i was wondering about time limit duel in qc aswell. having no restrictions on champion picks is asking for ly10 minutes of doom vs doom or whatever the current flavor is. drafting 3 champions like we do atm is unnecessary limit diversity asell.

so i like your version of including a full roster of champions with one life each. but you also pointed out the issue of locking out f2p players from the mode. this is making it harder for new players to transition to competitive quake. and lets be honest we really dont need more roadblocks as it is. only bethesda knows the numbers though. keep in mind that the precentage of fp2 players is just goin up after release. will be interesting to see what id tries out.

I see what you mean. I don't like the idea of restricting champion picks, I asume you mean banning champions. Because then we would see vo0 without his amazing Anarki, Dahang without his beast of a Clutch etc. It would rob players of their talents and spectators of a show.

The new format could potentially see 10 minutes of doom v doom, however it's unlikely, as players can afford to take more fights, since dying would mean you have 9 other champions available and you can choose the best counter out of all of them. And with the current format you can see potentially over 25 minutes of doom v doom on one map!

i also meant being able to pick your champions freely, as in being able to pick the same champion after dying. dont think that would be a good idea either.

Ah I see. Yeah, it's an important thing to only be able to pick a champion once per map.

For eliminating champions, you could make the elimination occur after the 1st pick. That way players get to use their strongest champion.

I don't like the sound of changing champion each time you die.

I think its better to have something like 3 tokens, you can change to whatever champion you want a maximum of 3 times. Once you're on your third champ you're stuck with it until the end of the match.

Or, you could do it another way where after 3 deaths, you get a token. If you don't spend your token you don't get another (so you can't collect more than one of them). If you do spend it, 3 deaths later you get another one.

3 champs is good. We just needs to make the game faster, the items should count more and more.

Maybe with Dec Update we'll see it.

with Duel it's not going to change for a while, latest i would say would be between february-march.

I meant the general speed of the game!

Classes(champions) do not work in an objectiveless mode such as duel or tdm. Either remove active abilities and champions or bastardize duel even further into something that isn't duel.

Ideally the focus should be on a team mode with objectives which should aim to bring in and retain newbies and duel should be a legacy mode in the cpm configuration for all 100 of us who are still into it so it can still have spectator value.

IMO

every QC tournament this year had much bigger audience for duel than sacrifice

And? Those numbers are only indicative of us, the old fucks. Look at the popular games and tell me how many mainstream 1v1s you see. Hell, do it outside the scope of esports.

They were always talking about of how a duel fps game is missing. You know why you dont see mainstream 1v1? Yea, because its missing.

Following your logic sac should have surpassed duel already but it didnt. Because the game mode might be fun to play on publics, but it's heavily convoluted when it comes down to competetive playing and spectator experience; there's no reason to 'bastardize' duel even further - it is 1v1 CA already

duel should be a legacy mode in the cpm configuration for all 100 of us who are still into it so it can still have spectator value

Keep dreaming

Not deep, not enought suggestions, very rude :(

I see a lot more problems of current 1x1 a looooot more

Just need to increase rocket damage and splash.

Keeping the 3 champ limit but giving them 3 lives each could work with a 10 min time limit, I'm guessing the majority of pro matches in QL didn't have more than 8-9 frags per player.

I do get the appeal of being able to choose from a larger pool of champions mid game though, this is what I originally thought they'd do. You could have it so that after 1 champ dies, you don't get to choose them again for 2 frags so you either cycle 3 champs or you can make interesting counter picks from the full list of champions.

Way to set the bar with QL, the only quake which managed to make aerowalk slow and boring.

you clearly hate q3/ql altough its the father of your beloved cpma. and you think that you are sooo way cooler because you play cpma, which i think is a dumped down version of q3/ql.

Mmmh

And now you think just because QC favors Champions that have fast cpm playstyle that QC > Q3/QL altough its so much shittier, so much you are into Cpma > *

But cpma truly is > *.
More movements, more room for creative playstyles, more skills in duel to master and much less campfest. The 15 players count of this game backs my argument so give me a plus

I gave you the plus, though i dno why exactly.

I mean it is great that you can read but it would be even greater if you could comprehend. Because how you infer that me saying I don't like piss to mean that I must love shit is beyond me.

additional downside to the proposed format - players beeing proficient in a certain playstyle will be able to use their champion of choice just once per map; given that QC is suposed to create a consistent scene for players coming from all different modes this change would favour vq3 players too much

I think the game would need at least 6 champions more to make this type of duel mode a viable format

I don't think the intention of current duel has been to create a consistent scene for players coming from all different quakes, changing stuff will always slightly buff some type of players and nerf others, it's not something that should be taken into consideration when trying to improve the game imo. CPM players are perfectly capable of playing vq3 champs and vice versa. They still get to play their Anarki and Sorlag and being good with them still gives you an advantage over people that aren't.

I thought that was the intention behind QC as a whole ;)

I can see people not familiar with Quake being put of by clear and outrageous unbalance between heroes.
Kind of hard to explain the "skill factor" of the game to a new comer if one guy has an invulnerable 200-200 tank that can cross a map in 2-3 jumps vs a hero that can die to a single rail while at full health.
Clutch and others need a serious nerf or the small heroes need a significant boost to their basic health/armour pool.

Champion balance remains something to be improved no matter the duel format, we see tanks vs small heroes in duel now too all the time and often the small champions come out on top anyway.

Small ones do come out on top quite often, but like I said quake players can understand the nuances, but it's really hard to explain the a newbie.

This whole Champion thing can be directly related to people who play Dota 2 where some hero's such a Invoker are the hardest to play in the game due to the sheer amount of combinations of spells to learn and master, where you also get super easy hero's that literally just run in and bash shit with a press of 1 button or more.

So in Quake Champions - Picking the tank hero's as a newbie will always be easier and then you can level up your skill to take on the more squishy easily killed champs.

So it's more the balance aspect, make everyone be able to stack up to 200/200, have the same starting stack and just mildly tweak their passive abilities to compensate for the increase/decrease of armor and hp pools.

Yes, one of the least picked champs of DH should be nerfed, so it's never ever picked anymore, while the most popular champs we already see too much of (Nyx, Anarki) should be made stronger, because they are clearly unfavored at the moment.

Other idea:

- 3 rounds of 5min. Most frags wins round. To win match, win 2 rounds.. Or alternative, keep frags across rounds and the player with most frags after 3 rounds win.

- Choose 1 champion per round and keep it for the whole round, After round is played it cannot be picked anymore.

Think this is a middle ground of current duel and "classic" duel..

What annoys me the most of the current duel is that only the 2 major items are really worth cycling in most situations, so no real reward (nor possibility) in controlling every item in the map. Also maps seem to have loads of hp bubbles everywhere that also respawn with 15s.... so they are almost always up and end up forcing players into 50/50 execution heavy fights to get a frag, or even forcing them to be overly commited also, because if you dont get the kill right away the opponent can just bail out using his ability or just +backing and stack up like nothing ever happened in a matter of seconds.

And no, 2x25 armor every 15s is not the same as 1x50 every 25/30s because you cant really neglet your opponent to get the resource as it is now

Nyx's "Oh shit I got caught out and am in a bad position." ability is pretty lame.

Anarki fix = when champion receive a shot, speed should be decreased... that may fix a problem when anarki is running like a bitch with a guntlet... just shot him for 5dmg or smth, and slow him to catch and finalize that.
That works great in Painkiller, what do u think about that?

Duel = your ideas sounds pretty good!

That's just the regular whining again. "Someone tie that guy down so I can hit him, ooaaa, I hate moving targets, oa-ao, ooaaauuu"

Anarki fix = when champion receive a shot, speed should be decreased... that may fix a problem when anarki is running like a bitch with a guntlet... just shot him for 5dmg or smth, and slow him to catch and finalize that.
That worked great in Painkiller, have fixed many problems with running vo0 ;D

Duel ideas looks better than now, everything looks better :)

what do you think of this:

3 champions are required to be OWNED, no rentals (!at least for
ranked duel!)

10-15min timelimit

when a champion gets killed, is put on 60s cooldown

picking up a major item reduces cooldown of your most recently
killed champ by 33%

getting a frag reduces cooldown of all your dead champs by 30
seconds

game goes til timelimit hit or until one of the players lose all
champs

why i would like this:

-if the 2 players really are not on the same skill level the game may end quickly instead of a 10/15min long rape

-increased barrier of entry due to no rentals, potentially less f2p noobs (this is where current monetary system sucks, there should be a way to grind champions out without real money or rng)

-because you can get your champions back, there is less of a need for +backing

Just from observations, I haven't played much of the game.

Problems with the current system:
- no predictability
e.g., champion balance, netcode, weapon balance, technical deficiencies, ...

- same respawn time for major items
huge issue to contest control of the map

- non-continuous gameplay
This addresses the previous point but map control should mean something in duel.
The outcome of duel should not be decided only upon starting (round) spawns.

- meta-oriented gameplay, here by meta I mean pick the most /broken/ champions at the time,


Suggestion for a new mode:
- 3 champions round-robin system with fixed time limit (10 min, continuous)
I think the 3 champions pick is still unavoidable as it fits their F2P strategy.

- add initial cooldown on abilities at the start of the map (e.g., to prevent someone from picking up the two major items instantly)

- Restrict the pool of available champions (for duel only)
This is the most wild idea and requires some explaining. In my opinion, the most difficult thing to do is dealing with the champion balance.

As such I think that it would be wiser to restrict the pool of champions for duel to:
- vq3 movement
most champions are based on this movement

- medium/light champions
no huge stack gap and thus you have to contest map control

Then, assuming such restrictions, I would like to say a few words about champion balance:
- increase stacks
seems to be coming in next patch

- narrow stack and speed gaps
for instance medium champions could have 200/200 and light champions 200/150 and to compensate the stack difference the light champions should have a slight speed boost or movement passive (wall jump, double jump, ...).

- remove cheat-death abilities
getting caught out of position is a mistake and should be considered as such

- remove telefrag on some abilities
you want to be able to rush/push someone with massive overstack and fail only because of the lack of your execution

There are still many things to add but i want to keep it relatively short. Abilities were sold to us as something that would add depth to the game but it seems that it is just too overwhelming at the moment.

- remove cheat-death abilities
maybe not remove but tweaked. using doom's berserk mode defensively is so fucking stupid.

- remove telefrag on some abilities
this can be changed to teledamage, maybe 100 damage.

- remove cheat-death abilities

This ^ 100x

Getting out of jail free card essentially, So easy to avoid getting punished if you're out of position etc.

What I would like to see, at least to be tested:

- 10-15min time limit

- unlimited lives

- 3 champions per player to pick from when dead is probably still reasonable, but...

- some kind of pick/ban or ban/pick phase for champions ala dota could perhaps change it up a bit, maybe 1 ban per map or something.


Shits already basically some dota WoW hybrid idk so why not just go down that road further :D That is if you wanna keep the champions route and not go vanilla duel.

What about for each champion, instead of a different starting health & stack, you have a 'multiplier'

For the likes of Anarki/Slash, the multiplier is x, and for a medium champion it's 1.5x and for something like clutch it's 2x or 3x?

Same stack limits of something like 200 200 for all champions.

What do you think?