur sneaking around cracked me up every time
+ seeing all the big names battling it out again with big monies on the line
+ twitch allowing me to permanently hide chat
+ clawz <3
+ wheat, makaveli, ddk + zsx best duo in a LONG time
+ right amount of jehar
+ redeye was ok
+ sense of increased professionalism, right amount of production values, not too over the top or reminiscent of wubstep flishy flashy waste of money and neurons you see for other games these days
+ thankfully no stage presence by tim and the gang, no game-deciding stupid bugs that I was aware of, although it was hard to tell (the classic Quaker Syndrome where you actually end up being utterly thankful when id software manage to completely not fuck up a given thing)
+ cooller

o wasn't really engaged by the games or even able to pay much attention to whatever the fuck was supposed to be going on, just seeing who would win kept me watching tbh. still needed to spend most of the time watching it standing up lifting weights to make sure it didn't feel like a complete waste of time
o first day classic quakecon clownfiesta which fortunately I missed
o almost right amount of tosspot
o no bawls chuggin, not sure how I feel about that
o unprecedented amount of tiebreakers and close matches, but round based duel is still lmao regardless
o nice they chose q3 soundtrack but had THE SAME FUCKING SONG ON REPEAT
o promo vids, even with tim, were somewhat interesting... THE FIRST 11 TIMES

- only saw one single SG shot, pretty sure it was accidental
- strategy/positioning/importance aside, practically zero impressive frags, found myself reacting to the frags themselves maybe... twice?
- extremely hazardous and life-threatening stage design
- relatively pathetic amount of stream viewers
- same 3 champions over and over again, which apparently is cleverly disguised as "meta"
- 90% of frags are close range surprise parkinson LG battles
- close range rocket fights were visually impossible to figure out
- what the fuck did they do to my beloved ztn?
- terrible spectator hud
- dahang still not caring about his physical appearance
- rapha and cooller knocked out T_T
- sad stermy face :<
- melancholic noctis face :3
- no rapha commentary
- nowhere on screen showing overall map score
- zoot, blu, "ketchup and mustard", where the fuck do they find these people
- syncerror looking rather unhealthy in the promo vids
- sacrifice is a fucking unwatchable mess, basically just one long deathcam extravaganzza
- everyone going on and on and on about the fucking new blood vs old blood shit, yes we get it sheeeesh
- no stage ceremony with qcon girlz
- this isn't really quake is it?

Welp, I think that's my yearly dose of QC done with, was interesting, better than expected, curious what the gamemodes and config settings are (not) implemented in 12 month's time. Still not touching this for now, c u on #tdmpickup kek

Edited by quake is potat at 17:06 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #406 @ 17:07 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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nsx0r - Reply to #388

no bawls chuggin

pls

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<< Comment #434 @ 17:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #406

lol

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sonic - Reply to #406

speechless..

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #406

oh dear god

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DamianLillard - Reply to #406

Kenneth "KenCo12" Konarzewski Jr ;(

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sya_ - Reply to #406

At least NA is good at something. WP

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<< Comment #574 @ 03:37 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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M1zzu - Reply to #537

He4rTL3sS would like to have a word with you.

Edited by M1zzu at 03:39 CDT, 27 August 2017

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principezwatrem - Reply to #388

Zoot is a column of european quake scene, you monster.

Edited by principezwatrem at 17:09 CDT, 26 August 2017

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nsx0r - Reply to #410

you mean "pillar"?

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<< Comment #461 @ 17:21 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #437

nah, he meant to say clown in fact :D

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principezwatrem - Reply to #437

Yes, I meant that.

Edited by principezwatrem at 10:50 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #388

plussed for 'parkinson LG battles'

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nsx0r - Reply to #411

plussed for 'plussed for 'parkinson LG battles''

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baksteen - Reply to #503

plussed for 'plussed for 'plussed for 'parkinson LG battles'''

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #554

plussed for plussed for 'plussed for 'plussed for 'parkinson LG battles'''

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baksteen - Reply to #565

You didn't plus me tho

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<< Comment #633 @ 08:52 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #608

i'll pluss you =)

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #608

Forgot the most important part...

Sry, have 2 pluses <3

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Lam | - Reply to #388

twitch allowing me to permanently hide chat

https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink + https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv

You're welcome.

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mouse* - Reply to #388

You dont put zoot in a row with ketch and musta you hear me?!

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iavoal - Reply to #388

same most of the points.

+agents unholy commenting the shit out the qcon, the attendees, the commentators, you name it
+sac seemed almost okay when properly played and commented
+not everything was fucked up after the 1st day
+good numbers in twitch and steam streams - maybe we will see another qc majors after all
...
+and most of my bets nailed it :P
did almost 300$ in winnings, the most profitable qcon for me by far

Edited by iavoal at 17:14 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #430

FFS stop saying that about agent without giving us a mighty best-of of everything he said, dammit ! We NEED to know.

<< Comment #622 @ 07:16 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #526

Well, mate, i'll write tiny bit i remember)

For example, he kept calling cooller a "dinosaur who lives in a basement" (because cooller is older than most of the contesters, using sorlag and plays very passive, mostly sitting in the basement on Ruins).

He kept calling Ruins of Sarmath the Ruins of Saratov (thats a small old town in Russia). Thats funny as hell.

He kept calling clawz "Klaudia" - thats an old-school woman's name, the proper name for a some old school teacher, somehow it sounds hilarious.

When Clawz was fighting Voo, Agent said that after Klaudia's lg the last hairs will fall off from Voo, not just the ones from the head.

He kept insisting that Fazz has an unfair advantage over other players because of his glasses - "lupas" as he was calling them (its like "magnifying glasses"). And that Fazz has double zoom because of it.

Also he was constantly speaking about the boat for all CIS attendees who was eliminated from the tourney, meaning that they wont have a money to fly back and will have to swim through Pacific Ocean. "IN THE BOAT, BITCH!!!!" right after the losing frag.

And many, many more, cba to remember it all)

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<< Comment #625 @ 07:21 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #622

I played ni Saratov in a small club with my black metal band. This city isn't very small :p.

This is glorious material right here seriously, guy lives up to his reputation :). Really hope he can go on LAN and meet those players :p.

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iavoal - Reply to #625

He will)

There's a story of Agent going to Mediamarkt QC lan (which cooller won), where he met 102.Cooke (they have a really bad blood, mostly because of agent's bad mouthing the shit out of alex, kicking him from the servers and so on - without any good reasons at all).

Cooke met him there and asked the Agent to go out. So that they could talk and he could broke his nose)

And there are two different versions of the end of the story - Cooke says that the Agents left to avoid him and Agent's version is quite the opposite.

Edited by iavoal at 08:30 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #630

I hope agent has at least one or two friends in the community :p. Otherwise he's going to feel lonely at LANs. He was pretty okay with Ash I think but the guy disappeared from Quake so...

<< Comment #664 @ 11:00 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #644

One - it is base :)

<< Comment #651 @ 09:54 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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simonov - Reply to #622

Didn't hear much "Klaudia". Agent usually calls Clawz "kroshka-kartoshka" ("potato baby"). Because he's young, tiny and from Belarus, which is stereotyped as potato-producing country.

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<< Comment #661 @ 10:45 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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tony - Reply to #622

My younger daughter's name is Claudia :)

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Infuscomus - Reply to #388

"- nowhere on screen showing overall map score"

What ?

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<< Comment #604 @ 05:25 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #528

You know, not the rounds for the current map, but how many actual maps have been played, the good old MAPSCORE. Not everyone sits there watching each match from the beginning.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #604

Yes, and you missed it because I'm pretty sure map score was in everygame, just under the small fire-like round counter line, aside the three players champions faces in duel for example.

Just look here aside player names, you have 1 for DaHanG and 1 for Cooller : https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169936176?t=4h10m8s

It's small, but it's here.

Edited by Infuscomus at 05:59 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #621 @ 07:09 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #610

lol I'm retarded, thx

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<< Comment #624 @ 07:18 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #621

No problem. Might make them try to make it more visible though :p.

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EKSelenc - Reply to #388

>same 3 champions over and over again, which apparently is cleverly disguised as "meta"

Ah, but now you're actually starting to get it!

See, they've added all these champions and stuff to make the game more diverse and stocked with variety. It worked out just great, didn't it?

<< Comment #731 @ 23:03 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #388

Do not forget the ridiculous Spawn System in duels. Poor Cooller ... :/

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<< Comment #391 @ 17:04 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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mouse*

Handshake Skip

https://clips.twitch.tv/SavageAgreeableTermiteGrammarKing

brutal

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<< Comment #394 @ 17:05 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Devianthe - Reply to #391

IDK IDC EZ MAN

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megaman3 - Reply to #391

That kid is quite the asshole. That was on purpose.

Edited by megaman3 at 17:05 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Belial - Reply to #397

he is a kid that has every right to be mentally distracted after winning 100 years worth of belarus money . He has had this playstyle and behaviour for many years now, and because he won, he`s an ass ? grow up . He shoots and dont care, clawz style since forever.

But, he should learn some manners , and im sure he will .

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<< Comment #433 @ 17:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #416

He is an ass because he's been acting like an asshole for the whole weekend. Who the fuck rejects a handshake: zero respect for Voo as a person.

Winning doesn't make him an asshole: just a notorious one.

Edited by megaman3 at 17:18 CDT, 26 August 2017

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melechesh ' - Reply to #397

Real easy to sit from home and look at the gif and say it was on purpose, but in his defense the kid is quite literally living the dream. Didn't you see his fucking reaction when he won? He didn't even know what to do next apart from stay seated and keep on breathing. Thx latrommi for CPR. At the moment of handshake his mind was no doubt still all over the place while instinct told him he better get the trophy, badly timed handshake I'd say. Exact same thing happened to me the other day when I won a cooking certificate in a room of about 20 people. A FUCKING COOKING CERTIFICATE.

Almost every single post-duel handshake I saw this QC was completely half hearted and absent minded on behalf of the victor, even from the veterans, as thousands of newly earned dollars and dreams of winning grand final are flowing through their minds. So imagine what's going through the mind of a 19yo kid who does actually win both grand finals with 180k suddenly in his pocket.

That's how I see it, but we don't actually know the kid so we'll never really know.

Edited by quake is potat at 17:45 CDT, 26 August 2017

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megaman3 - Reply to #473

Except this kid has been acting like an ass for the whole weekend and overall is a known asshole. Disrespecting Voo was just the last straw.

And again, who the fuck even thinks of rejecting a handshake. That's just so disrespectful.

Edited by megaman3 at 17:36 CDT, 26 August 2017

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xemorx - Reply to #479

please don't fantasize more than necessary. You're seeing thing within a perspective of a grown-up man. Don't you really see that clawz is a little bit 'off'?

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Infuscomus - Reply to #479

There is no way to know if he was looking at Vo0 here, his reaction is really really strange. If he wantd to go for the trophy first, why didn't he do it immediately ? To me, it seems he actually crosses the eyes of a staff man that asks him to go to the trophy, and it seems like he turns to Vo0 but is remembered that he must go for the trophy for images, etc.

Could be wrong though, but that's how I felt when I saw the clip live and now I watch it again I still think it's possible.

EDIT : Just look at how they used the clip of him going to grab the trophy on the Quake Champions official twitter...

Edited by Infuscomus at 18:13 CDT, 26 August 2017

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xemorx - Reply to #473

I concur :)

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rockdaddy - Reply to #391

Voo just smiled knowing kid doesnt care.....

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principezwatrem - Reply to #405

Hope he is just missing the etiquette and not the attitude.

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mouse* - Reply to #405

Its an easy smile though, vo0 is bringing home 50k I think his wife will be happy and he doesnt care for a teenagers attitude

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Lam | - Reply to #418

50+25/4

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mouse* - Reply to #436

right!

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zeroql - Reply to #391

savage

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jamalz - Reply to #391

yoooo cold as ice, he straight looked him in the eye and was like "fuck off baldy" and went to the trophy instead

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<< Comment #446 @ 17:18 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (5.66.67.71) - Reply to #391

Disgusting.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #391

GAS HIM

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ggnore - Reply to #429

Gas the jews?

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<< Comment #566 @ 02:44 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #494

Watch out!
I've heard you can go to jail for watching that video.

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ggnore - Reply to #566

Jews the gas?

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #636

START RACE CAR NOW!

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Yellack - Reply to #391

voo should have pummeled him in the face tbh...

<< Comment #477 @ 17:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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rax- - Reply to #443

Implying any of these nerds know how to fight...

And getting yourself charged in a foreign country is hardly a wise move :)

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lukee - Reply to #477

vo0 is a BJJ blackbelt

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xemorx - Reply to #514

meaning 'blow job j...' what's the last 'j' for?

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p0rt - Reply to #663

jockey

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SwarmDMX

Maybe Stermy, Vo0 or rapha should start to give sportsmanship lessons to the new blood...

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sonic - Reply to #393

no thanks

Edited by sonic at 17:06 CDT, 26 August 2017

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nsx0r - Reply to #399

this image has been used and abused.

geddit?

anyone?

Edited by nsx0r at 04:06 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #458

I like this Finntroll song :p

Edited by Infuscomus at 11:10 CDT, 27 August 2017

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nsx0r - Reply to #667

bingo

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Anonymous (85.196.245.80) - Reply to #393

or agent

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gSTRUCTOR '

"Staying calm is all i practice" clawz

Kunfu Panda next level shit.

Great Quakecon man, was hooked the full three days, sac is nice, messy, but very fun and adrenalinic.

and of

C O O L L E R
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<< Comment #403 @ 17:07 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sonic - Reply to #396

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLER PEOPLE'S CHAMPION

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #403

O
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PEOPLE'S CHAMPION

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kluczmen - Reply to #396

3 days? I was hooked for 2 months :D

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Anonymous (73.11.122.16)

Do any of you think Clawz was actually cheating? It honestly looked like a low FOV aimbot. Just wondering if anyone else got that impression. Not trying to take anything away from him. That was insane, but a lot of the decisions he made didn't make tactical sense, but he won them anyway simply due to raw aim. He played similarly to an aimbotter, so I am wondering if anyone got the same impression. We know now that people can put low fov aimbots on mice and cheat on LAN, so it wouldn't be impossible.

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Devianthe - Reply to #448

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #448

I actually did see a few rails where he acted like he could see Vo0 before he popped out of the corner. Means nothing, but hey, that's what I saw.

<< Comment #470 @ 17:25 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Ian215 - Reply to #448

His "trembling" aim in lg battle is strange sometimes, but cheating at quakecon? Lol

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Anonymous (178.214.198.9) - Reply to #470

I'd let him keep the moneys just for not getting caught then.

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Anonymous (174.92.212.253) - Reply to #448

It's not that he was playing with a aim bot he just knew people couldn't hit him back. If you played ql you know that timenudge or com_maxfps 120 can you make you ghost like to some players depending on their settings. Its the same for Clawz he found the lag switch and was aggressive because he knew that people couldn't really hit him back the same way he does. There's a lot of situation where clawz should've died but the warp saved him. I have really good aim in ql and that's what i found out about the ql netcode. I play better with a video running on my second monitor because it fucks my fps up and makes me warpy to others. Sometime if a player hit me too much i just change my fps from 250 to 120 and suddenly i'm a ghost to him (or timenudge or 144 it depends on the server). I'm not a duel player so i don't know if the warp help as much in a mode where aim isn't as important but its a thing in CA for sure. Its a shame that nothing has been done about this. At least ID saw the problem with the maxpacket command (63 max packet and lg and rocket was godlike but people could rail you easily) but irc fps are still tied to the way your packet is sent to a server (or some shit like that) so there's a lot of way that you can fuck up your ability to get hit. I think it happened to everyone playing quake where there's a player you cant hit no matter what. Clawz found the switch. The same way Evil found the switch online. Even cypher was complaining about it.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #512

He found the switch to mess up with the lag at QuakeCon ?

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Anonymous (124.128.123.164) - Reply to #448

lol, go back to csgo.

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Anonymous (217.209.169.137) - Reply to #448

yep, was thinking the same thing. i've personally never seen a quake pro with such a twitchy crosshair movement while being so accurate. tox, cypher, evil... most of the time they have smooth and natural looking aim. they often do small correction shakes, i do that as well, but those shakes don't stretch from one side of the hitbox to the other like with clawz, and they still look human. the only players i've seen with this crosshair behaviour are confirmed aimbotters.

does anyone honestly think this crosshair movement looks natural?
https://clips.twitch.tv/PerfectDirtyRadishKappaWealth

what is this fast looking half circle that he suddenly does around vo0's head in the middle of his tracking at 1:19 while he jumps into the teleporter?
https://clips.twitch.tv/RefinedFlirtySandwichLitty

watch them in 0.25x speed too.

and yes, cheating on lan has been done in csgo for example and is still going on. several pros have confirmed that the anti-cheat measures on lan aren't as good as people would think. there are multiple ways to do it, such as having the cheat inside the software/memory of the mouse like you said.

rapha retweeted this a few months ago btw:
https://twitter.com/karriganCSGO/status/844974881628471297

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Lam | - Reply to #693

First clip is exactly how Cooller aimed this tournament, too. Plus, cheats don't flap around like this. It's just high sens.

And if you see the crosshair jump suddenly in the second clip, please remember this game freezes for half a second every time you enter a new room, so...

There's a lot of high sensitivity (or high accel) players, even in the top tier, from rapha through k1llsen to early agent (nowadays his 360s per second is below 1).

And remember cas? If this makes you think clawz is cheating, you should watch cas replays :D

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Anonymous (217.209.169.137) - Reply to #695

yeah, i know many players have extreme accel amounts such as k1llsen, but i still don't remember seeing his or anyone's aim behave like this. their aim still looked natural to me. i've heard clawz has plenty of accel too nowadays. oh well. i suppose it could be the game lagging or fucking up in some way like you say, which makes it look more aimbot-ish than it would look in quake live, although i didn't really see any freezes during that weird circle for example. but yes, the game freezes often overall and pretty much every time the moment you kill someone, really annoying.

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Emenike - Reply to #693

Anonymous expert never seen a quake pro with such a twitchy crosshair movement while being so accurate.

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Anonymous (217.209.169.137) - Reply to #693

whatever. mods feel free to delete the post. i shouldn't jump to conclusions when the game has its problems right now and those are just two clips after all.

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Anonymous (217.209.169.137) - Reply to #448

if it's not an aimbot then it's something else with the game or something because i really doubt those weird twitches and anomalies are caused by him. i have a hard time imagining anyone would move their mouse in such a way.

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Asuka_

He's almost the new Cypher, too bad he got a pretty shitty attitude. repelling

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neet - Reply to #408

that's a massive insult to cypher. cypher is smart as fuck; clawz is verging on braindead with nothing but aim.

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #542

clueless, he does his strat so seamingly that you didnt even noticed it, prolly not on cypher level but the experience differnece. is also huge.

Edited by gSTRUCTOR at 21:18 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Gp - Reply to #542

noob

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Anonymous (128.72.110.18)

Quake is dead man... Remember the 2016 QCON final? Tactics and shit.
And what is this? Take shaft and 777777777777?
The should decrease damage to 6 asap...

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<< Comment #415 @ 17:09 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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stripy

preity apparent which champion(s) need to be nerfed.

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Anonymous (178.252.59.13)

Clawz isn't deserved to be QC winner personality. He showed us his bad manners and ignorance of english language. Yeb, he have amazing aim, especially lg and his is fast with Sorlag. I mean Sorlag is fucking OP rightnow. Its so boring watching him every match. And his fuckiing tactic that depends on waiting and whining when opponent studded for him.

<< Comment #420 @ 17:10 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sonic

Edited by sonic at 17:11 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #421 @ 17:10 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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People are butthurt about no handshake but that's the secret to his power, NEVER HAS HE TOUCHED THE HANDS OF ANOTHER MAN

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<< Comment #426 @ 17:12 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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nsx0r - Reply to #421

nice flag

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c1 - Reply to #421

this sounds like he prefer sucking ........ of another man

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endstufe - Reply to #421

Literally looked him in the eye and didn't shake his hand, cringeworthy

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moonlight - Reply to #421

he handshaked Cooller
but maybe it was an exception

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Asuka_ - Reply to #495

For the record, it was literally cooller going to his seat to do the handshake, before that he showed no intentions to do it. lul

Edited by Asuka_ at 17:56 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #438 @ 17:16 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Jamerio :

Vo0 Vs Clawz final in a new rendering engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKRnEOUxZm0&t=0m43s

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<< Comment #498 @ 17:49 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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alb ' - Reply to #438

:D

<< Comment #439 @ 17:17 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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pacmanpl '

At the end of every big Quake tournament I really wanted to play some Quake.

THE PUMP!!!
Cool frags, air rockets, clutches, mindgames, skill, MOMENTUM!!!

Now I really don't want to play any QC.

Is it Quake anymore?
Or are we dancer?

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<< Comment #460 @ 17:21 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #439

Like there was no skill, mindgames, air rockets in this tournament ?

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Insaccato - Reply to #460

there was no quake

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<< Comment #529 @ 18:33 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #521

Okay, I admit this was a good answer :p.

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Insaccato - Reply to #529

tournament was hype for money and all the good old quake players, but this game is not ready.
tbh the first qcon duel final i didn't enjoy D:

Edited by Insaccato at 05:38 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Infuscomus

So, Clawz entered History tonight and won an enormous amount of fame and money (for Quake), and at the same time already became meme worthy with a collection of quotes :

"I don't know man, easy"

"I have zero nerves at all"

"It's all in the mind man"

"I can outaim everyone so why not"

Really strange that they forgot the handshakes (took some time for 2z before Xron I think saw toxjq advancing), but then again I wonder if some staff didn't ask them to go to the trophy immidiately. I guess it's more because of the extreme excitment than not caring about fair play though.

Edited by Infuscomus at 11:13 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #472 @ 17:28 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Sleorer

clawz giving no fucks and winning more in 3 days than the old dudes did in 10 years of quake

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<< Comment #474 @ 17:30 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Lethe

i wanna see cypher fuck this kid up as soon as possible.

good tournament though.

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Asuka_ - Reply to #474

I wanna see that too, but, IMO it doesn't really matter if Cypher or even rapha win the next 3 Quake champions lans, because the prizepool surely wouldn't be as big as this one was (personally, that's why I was so excited to see someone like Cypher, Cooller or rapha winning this, so they could expand their legacy and their success and get some kind of "real" reward for the years they already expend playing this game), hell, it wouldn't even matter if Clawz never gets to perform like this again, because he just stole this much money he shouldn't even care about something like that.

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Lethe - Reply to #496

why do you think the money is so important? that's like saying dota tournaments after The International make no sense cause the prize pool is way lower. they already announced the dreamhack tournaments and the prizepool is a dozen times bigger than what 90% of quake tournaments to date used to have. how exactly is that bad? cooller won eswc 2003 which was one of the toughest tournaments in history and he took like 4000$.

for me it's way better for someone else to take the title in the new game rather than the same old fucking faces that i've been watching for a decade.

<< Comment #505 @ 17:59 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_ - Reply to #500

I don't, I just wanted to see this "big fat" prizepool going to some of the old school legends.

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Lethe - Reply to #505

well it could have happened but they got their asses kicked.

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<< Comment #480 @ 17:33 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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MailmanMel

I'd presume events like this are choreographed as fuck.
"if you win go there, stand for n+1 seconds, do that, go to host ... answer at least n+1 questions"

"if you lose gg, but make it that you're out of sight"

He should have made an effort towards vo0, but we don't know if he was specifically told to shake or not shake.

Also lets not forget that the 2z guys stormed him (how the fuck did the gain access so fast anyway?), before he could stand up. One of them literally dragged him out of the chair and shook him up.

Perhaps he was overwhelmed, perhaps his original plans to shake hands were interrupted?

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<< Comment #499 @ 17:49 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Asuka_ - Reply to #480

"to shake or not shake"

Edited by Asuka_ at 17:50 CDT, 26 August 2017

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Torzelan '

Enjoyed this QuakeCon a lot. Massive respect for Cooller & Vo0, both players I've had to learn to love over time but goddamn have they earned it. Playing at this level for this long, insane.

Happy to see "new" blood do so well too, and Clawz' LG obviously makes me rock hard, but the lack of personality and handshake (poor English & age of 19 excuses neither IMO) puts a damper on things for me. Next tournament(s) performance and behaviour will decide how big a fan I am. Not that he needs anyone's approval, obviously.

Best case scenario here is a rivalry with Vo0 coming for revenge.

Edit: Oh, and next LAN tournament Cypher needs to show everyone what we missed, of course.

Edited by Torzelan at 17:38 CDT, 26 August 2017

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<< Comment #639 @ 09:10 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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kodisha - Reply to #482

You can clearly see cyphers attitude from his tweets:

cYpheRqc‏ @cypherrrino 16h16 hours ago

Google Translate:

I really want to go home to trainings and show what I can do on the next LAN Champion, see you soon !!

Edited by kodisha at 09:14 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #793 @ 15:21 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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belowavgsize - Reply to #639

*championship. Its not against clawz its just him wanting to practice hard and show what he can do at the next lan.

<< Comment #483 @ 17:36 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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n00k1e

Clawz's Secret https://streamable.com/8upfv

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<< Comment #497 @ 17:49 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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grimpants - Reply to #483

best post ever.

<< Comment #553 @ 21:43 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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n00k1e - Reply to #497

(extended version) https://streamable.com/d88jz

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<< Comment #487 @ 17:42 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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moonlight

Guys when you think someone from Russia / CIS is arrogant, dont forget about language barrier. I noticed multiple times, even with professional interpreters, the translation often sounds more harsh than the original. That said, clawz maybe has some attitude. Handshake was awkward lol, but dont think it was on purpose.

I dont really like duels to be "+forward and attack with shaft and sorlag", but you gotta appreciate clawz, even if just for his aim and fighting skills. Kid is amazing in quake - won both sacrifice and duel - this is something.

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<< Comment #488 @ 17:42 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Jamerio :

Does anyone else find it really exciting, we've got this cocky new kid on the block, and he does not get on with Cypher?

Is it me, or is that one hell of a reason to follow quake champs at a tournament level?!

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<< Comment #522 @ 18:24 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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baksteen - Reply to #488

Where along the way did cypher and clawz not get along? I only know cypher acted as sort of a mentor for him back in ql.

<< Comment #532 @ 18:54 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #522

Clawz was asked about how he gets on with cypher on stream and clawz said they fell out.was frosty.

<< Comment #548 @ 21:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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diegowar : - Reply to #522

Apparently Agent said on stream that it was some Overwatch business (like Cypher initially invited him in a team but later had to let him go from the team, something like that).

<< Comment #491 @ 17:43 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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SwarmDMX

I hope Av3k steals his shoes

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<< Comment #511 @ 18:03 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (37.187.147.158)

looking at his eyes i can tell 100% he was on emphetamines. esports at its finest...

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<< Comment #517 @ 18:10 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #511

You should be a policeman...

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ProT : - Reply to #517

In the Philippines.

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<< Comment #523 @ 18:28 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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c1 - Reply to #511

his eyes actually looked very suspicious

https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialIcyGullWOOP

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<< Comment #595 @ 04:42 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #523

dilated pupils or what are we looking for here?

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an1me - Reply to #595

sure if you have pupils the size of saucers (like on xtc) that's a sign, but if they are just normal dilated it could just be sign of excitement, I noticed this on girls for example, another telltale sign of stimulant use is dry mouth and grinding you teeth

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Infuscomus - Reply to #609

"I noticed this on girls"

Yeah right :p.

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an1me - Reply to #623

yeah while I was dreaming of course, I'm a virgin like everyone else here

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<< Comment #560 @ 00:56 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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erok - Reply to #511

They should just give everyone a few 30mg pills of adderall before the tournament for equal ground. I thought the same thing watching that interview after cooller

<< Comment #510 @ 18:02 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (37.187.147.158)

So at 19 ppl call him a kid? At which age are you not a kid anymore in 2017?

<< Comment #520 @ 18:15 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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Devianthe - Reply to #510

He's a kid when the rest of the guys are in their 30s.

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*creep - Reply to #520

doesn't make him a kid though. Or would you call a 12 year old a baby if he's hanging out with 18 year olds?

Bear in mind he do look younger than he is.

<< Comment #534 @ 19:13 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #525

anyone under 25 is a kid

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<< Comment #581 @ 03:56 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (178.214.198.9) - Reply to #534

nice try, kid

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mala - Reply to #510

anything under 55....im still a kid at 45!

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<< Comment #576 @ 03:42 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Ian215 - Reply to #510

32, vo0 age

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nsx0r

forget the handshake, this guy needs a hug

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<< Comment #544 @ 20:20 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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n00k1e - Reply to #516

Full Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJ6bFNll6A

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<< Comment #527 @ 18:31 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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ggnore

Clawz victory speech is already on Youtube

Amazing final, two insanely talented players and one player who just brought it all, can't wait to see who knocks him off the top, I'm thinking Rapha is the one to do it next, he'll not be happy not placing top 3.

Edited by UNIVERSESIXHIT at 18:32 CDT, 26 August 2017

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grimpants

beta related dramas aside, the event was pretty good. looking forward to a few more patches and the EU dreamhack now. handshakes in esports are overratted, ggs are good enough.

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<< Comment #536 @ 19:29 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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fur*q

I think this might be good for Cypher. Just observing and working out what's needed to be done. If the frosty relationship thing is true, it will likely make him more motivated!

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #536

"I think this might be good for Cypher."

Missing out on Quakes biggest prize pool is?

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #541

cold

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fur*q - Reply to #541

Fuck the money

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Nukm - Reply to #552

yeah, fuck the money! who needs 100k as professional gamer at an age where you think about starting a family.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #594

Starting a family in 2017... What's next, opening concentration camps ?

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<< Comment #538 @ 19:44 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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yoyoman

I assumed evil sucked at this game and cooller and cypher were winning the 125fps tourneys because you can't be aggressive like in ql. Now i dun no wot to think.

<< Comment #540 @ 19:50 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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sya_

Big respect to Voo, such a humble nice guy who I really hoped would win. GL for the future, you can hold your head up high.

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<< Comment #551 @ 21:24 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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bogOtac

Funny how everyone is hating clawz now that he won, i bet if voo won everyone would be crying about broken anarki.

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #551

what part of esr and grown ass cry babies you dont understand.

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<< Comment #561 @ 01:42 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Sandslash - Reply to #551

People hating on clawz have never been 19 with 2 titles and made more money in 4 days than they separately can't make in 5-10 years.

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<< Comment #627 @ 08:12 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Shahe - Reply to #551

It's more his mannerisms to be honest. He's comes off as pretentious. He's just, but that's just a reason not an excuse.

<< Comment #555 @ 21:49 CDT, 26 August 2017 >>

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yoyoman

Insane aim vs insane movement

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adem - Reply to #555

so basically ins vs ins?

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<< Comment #558 @ 00:16 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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mala

clawz won simply by his name:

nikita name meaning "victorious one"

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p0rt - Reply to #558

nikita name meaning "some female french assassin"

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<< Comment #613 @ 06:13 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Pawulon - Reply to #558

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Lejionator - Reply to #613

Edited by Lejionator at 17:11 CDT, 28 August 2017

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Pawulon - Reply to #558

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<< Comment #570 @ 03:15 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Gp

clawz win is really good for quake, exciting new kid on the block with attitude (a good vilain like someone said, can't make a good movie without a good vilain !). Gratz to Vo0 and hope he continues playing and pushing in QC.

I am really, really looking forward at some Cypher action in a next tournament

like many others, I love zoot but zsx + ddk was the perfect chemistry, perfect casting srsly, best commentating duo I've seen probably. I would love to see 2gd + ddk though

and as always its impressive how cooller is an irresistible caracter, players like him or strenx are so much more enjoyable than semi autistic nerds (not limited to quake but e sports in general)

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<< Comment #611 @ 06:01 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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an1me - Reply to #570

actually Jehar is my favorite, his voice is soothing, possibly with ddk would be the optimal combo, for pure hype Tosspot might be the best though, 2gd for game knowledge, zoot for jack of all trades

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #611

nice breakdown

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ogdiabz - Reply to #611

2gd and ddk best combo

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zuphrin - Reply to #611

2GD + anybody who isn't annoying.

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<< Comment #684 @ 13:05 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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gbmaster ' - Reply to #570

+1 on ddk and zsx being the perfect combo, was really impressed at zsx's commentary!

<< Comment #590 @ 04:34 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Zalman

This was my favorite Quakecon tournament.

<< Comment #575 @ 03:41 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Gravgon

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169791596?t=1h37m31s

Quake2 finals for those interested

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<< Comment #583 @ 04:03 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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stripy - Reply to #575

wow

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nsx0r - Reply to #575

nice, ~~where's the coverage for QW?~~
edit: here it is QW finals: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/170010645?t=00h21m21s

Edited by nsx0r at 04:33 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #587 @ 04:15 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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leopold ' - Reply to #584

\o/ LocKtar \o/

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #587

LocKtar being Lock -- miss his hilarious streams.
So wtf is the guy on the left douching it up next to Lock's check? Sorry if I'm being sacrilegious to one of the QW gods.

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Devianthe - Reply to #640

He looks fantastic, though.

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leopold ' - Reply to #640

If I got that correctly from the vod he or his company sponsored the qw tournament at quakecon.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/170010645?t=07m24s
They are behind the "Dusk" game that you can see in the breaks of that stream.

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leopold ' - Reply to #657

just bought that game for supporting qw:)

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #587

Ogar!

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leopold ' - Reply to #575

now that's one oldschool massacre:)

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rockdaddy - Reply to #575

Some true skill there <3

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jamalz - Reply to #575

HOLY FUCK! The guy who won is absolutely INSANE holy shit son. I spray'd cum !

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #620

Although older than Clawz, Polish q2 player David basically brought his own "patch" to the q2 tournament and breaks the current wheel of strat/play to useless, crumbly pieces. He uses all eight(nobody uses reg shotty) q2 weaps with the same ruthlessness Clawz uses lg.

Granted, there are several CIS/EU q2 players who couldn't travel given the money prize and distribution and could provide a substantial challenge to David than what he met in Texas; no matter, the frag totals would just be less lopsided.
I understand how hectic the schedules were at Qcon, but I also know that Dahang sunk more hours into q2 than any other quake over his life -- I wonder if David or Dahang thought about a friendly duel? On ztn2dm3? I know David would win in lopsided fashion, but he would get pushed and surprised in some interesting ways -- make the tournament more than just picking up the eazzziest $2500 he's ever made.

I get the need to promote QC in this tournament, but given all the nostalgic quake clips used and historical reminders, I think it's a real loss missing an interview with David and get his historical perspective on one of the more influential quake iterations.

Edited by evilbollweevil at 09:48 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #728 @ 22:59 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #649

I agree with you, and that was a really SAD and DEPLORABLE fact for QuakeCon. I have the impression that Q2 seems to be something like a "rejected son" because they did not give half the attention to the Q2 tournament than the event gave to QW tournament at last year. Simply ridiculous!!!

And about David, he's a talented and humble boy, a shame they did not pay him any more attention there. The tournament has lost much of its brilliance with the absence of known stars from the world community of Q2, such as Purri, Damiah, Provi, Syanid, NumaveZi, isbjorn, Daelmun, alexJ, Pepek, Pogo, ibogine, umustdie, just to name a few that I I remember now. But I think David would win anyway, because he's a monster, but it would have been so much more exciting!

But shit, not even the Americans from the tastyspleen community I saw there, like Naymlis, Barton, Optica, Defiant, Adrenal1ne. I do not know why the hell there was so much apathy about the 20-year Quake2 commemorative tournament. =(

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<< Comment #841 @ 15:34 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #728

Damn! Haven't heard those names in forever. Ibo jumps on ztn2dm3 <3 I think Isbjorn is as old as Vo0, but like Warrior and Syanid(smartest dueler) staged a bit of a comeback in EDL.
NumaveZi has been a very pleasant surprise over the years, rightfully taking his place with the giants. Very surprised naymlis or adzilla(adren) didn't participate. imo naymlis could've taken that ez 2nd place money or absent him -- adren could make a go of it.
I know, I know -- we can 'what if' all day long:
Once you toss in one of those mentioned names, q2 duel deepens to a much fuller range of tactics, instead of the sliver of strat we got to see in the finals.
Props to pthy for stepping up and at least making the kind of showing dz.Doze did back in the 2005 qcon finals vs. Purri.

Lejiionator -- man, you took me back. I used to get demos from Muerte right after EDL. Some of those Turricaine dm1 matches, CLEANER in 4v4 dm3 matches, APKIS dm2 duels and 2v2 Provi/Optimizer matches...ahhh :)

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adrenal1ne - Reply to #841

Byoc killed it for me

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Lejionator - Reply to #575

Nice one, dude! Someone must to put Q2 duels in youtube too!

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Gravgon - Reply to #729

You can find many big matches on youtube.

Here's a video of an EDL match between David and Damiah. A much better showcase for David's skills than the QuakeCon finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tazFIMEIynw

I wish there were more TDM matches though because I think TDM is really where Q2 distinguishes itself from the other Quake episodes. Nothing can come close to a 4v4 on Q2DM1 :)

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<< Comment #807 @ 17:20 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #775

Who will be the admin of this page? I can suggest great games of TDM, CTF and duels for him to convert and videos, sending demos to him. I thinks this channel amazing, and I released it in the facebook group about Q2 from my country. =)

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #775

Absolutely -- q2 is the ONLY quake where ammo&weap distribution among teammates can make or break a match. Drop a rg to your mid on dm1. Boom. Run some rockets up to your lift camper. Boom.
And dm5 RA room guard with all the lift tactics and water rushes, risking wheel crush getting quad :) Tokay tower momentum switches with BFG attacks on the lift dolly>rg/RA perch. List goes on and on...
[++++] props to you for your diligent years at q2scene.net, countless hours recording results, managing conflict, editing, putting up with Myr lol etc.

Edited by evilbollweevil at 15:45 CDT, 29 August 2017

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Venim - Reply to #575

wtf is the vod already not working?

Sorry. Unless you’ve got a time machine, that content is unavailable. The community has closed this channel due to terms of service violations.

Anyone got a youtube link or something?

*edit* worked after trying like 10 times

Edited by Venim at 22:03 CDT, 30 August 2017

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f-shawn

Well done to clawz, his aim and combat skill was insane. It was sad to see the older players like Rapha and Cooller go out like that but I think a new blood winning in such a fashion is good for the game overall as it shakes things up.

I think the thing that led the most to his style winning out is the stack differences in champs. The old guard is too used to using control to slowly tighten the noose around the enemy and build up an advantage that you eventually turn into a kill. Clawz didn't do any of that and saw that you just need an explosive burst of damage to charge through any stack they have built up and with most champs being low hp/armor it worked out well.

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leopold ' - Reply to #588

He didn't get fooled by the emperors new clothes. Since the patch from 4-5 weeks ago this is CPMA/VQ3 xerp with almost infinite LG ammo and even more worthless armors.

Edited by leopold at 05:23 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Ian215 - Reply to #588

clawz is young, but he played ql for years, at least 3-4.
For sure his style is different to control map/+back seen in years, but not totally new

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nsx0r

anyone using the term "new blood" will be banned

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*creep - Reply to #589

NEW BLOOD
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xemorx - Reply to #589

N E U E S B L U T
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SwarmDMX - Reply to #589

S A N G - N E U F
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evilbollweevil - Reply to #589

"nu-bluhd" for the "new blood" poseurs

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iavoal - Reply to #589

NOVAYA KROV
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T1E ' - Reply to #589

N E W B L Y A D

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<< Comment #687 @ 13:25 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #589

bew nlood

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hellsy - Reply to #687

Error: You have already judged this post

<< Comment #607 @ 05:41 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Zalman

Congratulations to Clawz. Glad to see new blood like him winning the tournament. Hope to see him in more future quake tournaments.

I can't stand Makaveli.

Edited by Zalman at 05:44 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Devianthe - Reply to #607

*inhales* MAN I'M SO PUMPED TO SEE THOSE MATCHES.

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xemorx

nerds!

<< Comment #629 @ 08:29 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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hydra

I had never expected to witness this level of aim, ever. I hadn't seen Clawz play before and was watching the final literally with my jaw dropped.

Congratulations to Clawz and let's not forget the combination of not being comfortable speaking English + not being used to be on stage + not the most extrovert personality can lead to people spitting out sentences that are not always a good representation of their real thoughts. And looking at the circumstances (the unexpected spotlight and success) he was probably not behaving as his usual self. I know I wouldn't.

Also really impressed by Raisy's play.

Also: Good to see some new blood.

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<< Comment #634 @ 08:58 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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DizzyMage - Reply to #629

My opinion exactly. It was great seeing a new player do and upset like this. We've had Cypher or Rapha back and forth since 2008. Seeing someone I've never ever heard of until now winning the whole tournament was exciting. Hope this isn't the last we see of Claw. Amazing aim. Was so fun to watch. Hopefully he is part of a new class (which we definitely need at this point, in my view) that sticks around for years to come.

Edited by DizzyMage at 09:03 CDT, 27 August 2017

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #629

[+] for new blood

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jamalz - Reply to #629

Raisy vs clawz final would have been appropiate. However Cooller vs Rapha final would have made me jizz

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Ian215 - Reply to #643

raisy vs clawz qcon 2018 grand final thunderstruck lg only

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<< Comment #646 @ 09:33 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #629

Sorry - the not speaking good English might apply to saying that beating cooller was easy, but turning away, blanking your opponent and refusing to shake their hand is just poor personality. He's 19 not a child for whom we should be making excuses. He's old enough to drive, get married, or run for political office etc. He should be expected to be able to demonstrate some basic manners even if it doesn't come from any genuine respect for others - hey even my dog can shake hands, even when there's a lot going on around him and he's been playing with his favorite toy for several hours straight.

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gbmaster ' - Reply to #629

his aim was insane in ql tbh, some of the flick rails actually looked inhuman, there was one on cure where he snapped 270degrees and hit a pixel rail and he did it twice in one game!

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baksteen

In response to the handshake incident at the Quake World Championship 2017:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq52op

Edited by baksteen at 09:26 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #647 @ 09:36 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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DizzyMage - Reply to #642

I don't get why people are ragging on clawz. GG's are enough. And let Clawz be what he is, even if some people don't approve of the way he is. I really like this guy. So many past quakecons are boring because it gives us the predictable winners. I mean no offense to all those guys that play quakeworld and quake 2, and they are the best so it's not like they deserve to lose. But it's not fun as a spectator to see the same people getting the top spots year and year and year after year. That's exactly how it's was in quakelive for years as well.

Clawz is cool and the most interesting player now. I hope people don't rag on him because they disprove the way they think he behaves :( Or worse,.they want him to act a certain way. Even if some view him as a villian, I'd rather have that then have him conform.

His freshness is exciting. And this was one of my favorite quakecons because of him. He stole the show.

Edited by DizzyMage at 11:49 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #653 @ 10:22 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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sya_ - Reply to #642

I was pretty sure the response was going to be "I don't know man", but I was pleasantly surprised. well done clawz, congrats and enjoy the cash :)

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<< Comment #650 @ 09:52 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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cha0z_

Great tournament, I really enjoyed it! Quake champions for sure has a good base, hope id continue to develop it and put money into events! It's different, but it's quake by feel!

Sacrifice is not that bad imho. When/if id add more casters/spectating features + casters got more exp, it will be great! Some intense moments and I enjoyed it.

Clawz... I think the kid totally lost it and that's why he didn't handshake + poor english in the interview. 175k$ in his country? When converted in local curency, he is literally rich.

As for his aim, he was really good @ ql because of it. As QC is more aim heavy - he got the chance to shine there. Maybe tox, strenx would had been harder opponets for him.

As for the duel format. I think the major items should give more hp/armor and tick down slower. As of now they are not impactful enough to make the players fight for them.

All and all, great event, great start of the new quake and hope to see more action soon!

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daka '

i'm just glad neither rapha nor cypher won :)

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xemorx - Reply to #655

Although, you must admit that it would be utterly hilarious if cypher managed to win without even visiting the event! :D

Edited by xemorx at 13:33 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #658 @ 10:40 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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slux

Isn't Liquid OW dead now though?

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slux

SC2 as an esport sadly looks like it may be on it's last leg though. There will be one more year at least since Blizzard has promised it but I don't know what then.

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MailmanMel - Reply to #660

No it is not on its last leg, it will go on until WC4 or SC3 or if something big comes along. There are hundreds of thousands playing SC2 so the game is not dying.
People need to stop fixating on Twitch viewer numbers. They mean nothing ... yes sponsors might glance at them, but they are not central to all operations.

If Blizzard does pull back the sc2 e-sports scene could get a new life as Blizzard, while somewhat boosting and stabilizing the scene, systematically drove away other organizers.

Also the lack of n+1 million yearly tournaments does not mean that a game has no e-sports scene.

Edited by MailmanMel at 11:17 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #670

1 million for a whole year is alreay enough I think to make a proper scene live. It's one 250k $ every three months, that's pretty good. If only Quake could have that, man what a change already. Even half of it would be killer.

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iavoal

The dust fell down and here's my 2 cents.

Everybody here are speaking about all aim and so on that let the clawz get the crown this year.

Thats not the right angle.

The outcome of the qcon is as it is because the old-school, such as rapha and cooller just didnt read the game right. They overthought it.

Cooller rhymed many times that "you SHOULD play like rat, because the qc plays like that" and stuff. He chose the wrong direction. As everybody else from the old guardia did.

This camping, over-cautious style (anton spent half the qcon sitting near the tele in dm6 or in the ruins basement) of play is a predictable outcome after the change from ql to qc, where the value of each life become much, dramatically bigger.

It is very logical, indeed, but it is not right.

Clawz red the game simply better (maybe even subconsciously). It really favors combat oriented attacking gameplay now. Fuck the items, smash em all. How we say in chess "You cannot spoil a good attack with blunder".

Everybody played the good-old defensive quake, when the new one is the complete opposite.

Edited by iavoal at 12:25 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #675

Also, DaHanG played very agressive against Sorlags and it went pretty well for him (he had very good rockets also, that helps).

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #675

I think you are right. There were many players at this QC whose aim is on par with clawz'. What set him apart was his smart super aggressive playstyle. The currently overpowered lg allowed him, in part, to play like that.

But apart from all this, look at which players he actually beat in his games - the only top players he beat were actually voo and cooller.. He might just turn out to be a one hit wonder, especially if they nerf lg.

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xemorx - Reply to #688

Already for an hour can't get further through the sentence "There were many players at this QC whose aim is on par with clawz"...

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<< Comment #702 @ 14:54 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #701

Whats so hard about that sentence?

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xemorx - Reply to #702

the concept of 'many' somehow disturbs me

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Ian215 - Reply to #701

We'll see clawz raisy rivalry next months for sure + 4/5 old aimers if they can/want to return to decent shape (sincerelly i dont see some of them like evil or strenx so focused on)

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xemorx - Reply to #756

It would definitely be very interesting to directly compare clawz-v-raisy duel skills. Strenx had been practicing real hard before the QCon and believed he could place among the top winners, mostly I suppose due to his orb fragging mastership. I don't see him as capable of noticeably more than that. Evil... seems to be absolutely incompatible with the QC gameplay logic, he can't abuse his specific aim skill here because of many factors. Toxjq I guess may appear to be valid, was just very unlucky to have cooller in the first playoffs round.

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Ian215 - Reply to #762

Lg skill is pretty similar, but clawz has better rg.
Strenx/evil dunno, expecially evil should outdmg almost all of player with qc lg.
Stermy was off, he isnt top5 material for now, i saw on his stream good rg but too passive in duel.
killsen good lg but not the best, rg is always volatile weapon.
Tox messed up his aim changing his old ql setting and mouse in the last weeks

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Heartlesss - Reply to #688

weapon balance is fine

lg isn't overpowered

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arm-a-gedd0n - Reply to #703

as if you would say anything different, lg being your fav gun

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<< Comment #705 @ 15:02 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #704

no, it's not cause it's my favorite gun

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #705

Its because you dont know shit about duel, maybe. *cough* losing to 1300 elo players *cough*

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Carpio - Reply to #675

Well Cooller went pretty far with that style only loosing against clawz beating rapha tox noctis dahang but yeah claws had the best strat + sick aim ofc.

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Lejionator - Reply to #675

This old-school style to which you refer was very helpful for strategic issues in the QL era. But I see that today's QC is like in the Q3 era. The weapons are very OP, I remember a interview with Cypher in which he said he played more aggressively in Q3 and because it did not give so much importance to timing the items because the weapons were more OP. In QL he was forced to play more cautiously, and this is what happened with the veterans like rapha and Cooler this time around. And in fact only combat skills are not as important in QC, one must have wisdom in using the special skills of the champions, plus the wisdom of choosing the right champion according to the maps. This explains how combat masters like Av3k and Cooller lose to Vo0 and Clawz, respectively. It is inexplicable to see Av3k be defeated to Vo0, which does not have half of its combat abilities.

But let's take into account their age, and what tournaments in lan with QuakeCon are true marathons and tiring. Clawz had the advantage of the energy of joviality, coupled with his HUGE LUCK against Cooller.

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iavoal

BTW, guys, the qcon really wasn't a complete disaster - they have sold many copies.

QC is at the 4th place in the steam's trends now with solid numbers for such a few days and this is only early access now, not properly marketed at all.

Edited by iavoal at 12:39 CDT, 27 August 2017

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #681

Link?

I see RAGE trending 3rd place now with 1000 concurrent players :confused:

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iavoal - Reply to #685

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rcln8fnxk6sbor2/&am...9.png?dl=0

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xemorx - Reply to #690

what does this even mean? :)

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iavoal - Reply to #694

Thats from steamspy, mate.

http://steamspy.com/

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<< Comment #692 @ 13:38 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Marcek

good job clawz! fun matches!

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son!

good matches throughout but that final was soo one-sided. clawz was in full on autopilot mode w/ no hesitations. voo looked lacking on the +back play (poor lg and rox) and too eager to full commit; honestly just played like he was shook which is not a voo i like seeing :(

don't dislike the new duel mode in a tournament setting as much as I expected as there were a lot of tense and exciting deciding rounds. but the flipside is that the results do look coin-flippy at this high level of play esp considering the spawns on some maps.

<< Comment #698 @ 13:53 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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tvorimir

Can't wait for Dreamhack Denver and Dreamhack Winter!

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<< Comment #699 @ 14:07 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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xemorx - Reply to #698

Get ready for cypher in full power! As for clawz, he is now a new belarus oligarch and might decide to retire from gaming :D

<< Comment #707 @ 15:43 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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InDepther

hole of fame thread, just for the laughs

Edited by InDepther at 16:43 CDT, 27 August 2017

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c1

does anyone have vods from clawz in ql? I wanna see how he outaimed everyone in ql

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bogOtac - Reply to #710

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEUZjoLrzEo

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<< Comment #715 @ 18:20 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #712

This is seriously brutal as fuck... jeez

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c1 - Reply to #715

ehh no 37%lg is just average but 63% rail is good but still nothing special and this guy just won qcon by all aim..... loool

this video shows what he looks like vs aim players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB2k6liWxVI

Edited by c1 at 18:56 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Infuscomus - Reply to #722

I think you are way too harsh on him, the video against agent is quite impressive, the non stop damage, air rockets, rocket-rail spawn rape, tons and tons of rails landed shot after shot, and 37% lg is pretty good imo (toxjq has 36% in your vid in the end, but Clawz's rails clearly sucked in comparison this time).

Not saying he's the best aimer, but that one clip is a joy to watch.

Edited by Infuscomus at 19:15 CDT, 27 August 2017

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muxen - Reply to #723

well i watched both games, not entirely, but, tox spammed alot, clawz not so much.
simply to answer the question of percentages, we can not rely on those.
but yes, he has a good aim.

i don't want to be rude, but for me, we will easly forget clawz on the next event, top 8 for sure, but not on top 3...i don't know, i have this feeling..

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Infuscomus - Reply to #758

It's not rude actually. Top 8 is already good, it is going to be interesting to see how he performs now after he won this tournament ^^. He has made a strong push at QuakeCon, now everyone will watch if he can stand the distance in the top 4 or something.

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ntE - Reply to #722

that was 2014. He basically just started duel...

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bogOtac - Reply to #722

that's like posting toxjq vs dahang quakecon game and saying that tox aim is shit because he hit 10% rail in that game...

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Lejionator - Reply to #712

total rape

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Anonymous (5.228.126.128) - Reply to #710

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFZJLs8NMU

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cha0z_ - Reply to #710

He hit really good in ql too.

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c1 - Reply to #720

show me where plz

Edited by c1 at 18:55 CDT, 27 August 2017

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Lejionator - Reply to #721

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8YSipeBg2k

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<< Comment #743 @ 01:44 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #721

Just type clawz in youtube. You will find quite a lot of videos. He hits good all the time + not only lg, but rail too and generally smart playing for a heavy aim player.

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<< Comment #719 @ 18:26 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Emenike

From Nikita "Clawz" Marchinsky:
"Winning the Duel Tournament was an exceptional, emotional experience for me, and in the excitement, seeing my team mates running up to me, I completely got swept up in the moment. The right thing to do would of course have been to shake hands with Vo0 immediately after the win, and upon realizing my mistake I went to Vo0 directly after to thank him for a good game and apologize for my laps in sportsmanship.

I have the utmost respect for Vo0 and what he has accomplished throughout his gaming career, and I am honored to have been in the Grand Finals vs a player of his caliber.

I'm sorry if anyone, especially Vo0, was offended by it, I was just too happy in the heat moment to realize what was going on at all."

https://twitter.com/team2z/status/901808310931869696

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mala - Reply to #719

posted....see a little up :)

"By Netherlands baksteen
In response to the handshake incident at the Quake World Championship 2017:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq52op"

Edited by mala at 20:01 CDT, 27 August 2017

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dem0n

I kinda envy clawz. When I was his age, it was 2007, I'd had played quake for ages already but there was nothing to motivate me to play anything competitively outside clanbase nationscups xD.

That beeing said, he's truly a great player if only because of his composure. To be able to remain calm and play so bold is something not everyone can do. I do believe though that his style is suited for QC more than QL. In QL, he was good but never a serious contender because his already insane execution skills were easily countered with a minimum of slow and strategic play.

While I think the storyline of having clawz, a young lad, winning over old pros, thus announcing to the world you younguns can take a part of that pie Quake offers, is a good storyline, I still think this also shows that QC has gone less toward methodical thinking, strategic plays to a more in-yo-face all out aim battles.

If this was a QL duel competition would anyone still bet on clawz ? If, now, I told you who do you think would win again if they replayed the whole QC duel competition ? You'd value clawz's chances on the up again.

This game is tailored for players like clawz. And in a sense, it's refreshing, but I sure as hell gonna miss playing good ol' classic q3/cpma/ql duels in the future ahead of us (however short it may look for such an alr old fart like me)

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Mctox - Reply to #726

I kind of agree, but somehow I think this new "freshness" and style to QC could be what Quake needs to get reborn and build a new/larger community.

Watching the VoD's certainly took me back to this feeling of discovering Quake for myself. I like the changes they have made, not necessarily for the player but for the viewers ... Different playstyles can now match up against each other and it's interesting to see how players react to each other.

If I could find enough time I will be looking into setting up a few cups/tournaments though I will have to find a new organisation for that (CB = dead as probably everybody knows by now xD)

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Infuscomus - Reply to #726

The game is new, champions are going to change, to be added, people are going to find new angles, new counters, I think we cannot really know if the strategical play will always be inferior to the all aim play.

Cooller did very good this QuakeCon, he played his usual stealth and mind game and finished third. he could have made it to the finals if things had gone a bit in his favor in the third map against Clawz (Ruins of Sarnath). So, I am not sure at all that Clawz has the perfect style for Quake Champions. He won this time, he played well, but other players will won other tournaments.

Also, remember Cypher said about evil that he made Quake Live boring because he killed all strategy will his insane LG and he felt disgusted by his style.

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<< Comment #749 @ 04:06 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #726

imho cooller was best player in duels, he just didn't adjust in that series. give them 5 bo3 and I am sure cooller will come on top. It's the first and last top1 for clawz in big lans. mark my words.
ofcours he will be top8-top4 player often.

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InDepther - Reply to #749

very true

if clawz was deserving of something, that was the win over voO. No offense to voO, but he was more scared of clawz than he should had been. On the other hand, vs cooller could had gone either way and cooller was unlucky in last map.

I am not saying that clawz isn't really good, but he isn't the best imo. I had predicted him to reach top 4. I was one over very few here (if not the only one), who included clawz in his top 4. But I don't believe his is the best overall. The game is much more random than ql and the top is open to many more players, if they keep their calm, be on a good day and have a bit of luck. It is the way the game is right now. QC is nothing like ql, where the best player at the time was more probable to be the winner.

Edited by InDepther at 09:33 CDT, 28 August 2017

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DizzyMage - Reply to #726

I want new days. We've been playing those game for too long. I think "freshness" is needed. I'm more excited about Quake now than I have in several years.

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Anonymous (217.209.169.137) - Reply to #726

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<< Comment #727 @ 21:43 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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arm-a-gedd0n

Post Sacrifice Grand Final interview with team 2z, they also share their thoughts about sacrifice at 6:00
https://www.facebook.com/Quake/videos/1265997753526708/

Edited by arm-a-gedd0n at 21:49 CDT, 27 August 2017

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<< Comment #732 @ 23:19 CDT, 27 August 2017 >>

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Lejionator

Clawz said he did not even train to play in this quakecon.

The fact that Clawz has said he did not train duels, only Sacrifice, shows that playing teamplay REQUIRES MORE SKILL than in duels in QC, and this is a FACT (teamplay in FPS games is so very hard to master).
By the way, in ANY Quake, playing teamplay is always hard, I remember the phrase of the greatest QW duelist in history, Milton, last year he always was a teamplay player than duelist. Now about him saying "this random shit" ... he's also right! To begin with:

1- QC weapons are the most OP of the series, and this gives more scope for novices to kill a veteran with few shots (or lucky shots), outside that has champ that can hardly handle 1 shot of rail with zoom.

2 - The respawn system of the game is still a JOKE (see for example the match between Clawz vs Cooller, where the Russian had the most unlucky respawns of the tournament. When he fragged Clawz and was low hp, the boy respawned almost on his side and finished him many times, whereas when Clawz killed Cooller, this one was respawned so fuking away him that it gives clawz time enough to replace his stack) That is, a shit as random as in the Q2 an Q3 days.

3- The fact of the natural stack DIVERSITY of the champs, and that's an OBVIOUS thing. Playing against a Sorlag and you with an Anarki, is the same as you have taken less items (or almost like being "out of control") if here was QL. Mix all these "ingredients" and we will have a a real RANDOM SHIT in duels of QC .

Clawz is a talented kid and deserved to win, but he was more opportunistic than really the best duelist in the tournament, who all know tha was Cooller.

Edited by Lejionator at 16:57 CDT, 28 August 2017

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Nukm - Reply to #732

[...] and this is a FACT

nice bait

<< Comment #736 @ 00:07 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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ia

In qc right now LG is probably the most fun weapon to use. RL doesn't feel random, but the graphic is so hard to follow the fights don't really feel solid or have any kind of flow. It's also not really useful for playing defensively, it's too weak right now.

Basically the balance changes I think qc should have are:
RL a bit stronger or faster, better graphic
LG unchanged
Let lighter players pick up more than 125h or armor, so there's actually some point in getting control.
The champions nobody's picking need some sort of changes to make them more fun/viable. Maybe some armor should protect 1:2 instead of 1:3? Faster skill reloads?
The ground acceleration for some of the champions, like visor, feels slow and mushy compared to ql movement.
Clutch needs a smaller hitbox, or something ;)
Ranger needs Quakeworld movement ;)

Edited by ia at 00:09 CDT, 28 August 2017

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<< Comment #752 @ 04:19 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (94.141.177.102) - Reply to #736

Totally agree with every point

about stack - the lighter chars have to be able to stack up to 200/200, while in good control and eating all megas/reds.
otherwise all control is clearly negligible and not, actually, a decisive part of the game, as we could see multiple times already, including qcon

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ia - Reply to #752

The lighter character's aren't allowed to get more hp/armor to keep their movement from being overpowering.

However, I think this is the wrong way to go about things because then there's never really a point where the light characters can't pick up 2x25 and a 15 second armor and be back to full.

I think it'd be better to balance the medium/heavy characters so that they can compete with a 200/200 Anarki or Nyx, that way nobody's nerfed and the full range of styles and abilities would be on display. Sorlag and Slash can probably do this already. Most of the other characters... not so much.

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linoleuM - Reply to #752

How would that make them light characters if they could stack up to 200/200? Why would anyone choose heavier characters?

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<< Comment #820 @ 00:25 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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ia - Reply to #766

Well, the heavy characters would need some benefit to make them worthwhile, like better specials. The light ones just don't really need stuff on the map at all now, as it doesn't help them much. Probably the happy medium is to make the heavy characters more able to compete and let the light ones stack to 150/150 or something.

Another alternative is the armor systems in duel and tdm could be different. TDM is a bit like clan arena with pretty light armors now and seems to actually be fun for pub players, but it might just be because there's a lot of new people playing each other.

Edited by ia at 00:41 CDT, 29 August 2017

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Anonymous (94.141.177.102) - Reply to #820

why 150/150? Let them all stack up to 200/200, with little greenies able to overstack just as red, but timed the same 30 secs. That would bring some sense into controlling items, while for now the mindgame of control really makes no sense at all - you just have to push and aim,
push and aim,
fuck the items,
push and aim.

The difference for fatties though should come from initial spawn health/armor, reduced movement speed and reduced rocketjump self-damage, which would make it impossible to spawnfrag a strong char, and makes them to rely heavily on rocket boosts throughout the map, changing the pace of the game completely - they will HAVE to walk on explosives to be able to chase lightweights. THAT's some spectacular action right there. And a very distinctive physics for every char.

And yes - Ranger just HAS to have qw movement.

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Crotazzo - Reply to #823

yes, something like this... right now control doesnt make sense. Not to mention that sometimes the tanky chars (sorlag mostly) can push or take a risky frag without consequences, not even loosing control. He can stack back up to the double of health of his oponent just by picking 25s and lights, as they are always up.... to increase the spawn time of 25s and lights is a must, c'mon...

Edited by Crotazzo at 07:56 CDT, 29 August 2017

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Lejionator - Reply to #823

NO - Ranger just don't need to have qw movement. Ranger is reference to the classic Q1 (netquake), not the qw mod.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #859

WTF is this post?
Classic Q1 has air control.

<< Comment #827 @ 04:32 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #766

maybe the speed gap of light characters must differ A LITTLE depending of their stack.

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<< Comment #852 @ 20:35 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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ia - Reply to #827

That's a cool idea.

<< Comment #801 @ 16:39 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #736

I think the netcode also makes everything feel sluggish/clunky in general. When that gets better probably some of these problems will go away on their own. Almost feels like very early q3 before osp mod or quakelive in its very early days before arq0n fixed it. This results in this lack of flow feeling that pervades qc combat.

These 2 should be top priorities before making any gameplay balance changes:

1. proper netcode like arq0n made for quakelive

2. proper directional sound system with weapon sounds that feel solid instead of the stupid muffled noise we have now

Basically we need some of the cpma coders to to fix this mess.

<< Comment #803 @ 17:00 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #736

No, Ranger does not need QW movement. WTF are you saying??

<< Comment #819 @ 00:19 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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ia - Reply to #803

I think ranger having classic qw movement would be enormous fun ;)

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<< Comment #754 @ 05:50 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (128.72.110.18)

They'll 100% nerf LG to 6 dmg (like in Qlive) soon. And after that - this boy Clawz is gonna be rekt by COOLLER for sure.

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CaptainTaichou - Reply to #754

Or y'know, they could make items worth something.

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<< Comment #828 @ 04:56 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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fnx-za - Reply to #754

I don't think nerfing LG will be the solution, LG needs to be powerful so you can take down tanks, it's hard enough taking down a sorlag right now with LG the way it is.

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<< Comment #774 @ 10:25 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Zalman

I really hope the game stays the way it is. I don't want this game to become more like quake3/quakelive. We are got a similar game to Quake 3 with Quake 4.

Quake Champions brings much needed freshness to Quake.

<< Comment #780 @ 11:16 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Devianthe - Reply to #774

Yeah, Quake has never had such a clunky movement yet.

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<< Comment #840 @ 14:41 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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c1 - Reply to #774

when you look for "freshness" then why dont play a different game?
eg Overwatch already has the "freshness" you are looking for.

btw its not as "fresh" as you may think when there is still campgrounds or ztn and other old maps incoming

<< Comment #761 @ 06:46 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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ThrashRez

Best Quakecon of all time. Quake Champions is exactly the type of new Quake we need. Hope to see new blood well into the future. Old players will be forced to adapt to certain things now, which is really needed. Congratz Clawz.

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<< Comment #773 @ 10:25 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Marcek - Reply to #761

This was my favorite quake-con tournament too!

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c1 - Reply to #773

registration date 2016 and 2017....
this explains everything!

<< Comment #767 @ 09:18 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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p4r4

This is not ESR
Because no one has yet said:
OMG!!! I'M SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHERE!!!
Please someone send me a key to real ESR in pm.

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<< Comment #769 @ 09:37 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #767

man, we didn't spray

yes it was somewhat fun and all, but not spray worthy

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tony - Reply to #769

Ppl spayed when i won an ffa map without any price :)

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<< Comment #776 @ 10:59 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #767

no good geme no sprayeyeye

<< Comment #787 @ 13:50 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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anal justice

Just watched the final. We're not up there yet but this was 1000 times better than a rapha/if-22/evil +back fests we've come to expect over the last 7-8 years or so.

It's crazy most people in top 10 are over 30 :D

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<< Comment #802 @ 16:49 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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tony - Reply to #792

Hes a loser

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<< Comment #790 @ 14:04 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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g0uken

Gg I guess, but man I miss frags in quick succession. Curse this gay ass 3 frag limit garbage. Let rounds be based on time limit and stop forcing champions upon players. Let them pick a roster they can chose from after death.

And please, get rid of super defensive abilities like ghost walk. So fucking boring to watch and to play against.

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<< Comment #799 @ 16:33 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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_agu

up to 800 posts, lawl :)

<< Comment #806 @ 17:13 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Lejionator

Configs + Demos, plz!!

<< Comment #809 @ 18:50 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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c1 - Reply to #806

ye man where are the cfg's and demos? ;D

<< Comment #821 @ 01:24 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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Anonymous (37.1.207.70)

WOW,

Is this the same Jamerio pushing 2GD at FFA to the limit a few weeks before 2GD placed 3rd at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/quake/Quake_World_Championship/2017/Sacrifice and his team won 55k at quakecon 2017?

WTF Jamerio, you should be going to like MIT or something.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/162582986?t=03h33m45s

Did he hack cos of the stats at the end?

<< Comment #854 @ 07:57 CDT, 30 August 2017 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #821

Hey Jameiro,
I realize you are having your first gamer midlife crisis these days, and you try to feed your damaged ego by making yourself think that you are actually good at Quake.
But guess what, people only play FFA to fuck around and warmup their aim, whereas you actually play FFA day in, day out, every day, unlike anybody in QC, and you are still not even good at it. Try playing a duel for a change and let your ego have a healthy setback, thats what I recommend!

PS: I love how you keep referring to yourself as JamJam nowadays. Did you forget that Teenqueen (PBUH) used that in a mocking manner when everybody was still giving you attention? I dont want you to stop posting comments that nobody ever reads, but... cmon man, have some dignity :D

<< Comment #855 @ 10:04 CDT, 30 August 2017 >>

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melechesh ' - Reply to #854

u just got jambaited

<< Comment #856 @ 11:14 CDT, 30 August 2017 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #855

I wonder if you actually believe that, or you just trying to be one step ahead as a compensation for the tdmpickups where ur always one step behind.

<< Comment #814 @ 20:51 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Jamerio :

New hotfix for the early access version.
Hope it fixes my warping and they've just not owned up to it, but fixed it.

*****UPDATE*****
The weird lags I was having HAVE<< been fixed with this so that's good.

Edited by Jamerio at 21:03 CDT, 28 August 2017

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<< Comment #817 @ 23:12 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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grimpants - Reply to #814

ditto, the lag spikes are gone. feels really nice now.

<< Comment #818 @ 23:33 CDT, 28 August 2017 >>

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Tectonic

I missed the live action while I was out of town. Watched the grand finals VOD and DaHang vs Cooller, but I'm not really even motivated to go back and watch some rapha games or anyone else I might consider myself a fan of.

The duel format is just kinda boring. The pace is somewhere between OSP and Promode, closer to OSP. But if you go down early (which means giving up **ONE FUCKING FRAG**), you only have a couple minutes to even the score for the round. So you have to push when you have very little chance to get a kill, so you get fragged again with a minute remaining, and then there's no chance at all because your opponent can just run away, or worse, ghostwalk away. Zzzzz.

There's no OSP-style 3-minute turtle/strategize a turnover, then flip control (which actually meant something) and steadily bring the score back even over next 3 minutes. There's no Promode style 60-second run away/gather out-of-control items, catch the opponent by surprise, and then go on an offensive tear for the next 2 minutes, attacking even when the red's already spawned because you can pin the enemy down away from it.

Not enough frags, not enough impressive, fast-paced skill on display. The novelty of "creative strategies" like an offensive ghostwalk has already worn off. It's now about as boring to watch a dire orb teleport in the middle of a fight as it was in those champion preview videos id put out.

Are we going to see some sweet fan frag videos from this event? I doubt it. (And not just because there's no demos).

I really don't care to watch any more duel except to find out if someone beats clawz next time, and if he gives a handshake.

Maybe I should check out sacrifice?

<< Comment #825 @ 03:34 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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w1y - Reply to #818

I recommend watching rapha vs Raisy...

<< Comment #829 @ 06:35 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #825

good game, until raisy blacked out

who knows he could had taken the whole tourney, if he didn't. he did well anws and wish to see more and even bigger things from him. He is my favorite player from the "new blood" (I said the forbidden words).

<< Comment #831 @ 07:49 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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XPEHOPE3

Main question remains unanswered: how does wichtL look like?)

Edited by XPEHOPE3 at 07:49 CDT, 29 August 2017

<< Comment #833 @ 09:47 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>

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donka ' - Reply to #831

you are my favorite name

to english folks, this guy translates as "dick cutter"

<< Comment #835 @ 10:24 CDT, 29 August 2017 >>