Thanks!

Nice kid. (Young man, but kid to me LOL) Had the pleasure of speaking with Nikita and his uncle at great length. Really nice to see a fresh face on the scene kicking ass.

Looking forward to covering his matches again!

Wp clawz and respect to him, but honestly, is this what duel has become? A guy who hasn't even practiced for 30 hours can win a tournament, beating players who have put in hundreds of hours since the start (which I'm pretty sure Cooller has), just by +forward and hitting hard?

Not saying Clawz isn't a smart player, he's definitely strong minded but when you played only 30 hours of duels and consistently hit harder than your opponents and win all matches, then the game is pretty lame imo.

Let me remind you that this same kid could win the best players in Quakelive, not by playing smarter, but aiming better. He is top 3 best aimer in the world easy.

Who is the other 2 in your opinion?

Slasher and Tim Willits obviously!

I actually dont know. Since i didnt watch top players play, or play vs them.

Normally tox, strenx, stermy(rail) always was good with hitscan.

Right now in QC I feel some players has 1 really top weapon, like raisy has his shaft or stermy has his rail.

I can give you an answer closer to Dreamhack when I pracced with top players and saw some games :)

Thx!

Whoah Spart1e!

That's something, considering when your hot nothing can catch you either lol.

If you don't mind, what would be your top 5 aimers?

it would be a shame if quake isn't about playing smarter anymore though...

All respect to good aimers but quake used to be only partially about aim. I believe that there was a reason Strenx never won a major duel tournament.

He didn't just outaim them, he played an aggressive style that they didn't anticipate as most duelers play it slow and safe. He was just in their face sacrifice style and they couldn't deal with it nor had they prepared for that.

Well that's another argument and atm I'm not quite sure how to rate that ;)
I think that several players did expect an aim heavy +forward style...
Cooller pretty much bet on his opponents being overly aggressive imho.

Cooller did really well in the tournament and gave clawz a lot harder games than vo0. Vo0 did also play good tho, but not prepared for clawz +f uber aim.

Do you ever rate anything? It surely doesn't seem so :p

Or the fact everyone's over 25 now so our reaction times aren't as they used to so even if someone can aim better he can hit the first shot faster.

EDIT: To be clear what I mean, if someone has the same aim as clawz it's probably a top 3 dueller but clawz will have the edge in initial damage just because he's younger.

As an ancient player myself I don't think that age matters at all in regards to reflexes.
The only thing I notice is that more time and effort gets consumed by other aspects of life which makes it harder to actually play relaxed and focused during the few times you can play.
Whenever I have a few free days (and play around a bit) my aim increases like mad and my reflexes seem to magically reappear.

Reflexes seem much more tied to how well rested you are rather than how old you might be. The idea that reflexes drop in speed is kinda ridiculous and has no base in biology what so ever.

I agree that being more relaxed will maximise your focus and reflexes. However our reaction times do slow down with age. You know I used to get mad at some players in QL because I thought they were hacking, same in CS:GO. Then I realised what was actually happening, the players that kept on hitting rails immediately on me as I enter rooms were way younger than me. You can still have fantastic aim but shit reaction time. It also explains why I can beat Python or Fraze in initial rail fights (like 1v1 rail fights) but not someone like steej or intro who are younger. These younger cunts have much better peak rail game. They tead to have better LG readjustments midfight too.

Now CS:GO favours reaction over aim (espeially with random spread) so as long as some kid is aiming at your general direction they can react faster and feel like you were hacked.

Having said this my reaction time still better than most people thanks to playing fps games but you can feel the difference when playing younger peeps.

TLDR: Reaction time and aim are 2 different things that you can be good at.

It varies from person to person I guess, my reaction time now is as good as it's ever been though. I just lack the time to compete ;(

Surely you would agree a 60 year old would have slower reactions than a 20 year old? If so at what point did that happen? Doesn't that in itself show we lose our reactions with age?

As a counter point to myself, I also agree one can train your reaction time at any age. However your maximum potential will be slower than in your prime.

Edit: Are you sure arn't confusing hitting your shots with reaction time because you can adjust to your reactions by placing your crosshair further from edges and corners to compensate to hit the shot. If not maybe your reactions are better because of a different lifestyle nowadays. My point is that your max potential reactions slows with age.

I mainly think that reactions just get slower the less you are used to reacting to something on time.
In general the older you get the less is expected of you in terms of reflexes, so the less you are exposed to it.
Other than the natural ability of a body to transfer impulses (which doesn't really decline with age) there is nothing to stop a 60 year old from becoming a pro gamer other than responsibilities and perhaps a lack of training. (and well there are other issues a 60 year old would have when beginning a gaming career... but reflexes doesn't need to be one of them)

Actually I agree with you, the less you do of something the less you'll be good at it, even reactions. But there's no way a 60 year old cypher could beat a 24 year old cypher strictly in terms of reaction time. (Though the older version could still win through a better use of timing, tactics etc).

meh there's a whole nurture vs nature debate there which is too complex to dive into...

Ok fair enough. I think its more in the middle anyway.

cheers, have a beer :D

thanks, enjoy your shanks! :D

Yes, I think you need to keep active with playing to some degree to maintain conditioning of your reaction times. I've known people who used to be amazing but really fell off after taking quitting and they admit it themselves. There are a lot of different factors, such as what has happened in a persons life, their diet, stress, that it definitely varies from person to person and genetics plays a role but in general your reactions aren't going to slip by much (it's measurable but negligible) going into your 30's. What does slow down more is the brains ability to process visual information. So it's not so much reaction time but moreso handling the input and thinking how best to act on it. This could be the difference in close up situations from a tactical standpoint.

you was top3 players in a world @ QL and now you are top 3 players in QC, but you lack time to compete and ofcours netcode not favours you too. true champ , best player overall for 10 years @ weird.

weird is probably the most delusional quake player of all times, together with wind but that guy has issues.

he should eat some procaz , xanax and other shit :)

Except Weird is pretty good when he's active.

atm I'm nowhere near top3 in QC, I hardly even know the maps. Dunno how I can expect myself to win anything.

In QL I just became insanely frustrated because it felt like the game didn't allow an offline playstyle online as just randomly aggression with LG always won online (seems to be the same in QC but maybe also on lan). I was only really good in QL from 2009 - 2011 though... After that I became too annoyed with the game to maintain shape.
As I could never qualify for lans (mainly because there were no qualifiers) and couldn't win 125fps/zotacs/whatever due to warping shits.

Man, how can you be so full of shit?

Every other top player can compete and have consistent results so far no matter the game, ping or whatever. Now there is you, a nobody with the very best excuses for your crushed dreams of not winning cups, because the netcode is against you!

How pathetic...

If you had a clue you'd know that I was really consistent in my results, especially in 2009 and early 2010 but esr people their memories don't go back further than a month.

Weird i got a question for you. Don't you think the playstyle you speak of has less to do with netcode (maybe netcode exaggerates it) and more to do with the evolution of aim. I have a theory that as player's aim gets better, hitscan aim becomes more preferable than rocket spamming because if you are an aim god then hitscan becomes more reliable but with rockets there is a skill cap. You can only predict so well and that's why we are seeing this shift in quake with hitscan weapons i think.

Well each player tries to optimize their own playstyle depending on game mechanics / own skills / opponent skills. So when the game exaggerates the usefulness of LG and +forward then more people will start to play like that.
At least that was my reasoning when I told ID that the game would eventually become +forward LG + lag only, it just took players several years to adapt.

Of course aim had evolved a lot since Q3 days but that's (partially) why the hitboxes were reduced in size (for example), and eventually the damage got reduced.
So you can design for a certain effectiveness of hitscan.

In the QL design +forward LG became more effective as your connection got shittier... And thus the better the connection the lesser effective it would get. I based my gameplay on how it should play on lan, not how I should play online.

p.s. I wouldn't know why there has to be a skill cap on rockets, imho if it's harder to do it just takes more skill but it remains possible ;)

I'm going on 30 now myself so what's your secret? My aim/reaction time is fucking horrible compared to 10 years ago :( Although I probably play literally 1% of the time that I did when I was 16-20..

Not really sure... I never had worlds best reflexes nor aim, they have just always been consistent.
I guess that because I still work a lot with computers the mouse just remains to feel familiar and I don't lose the feeling as a result.
After a week of not being behind the pc at all I first have to play around for a few hours to get the feeling back... Perhaps you have a similar issue?

That's interesting. My aim and reactions are on a different (much higher) level compared to 10 years ago and I'm over 30 now as well. Guess it depends on person and circumstances.

"I agree that being more relaxed will maximise your focus and reflexes. However our reaction times do slow down with age. "

Federer says otherwise, 35 and still winning.

I don't watch Tennis but I would imagine hitting the ball like hitting a shot in QL which is mainly aim not reaction time. When your reactions slow down you readjust slightly where you aim. Tennis isnt a twitch shooter like Quake so reactions wouldn't make or break a situation as much but what do I know.

With a ball that goes towards you at over 100mph you need damn good reactions.

Yeah you do but in Quake a difference of like 50 milliseconds is pretty big where as in Tennis it probably takes the ball like half a second to reach the other end of the court so 50 milliseconds isn't as big of an impact on the game.

Reflexes start getting worse after 23-24 years old. You also see that in high level athletes of other sports where quick fast reflexes are key.

But you're right, life has its stoll and stress, that kid probably doesn't have to think about his car insurance, his mortgage, the unpaid gas bill, and all the reality bollox :D

Dunno where you get the 23-24 years old from though, it seems inaccurate to me.

It's the age at which your body pretty much stops developing/growing and starts ageing as a male. Of course this is just an estimated average and depends on the person and their genes and lifestyle.

He's an article about your reflexes being at their peak at age 24 as a man before it starts declining: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/brains-re...udy-finds/

There are plenty of other articles and results of researches out there, I'll let you do your own research.

If that's true, then how come (I've even written it down) my reaction times online are actually faster now at 27 years of age than they were 5 years ago?

Did you read the part where I said: "Of course this is just an estimated average and depends on the person and their genes and lifestyle." ?

There's also how a factor of if having trained those reaction times have actually developed to counter the fact that only now they should slow down very slowly through age. It's not a massive drop as soon as you reach your mid 20's.

It's a bit if you told me that your body hasn't started aging now because you look fitter and healthier now compared to 5 years ago.

Also, let me know how your reaction times are in 10 years time compared to now ;)

Roger Federer is 36 and still able to win Grand Slams. Tennis values reaction time quite a bit, especially in volley situations and Fed looks as sharp as ever.

If you look at Federer's performance chart through the year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer#/...-Chart.png

You can see that his performances have started decreasing since reaching his 30's compared to his late 20's. Let's see how he plays in 5 years' time and it will be even more obvious on top of also his body also aging not just his brain and reflexes.

There's also the experience factor in those sports and the fact that you can train and develop reflexes specifically for a sport or activity that you train a lot.

I don't see how this shows that your reflexes don't start slowly slowing down from your late 20's on-wards. It's pretty obvious IMO.

There's a reason why sports and games where reflexes are one of the most important parts are not dominated by people in their 40's but rather by people in their 20's, with the exceptions of athletes in their early 30's who usually reach their peak around that age as that's when their body and brain haven't really aged that much yet while their wealth of experience in that sport or game counterbalances for that maybe very slight reaction time delay.

It's weird to me if you think that someone in their 30's will be faster mentally and physically than someone in their 20's. If you look at Usain Bolt, he was untouchable and clearly the #1 fastest 100 meter runner between age 22 to 30, and now he's already started declining in the last year or so in his year 30 to 31 years old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usain_Bolt

His best ever time for the 100 meters was at age 23 which is the current world record, and his time for the 100 meters has been progressively getting slower year after year since then.

"If you look at Usain Bolt, he was untouchable and clearly the #1 fastest 100 meter runner between age 22 to 30, and now he's already started declining in the last year or so in his year 30 to 31 years old"

I put that mainly down to him not being as motivated as he once was, sure he has buckets of natural talent and amazing genetics but with achieving his original goal and getting all kinds of media coverage I guarantee that he doesn't take his training as seriously as he once did.

When you're unknown and want to make it big, you have an insane hunger to get to the top, most people who get there don't stay there because they aquire so much fame and money that they don't need to train as hard. Too much comfort is a bitch for top level athletes.

Just look up how fast he runs the 100m through the years and look at what age was the peak and when it started to decline. We're talking milliseconds here but it's there to prove something.

But I guess you're too stubborn to accept that your body and brain and therefore reflexes start aging past mid 20's.

Not Stubborn at all, I just don't see any objectionable evidence to support your claims.

I believe years ago that could be true due to poor diet and lifestyle choices being the norm, but now people are waking up, we know more about nutrition and health than we've ever known in the history of our species, people are breaking records into their 40's now so that's why I don't buy it myself.

"we know more about nutrition and health than we've ever known in the history of our species"

Every single day that statement is true :)

What records are held by 40+ year olds? It's a fact that our bodies physically decline after 25. If you take care of yourself age doesn't matter that much.

spot on erok with:

"What records are held by 40+ year olds? It's a fact that our bodies physically decline after 25. If you take care of yourself age doesn't matter that much."

That's pretty much what I was going to reply, especially the part in bold.

you can take tennis doubles matches as a better example then as Paes is one of the best net players there is at 44.

"Also, let me know how your reaction times are in 10 years time compared to now ;) "

I'll do my best to make them as good as they are now!

Also if you look at chao0z_ commennt #75: "Too much factors involved. Experience, good/bad day, rest, stimulants, personal best@given age and so on."

That's exactly right.

novak djokovic and Andy Murray say hi

say "hi" back to them.

They're both only 30. Let's see how they perform in a few years.

If you look at Federer's performance who's slightly older annd was born in 1981 (now age 36): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer#/...-Chart.png

Too much factors involved to state that. Experience, good/bad day, rest, stimulants, personal best@given age and so on. You take a science fact that persons reaction time decrease (small amount tho) when aging and talk as we all have the same base/start.

You don't need science, you can just observe real life sportsman over time or just experience it for yourself. Anyway you are right, all those things contribute too.

My long lost Swedish brother!! :)

I think both of us have naturally larger livers than the average human, lol.

Is that good or bad for my aim? :P

For the aim it doesn't matter but I should move to a country that taxes alcoholic beverages less!

Only bad when we're actively using the liver.... lol

he's good at aiming at dinosaurs, dino aim is a different technique as you have to track the tail, only true aimers can do this /!\

cg_forceEnemyModel "sorlag/blue"

+ cg_forceTeamModel "sorlag/red" and it's basically Turok

I still want to see a screenshot/video of an 8v8 with 13 sorlags grouped in a pen made of that ice fart stuff from 3 of whatever character farts ice

Now that you said it, I want to see it.

Well if the Cooller maxim still stands of "choosing situations when to be aggressive," then maybe this:

QC simply has a much, much smaller subset of "situations" than QL with its longer matches, more contentious items(RA/health packs), fewer bugs, no gimmicky randomness(QC abilities) and real momentum swings where you can use the word COMEBACK in a meaningful way.
So fewer situations means less practice, and to some extent less thought, i.e., raw motor skill domination.

I think a RAISY v. Clawz final almost happened for reasons listed above; however, Clawz has long demonstrated his quake aptitude at ql tournaments and online -- he simply used one very strong component of his overall q-play to exploit the current quake.

Clawz is definitely the real deal. (just seeing Spartie's comment now while editing my own)

This is how duel always was.

I believe the game isnt even yet to everybody, i mean gameplay etc

Oh, Quake needs smart strikes again.

You realize that by now?

He is smart as he played qc the best for it's current state. Most of the pros played it as ql, Nikita saw that and even stated it in the interview (that they struggled with his aim and he +f more, as in qc major items gives lower stack advantage = more advantage for him). Raisy was playing qc as qc too and was going to get a lot further if only he had the experience/nerves not to make the noobish mistake at vs rapha match. He lacked the clawz aim tho, but still was really good playing qc the better way and not like ql. Also clawz can and had beat a lot of the pros if not all in ql too, some in online tournaments, some in the previous QC and other lans. He is all, but weak or not worthy + 30h duel, but 5h per day sacrifice + hundred of hours exp in previous quakes. Not like it's not enough. As for cooller - he played a lot closer games vs clawz than vo0, so he obviously came prepared.

ClawZor the beZt!

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Just gonna quote myself

Everybody here are speaking about all aim and so on that let the clawz get the crown this year.

Thats not the right angle.

The outcome of the qcon is as it is because the old-school, such as rapha and cooller just didnt read the game right. They overthought it.

Cooller rhymed many times that "you SHOULD play like rat, because the qc plays like that" and stuff. He chose the wrong direction. As everybody else from the old guardia did.

This camping, over-cautious style (anton spent half the qcon sitting near the tele in dm6 or in the ruins basement) of play is a predictable outcome after the change from ql to qc, where the value of each life become much, dramatically bigger.

It is very logical, indeed, but it is not right.

Clawz red the game simply better (maybe even subconsciously). It really favors combat oriented attacking gameplay now. Fuck the items, smash em all. How we say in chess "You cannot spoil a good attack with blunder".

Everybody played the good-old defensive quake, when the new one is the complete opposite.

new game, people still figuring out how to play, playstyle will evolve, i dont think clawz will keep winning playing like this; cooller is a much better player, lacks a little aim but with more practice he for sure will beat clawz, same thing rapha

I wouldnt embarass myself with such a superficial analysis, m8.

you dont need to, you already got that covered

harsh, torsten. got two +'s by the thunderstruck pros so far, lets keep them coming!

Hi, thanks for the edit and the front page!
I wasn't aware that articles are for original esr content 😅 Should I submit stuff like this as news in future?

I would have responded in the IMs but I can't send those, it's probably related to the low comment count. 😅

I wasn't aware that articles are for original esr content

well thats at least how i see the category used atm, the site guide just says "Longer features devoted to specific topic". i would suggest posting interviews (or your qcon story lines article) as news, easiest way to get attention, especially if its about current events.

I would have responded in the IMs but I can't send those, it's probably related to the low comment count.

yes (spam protection), just post some more and you will have all features available

Oki, thanks.

of course i'm not pretending i've posted some rocket science, thats just my impression on a gaming forum.

but you haven't said anything deeper in the contrary, m8.
and what is stated without evidence can be discarded without evidence.

Don't feed him, his goal is to iritate you. When you start to justify he won. He is just abusing the fact that you are trying to have a meaningful conversation.

> He chose the wrong direction. As everybody else from the old guardia did.

>Clawz red the game simply better

So cooler and the rest "picked' the wrong way (playing how they used to) and clawz picked the "right" way (playing how he used to, to his strengths as a strong aimer) and clawz is thus a master?

You are giving him too much credit.

Well, ofc, everybody plays the game that suits them, captain.

Bul Cooller really thought he has the game figured out, he decided that this is the winning tactic. He said on his stream multiple times that this is how qc should be played - hiding, +backing, sneaky attacks, traps. While its not.

In QC it was always my weakness to play overagressive and trying to win solely with fights. I could create nice situations but the stack of the other player was most of the times too high. So i lost. It was always a challenge for me to adjust my character to something more controlled and thoughtful.

yeah cooller was so bad, so he placed 3rd (maybe would be 2nd , but he lost for claw). Realy bad tactics!

Learn to read, pal, seriously. Where do i write that Anton was bad?

Cooller is a great qc player and i was rooting for him.
The point is that he focused on +back even when in control.

While the current meta (with insignificant items and rockets not being enough to stop somebody jumping at you with lg as it was in QL) favors another style.

Got to say something on the topic?

read btw lines.
you saying. cooller picked wrong tactics, he played to +back.
I am saying, coollers tactic was good, becouse he placed top2/3 out of tons of skilled players in that tournament.

Read with ur head.

I'm trying to see a bigger picture out of this tourney. i'm really interested whats the most efficient approach.

And you just sticked to the coollers 3d place over and over again (not the 2nd, as you mentioned and the difference is huge, tens of $$$). While Anton with his ambitions sure takes it as a defeat.

Clawz didn't trained at all for the duel and got 1st place - so, by your logic, don't train at all and you are gonna win qcon? dahang as well spent minimum time on duel, and he's top 4 - so, by your logic, train as little as possible and you'd be world's top? By your logic the final placement could be an excuse for everything.

Personally, i want to try to draw some conclusions out of qcon, based in a difference in tactics, because this is the element we will see in further tourneys. Your 3d place on past qcon won't win you fights, but ur approach, your strategy - will.

You are dumb

You are GUArd.

You, must be, have no head at all)

I could imagine how you speak pretty well:

My english is far from perfect. So i dont want to argue about it. lets say we have different opinions. Make love no war

Peace.

Woah, quick retreat.

He reminds me of av3k in his best days

I mean if he can change up his play so casually (just throwing out slash for anarki) and be confident in his ability up on stage against what is considered Vo0's strength, no wonder he beat Vo0 who was visibly shaky with his aim and movement. Some of those maps he was grinding in Sacrifice and it's not like he is unfamiliar with duel in any way, I'm not surprised just impressed.

Did anyone else got the impression that Cooller was already tired when playing Clawz?

"and be confident in his ability up on stage against what is considered Vo0's strength"

Even tho (the otherwise great) DDK and ZSX frequently said this, its not really true at all. Vo0s biggest strength is not really his mentality, but his well-rounded playstyle, and his fighting-skills (especially rockets).

Clueless

Are you?

I kinda wrote that shitty, I meant that his strength was anarki. Although, Vo0 had experience on big stages, Clawz didn't.

Yea thats definetly a good point, but I guess vo0 couldnt use his experience since he, like everybody else. got flustered because of clawz lg aim *cough* easy hitreg *cough*

What do you mean by "easy hitreg"?

Well the hit-registration seems changed since that infamous patch from some time ago. And afaik they didnt even change the hitboxes, but the way shots register on a player. But I'm not sure about this, I have no insight into the technical part of QC.

> Did anyone else got the impression that Cooller was already tired when playing Clawz?

He looked mentally exhausted for sure, first map he played Cooller style and won, second map was super good for clawz playstyle, third map cooller was off. This doesnt takes anything from clawz merits because stamina is a key aspect of top players.

Group stage matches + tox + noctis + clawz was a hell of a run anyway for coollah.

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Oh, that's the ear character limit for headlines. Should have let the full quote in the post

I was referring to the full title anyway.

QuakeCon champion, clawz: "Everyone can give me a hard time, it is about playing in the right way."

People keep talking like a new generation of players have taken over, but half the top 16 were over 30. It's probably the oldest lineup of finalists in a major gaming tournament in history ffs.

Clawz played great and definitely deserved to win though.

Quakecon will soon start getting sponsored by hair loss solutions, erection pills, life insurance and QVC.

Can't wait.

I feel like I might be the only one who saw this in the final matches, so I'll point it out here.

QC's sound system is pretty broken, more so than QL. When Clawz played VOo on Ruined keep, there was a point in the game where claws as sorlag hunted down VOo as (anarki?). I realized that Voo probably couldnt hear which direction claws was coming from, if at all.

There's also movement, in QC it takes some time to get up to max speed. So even with a quicker champion the fact that at any moment your opponent might come blazing around a corner at top speed and start hitting you with LG - which disrupts movement- is pretty terrifying when you're out of control. Thats when you need the defenders advantage the most.

Of course as we've seen rockets cant be trusted. Sometimes doing no damage and sometimes being just a shade off the mark they do little damage and fail to bounce the opponent in an advantageous way. In QL they were much more dependable. Top players just DID NOT MESS with other top players by chasing them in tight corridors. Not unless they heavily outstacked them. I think Claws got away with this a bit more than was safe to do back in QL and I think thats something many top players weren't factoring in to their play.

Also many of the maps are more compact meaning there are 2 maybe 3 places you can hide on the outskirts that leave you with any kind of escape at all. This means if someone has full control the number of places they need to look to find you is very manageable. In QL there were several places you could be and even if the opponent new you were there you were fairly safe.

I'm not trying to take away from Clawz here, I've always worshiped aim and tried to improve my own, but I feel like at present what we're seeing is a +Forward meta emerge that is a bit stronger than when Evil beat Rapha back in 2012-13. I think it will shift a bit when the engines hit detection gets unfucked but everyone's seen what clawz got away with and I think its gonna stick around for awhile. I dunno, Rapha often finds ways to shore things up and continue to make his style viable. I'm very interested to see how he does at the next few events. Hopefully Clawz shows up as well.

5 hours Sac practice a day- damn... we were lucky to get 5 hours a week FeelsNAman

At least you didn't have to play too much of this great mode!

*overwatch team :D

Nah, mostly lack of Na teams and not willing to play much

hidden part nobody noticed: anarki OP

before qcon: "omg QC = +back meta where everyone just waits for ability recharge"

after qcon: "omg QC = +forward meta where aim is everything"

Aim should be worth more in Quake, I think this iteration is taking the game closer to it's true roots rather than the Q3 iterations. It's a little less enjoyable to watch but I don't think lack of stack building has a great deal to do with that.

Honestly I think it would be way more enjoyable to watch if it wasn't for the 3 champions limit. Players would risk more and turtle less, and the resulting games would be truly spectacular.

Closer to the true roots?



: D

Well some people would perceive the Q3 iteration as it's roots and what Quake really should be but I'd disagree. I can see why that statement would be worth commenting on though :p

Well, Q3 iteration is best Quake, but I thought about Q1 / QW as roots and the cringe-meter just exploded after your line. : D

The optimal strategy about abilities (meta or however kids name it) has always been champion dependent.

Fight when the ability is recharged = nyx, sorlag
Don't really care about the cooldown = anarki, ranger
Would be nice if it was up = galena, partly sorlag

And going +forward depends on the situation and in your confidence. If your opponent is nyx you know a rail hits her harder than if he were sorlag, so you position yourself to hit rather than picking up items. If your opponent hits way less than you do then try to fight rather than hiding.

The basics in QC are super simple and easy to tell. I really like that in QC: now there's way less hidden aspects (that new players can't understand by themselves in-game) and way less situations (that take years to experience/learn) in the game than in previous Quakes. Now the field is more leveled.

"I want win some more"

What I saw in Clawz is self believing, no stress, played mind free, without presure. I remeber my lan games , when I was 18yo. It's different level of mindset...
Now just look at coolller. He is 30+ playing video games, he just got new sponsors, he left work for pro gaming, he was champion for years, so much fans see him winning and so on.. it's a big presure and it's huge inpact on your performance.
You can see how noctis can't deal just with one or two types of presure and cooller have to deal with 10+.

Btw. gg and big respect for clawz as a player. I wish him gl in the future.

when evil started jumping onto people with his lg instalock, pissing on EU every single sunday people were pissed at the player, not at the game. but now qc is bashed and ql is praised.

funny how things change when you're a hypocritical cunt.

the only place that bashes QC this hard is ESR.

bitter old men all around here. didn't expect quakers to be THAT conservative. :(

tbh the base of ESR is exceptionally healthy for a gaming site and I am referring to most of the "old" folks here.

when u see nonsense written and pathetic attempts at trolling is mostly from the newer generations. therefore, I don't agree with u. even the old trolls, like jamerio, seem like sophisticated geniuses compared to the new generations.

what and who's the base though? I registered in 2009. am i base?

it's not the trolling that I refer to, it's the "QC and bethesda are horrible and zero4 does a terrible job"-people.

WHERE'S MY 1996 GAME 2017 EDITION?

then proceded to win 1 lan

Totally this.

When Evil was smashing people with 6 LG damage, nobody complained about Quake Live.

To be fair it was just evil abusing the lg. Now it seems like it's all lg everywhere (raisy at 125fps and clawz at qcon)

how does someone abuse a weapon in a video game?

Great interview, thanks for sharing!

believe it or not,we have a new quake champion
bow down to clawz,well done.

"Everyone can give me a hard..."

"I just like to fuck A LOT"...

Ouch.

The kid might be an ass, but he totally deserves winning the tournament. He just played the new game better than everybody else, period.

Why did he win?
1. New game = new styles = new champions. It so happened that Q3 had major tournaments for 15 years (QL is Q3), so the guys at the top remained the same for a while in Quake. Zero4's Q3 style doesn't work well outside Q3.

2. Dedication pays off. In between QL and QC, and and in the dark times of Q3, Q4 and QL, of the top8 all but the two finalists had moved on to OW, SM and other games. The only two that stayed playing Quake got most of the money.

"The kid might be an ass" --- I don't understand where this is coming from? I met the young man, and he was very well mannered. I don't understand the hate he is getting. He played great, had a confident attitude I expect from a top quake player, and took home the trophy. Anybody with sense knew what happened with Voo on stage as well. It was a big moment and not intentional. He was seriously dumbfounded, I don't think he expected any of it.

Personally, I don't think he deserves the hate he is receiving from some.

I guess when people who don't know you start hating on you online, you know you've made it. LOL

handshakegate

I don’t think it’s really that hard to understand, he just got a bad personality, he’s pretty much unlikeable, end of the story.

Just look at players like Cooller or Cypher, they are also cocky as fuck, but they got CHARISMA, so it ends suiting them well, clawz doesn’t have it, so it doesn’t work with him, simple.

Some user already made a comparison between him and strenx in his early days that is pretty accurate in my opinion regarding that it’s once again the classic cocky teen that not only is annoying but got his ego too high already, so people arguing about his age and trying to justify him because of that got it wrong since It’s not the “hey man, he’s so innocent and naïve, please let’s just go easy on him” scenario, nope, it’s more like the insufferable and annoying teen that desperately needs a lesson from someone that gets to put him down (e.g. like Cooller with strenx in the famous “choose situations” combo at IEM)

Also the little stories here and there about him didn’t help his case either, like his calmness being due to ingesting drugs (prolly true, prolly not, but who cares anyway since it’s not against the rules) or the fake handshake explanation wrote not by himself but by a ghostwriter (cough..ins..cough ) and thus being not really a sincere apology.


Now there’s replies like yours that go like,” Hey, but I had a chat with the guy at Qcon and he’s not really like that IRL”, well, that’s also irrelevant since we’re not talking about his personal life but the image he gives at the screen / stage / esports, image that It’s not a very favorable one (it’s not like this is the first time that this happens anyway, people like fatal1ty have admitted in interviews that while being more or less a chill dude in private, he likes to play a character at the stage, a character that he knew very well was mostly unlikeable by the community, but he did it anyway because he liked it and thought it was good for his image.

TL;DR It's not really about a "handshake" but about him being a unlikeable cocky teen
edit: TL;DR 2 nvm, I just found this quote by Jamalz: clawz is the justin beiber of quake. LOL

Thank you for doing exactly what I said people are doing. You're making all these judgements about somebody you literally have never met personally. Going off of hear-say, rumors, etc.

Personally, I think it's petty. Grow up.

People should focus on their own lives, their own personality, and leave the young man alone.

Hmm? actually I was trying to be descriptive only but oh well.

Drugs? Ghost writers?! Dude you need to log off netflix every once in a while.

You're making all that stuff up without any proof whatsoever, and somehow Clawz is the unrespectful one? You are.

I mean, what's so unbelievable in the "ghost written" explanation?! The stage was really chaotic, with his team mates rushing to him, the usual goofy, socially spastic presenter trying to interview him, Clawz barely being able to understand or speak, etc.

I didn't make anything? That was the stuff people were saying about him and the reason why he's being disliked. The post tried to be mostly descriptive, I couldn't care less about clawz.

You seem to care a lot by the amount of baseless hate you're spewing on him

Except that as i said, there's no such thing coming from me.

You wrote a wall of trashy nonsense and baseless assumptions about him, now you claim you don't hate him but it's obvious that you do by what you wrote.

No, it's not, learn to read.

You should learn to read, if you deny what you just wrote some lines up

This is what I wrote:

I was trying to be descriptive

Yeah, this is what you claim. But you sounded a little too passionate on the subject. Actually kinda frothing, more than descriptive. Beside, making up stuff about someone or reporting baseless claims is the opposite of being descriptive.

Kinda looks like you're not reading my comments at all. Again, I didn't make anything, all that was the stuff people were saying about him and the reason why he's being hated on, I'm not part of that hate, I just tried to explain it because the comment I replied to was something like "Oh god, how is this even possible? I don't understand it, wtf people?" I just pointed out the reasons why that hate was being build and that is nothing incredible or unexpected or hard to understand or whatever, it's pretty easy to spot and explain it, so I did it, that doesn't mean I support it nor I care about it. I mean if you like clawz or want to defend him, that's fine (I don't care about that either) but it really only takes a little brain to understand this phenomenon, and deny it with something in the lines of "oh man, how is this even possible" is retarded, that's why I wrote that reply, if you don't like how I made it, that's a shame.

Those things you wrote about him are stuff that's beyond ridicolous and that nobody without an agenda would take seriously. And the tone you used was the one of someone beliveving that shit. You didn't take distance from the offensive made up stuff, so that means you were the one spreasding it. Do you take distance now? Do you admit they might be hater's fabrications?

I LOL.

Really? I said I don't care about him, I clarified I'm not part of that hate, how much distance do you want?

Oh yeah sure, "I was the one", "I was being", everything I wrote is like this or like that just because you say so, lol nope. As I said before, if you didn't like it how I wrote that reply, well, that's a shame (not that I care about that either), and this is my last reply since you're only a waste of time.

You can't throw a stone and hide the hand. At least own it.

Every time he was shown on stream he behaved like a punchable asshole. It's not only the #handshakegate

Plus there's a good reason why his mentor (cypher) can't stand him.

I stand by my point: people focus way too much on other peoples' personalities.

Guess what? If you don't like the kid, don't hang out with him or follow him. Very simple in my book. I don't understand why it's necessary to come and talk shit on a web page about a person you literally have no personal contact with. I still think it's petty and childish. It would be funny if it wasn't pathetic. I know this because the exact same thing was done to me as a young man.

I've seen him on stream... "punchable asshole" really? Sounds like you are the one with the problem, not him. Seems like an average 19 year old to me. I bet you had just the perfect personality at 19. Fully mature. Give me a break with this nonsense.

I got news for all of you: There are some people that probably don't like you, for whatever reason, regarding your personality. Should we all go online and talk shit about you too? Guess what, humans are flawed individuals... that would include all of you.

so glad your a commentator. Well spoken and smart.

I'll just close my eyes whenever clawz is in the grand final of a major tournament.

I wasn't aware you were having a conversation with him while he was playing....

How about just enjoy the game being played? Do you want to ask him out on a date? Why is his personality so important to you?

Spot on, I take the same stance

I agree with that. Small skinny guy with rat face and gay haircut. Its not a problem he looks like that, but if you combine that with his statements and his annoying playstyle, you get somebody with a target on their chest.

He's actually a pretty good looking guy so... haters gonna hate.

Well English people have famously low standards.

Props for the "haters gonna hate" signature tho, I like it

Yeah no. Wouldn't surprise me if you're ugly as fuck though, why not post a pic to show us all how handsome you are.

I know you are desperate to see something good-looking because you live in England, but sorry man, dont blame me for living in a degenerate island.

So you're ugly, cool. Don't talk shit about other people and you'll be fine, nobody will call you out on it.

No man, I got beautiful aryan genetics. You, on the other hand, are English, and thats why you are so desperate in this dialogue.

Im waiting for another "haters gonna hate" from you by the way, I genuinely laughed when you posted that, fucking heartless-tier you are :Ddd

weak antagonistic trolling, plz up your game

Hey, I think its cool that you managed to learned a new word tho. But he replied to me without me adressing him, so I guess you should look up another word, since its not quite fitting in this case.

Also, I think its quite cute that you are helping your buttbuddy out. Combined with his comment where he says that clawz is attractive it draws quite an interesting picture of the relationship of you guys.

Again you're really boring and uncreative with your feeble attempts to insult people.

If you're going for this posting style (presumably because you enjoy it or you lack anything of worth to say) then at least make it entertaining for others to read.

So intelligence and sexuality are your soft spots. Noted.

I couldn't be less insecure in either.
try harder.

> No man, I got beautiful aryan genetics
> You, on the other hand, are English

???

Has history escaped you?

You're misinformed about the hatred between him and Cypher.

More like his hatred towards Cypher, due to Cypher screwing him out of several money making opportunities.

Pretty much how e-sports organisations use the faces of controversial players to grow their own presence and/or bank account.

It's difficult to explain marketing to a lot of people who don't understand the back office politics involved, so I'm sure you can appreciate both angles of where they're coming from.

"More like his hatred towards Cypher, due to Cypher screwing him out of several money making opportunities."

Don't make things up with no proof or basis in reality please.

I don't make things up unless I've got solid information about said events.

Can we stop making stuff up, like "his hatred towards Cypher"? There's no hatred, not that we know of. They just aren't friends, Cypher and Clawz had different opinions about how quake should be played, that's it. They just agreed to disagree, according to Cypher's stream.

Oh, but i'm sure in a couple weeks time y'all will have pumped up the story to "legendary nemesis, sworn enemies, they almost killed each other IRL" levels.

Pretty sure I didn't mention quake and their disagreements, it all stems with some bullshit that happened between them and the Overwatch situation and a few tournaments they were supposed to attend together.

Sorry, I forgot, once it's been mentioned on a stream it's OFFICIAL

I don't know enough of the situation to comment nor do I really know much about the top level players, but from what I've observed myself, Cypher seems to rage a lot in-game in a lot of the game's I've spectated and there's always two sides to every story.

you do understand the hate that he's getting, and you're consistently disagreeing with the premise for that hate. pretending to not understand doesn't add anything to your argument.

there are idiots who project negativity onto experiences. their experiences are a canvas, and their minds are little painters that brushes the canvases of their experiences with the broad strokes of ignorant and incompetent ineptitude that best reflects their personal capacities for achievement. it's that simple. a person didn't shake a hand, and that triggered a process of justification for a bunch of morons to activate their cognitive bias pattern recognition mechanisms in order to snoop out any semblance of negativity possible. no amount of your attempt at pseudo-rational "maturity" is going to reverse the chemical processes going on in these people's bodies. they have given their empty selves over to the spirit that possesses them--for that brief respite from the existential void they are confronted by when left alone--and you offer no alternative to that obfuscation of existential fear that their base and petty loathing affords.

you spend your time telling people that you don't understand their positions, even in the same posts that you actually explain their positions, and you complain that people should focus on their own lives and personality, and then you spend a number of posts criticizing others for their personalities.

how is it acceptable when you do it, but somehow requires "grown-up" interjection when they do it?

ok. Everyone back to Quake Live now.

you heard the man!

Quake Champions already has more players on steam than Quakelive ever had at any point, and it's only been a week on steam with lots people still using the bestheda launcher :x

ow has even more players, why not just play that

We're talking about the quake series here.

I mean of course we could all go back to QL now with its 500 players connected now and 375 connected at the same time on average, or we could play the new quake game which was new updates every couple of days, pro players, tournament with big cash prizes, will be at dreamhack, and already has 1500+ players connected now on steam (1,000+ on average) after 1 week of release, and that number doesn't include all the people still using the Bestheda launcher.

But even if we look at OW I'd be ready to bet that the number of active OW players connected at the same time is now on the decline with games like PUBG having recently come out + the fact most of the OW players I know don't play as much if at all now compared to the last couple of years.

The game is shitty. It's on artificial breathing called lots of prize money.

Unless they invent some magic mode that is actually fun the game is going to die quicker than QL.

it hurts to think that you might be right :p

I'm having some good fun on it with my mates personally...

Mapper, speaker of truth.


The game could be fixed to an acceptable level from an orthodox standpoint, but I seriously doubt it will be.

duel is good.... sacrifice is woeful though...

"It's on artificial breathing called lots of prize money"
nice, might steal the use of 'artificial breathing' in this context :>

aka 'life support'

I don't know if most of the guys here want to identify themself with the champion - whoever it might be - or want to be friends with him, maybe even the close friends, ya know, friends with benefits, but i personally think its better to have as much conflicts and rivalries as possible at the top scene (well, in a sociable-accepted way, ofc). Because these conflicts are what make the scene alive and its always even more interesting to watch high-level quake when you know that strenx and cooller for example do not just want to defeat each other but to crush in a most humiliating way.

The same situation in modern Formula 1 now - they all some sterile boys thanking their sponsors and keeping their mommas proud while we want Shumacher coming to Mclaren boxes to beat the shit out of Coulthard who intentionally got him crashed.

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Nice read.

Beginners luck! Next year it will be a totally different story, when old schoolers prepare right for the tournament.

I actually agree with you even though I also agree with posts about how QC favors +f aim strategy used to win quakecon

he lost 3 maps in the process, not 2....

I watched the grand final a couple of times and i've realised clawz played smarter than most people here think (whether intentional or not). He abused the fuck out of the lg which works in his favour because quake champs has much bigger maps than ql so it's harder to rely on rockets and he played aggressive with one of the fastest champs in the game. I always assumed the champ with the fastest speed would be the best in the game and i was proven right in the grand finals. After playing lots of pql ca i've realized the best players in the game are those that deal damage then dissapear and it is almost impossible to spam well enough like in ql to stop their aggressive attacks because air control makes regular players god tier dodgers.

very smert, im agree

\o/

If Clawz turns up to DH Winter like he turned up at Quakecon he's gonna FUCKING KILL THEM ALL AGAIN!

It's not even going to be funny, D'day all over again but with more dead germans and civilians