and with all that variety in movement system the game lost:
- prediction of how much distance an unseen enemy can travel in a given timeframe
- predictable air movement and hence skillbased airrockets and lightning tracking
- any point in finetuning maps (movement from A to B possible, to C with high skill und to D only with HP loss via rocketjump)
- a great chunk of comparability in movement skill in general. with a streamlined system it was way more satisfying to watch a player with good movement or make something work for yourself.
- relevance of gamemodes that are heavily based on movement (not even just ctf.. imagine defrag in QC)

instead of gaining complexity this diversity has led to a more random game, unsatisfying to both players and viewers

To me the different movement system is far more interesting then just plain q3 movement. They need to tweak it for sure, but its still more interesting to me.

That's a Blunder in his thinking.

why blunder. its merely what killed my joy on the game when playing it for a while after the purchase.
great to hear that it works for others. for me it certainly doesnt.

defrag in QC

You try too hard.

It's not a serious game.
80% on that list doesn't matter.

Good summary. I found myself having to explain to idiots how added complications don't add depth, more likely take it away. Look at real life sports, most of them are as simple as it gets. Anyone who looks at a boxing match knows what's happening, zero explanations needed.

I agree, its fun landing a rocket in a doorway and hitting because you knew they'd be there by that time, or even better is a rail you couldn't possibly aim, you just fired on the feeling of the timing.

TBH QC is not in the spirit of the old Quakes in many ways. Although to be fair, it is in many ways as well, but its been messed with. Things like new maps are a big problem IMO, theres basically no community created content possible. At least in QL there were competitions and you could make maps for it. I just hope there are a lot more maps planned, or it'll get boring so fast.

I think Diabotical has it right, not perfect, just close enough, but who knows if thats ever going to see the light of day :(

Not trying to defend QC here, but I feel like most of what you're saying is wrong. At least in duel. That doesn't necessarily mean that the conclusion is wrong. The game might very well be unsatisfying to both players and viewers, though not for these reasons.

- prediction of how much distance an unseen enemy can travel in a given timeframe

if you know what champion this enemy is playing as, you can predict that perfectly well.

- predictable air movement and hence skillbased airrockets and lightning tracking

is this the age old vq3er argument that it becomes impossible to hit people in air if they have air control? With long distance rockets that may be true (still plenty of midairs in cpm, they even have an entire gamemode dedicated to hitting long range projectiles (CTFS)), but with LG or <4m rockets (which is 95% of rockets fired against airborne enemies) this becomes nonsense. Not enough aircontrol or speed in CQ to dodge short rockets like that. With LG, I can't even begin to fathom how you think aircontrol takes skill out of hitting airborne enemies. If anything, it gets harder. But it doesn't become random or impossible by any means. So more skill based.
With regards to clutch's double-tap, this argument is valid, but him being harder to hit is literally the point of the double-tap. It's a balance element which can be fine-tuned by devs or worked around by players (don't engage clutch in big rooms or whatever).

- any point in finetuning maps (movement from A to B possible, to C with high skill und to D only with HP loss via rocketjump)

meh. Mappers simply need to take into account that champion X or Y has advantages at certain points in the map. Others have advantages at other points (e.g. on ztn clutch can jump to RA from GL without rocketjumping, but ranger can orb to/from MH via the gap in the floor above). This is a question of balance. Instead of saying "movement to C with high skill" it's now "movement to C with champion X's movement or with high skill or champion Y and medium skill or champion Z's ability".

- a great chunk of comparability in movement skill in general.

Ye, you can't say whether player Z is better at movement than player X by watching player Z play with Nyx and player X with Sorlag. What you can do is say that player Z's Nyx movement is the best Nyx movement in the world and player X's Sorlag is only the 10th best Sorlag in the world, therefore Z is probably better at movement. And we're ignoring that many players do not focus on one single champion anyway, but use different ones on different maps, meaning you most likely can compare Z's Nyx and X's Nyx.
And let's not pretend that anyone substantially compared different players' movement in vq3/QL. There's "Cooller dodges well", "strenx knows a fancy RA jump on aerowalk" and "the swedes somehow move very consistently and clean, they very rarely fail jumps", and that's it. That's a joke compared with e.g. cpm or basically any other arena fps where you can recognize certain players based on their movement alone.

with a streamlined system it was way more satisfying to watch a player with good movement or make something work for yourself.

It was more satisfying to watch because it ran in a better engine, in a cleaner looking game, without speed caps (which are awful).

- relevance of gamemodes that are heavily based on movement (not even just ctf.. imagine defrag in QC)

This might be somewhat correct. Though I don't see why it's true, i.e. how it follows from more diverse/complex movement that movement based gamemodes become less relevant. With regards to defrag this is hardly relevant because CQ will never feature anything like defrag and doesn't need to.

All of this doesn't mean that the game isn't random in the way it's played. It sure as hell looks like it is. But I would say that's because of other reasons. For example, Q3/QL in more or less their current form have been played competitively for almost 20 years, with very little gameplay changes. In QC, the devs modify the game quite substantially every month. 2016 QL LAN finals look more refined than 2003 Q3 LAN finals as well.
Maybe there should be like, I don't know, only 3 or 4 champions in the game who are then massively different from each other, to keep it somewhat balanceable.

what i did not like about mobas and what is the reason i do not play them is that i need to know so many heros and abilities and how they go together and shit. i like takes a minute to learn and a lifetime to master.

Dude your voice is amazing. holy shit thats some asmr shit right there.

After watching the vid it's clear they have no idea what they are doing with movement in QC. What a convoluted mess of a system to be the followup to a series of games where the movement was so elegant. It all feels like bandaid patches to fix the bad idea of different champs having different speeds and speed caps, as well as movement styles. Like holy shit if you need to do all this to make it work then it was a bad idea to begin with.

QC in 2018 LUL