zowie za12, fk2
Razer Abyssus V2
rapoo v300
logitech g100s

http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-40/

wow, didn't know about that guy's work. it's insanely good!

It seems almost all mice these days are at least 40 euros, or even 60 euros.

WTF are those price ? How are they justified ?

I still have 7-8 WMO in reserve, but I can't imagine I'd put 60-70 euros for a Zowie for instance. What the fuck is this ?

That cheap plastic is really expensive.

playing quake 8 with 400dpi sensor on 1000hz 8k screen in 2040...why?

As long as they keep trying to make me pay over 50$ for a mouse made in asia...

Finger, hybrid or claw grip?

Claw grip!

This is really far out there, but there have recently been some imo1.1 clones popping up on taobao that feature a 3310 sensor and a slightly smaller shape. I know that a few users from Overclock.net have acquired them, however I haven't heard anything beyond that. I just have no idea if they're any good.

https://world.taobao.com/item/555926687377.htm#detail

Just if you're interested.

Wierd. When out thiugh a translation website they make their website invalid. Maybe not ship to USa?

Taobao is a pretty weird site. I've heard stuff of people having to go through agents in order to buy stuff off of Taobao, I usually think Taobao agents charge up to 10-20%.

http://www.howtotao.com/buy-from-taobao/

Apparently you can order stuff without an agent though. You might just have to translate the stuff without actually running it through a website (so copy + paste text into a different tab).

IMO the closest good options are Zowie ZA12/ZA13 and FK2.

Take a look at the Logitech G100S. If it interests you, I have an almost new unit that I can give to you for free. Let me know.

That's very generous of you, I think I'm going to have a look at both the FK2 and ZA12, maybe order both and send one back. Thanks for all the suggestions!

Are you low or high sense player?

if you're pretty aggressive with your mouse movements I'd probably swing away from zowie. I've had 3 different models and they've never worked for me, especially when wanting to flick/sweep rapidly. Even tested with 4+ mousepads and still managed to get them to malfunction.

g100s, g303 and g pro has been the best.

A lot of people knock logitech on their build quality which could be questionable no doubt, however I still believe their products are the best out of the lot, compared to steelseries and razer.

For palm grip try the G403 instead of the G Pro ;) , however, read your answear again and since you claw just disreagard from this comment...

I would go to a shop and feel out shapes and start with that.

In a perfect world I would do this, I live in London so it should be easy. Unfortunately I really don't know of any stores that sell/display gaming mice

Lazy bum ;) check this place out:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/gaming-bunker-156-commercial.html

Might be a shit place, no idea, but you can try out mice there.

If you were used to that mouse, try a Zowie EC2-A. It's got a right-handed shape (as opposed to the 1.1a's ambidextrous shape) but I'm fairly confident you'll like it.

Keep the IMO 1.1a if u still like it and are used to it. I'm currently using it myself on Win 10 overclocked flawlessly to 500hz. It's even simpler then overclocking on Win 7 since u don't need Test Mode anymore.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1597441/digitally-...use-driver

You just made me want to upgrade to Win10 :p

Logitec G302

Its basically same size as 1.1a, it is a little narrow in the front but you quickly adjust its no deal breaker.

Dpi steps 400,800,1600,3200,4000 or anything in between is possible with toggle button. No prediction just like 1,1a. Its also quite cheap i paid $35AU. 500-1000hz i think it defaults on 1000.

I think of it as a deathadders little brother.