His age.

Voo is old af too..

im almost 40 and my reaction time is off the charts.
keeps getting better.

He once said on stream he doesnt play QC as its too easy for him...was most probably joking. I believe he knows he doesnt stand a chance so he doesnt compete on a pro level anymore.

you underestimate him. Fatality can read gamemechanics very well. QC isnt pure quake anymore which gives him a even better chance to place well. Just look at raisy. Raisy wont have any chance vs top players (rapha, cypher) in ql/q3 but in QC...

But can he WinD0wN the WinD?

Bloke is almost 40, get of his back.
There are a lot of players from the past towards whom this questions could also be directed.

No it is completely different. Fat isn't just an 'old' player. He is a career pro gamer, he goes where the money is. The money was in this 1m tourney, there were plenty of other old gamers there like Voo, toxic etc. Do you see? This is why it makes no sense, based on his own statements.

True, but the guys you mention are significantly younger, although with long careers behind them.
The thing is he hasn't played anything in like 10 years so I think he just doesn't bother to put in the work to reach a high enough skill level to compete adequately.

I second that, Voo, Toxic were still in shape, they played some ql and tournaments and had regular practice, while fat whould have to start anew after an eight year long hiatus ...

Didn't he have a several hours gaming per day regimen? Of course, that includes gaming other than quake.

but he didnt play competetively/professionally and he did play other games than quake ... skills are not so easily transferable to qc from games outside the quakeseries ... he still could have tried his hands on qc, but he would have been at a disadvantage ... the other players have played ql regularly and were still in shape and have advanced their quake skills ... its not easy so easy to catch up on these many years of experience ...

ye it would be hard to catch up to a player like eg raisy who has years of quake experience...

I guess this was meant ironic ...

http://www.esreality.com/post/2884228/raisy/#pid2885603

http://www.esreality.com/post/2884228/raisy/#pid2885689

Fat is old and irrelevant forever now.

He'll never be irrelevant. Still one of the most successful pro gamers of all time and definitely one of the best FPS players ever, after winz.

You mean WinD?

fat is old but he woke

fat is old but he woke

he doesnt need money like young bitches clawz

Who?

is that the guy with the motherboard and peanuts?

He streamed QC in earlier beta days permanently scaring away noobs with his stacked friends in team xtina (the_queer) style. Probably made him feel good enough about himself to mark it as an achievement in his QC career.

THIS THIS THIS. Read this as many times as it takes for you all to get it. THIS is precisely what he and the other pro's did early in the beta...indeed running off so many players. I'm not sure why they all did it either knowing damn well most those kids had never touched quake before. I'd love to hear from any single pro quake player why they ever thought that was a good idea or fun.

Following your train of thought, good players can't play a new game then.

Having good MM is the developer's job.

Completely new players will get destroyed whatever. Any level of opponent will seem godlike if they just know the map and a few tricks.

Yeah this was completely horrible. A bunch of tossers did this in Australia too.

He is a business. If he marks it than its his business that marks it. He does not care about himself, but he does care about his business, which is centered around himself.

When you grow older you let the youngsters do the fighting and start to pull the strings from behind. People's statements don't necessarily need to contain the truth about themselves. Maybe he was just plain wrong about himself, or his mind changed. Also he is a business man who wants to give explanations about how his product works which is himself. But surely he needs to fear the competition plus QC is too random on top level. Maybe it doesn't sell well when he plays just ok but not being top 3 consistently. He is a business. On tbe other hand his achievements are old.

You guys should get over his statements claiming to be 7 times world champion etc. This statements clearly are there to create a business. Look at advertising. Things are claimed back and forth, most of the time far away from the truth.

Didn't he settle down with another gay man, a while back?

tfw you will never be in a relationship with fatal1ty and eat gamer food together

I just wanted to make his Asrock, all night!

To beat pros you have to be a pro as well, meaning to at least work part time if not quit. He already has a great job, essentially getting paid for travelling to speak highly of himself, earning as much as the QC first place prize pool for the whole year. Personally I wouldn't quit a job like that to become a Quake pro.

BTW I don't mean to praise him or anything. His current level is about 1500 elo, so he is nowhere near as good as say toxic or cooller (other oldies that stayed at the top three times longer than fat).

For the same reason he never even took part in a single quake live torunament, even when he was still young enough: he knew he'd get bent by pretty much anyone.

Fatality's best move was knowing when to retire early from quake competitions and maintain his old aura.

But if you look at his demos, he would have never been competitive with the latest generation of quake player- and not the usual suspects like Rapha, Dahang Cypher and the likes, but even players gravitating around the top 20 or lower in 2010.

The level was simply much lower during prime fatality years, if you watch the top matches it's pretty evident: no timing, no aim, slower clunkier movement, worse strats.

People will get mad at this like i'm disrespecting fat, i'm not, he's the daddy of quake 3, he did a lot for the game. He just was never as good as the monsters that emerged later. That's why he never officially played duel in quake live (he did, under aliases, and got rekt by no names), but played FFA and clan arena and looked terrible in there too.

Quake champions? Do you want to see him 0-3 by players outside the top 100 ladder?

I don't agree with you. Good players adapt to the level set by the competition around them. You could say the same with Zero4 and what his 'level' was during those years, but he proves that age doesn't mean everything. If you think Fatality couldn't bring himself to todays level, I think you underestimate him. Fat was amazing at Quake 4 which wasn't that long ago, watching his Q4 demos you'd see that his form was far more advanced than his Q3 years.

The main confusing thing for me is that he is a true competitor, he lives and breaths for competition (his words) And yet surely he must be bored right now?

thats his marketing strategy, he sells himself as the best ever but thats a hard status to keep so why bother

The competition in Quake Champions really isn't that great though. There are only a couple of hundred serious players worldwide (if that). Who knows if there will even be any more major tournaments.

You're not thinking like Fatality 'should' be thinking though. Remember he did the Aliens vs Predator for money? Then he did Doom 3 for the money - those games were significantly smaller than QC.

QC had two gigantic major factors: the 1m tourney & his old rivals Voo and Toxic. Two massive reasons for him to play (at least) that one tourney.

He had the potential to get the early access, do his famous 'practice practice practice' with his home LAN. He could have had a serious shot at it, then gone back into retirement, like he did for all the other games.

Fatality doesn't think about the long term competitive aspects of a game, he has always looked at the short term financial gains... and 1m for one weekend? Plus the chance to show the world what he can do again? That is what I am saying made no sense.

I don't honestly think fatal1ty gives a shit anymore; he's probably made enough cheese from tournaments in the past and his brand that he doesn't even need to invest any time or effort into games anymore

First prize was $100,000, not $1,000,000.

Quake Champions was still in Beta or whatever, most players didn't seem to enjoy the game, Id kept changing stuff, the qualifiers were badly handled, there were effectively no seeds, single elimination finals, and the matches seem much more random than previous Quakes. I don't see it as a great investment.

Other than the prizemoney the things you mention sound exactly the kind of stuff fatal1ty leaps into.

yes im, he cant admit he dont want to again be on the stress to show again if he is or not the best; but u can be sure thats the reason

he's got cheese, not just cheese from his winnings which he invested in property etc but also cheese from endorsements from his mobos etc could be cheese commission on each sale or outright cheddar, not sure

I asked him on stream why he didn't play QC competitively. He answered it in a way that made it sound like he's tired of answering, like he has done it many times over. Said he has retired from tournaments many many years ago, he only participates in showmatches nowadays.

This seems like it contradicts his statements about him playing if there was enough money, which I vaguely remember hearing at least several times, but hey, he's allowed to retire and change his mind.

maybe even 1mio wasnt enough money because he gets a similar amount per month by promoting his hardware/name.
So why should he spent time to practice when he can make more money by his usual daily doing

"similar amount per month by promoting his hardware/name" - trolling or not?
He has 50-100 views on his Twitch, 0,01% of nowaday gamers know his name, and somebody will pay him a million per month?

He's probably not get getting a million a month, but he has a brand deal going with Asrock for many years now, and other things. He's well off, and like made more money from that that his gaming career and possibly all other Quake players winnings combined.

I would think he streams for his enjoyment, not because we wants money from that.

That said, I never really liked him all that much, but he made the right choices and actually makes a good living out of his gaming career.

That is kind of true, although his stream is very small and I'm curious how relevant his brand is anymore. I'm sure he can make money but wonder if being relevant in some game might help that. He could find someone to manage the business side, after all, but nobody who could expand his gaming cred nowadays.

Practically nobody watches QC anyway, and the few that do already recognize his name.

People get bored of playing the same game.

he makes money by streaming and his business connections that he has developed over the years. he does not need to compete in games anymore to make money

If Roger Federer can still win grand slams at 36 (37 this year), Fat can still win electronic sports controlled by a keyboard/mouse.

the difference between federer and fatality is, federer has never stopped, while fatality yes...

Not sure that is relevant. I haven't played a proper duel in over 5 years, but I can still time mega/red to the second without any effort and would take me about a week of dueling every day to get back to where I was. You don't unlearn dueling in Quake.

My guess is why Fatality doesn't take it up again is the same reason most of us don't, the reward for the amount of effort required is minimal and you can earn more money in entry level jobs in the majority of industries.

its not only timing, hand eye cordination and up to date fighting tactics could have leave u far behind already

what are the up to date fighting tactics? Tell us your secret! :D

Fatality not being in QC is why TIM has gone nuts, he is really playing a dangerous game... we all know that Fatal1ty is the only way that QC even has a chance, I mean we are looking at one of the modern geniuses of nut marketing. Do you think that he can't sell the world QC? That is just peanuts to the cashew EMPIRE that the man has built. If Tim was real with us he would beg Fatal1ty to come back, we can all tell that he is nut ready to take his game to the next level. Fatal1ty, nobody would just "get lucky" on this guy on QC, right? Nobody. Fatality not being in QC, its really QC being a success without him is like your success breaking a walnut with your bear hands, you would have to be nuts to even try it.

you guys sure do talk alot about someone you claim to hate or whatever it is. Fatal1ty and the Id staff couldn't come to the correct terms ika

i bet he just doesn't want to take the risk of failing and thus hurting his brand.
Aslong as he refused to play on a competitive level he can build on former glory and be like "if i was serious i would kick ass". Imagine him trying hard and then not passing qualifiers or group stages. In some way streaming on twitch with next to nil viewers already has that effect i bet.

Fatal1ty is worried about his brand. Which is funny because being infamous is better than being unknown e.g. his twitch channel.

All Quake streamers combined on Twitch have less viewers compared to a PUBG streamer that just sits on the main menu. Reality is very few actually care about watching Quake, and even less know who those Quake pros are and the reality is, most of those Quake pros have no captivating personality which you very much need on Twitch to gain views and neither of them are CS/LOL/DOTA superstars which bring in numbers by default.

most of those Quake pros have no captivating personality

Please. They just don't have an avenue or reason to try and express it when it gives them little to nothing. Cooller would be bigger than faker as Thorin says, if Quake was huge.

The only person from the Quake scene that was enjoyable watching was 2GD, rest are just robots, regardless of the game they play, but yes if they played some bigger game and would keep winning they would have a bigger audience for sure.

Quake is just dead in general and whos playing it and their attitudes don't help it either.

Imo ins and zoot were a fun combo and bounced off each other’s different personalities really nicely, at least in terms of casters

Recently I spoke with one very important person relevant to esports and after we got drunk, he told me that fatal1ty was actually not a real person but a fake character that was invented by early gaming corporations to promote esports business. Now that esports is fully mature there is no longer a need for any "fatal1ty", and also much harder to continue the illusion of pro player played by an actor, because everyone now has mobile cameras and spy drones and whatnot, so any faked gameplay will easily be detected and obviously the actor who played fat all this years is not a good player himself.

I hope you enjoy your putin paycheck.

scholars would believe

hes a 1500elo noob... he could prepare like crazy and train to enter a big tourney and end up 16th in a 32 player format

See cooller getting beaten by fatal1ty

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCxe1ElVHM

10+ years ago.. i watched all the q4 tourneys

Just shows that Fat at the top of his game could beat Cooller at the top of his game. These guys just adapt to the game they're playing, you really think Cooller is *that* much better now than he used to be?

The level is always increasing. 2012 cooller would demolish 2006 cooller.

I heard the opposite. Young cooller was more creativ and had better aim.

creative yes, aim no

What it shows? It shows nothing. How can someone beat the best player ever? Obviously, the gameplay is faked. Only the actual player video which shows his hands as well as screen can prove anything.

And no, it's not nitpicking considering what I said above about fat being fake.

And yes, I realize I am being ridiculous, but it's one of the great things for the corporations who invented fatal1ty: if you even try to expose the story, you will sound like a stupid troll :((

With preparation he'd be top5 in no time.

But that preparation would have to be 24/7