ESR - Clawz disrespects Lord Toxjq - Quake Champions Forum

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Devianthe

hehehe

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son1dow - Reply to #1

https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...angry_for/

they're fine

Edited by son1dow at 14:59 CDT, 24 May 2018

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<< Comment #2 @ 12:22 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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harosh

that's what you get

<< Comment #3 @ 12:41 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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melechesh '

ahahaha

ok now I admit he's a cunt

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<< Comment #6 @ 13:00 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #3

is only game

<< Comment #20 @ 15:41 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #6

not really

<< Comment #59 @ 04:06 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #3

https://coub.com/view/ih2qr

<< Comment #4 @ 12:46 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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alb '

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Edited by Alborz at 19:37 CDT, 11 June 2018

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<< Comment #34 @ 17:45 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #4

Just rofl @ the twig arms wearing a wifebeater. Probably lifted 2 months in his lifetime thinking he's tough. Lmaooooooooooooooooooo.

Wearing a wifebeater like he got a wife to beat.

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<< Comment #12 @ 13:48 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137)

good for clawz. the high court of low lives invents "etiquette" that they use to hold artificial high ground. it's an appeal to popularity, and it's the sad last resort of losers.

<< Comment #22 @ 15:49 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #12

did you grow up without a father?
nobody to show you how to be a man?

<< Comment #39 @ 19:31 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #22

oh look, a low life using the "etiquette of manliness" to shame me into conformity. fyi i'm a girl.

<< Comment #47 @ 23:55 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #39

of course manliness, its about respect.
if somebody comes up to you, to shake your hand, you should shake his hand.. this is common sense.

but to be honest, this was to be expected of a anti-social little emo kid like clawz, he grew his hair out to hide his little pencil neck.

and you seem to have his little cock jammed so far up your troath that you cant even think straight.

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<< Comment #126 @ 16:26 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #47

yes, because if there is one important thing about being a man, it is giving respect to everybody indiscriminately.

i know one thing: i would not be shaking your hand after a match, based on the unnecessarily disrespectful language you've used to address me.

<< Comment #133 @ 18:36 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #126

you dont have to, personally i wouldnt even stand up and walk up to you to shake your shitty hand, i just felt a little bad for tox because this little twat left him hanging.

its whatever, i wont lose any sleep over this.

and you know, just by reading your posts i can already tell you are a little scumbag.

i wouldnt even piss on you to save your life, if you were on fire.

<< Comment #149 @ 02:05 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #133

very respectful and manly response.

<< Comment #137 @ 19:16 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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ggnore - Reply to #133

Calm down esr

<< Comment #139 @ 19:28 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #137

dont worry, she doesnt mind.

as you can see she starets by calling people "low lifes"
then she argues "etiquette is artificial high ground"

but then at the same time she gets mad because i "adressed her disrepectfully" well this you see, is typical for a female brain, they pick and choose.. SHE doesnt want to be respectfull, but she expects people to behave nicely to her..

<< Comment #90 @ 11:30 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #47

Handshake is just a cheap substitute for respect so that people without any brains can imagine that they are "acting with respect" whatever that means for them. Real respect cannot be replaced with a mere gesture.

Edited by p4r4 at 11:31 CDT, 24 May 2018

<< Comment #108 @ 13:59 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #90

respect isn't binary, and various gestures, like handshakes, are useful for signalling it. Recognition that you know a person and they know you and you are "okay" with one another is socially and psychologically useful...

Handshakes ain't so good in terms of hygiene though.

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<< Comment #110 @ 14:43 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #90

are you some kind of rebelious teenager? some kind of anarchist.. �yeah dude, fuck the system bro! nobody is telling me how to behave�

i dont know you, it could be that you live alone in a basement somewhere with no cobtact to society.

but where i grow up, when you enter a room full of people, you greet them. you dont just walk past everybody while looking at the ground.

this is just a example, but imagine you going up to someone to shake his hand and you end up getting ignored, wouldnt you feel disrespected? u probably cant even imagine this scenario.. �why would i ever approach someone, when i can stay in my room and wait for my mom to bring me food�

im not even saying you have to go up to someone, but if someone makes an effort to come to YOU, why act lile an asshole?

<< Comment #116 @ 15:09 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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M1zzu - Reply to #47

actually manliness is meaningless social bullshit that ought to be abolished as a concept together with anyone who upholds it.

<< Comment #119 @ 15:21 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #116

tell me, do you like feminine women?

<< Comment #152 @ 03:36 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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alb ' - Reply to #116

Pls go

<< Comment #53 @ 01:05 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #39

A girl. That explains it.
All you have to do is pull your tits out and people throw money at you.

What the hell would you know about respect?

<< Comment #125 @ 16:26 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #53

i know that people who say such crass and ignorant disrespecful things about girls on the internet are typically the loudest critics of people who don't shake hands. :thinking:

<< Comment #138 @ 19:20 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #125

Twerk for me

Edited by Gobotz at 19:21 CDT, 24 May 2018

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Freiya - Reply to #138

: D

<< Comment #192 @ 19:01 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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WunderKind - Reply to #125

People should never get respect they should always earn it. The bleak nobodies who can't earn respect because they are virtue-less human debris should be kicked into the nearest ditch as hard as possible to learn their place, otherwise they always become vile parasites so toxic to society it dies from them... and then they end up in a ditch dead anyway because they can only stay alive carried by talented men. History has shown countless times that this is the only way of true progress for humanity.

<< Comment #68 @ 07:01 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #39

*tramp

Girls / women with any class whatsoever know how to behave.

<< Comment #123 @ 16:25 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #68

i take it you like the kind of "girls" with firm handshakes.

<< Comment #141 @ 20:57 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #123

Limp handshakes are only for transgenders or people with inferiority complex.

<< Comment #84 @ 09:42 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #39

I'm a girl too. Maybe we could chat & date? shake & bake? take turns attacking the pink fortress? entangle the lower beards? fish for kippers? jam the clam? lust and thrust? open the gates of mordor? plow through the bean field?

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<< Comment #97 @ 12:14 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #39

fuck you, girl

<< Comment #156 @ 09:16 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #39

whamen are subhumans: THE POST

<< Comment #25 @ 16:10 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #22

Look at the flag. They don't really have a culture.

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<< Comment #48 @ 23:58 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #25

true, they are all about obesity and autistic kids.

<< Comment #69 @ 07:03 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #48

And their few hundred years of "history".

But you know, I envy them somewhat; feeling entitled and overly patriotic over basically nothing.

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<< Comment #51 @ 00:52 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #12

It actually is proper etiquette and has been for a long time.
In other parts of the world, you bow.

He did the same thing to Voo at the first big tourney.

It's called arrogance.

He's a little fgt

<< Comment #124 @ 16:26 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #51

how convenient for you that this "proper etiquette" exists from which you can cherry pick motivations to justify your toxic expressions.

<< Comment #136 @ 19:16 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #124

Pretty sure he's a little fgt.

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<< Comment #140 @ 20:00 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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WunderKind - Reply to #12

Or maybe it developed with civilization so people don't go around getting grudges and punching each other in the face every minute.

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #140

ooh or maybe it came from a big handshake bang where there was a teeny tiny little hand that was so small it contained all the handshakes in the universe, and then one day another tiny hand high fived that hand, and all the handshakes shot out from that initial handshake! it's my science explanation!

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Freiya - Reply to #147

You miss human touch, don't you?

You have to change first.

<< Comment #195 @ 19:42 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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WunderKind - Reply to #147

Reads more like a supercringy attempt at humor by a socially inept creep.

<< Comment #212 @ 15:34 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #195

it's actually more of a digital rorschach test. i'm sure you'll get what you want from that information.

<< Comment #256 @ 20:57 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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pcfs - Reply to #212

See! This is why you just shake hand!. Look at all this arguing and name calling that resulted from just one man being brave enough to stand up to etiquette! It all spirals out of control.

<< Comment #259 @ 01:16 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #256

isn't it odd how all those people defending etiquette have been so mean?

<< Comment #257 @ 21:37 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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function9 - Reply to #256

...from just one man being brave...

Did you just assume that poster's gender? You cisgender scum, this isn't medieval times anymore. It's 2018, how about asking someone's preferred pronoun? FFS.

<< Comment #258 @ 21:51 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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pcfs - Reply to #257

Nope. I assumed Clawz's gender, since he was the brave anti-ettiquete warrior, fighting against those who need to earn respect first, I had in mind.

<< Comment #269 @ 10:00 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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function9 - Reply to #258

Shit, my bad y0! Thought you were referring to the poster that was against shaking hands, my apologies. Cheers!

Edited by function9 at 10:01 CDT, 28 May 2018

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WunderKind - Reply to #212

I bet you are member of chess.com too.

<< Comment #312 @ 01:25 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #311

you're 100% wrong. imagine that. :thinking:

<< Comment #5 @ 12:58 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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rehepapp

I suppose one could've predicted he'd choke in the finals from the way he was afraid of looking tox in the eye

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<< Comment #7 @ 13:03 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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puritan '

hope ins is already working on another "he didnt see him" tweet

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Freiya - Reply to #7

He's not that small.

AFAIK

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<< Comment #9 @ 13:09 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #7

while posting proofs after proofs bout how base cheated on lan this time.

<< Comment #13 @ 13:56 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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c1 - Reply to #7

Its his first 2v2 tournament and he was so exited after the game... Oh wait...

What excuses am I missing? His fanbois had a lot reasons why he didnt shake Voo's hand

<< Comment #10 @ 13:22 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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harosh

clawz dindu nuthin

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Lacceh - Reply to #10

dindus gonna dindunuffin

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<< Comment #11 @ 13:46 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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flynnT

tox' body language was roboty as expected, since a cyborg can't compute the delicateness of human body language - yet.

still, clawz CLEARY saw tox and didn't initiate a handshake - which tox actually tried - so let the witch hunt commence.

DRAMA

Edited by flynnT at 02:12 CDT, 24 May 2018

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<< Comment #14 @ 14:23 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz

Zoolander vs. Terminator

<< Comment #15 @ 14:27 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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sya_

What a complete cunt, crossed off for life. Props to tox, the peoples champ.

<< Comment #16 @ 14:46 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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bolus major

He did it after finals, some half assed handshake with rapha without eye contact and turning away already. Some work on them social skills (and I can't judge cause I'd look like a jerk too, judging people on esr).

<< Comment #17 @ 14:58 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

My opinion is.

Initially its easy to think bad of clawz, especially due to a previous incident at quakecon.

But tox did tap him on the shoulder first and kinda stood there, that can be seen as a sign of disrespect (Tox would not have meant it that way), and maybe clawz's head was still in the game a bit as this was straight after which was no doubt a mentally challenging game.

Just goes to show though that someone always has a camera rolling and even if you don't want to, being seen as a good sport is important cos' people can like "not so good players" with good attitudes/vibe, but people in any sport/country will never take to good players who give them ammunition.

The video was definitely awkward and once again, clawz was sensational in game, but outside of it, got his fingers burned slightly.

Clawz has to address that, all he has to do is swivel the chair around after a game and wait to shake the other guys hand, and be engaging, even if it doesn't want.

The cameras are always rolling and its the final part of the game you have to play.

Edited by Jamerio at 05:31 CDT, 26 May 2018

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<< Comment #18 @ 15:29 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #17

i wish my teeth were that white

<< Comment #62 @ 04:39 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #17

i laughed although its kinda low to mock someones appearance.

M-mm... the Sin of unholy laugh...

<< Comment #96 @ 12:09 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #17

Minus the hairs, this picture more accurately represents you.

<< Comment #19 @ 15:31 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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muxen

well, this is very sad...

<< Comment #21 @ 15:44 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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son1dow

clawzGate

<< Comment #23 @ 15:56 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Nalipotanka '

What a kid...idiot... :D

<< Comment #24 @ 16:00 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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harosh

He is the icey emotion to Latrommi's warm faced hug fest after each game.

Perfect 2z ingredients to be fair.

Just add some silence and a bit of chronic camel love and it's the perfect team.

<< Comment #37 @ 18:30 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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bogOtac - Reply to #24

and a golfcunt coach

<< Comment #26 @ 16:11 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Linkyyy

What a fucking minger

<< Comment #27 @ 16:14 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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ggnore

Eh he's young, I'm sure you guys were as crazy, immature as he was at that age, I was for sure.

He'll regret it as he gets older and learn from it, don't take it too personally.

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<< Comment #31 @ 17:21 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #27

Nah, I think most of us had at least basic manners approaching 20 years of age.

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<< Comment #36 @ 18:06 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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ggnore - Reply to #31

Maybe but you had to have done some stupid immature stuff around that age, at least the majority of the world has.

He'll learn form it like i said

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<< Comment #70 @ 07:04 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #36

I had common sense from a very early age.

<< Comment #118 @ 15:20 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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ggnore - Reply to #70

I bet both my testicles that you still said/did really idiotic shit that today you think "Why the fuck did I ever do that"

<< Comment #142 @ 21:04 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #118

Not when I knew for a fact that it ends up on the internet for sure and thousands of people might see me. And certainly not when a simple mannerism is expected - in fact one so basic, that you shouldn't even think about it.

<< Comment #28 @ 16:16 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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qub1t

toxic is the nicest guy on the internet and clawz the biggest muppet ever seen.

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<< Comment #29 @ 16:16 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Lacceh

viking vs. lil kid

<< Comment #38 @ 19:31 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (37.212.5.50)

maybe his hands can completely sucks away aiming skills, so he evade handshake with toxic to save him

<< Comment #32 @ 17:22 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Roktansky

what a soyboy

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<< Comment #46 @ 23:46 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Devianthe - Reply to #32

don't misuse words

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<< Comment #78 @ 08:12 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #46

the only people that have a use for that word are Alex Jones type conspiratards

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #78

LuL

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flocks - Reply to #78

I don't even know what that word means but I bet you'd have a use for it too if your frogs were gay!

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son1dow - Reply to #180

fair point

<< Comment #33 @ 17:34 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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006

I took the liberty of preparing his tweet.

From Nikita "Clawz" Marchinsky:
"Winning a 2v2 match was an exceptional, emotional experience for me, and in the excitement, seeing my team mate running up to me, I completely got swept up in the moment. The right thing to do would of course have been to shake hands with toxjq immediately after the win, and upon realizing my mistake I went to toxjq directly after to thank him for a good game and apologize for my laps in sportsmanship.

I have the utmost respect for toxjq and what he has accomplished throughout his gaming career, and I am honored to have been in the semi-finals vs a player of his caliber.

I'm sorry if anyone, especially toxjq, was offended by it, I was just too happy in the heat moment to realize what was going on at all."

<< Comment #35 @ 17:46 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #33

hired.

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c1 - Reply to #33

Is this the same text he wrote after the drama cuz he didnt shake Voo's hand? Switch duel -> 2v2 and maybe 1-2 words and its done.

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pcfs - Reply to #33

you must work for Trump with those skillz

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006 - Reply to #42

it was her turn

<< Comment #41 @ 20:13 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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yoyoman

Are people to beta here to realise tox showed no effort in his body language to make a handshake?

Edited by yoyoman at 20:14 CDT, 23 May 2018

<< Comment #43 @ 20:48 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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linoleuM - Reply to #41

Are you too beta to notice tox tapping his shoulder and standing as close to him as possible?

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<< Comment #50 @ 00:13 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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yoyoman - Reply to #43

Well I guess my eyes are too beta

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<< Comment #44 @ 21:12 CDT, 23 May 2018 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #41

lol. bait?

he tapped him on the shoulder gently (after shaking his teammate's hand)

<< Comment #49 @ 00:10 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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lazybones - Reply to #44

I wish tox tapped me gently :�(

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<< Comment #52 @ 00:56 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #44

tap, or death touch?

3 months clawz drops dead

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<< Comment #158 @ 09:35 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #52

ATATATATATATTATATATATATATATATTA!

<< Comment #54 @ 01:24 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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slm

handshake is stupid i dont want to touch other humanbeings hands. Just think for a moment - he prolly wipe his ass with this hand not a while ago or masturbate without lube. Why should i touch this ???? DIsgusting ancient tradition

<< Comment #60 @ 04:32 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #54

Thats up to you whether to shake hands or not. Just don't offer a hand and pretend you don't have any when you're offered to. Soon nobody will even try.

But when its about the sport event this is really the part of the whole show. If you participate in the official public sport event, which is being streamed worldwide, you kinda obliged to demonstrate a minimum level of sportsmanship. The point of handshaking is not to pretend you and your opponents are besties - its simply to demonstrate a good spirit and respect to each other and that you compete with each other not out of anger but simply in a sporty and healthy manner - this is like saying "its just a sport, i don't have a beef with you". Thats part of the show so the viewers could see the competing sides meet each other afterwards and enjoy a personal level of the match.

Also, in big sport this is essential to show that this is only a game so the fans won't crush each others skulls after the game.

And you definitely don't have to run as a madman to offer an opponent your hand, but if you have been offered a handshake its really, really humiliating for the opponent to not be meet and even more than that - he would feel like hes being intentionally ignored. And this is even more humiliating for you, because it shows you lack a very minimum of manners and basically don't know how to behave yourself in public and on cameras. Unprofessional if you prefer.

Rapha is like the absolute opposite of Clawz in that matter.

Edited by iavoal at 04:50 CDT, 24 May 2018

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slm - Reply to #60

Lets be honest, esport isn't a real sport. Bunch of 30yo "wannabe kids" playing videogames oh c'mon...snail racing is much more sport than this

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<< Comment #72 @ 07:07 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #65

U 900 elo much?

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iavoal - Reply to #65

Thats like giving up sex because you and your girl aren't famous pornstars. Or getting dressed properly because we're all sons of peasants and workers, not some nobles. Why not shit in public then?

And i especially don't buy the "playing video games" argument.

1) Sport was always a mirror of the war - like, ancient Olympics was all competing how good you are in a different military exercises.

Now the wars are being won on the screens.

2) This argument could be used against literally every sport which is not a) "classical" and has been officially approved as a sport centuries ago b) not physical at all or not physical enough.

by this logic we could get rid of almost every sport we got now, except throwing lances and so on. Racing? No, thats just steering the wheel. Chess? No, thats only playing in some wooden game. Tour de France? No, thats just pushing some pedals, thats cheating comparing to the pure running, Golf? Some strange ball-game. Tennis? Some strange ball-game. We could go on and on.

Edited by iavoal at 07:13 CDT, 24 May 2018

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son1dow - Reply to #73

their intuition is immune to your reason

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iavoal - Reply to #79

And vice versa.

But it wasnt meaningless - answering this gent's two remarks actually made me came up with the clear idea.

Question:

� Why should a proper sportsman handshake after the match?

An answer::

� Because the sport is a substitute of the war and by handshaking after the match the sportsmen show each other that they are not an enemies fighting on the real war, but just pretending. The gesture of handshaking itself is coming from the gesture with which you show that you are unarmed and mean no harm.

<< Comment #122 @ 16:25 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #80

"sport" being a "substitute for war" is a wholly imaginary premise you've crafted to support your intuitive position, and from that imaginary premise you've correlated actual behaviors (showing that you're unarmed in the establishment of truce) as symbolic behaviors (indicating that there is no enmity by shaking hands [which is symbolic for "showing that you're unarmed in the establishment of truce"]). in so doing you have fabricated an illusory nobility to shaking hands that you use to pass judgments on those who do not participate in your cultural imperative.

fact: a person can remain hostile while shaking hands
fact: a person can plot while shaking hands
fact: a person can mean harm while shaking hands
fact: a person can scheme while shaking hands
fact: a person can disingenuously shake hands

a handshake is a symbolic process upon which any person can project their own personal meaning. you select a symbolic value for shaking hands that allows you to pass a value judgment on clawz's behavior. that is your position, not clawz's.

there are many other reasons for refusing to shake hands, here are some:

1) the refusal to concede the results of a match
2) the personal dislike of an opponent
3) a sudden and uncontrollable surge of hormones that determine interactive behaviors
4) a feeling that one is not worthy to shake hands with a particular person

and so on. because you've elected to impose your "reasoned" definition of hand shaking onto this particular interaction of clawz's, it follows that clawz means this other guy harm, and that there is enmity.

what will you say if it is shown that clawz had another reason for not shaking tox's hand? will you bury your head in the sand and persist in the faith of your imaginary position?

<< Comment #131 @ 17:44 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #122

boring and a little unimaginative, my friend.

if you decline something, propose something. or there's nothing to talk about.

one has to be a realist, a critic, and a dreamer simultaneously, or its just a crap of rejecting each others position (which you even havent formed for the moment).

propose your version of sport as i had and interprete this episode due to this or i cba.

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #131

if you refuse to acknowledge the value of my expression, then it's your loss, not mine. i considerately chose my words to create a relevant point. i haven't declined anything, and there is plenty to talk about, such as the points from my post, which you've abstained from responding to.

one does not have to be a realist, a critic, and a dreamer simultaneously in order for "it" to not be "just a crap of rejecting each others positions". in fact, what you desire for me to do--invent an imaginary definition of sport as an alternative to yours--is how that very process you've described--a crap of rejecting each other's position--starts.

<< Comment #170 @ 12:59 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #148

Even at high school sporting events both teams line up and shake hands.
Pro events

Even rugby players shake hands before their raging orgy.

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #170

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

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Gobotz - Reply to #183

Tradition is what keeps society in order.
It's also the basis of culture.

A tradition in this sense is based in honor.
In essence it's like a form of sign language.
It speaks volumes.

"if you refuse to acknowledge the value of my expression"

Why do you assume your "expression" has any value in the first place?
It's validity is for others to decide.

Appeal to feelings.

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<< Comment #237 @ 11:01 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #185

"tradition" isn't a single thing. there are many "traditions", like the polish tradition of spinning dogs around at high speeds using crudely constructed wooden structures to suspend the dog from a rope that is then wound around and around, so that when the dog is let go, he spins at high speeds in the other direction. this is one example of a tradition that keeps society in order.

there are other traditions that keep society in order, too, like racial segregation and the violent bullying of sensitive and intelligent children.

a tradition in "this sense" is just your desire to imbue some behavior with a totally imaginary sensation of exclusive value. people like you put the "cult" in "culture", for sure.

i don't "assume" my expression has any value in the first place. the value is there, in the words, as its expressed. each of the characters used has a value, and when you combine those characters they create new symbolic values. think of them like little handshakes of respect, and your refusal to read them shows that you don't respect me, which means that you don't follow the traditions i value, which tells me that you're a real piece of human garbage, and there's nothing you can say to change my mind because it's a tradition (and tradition is what keeps society in order and is also the basis of culture [and in this sense the tradition is based in honor, it speaks volumes]).

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Freiya - Reply to #237

You are getting adept at twisting sentences out from actual context.

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #240

you have no idea what you're talking about. i dare you to make sense. you can't do it. it isn't possible.

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Freiya - Reply to #246

Solid reply.

When you know I'm right but wouldn't acknowledge it for anything.

Please register, so I can put you on ignore. )

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #250

there's nothing to acknowledge. you're just putting words together that aren't applicable to the conversation. what does "you are getting adept at twisting sentences out from actual context" mean? i'm isolating things from context? okay? how so? you've made the claim, the burden of proof is yours. it isn't my responsibility to disprove your claim. you've provided no evidence to support your claim, and so there's nothing for me to refute. you've just made a (very badly formed) statement. there's nothing more for me to say other than that you're wrong.

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Freiya - Reply to #254

Bla bla bla. How we ended up at dog spinning from handshakes, don`t ask me. (No, don`t write an essay on this, it`s obvious why you are reciting retarded customs; so you can justify your view on a super basic, sportsman-like behavior, while sounding enlightened.)

Yawn.

Register already.

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Gobotz - Reply to #237

Women have no tradition except which men give them.

Your favorite football team changes depending on who your current boyfriend is.

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #248

i don't have a favorite football team, and i don't need to feign interest in things to manipulate people into believing that i'm worthy of their attention. this level of generalization is what allows people like you to hold strong beliefs about handshake protocol that promotes hatred and even violence against people who watch short clips of interactions between people without any context other than that provided by your own demented imagination.

you're a sick, sick person, and i pity you.

<< Comment #271 @ 15:19 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #253

Shake it baby!

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iavoal - Reply to #148

ps-sss, i have a special secret for you: people TALK with their imaginary definitions, you know.

there's nothing that isn't one.

anyway, i must say its nice to talk to you because of your well-built speech, which is considerably rare nowadays and especially on a gaming site.

i just wish your concept of talking was more human. because now you're basically proposing to exchange with a pre-set definitions, anything else you call "imaginative". thats more like machine-protocol to me, imagine my nickname would be an IP too. we could just communicate by replying with the wiki's link on a wiki's link!

you definetly should be born a robot. it would suit you.

<3

Edited by iavoal at 15:21 CDT, 25 May 2018

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #178

yes, people have hypothetical conversations all the time. my point is that i'm not interested in turning this into a hypothetical non-argument where we go back and forth with imaginary nonsense. in many cases that is very much fun and very non-robotic behavior that i have been programmed to express and interpret, but in this case it is not, because handshake history and philosophy is something i care very much about and do not want to besmirch the subject just to appease some philistine's desire to use it as the setting for his proverbial verbal professional wrestling match.

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iavoal - Reply to #182

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_a_muddy_an...talking_IP

my dear little noname, your anonimity kinda suits you, because you haven't proposed a thing of your own, neither definition of sport, nor the role of handshake and your own interpretation of the accident. your role in the discussion is simply missing.

all you do is ridiculing yourself. pretending to be some "philosopher" whos bravely crushing some "philistines" (seriously? that kind of a lexicon?) on a outdated website. you couldnt embarass yourself further, even for a noname you are.

Edited by iavoal at 17:10 CDT, 25 May 2018

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #184

i don't have any obligation to invent some imaginary definition of sport or the role of handshake and my own interpretation of the accident. my role in the discussion was established by my participation, and is clearly expressed in each post i've made. just because you refuse to recognize how i've participated, ergo the role i've established for myself through action, does not mean that it is not existent. you're clearly delusional, and possibly insane. one moment your praising my speech, and another moment you're deriding it.

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iavoal - Reply to #213

I don't have a problem to say this another time, this aint something personal (well, because you don't have a personality), and i'm here just to enjoy some chat and, yeah, i pointed at the quality of your written speech. This doesnt mean automatically you use it to say something meaningful - you don't, simply because you had nothing to say from the very start.

you couldnt embarass yourself further

Well, It appears, you could)

"Philistine, delusional, possibly insane..." this level of discussion is even more hilarious than your pseudo-academic protocol of quoting open-source "dictionaries". Get a life, dear noname, though, i doubt you could.

Won't bother to spend a time on you again. This is getting boring and i won't even recognize if you're the same anonymous who was embarrassing himself last time.

Edited by iavoal at 18:48 CDT, 26 May 2018

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #218

i do use it to say something meaningful. you're conflating your inability to grasp the meaning with the actual message.

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son1dow - Reply to #80

It's indeed good to have someone to bounce ideas off of.

It's similar to why I type GG - it shows that I don't consider myself aggrieved (like cheated) and that... I'm positive about the game we just played in some general sense. I'm not sure I can express it succintly.

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function9 - Reply to #73

Why not shit in public then?

Apparently in India they do. Some lady gave a Tedtalk about it, haha. Open defecation motherfuckers! A true sign of freedom!

<< Comment #159 @ 09:38 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #91

SUPER POWER BY 2020!!!

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function9 - Reply to #159

If they don't fry the o-zone layer first.

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slm - Reply to #73

wiki:
Sport is generally recognised as system of activities which are based in physical athleticism or physical dexterity, with the largest major competitions such as the Olympic Games admitting only sports meeting this definition

so, esport isnt about physical athletism and not in olympic games list. Period. It is NOT sport by definition of word itself. What logic are you talking about? All ur "examples" are just out of context phrases. You have to stop lying to yourself.

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iavoal - Reply to #117

you even didnt noticed you exactly quoting my post - the last paragraph of it. we are mental creatures. we work not with our hands in modern society.

physical athletism my ass, my dear friend. welcome to 2018.
quote some napoleon times dictionary, do not hesitate.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #117

Chess is sport.
Quake is chess.
Quake is sport.
ez

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iavoal - Reply to #160

"In chess you play with the figures.

In quake you are the figure."

(c) Cooller

Edited by iavoal at 15:00 CDT, 25 May 2018

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137) - Reply to #177

so what you are saying is that in quake you play with yourself?

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iavoal - Reply to #181

I like chess and quake and played it my whole life and i see exactly why this parallel is precise, but i don't feel like it would be a meaningful discussion with you.

you must read and think a little bit more, then you would know that acting as a critic only separates the positions, while combining it with the other main archetypes allow you to have a somewhat interesting conversation.

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Freiya - Reply to #54

That's one of the reasons you wash hands on a regular basis, kids.

Edited by Freiya at 07:20 CDT, 24 May 2018

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<< Comment #74 @ 07:13 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #71

Touche.

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function9 - Reply to #54

So, by that logic, you've never kissed a woman I take it? The probability that she's sucked a dick in her life prior to kissing you I'd imagine is pretty high. If you kiss women, you might as well start sucking cock.

Edited by function9 at 11:34 CDT, 24 May 2018

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<< Comment #166 @ 11:03 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #92

))

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slm - Reply to #92

Kinda sad and suspicious to hear that some man can use "woman" and "dicks" in one associative array just like that.
But if u analyze lets say popular american tv shows from last year:
Game of thrones - gay scenes
American Gods - gay scenes
Westwood - gay scenes
The 100 - gay characters
Billions - gay characters
....etc etc
and list goes on and on and on...no wonders u slowly programmed for dick-fantasies. Every weekend u watch this and ur kids will. Kissing woman in 2018 ??? pfffft...thats out of date in NA. How about kissing sweaty cowboy instead?

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function9 - Reply to #176

1. Don't deflect, if you can't come to terms that you're a second-hand cocksucker, that's on you.

2. Thinking about a woman sucking dick is far more normal than thinking about guys masturbating before they shake your hand like you did. Your mind went there, says quite a bit about you.

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slm - Reply to #191

I highly doubt what more normal and what less. Every guy masturbates and shake hands on a DAILY basis but not every women suck dicks. Ask ur mom. If ur mom is a woman. (Might be options here due to LGBT-propaganda in NA media)

<< Comment #55 @ 02:33 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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issy

lol cunt, too bad it wasn't cooller/agent or base, he'd got schooled on the spot.

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bogOtac - Reply to #55

if he did that to avek, he'd be sucking a glock barrel until he shakes his hand like a man

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<< Comment #128 @ 16:55 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #120

I think you have at least two quake champions aliases

ps send more demos to lotzy

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bogOtac - Reply to #128

Practicing on 3 accounts, pushing to the limit, stopped eating like a noob and started eating only donuts and soylent and my dire orb accuracy improved drastically ever since.

Fuck u harosh it was supposed to be a surprise, when everyone expects bogotac III arena, i come in with bogotac champions!
Good thing about chempions is that the game is already in slowmo and its eye cancer so we probably dont even need lotzy.

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Infuscomus

You stole my pluses :p.

Like I said on reddit, the moment I caught that on camera... I knew people would react on it. I still don't think Clawz did that on purpose though, he was just distracted, had to come back to earth + he probably indeed do not have the "habit" of doing such sportmanship moves. The guy seems quite friendly actually. Still looks bad on camera though :S.

Also, toxjq is awesome in each and every way so that moment sucked.

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sya_ - Reply to #56

Next time, clawz throws up a middle finger to his opponents and takes a shit on their desk. Excuse: I'm sure clawz didn't intentionally throw up his middle finger but tried to give a thumbs up, he was just tired and distracted. his brain couldn't fire the right signals to his hand. He must've also been seriously ill and had no choice but to take a shit. I'm sure he only had the best of intentions. Overall good guy. 11/10

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Infuscomus - Reply to #58

You know, Clawz and toxjq actually get along pretty well. I totally understand how this move looks bad, but in reality, people are commenting and hating like crazy on the internet while toxjq himself might not give a single fuck and understand that, while being lame at his very moment, it doesn't mean Clawz is an asshole as a person.

I think people make too much fuss about this thing. Clawz just won an important game, the admin immediately comes to ask him to go for an interview, etc. He was distracted.

Guys seems pretty relaxed after all that actually :

https://pp.userapi.com/c845416/v845416455/60a81/mSS9GOeME_4.jpg

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<< Comment #67 @ 06:57 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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muxen - Reply to #63

What did we learn from this tournament?
That xron like bananas.

edit: btw, thanks for all the photos and videos.

Edited by muxen at 07:04 CDT, 24 May 2018

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #67

Who doesn't like a fancy banana?

<< Comment #75 @ 07:33 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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rockz ' - Reply to #63

wow, so stupid

<< Comment #76 @ 07:36 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #75

Me ? toxjq ? What do you mean ?

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garz - Reply to #63

How do you know that Clawz and Tox get along well?

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Infuscomus - Reply to #89

Didn't you see the picture ? + Latrommi told me they might have toxjq in the roster if 2z has to be formed again, etc.

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garz - Reply to #107

"Latrommi told me they might have toxjq in the roster if 2z has to be formed again, etc."

is this official information?

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harosh - Reply to #154

well i guess it's semi-official now

basically yes, tox is joining but is only spare player cus old and slow and doesn't push hard enough for the handshake

and when you can't push hard for the handshake in real life well.... what's he gonna be like pushing for quad or protection in game?

Tox entirely to blame for 2nd handshakegate

clawz not in the clear either though cus i'm not sure if he truly respects the paco... he claims he does but nah... i'm not seeing it lately

silencep & xron are the only 2z players you can trust in all fairness

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bogOtac - Reply to #171

that day he broke the train in #cunts-of-the-wild made me question his RESPECT for THE PACO tbh, good thing he hangs out with :xron: the camel rider of the PACO, so he can learn a lot and improve his RESPECT for THE PACO.

FUNgineer

<< Comment #173 @ 13:29 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #172

pretty much yep

without xron's guidance, clawz would be nothing

xron runs the show, silencep is the enforcer

latrommi is just paid to smile broadly for the photoshoots cus he's quite handsome

tox would need to respect the paco if he has any chance of fitting in but same can be said for clawz

interesting times ahead indeed

<< Comment #190 @ 18:10 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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garz - Reply to #171

How are you connected to 2z?

<< Comment #201 @ 05:50 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #190

i coach them on how to conduct themselves at lan

clawz excelling

xron smiling more

silencep farting less

latrommi hugging more people

<< Comment #202 @ 05:56 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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garz - Reply to #201

ok if you know them so well. what was it between clawz and tox?

<< Comment #203 @ 06:01 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #202

xron told him to do it

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garz - Reply to #203

To do what?

<< Comment #239 @ 11:17 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #222

I couldn't possibly divulge that.

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garz - Reply to #239

Xron told toxic to shake hands with clawz?

<< Comment #283 @ 13:31 CDT, 29 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #282

dead thread, let it go.

<< Comment #284 @ 14:23 CDT, 29 May 2018 >>

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bogOtac - Reply to #282

garz, harosh told me to tell you to let it go

<< Comment #285 @ 14:24 CDT, 29 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #284

garz, he is right, i told him to tell you to let it go

<< Comment #295 @ 04:04 CDT, 30 May 2018 >>

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garz - Reply to #285

he is in no position to tell me anything :(

<< Comment #296 @ 04:04 CDT, 30 May 2018 >>

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garz - Reply to #284

you are in no position to tell me anything :(

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bogOtac - Reply to #296

pls garz, dead thread, let it go

<< Comment #309 @ 12:47 CDT, 30 May 2018 >>

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garz - Reply to #299

oh plz bogOtac, thread is alive, plzzz, dont let it go

<< Comment #302 @ 09:01 CDT, 30 May 2018 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #154

That's what Latrommi told me. He is very busy generally so it makes it difficult for him to train properly with 2z, plus after the semi-fiasco last time there was a 4v4 competition, 2z guys kind of put the blame on him (he himself thought that was not right) so he told me he thought they will try to replace him anyway, and since they play with toxjq from time to time now...

So, it's just what Latrommi told me, it's as official as that at the moment.

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kapca - Reply to #56

Thanks for the videos.

<< Comment #220 @ 02:59 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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dashimself - Reply to #56

What is the point of deleting the video, after almost everyone saw it? Few people who didn't see it, now can only judge him based on thread comments, and it seems like clawz was spitting on tox or something like that.

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Infuscomus - Reply to #220

Video is still here but private for now. I will make it available later on when there is less hype about this and people hopefully won't use it to try to discredit Clawz when it's not appropriate. The fact that people took the video (which was supposed to show the moment of victory only as the title said) and changed the title to imply that Clawz was disrespecting tox really pissed me off. The video has been seen a lot and lots of comments are insulting Clawz because of this false reddit name and so on. So when things are better, it's probably going to be online again.

There is no real happiness reaction after the win anyway, so the video in itself isn't that important.

<< Comment #305 @ 10:13 CDT, 30 May 2018 >>

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puritan ' - Reply to #303

god forbid someone makes assumptions other than you would want to

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Infuscomus - Reply to #305

I knew we'd agree :).

<< Comment #57 @ 03:54 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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bogOtac

qc players

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Freiya - Reply to #57

When you have to eat...

<< Comment #61 @ 04:35 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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erok

Dude seems like he is kind of socially awkward anyway. That might not have been intentional he is probably still lost in his head in the game. He does seem like a douche though I've never liked the guy, although I'm basing that entirely off of just a couple interviews I've seen. Adderall tends to make one's personality kind of off too, and dudes pupils stay looking like he just put down the meth pipe.

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<< Comment #64 @ 05:26 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #61

I was there all week-end. There was nothing I could see that could make anyone think he is a douchebag... And what is that shit about adderall and so on ? Has this been proven or something, did he admit he took adderall ? You're saying that like it's been proven and anything. This comes straight out of internet's ass as far as I know. Many very talented people play well without adderall...

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erok - Reply to #64

Like I said, I was basing that strictly off his arrogant interviews. I've never spoken to the guy, so I trust you saying he is a normal good guy. As for the adderall, I'm just speaking from personal experience as I've taken quite a lot of prescription amphetamines in the past during my late teens / early 20s for studying and such. Used to love playing video games on that shit too. I didn't know that was a stigma surrounding clawz, just saying he looks like he is on amphetamines. I personally don't give a shit whether he does or does not it doesn't affect my opinion of him at all; just saying how it can affect a person and their personality or lack there of. I'd be willing to bet many of the participants in all the tournaments there have taken prescription amphetamines at some point or another. I know for a fact many quake players have that I've spoken to over the years.

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #61

Yep, I dont think he did it on purpose too. The boy spent his entire puberty playing public CTF all day, so it not surprising.

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iavoal - Reply to #81

Not the worst childhood, i would humble add.

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #83

Not the worst, but far from good (imo).

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iavoal - Reply to #339

define good then

riding wild horses? naming unexplored mountains with your intials?
cutting down trees? skipping and jumping? pressing wild flowers? putting on women's clothing? hanging around in bars?

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #344

A good childhood? One where your physical, intellectual and social development isnt blocked.

Sitting many hours a day... look at the body of clawz. Its Auschwitz/East-Africa style. Look at clawz handshaking problems, he doesnt even have the simple social awareness to get things like that right. The intellectual development... Well... Public CTF might not need the biggest mental effort, Im afraid.

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iavoal - Reply to #345

One where your physical, intellectual and social development isnt blocked.

Couldnt you be more specific?
What is your plan to provide a child this bright and balanced childhood of yours? i'm really trying to get what is the alternative you offer, because now you're just stating that playing quake is unhealthy.

But i've heard otherwise! Prooflink:
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upl...gxhqsk.jpg

Edited by iavoal at 14:31 CDT, 6 June 2018

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nex1 : - Reply to #61

And speaking of adderall, Toxic is the poster boy of amphetamines. He alaways looks epileptic at any lan he takes part. Remember his matches against Rapha, where he was shaking the whole table+screen and looked like a startled cat during the battle of Stalingrad?

He should tone it down or he's gonna fry his brains.

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BaMoFu - Reply to #93

Nope, but I do however remember one Quakecon where tox was seated at the same table as zero4 :)

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #127

What are you trying to say??

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BaMoFu - Reply to #340

I remember one Quakecon where Zero4 shook the table like a madman, he's apparently well known for it, players try to avoid sitting at his table if they can :) To be clear, I highly doubt Zero4' shakes are drug induced, rather rage induced...

Edited by BaMoFu at 14:06 CDT, 5 June 2018

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<< Comment #343 @ 10:20 CDT, 5 June 2018 >>

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mattered_ ' - Reply to #341

Dem Americans... :D

Cheers for the funny trivia

<< Comment #150 @ 03:14 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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erok - Reply to #93

I'd be willing to bet at least 50% of all professional gamers have tried prescription amphetamines at some point. Hell, I used to take fuck tons of adderall and vivance back in the day for stuyding, and sometimes I would take it just for gaming.

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #93

taking drugs that makes you shake must be a smart idea when you are playing quake.

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erok - Reply to #153

Thats why the real professionals speedball with an opiate to control those shakes :D

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #196

thats high level indeed

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crea* ' - Reply to #93

there is a ffa video of tox, could be the 50-0 but I don't exactly remember which, where he does not blink once during the whole 5-10 minutes.
As someone pointed that out it struck me as weird, I think he was on aderall at least in this occasion. Maybe he uses it anyways and incidentally it helps with concentration when gaming?

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nex1 : - Reply to #242

I very much doubt it's accidental, because medical dosages don't make you look like you're dying like Tox always looks in tournaments.

There was a big scandal some time ago about some csgo player confessing they were all on adderall at tournaments. Still i've yet to see a csgo player looking so out of his mind like Tox did at quakecon against Rapha.

<< Comment #66 @ 06:13 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Insaccato

wtf DansGame why?

<< Comment #77 @ 08:01 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

Best shot ever.
https://youtu.be/rrTll_1zi00?t=397

Edited by Jamerio at 05:22 CDT, 26 May 2018

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<< Comment #82 @ 09:18 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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AHXNXA

if we got some rivalry drama going on it would be actually more interesting than this shit game

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<< Comment #85 @ 09:46 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #82

how's cpma these days? 11 player draft cup coming up soon?

<< Comment #87 @ 10:46 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #85

I don't think that being a CPMA player makes his point invalid.

<< Comment #88 @ 11:12 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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garz - Reply to #87

Nah he thinks that QC is better than CPMA because it is played by more players. I am sure he is still watching super hero movies and cannot get enough.

<< Comment #100 @ 12:49 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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lithz - Reply to #88

Actually, I doubt esdf thinks qc is better than cpma.

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Freiya - Reply to #100

I would hope so. : D

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esdf ' - Reply to #103

imo, none of those are good. qc still has a chance tho, cpma's ship sailed long time ago.

i'm just probing a bit around player number cause you can't really expect rivalries in a population: 11 game as well=)

<< Comment #143 @ 21:04 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #113

CPMA not good?

lolwat

<< Comment #247 @ 12:58 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #143

did I stutter?

<< Comment #251 @ 14:12 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #247

Mildly.

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nex1 :

Anybody knows the source of the tension between the two? Here it seems that nobody knows what happened between the two but automatically assume Clawz is the bad guy for some reason.

Maybe Tox has been a bully to the youngest quake player.

Maybe he didn't take well that there's yet another guy hitting harder than him.

Anyway, i sense a lot of envy from people criticizing his style.

What's wrong with that? At last, someone with some personality. It was since Cooller's prime years that something like that was missing. Speaking of, you all must have forgotten how much of a cunt young Cooller was, particularly to Toxic, too.

People here acting like he killed someone or like he goes around dressed like a woman. No wait, that would actually be veryyyy well received here, with the amount of neckbeards fapping to traps.

Clawz is young, good looking, fit, and still has hairs. Most esr bitches can't say the same.

Cut him some slack, there are way more toxic personalities in the quake pro scene.

Edited by nex1 at 12:05 CDT, 24 May 2018

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #94

Here it seems that nobody knows what happened between the two but automatically assume Clawz is the bad guy for some reason.

for some reason: he does not shake other peoples hand

Maybe Tox has been a bully to the youngest quake player.

Maybe Dahang shits on raphas couch but we will never know.

So let me get this straight: we see something twice from a new guy, and the other guy who is a member of the scene from forever , on my part, no recollection of doing anything like this, we should assume suddenly that he is a bully.

Anyway, i sense a lot of envy from people criticizing his style.

I twice defended this guy, will do again when someone starts to bitch about winning qcon, but hey, not this time. Dres hands are off.

People here acting like he killed someone or like he goes around dressed like a woman. No wait, that would actually be veryyyy well received here, with the amount of neckbeards fapping to traps.

wishful thinking

Clawz is young, good looking, fit, and still has hairs. Most esr bitches can't say the same.

he is good looking if you are gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMam28by88

Cut him some slack, there are way more toxic personalities in the quake pro scene.

who?

Edited by _dre_ at 00:57 CDT, 25 May 2018

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harosh - Reply to #145

this comments deserves a plus

sad thing is, no one gives out pluses on esr anymore

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<< Comment #179 @ 15:26 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #175

:D

<< Comment #223 @ 07:18 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #145

"who?"

Agent, insulting people at any chance, cheating, forfeiting cups, ragequitting, being an absolute punk in general.

Evil, calling Killsen a nazi, acting like a jackass in tournaments with things like going afk without telling anyone why, calling timeouts to reset momentum, stealing items after the timeouts ( vs Rapha when he snatched a red armour and rapha got mad), evading tounaments bans playing under Nitrino's account, smashing keyboards in frustration at lans, always bringing excuses for when he failed at major tournaments or didn't even show up.

Strenx, an hour wouldn't be enough to write down all the occasion he acted worse than Clawz and like a cunt.

Base, for cheating and making up ridicolous unbelievable excuses.

Cooller, in his prime years he acted pretty much like Clawz to a lot of players.

Add to the list the american drama club with the guy that stole donations, and the guys that switched teams like couples at a gay bar.

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flocks - Reply to #223

It's a good list but you didn't even mention what a whiny little bitch cypher is all the time.

Also, tell more about the guy stealing donations. I never heard about that. Is there a post or something?

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lyijyt�ytekyn� - Reply to #224

As far as I know, he is talking about a guy called sparks who was streaming frequently in the run-up to Quakecon one year, and he had a donation goal of $1,000 to help finance his ticket (he lived in Canada and the event is in Dallas, TX, so it seemed reasonable).

He was on a team with rapha and Dahang originally, and if I remember correctly got replaced rather suddenly before the event started, and there was some ensuing drama where one of sparks' ex-teammates leaked that in fact his ticket had already been bought months in advance of the donation goal being met, making it a somewhat fraudulent, or at least questionable action.

In the end, as far as I remember, he decided not to attend the event anyway since he didn't want to play with a weaker team after being removed from rapha/Dahang's team, further adding to the shadiness of the situation. But sparks offered to refund anybody who donated towards his ticket after this came out, so I don't think it's something we should still be hating on him for. You can probably find more information on the Quakecon coverage thread (I think it was 2014 or 2015).

Edited by lyijyt�ytekyn� at 08:26 CDT, 27 May 2018

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<< Comment #232 @ 09:41 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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flocks - Reply to #225

Wow, that's not a nice thing to do. =(

And thanks for the reply!

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sya_ - Reply to #225

never got my refund.

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #223

Normally Id ask for sources but lets say I take everything with face value. However I noticed the seeming trend that you dont that if we add cypher and look at clawz nationality as well, we see a clear trend toward eastern europe players. The only thing it seems that make clawz in the moment less toxic that he hasn't had a decade of opportunities these guys had at the top but he is closing fast. So to nitpick a bit, way more toxic at the moment and I wouldn't be that confident that he will never catch up. For me strenx gave back enough to the community to be redeemed, and I just can't believe he is a bad guy in heart, but my up to date knowledge may be laxx.

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function9 - Reply to #223

The French/Strenx get a pass. They gave us such people as

Mich�le Mouton
S�bastien Ogier
S�bastien Loeb
and Gojira

It would be like getting mad at Aussies for unleashing Silver Chair and Iggy Azalea on the world even though they gave us AC/DC, Nick Cave, and John Butler.

Edited by function9 at 18:46 CDT, 27 May 2018

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flocks - Reply to #255

FUCK YOU I LIKE SILVERCHAIR!!

>:(

<< Comment #95 @ 12:05 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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zetman

Maybe he thought it was Tox with whom he shook hands the moment before.

<< Comment #98 @ 12:22 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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_dre_ '

jesus just look at his face when he does that . totally intentional.
I have only one logical refutation, he cant count and he has a memory of a goldfish.
This is a solid theory really.
They played 2v2 so on the opposing team there are 2 players if my theory is right. He shook one players hand, while the other was toxic, who is anyway an unremarkable character in quake.
Now because clawz cant count up to 2 and he is very forgetful, he somehow missed that he did not shake hands with tox who was standing right near him. As you see all of this ties neatly together.

Edited by _dre_ at 00:23 CDT, 25 May 2018

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Jamerio : - Reply to #98

...

Edited by Jamerio at 05:22 CDT, 26 May 2018

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #129

Sorry but i dont get it, what exactly is he doing and why?

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #167

are you autistic too? I thought you are just a simple retard. Btw have you missed a great topic with the ultimate origin of the universe? There was plenty of stuff there for you to concur, like aliens controlling the world, god, anti science shit.. I also havent seen the other idiot, Lacceh. But it is not like I was searching for dirt on my shoe ah whatever. it was a good fun

raising the eybrows could mean surprise, disgust (among others).

https://books.google.hu/books?id=TukNoJDgMTUC...mp;f=false

Dre will help you out with the vid, because he pities your autism and I know for a fact you cant read anything without resorting to some kind of conspiracy thinking.

00: Clawz was looking down prolly marveling at his junk when he saw that someone was standing there from his peripheral vision.
He starts turning towards him around :02 to identify.
At :03 he recognizes Tox and he immediately turns away ("I dont wanna see/ acknowledge you"), raises the eyebrows (contempt / disgust / surprise) and licks his lips which is a sign for nervousness (gonna spare you with the source but I think you can find it in the previously linked book ) and at 05 he presses / flattens his lips together meaning disapproval / uncertainty / stress.

http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/part...nguage.htm

now the thing is, Jamerio edited this well, but for me what does not support the ultra socially awkward theory that clawz did not produce these signs when shook hands with the other guy. The vid was taken down so I cant look at it again but I havent noticed at that point anything too bad.

Edited by _dre_ at 21:31 CDT, 25 May 2018

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #188

Thanks for the explanation, get well soon.

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #210

thats all you got now? I gutted you like a fish already. You are welcome

<< Comment #99 @ 12:48 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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GUArd

Little kid with 2 puberty hairs on his chin and with random punk girls outfit , hahaha , in tox place i would spit on his face.

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<< Comment #101 @ 12:51 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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lithz - Reply to #99

tox cannot spit, he is robot

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<< Comment #102 @ 12:58 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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muxen - Reply to #101

oil then, it's the same...

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esdf ' - Reply to #101

he can have an oil leak.

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<< Comment #111 @ 14:58 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #99

Toxjq would never do that because he is a real man, different from you.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #111

[insert What the fuck did you just fucking say about me copypasta here]

<< Comment #130 @ 16:57 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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alb ' - Reply to #99

dass it mane

<< Comment #189 @ 17:02 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #99

people from Lithuania have dicks still

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deathinfire - Reply to #99

so you would one up his level of immaturity? and you're 32? got it

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<< Comment #221 @ 04:27 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #207

Fight fire with fire.. and he is to little bitch to smack his nose.

Edited by GUArd at 04:27 CDT, 27 May 2018

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<< Comment #229 @ 09:18 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #221

When someone refuses to shake your hand, you would retaliate with a spit in the face (or even a punch in the nose, if he is not a little bitch).

This is his concept of "fight fire with fire"... a very immature and asshole concept, I must conclude. For someone who is mentally crippled, it may sound reasonable.

<< Comment #235 @ 10:58 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #229

lol. are you realy from BRA?

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Lejionator - Reply to #235

ofc, hue hue hue hue

<< Comment #238 @ 11:13 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #229

Immature yes, but seemingly when you are smacked through the face you cease to be immature yourself and consider your actions much more carefully when you are among men. Or there is a very mature alternative of course, just sit down and hold each others hand while looking deeply into the eyes, let his dick into your mouth, cry together, kiss each other and hug, like a fucking gay bitch or women. That's also absolutely possible and very civilized.

Edited by _dre_ at 11:16 CDT, 27 May 2018

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trolles

just lack of education and humility

he tried to be cocky in the next interview and u could see hes just a kid trying to look cool

nothing new under the sea, is this just and eastern european way? i mean, cooller, cypher, av3k they look like they are always trying to
impress every chance they have

I appreciate the characters of humble guys like toxj, rapha, dahang, k1llsen...

<< Comment #106 @ 13:49 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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Devianthe - Reply to #104

uneducated

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Lejionator - Reply to #104

underducated

<< Comment #105 @ 13:28 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

what a punk

he thinks hes cool now cause he won some green, he changed his apparence a lot but still a little cunt on the inside

Edited by gSTRUCTOR at 13:28 CDT, 24 May 2018

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M1zzu

this definitely matters

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bolus major - Reply to #115

thanks! I can sleep safely now.

<< Comment #134 @ 18:52 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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garz

Clawz is the new and better agent.

Agent insulted k1llsen and got banned.

Clawz does not even get banned.

And he is way better in insulting. People get really mad about it. Is there a similar agent thread? Did he ever made it to have his own thread?

Clawz > agent

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<< Comment #199 @ 04:24 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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alb ' - Reply to #134

As long as you're a kid/young in the online gaming community, everything is forgiven or you get second chances.

Looks like we all have a dad/son complex going on or we get reminded of our own antics when the blood of puberty was flowing through our veins.

Edited by Alborz at 04:25 CDT, 26 May 2018

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T1E ' - Reply to #199

we get reminded of our own antics

To me it seems like there's zero introspect with most people here.

<< Comment #268 @ 08:54 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #134

what was the agent thing? Link?

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Lave - Reply to #268

after loosing a zotac final to k1llsen, agent wrote "gg h1tler"
no response by k1llsen and nothing else happened, but agent got banned from cups for a while for that

(no idea if it actually was zotac. in retrospective zotac, faceit and 125fps merge into a big long bulb of sunday quakecups)

Edited by Lave at 14:38 CDT, 6 June 2018

<< Comment #135 @ 19:07 CDT, 24 May 2018 >>

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writhe

Clawz come to NA Trump will teach you to shake

<< Comment #267 @ 08:47 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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Vig1lante - Reply to #135

T R U M P
R
U
M
P

<< Comment #168 @ 11:45 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (85.17.24.66)

looks like syncerror's 3rd wave feminist wife has been secretly lurking esr and decided it was time to share some more tumblr wisdom with us

also, fuck clawz

<< Comment #155 @ 07:30 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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lolograde '

Toxjq should've just tapped clawz on the shoulder, or said "hey", and presented this hand or walked away. Dunno why Toxjq stood there waiting quietly and why this is all on clawz to realize someone is waiting on handshake.

Also, considering how close clawz sits to the monitor, I wonder if this guy has vision problems.

<< Comment #164 @ 10:17 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #155

Explain the facial expression. You should know that peripheral vision is wide.

https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2018-05-eyes.html

why this is all on clawz to realize someone is waiting on handshake.

Like it is a custom after the game? Last time he also did not realize? Poor realization skills I guess!

Other explanation : it is a media hax xd

Edited by _dre_ at 12:06 CDT, 25 May 2018

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Devianthe - Reply to #155

Both are autistic as fuck. Let's not sugarcoat it.

<< Comment #163 @ 09:51 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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pacmanpl '

Anyone got a mirror?

<< Comment #174 @ 13:31 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #163

join the line

<< Comment #194 @ 19:17 CDT, 25 May 2018 >>

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Lejionator

It is fashionable to hate the internet. By the way, where's the crap video??

<< Comment #206 @ 08:43 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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dashimself - Reply to #194

I think the guy deleted it, after everyone saw it.

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<< Comment #197 @ 03:14 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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iNfzx

Video is gone. reupload.

<< Comment #301 @ 08:58 CDT, 30 May 2018 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #197

It's only in private mode for now, I'll make it available later on perhaps.

<< Comment #205 @ 08:07 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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esdf '

respect the paco.

<< Comment #208 @ 11:43 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #205

many say it, much fewer do it

<< Comment #209 @ 13:44 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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sTPHN

After reading this whole thread this website should just be re-named to

SJWreality.com

So many full of shit people posting dumb shit, probably to troll (?)

You see one thing and blow it out of proportion.

People behave how they want to behave, they don't need to like everyone, they don't need to bow down to societal norms.

Yeah you can question someone's "Respect" or "Morals" but at the end of the day, do whatever the fuck you want because you're only on this planet once and fuck everyone else.

*grabs popcorn*

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<< Comment #211 @ 14:35 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #209

The same way he can do whatever the fuck he wants, we also can comment whatever the fuck we want. So you post is kinda ironic.

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #211

it is ironic. Stephen is a nice guy. Or he has a really bad day. :D

this explanation for you is also free of charge as always

Edited by _dre_ at 15:38 CDT, 26 May 2018

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #217

Yeah hes cool, just sayin'.

<< Comment #264 @ 06:48 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #217

I'm just fishing for [+]'s tbh.

<< Comment #265 @ 08:10 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #264

lol, it could be

that actually could explain many posts here in ESR that otherwise wouldn't make any sense

<< Comment #280 @ 22:41 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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flocks - Reply to #265

Possibly.
Let's look at things from all points of view, though.
Until now, most don't care about plusses.
Some do(or did), such as quake_is_potat.
Maybe we'll never know.
Everyone has their opinion I guess.

=)

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sTPHN - Reply to #280

Like assholes too, everyone's got one.

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sTPHN - Reply to #217

Also, there's no such thing as a bad day, just how you choose to have your day pan out. :-)

<< Comment #227 @ 08:29 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #211

no, it isn't ironic. where this guy is telling you to let people do what they want, you are wanting somebody else to not do what they want. do you understand the difference?

<< Comment #263 @ 06:47 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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sTPHN - Reply to #211

I love irony, it's one of the many multivitamins that makes us big and stronk.

<< Comment #216 @ 15:37 CDT, 26 May 2018 >>

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_dre_ ' - Reply to #209

:D :D :D

fuck everyone else haha

<< Comment #245 @ 12:35 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #209

TBH there's nothing going in Quake for other than 20 competitors.

So have to create your own fun, right.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #209

Are you Satan?

<< Comment #228 @ 09:11 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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ins '

Meanwhile in today's cup
https://i.imgur.com/Hosybag.png
https://i.imgur.com/N6iefjI.png

Edited by ins at 13:41 CDT, 27 May 2018

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<< Comment #234 @ 09:45 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #228

When they win a match, Clawz will leave for Toxj without an answer when the Swede says to him 'good job, bro'??

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Anonymous (70.178.201.64) - Reply to #228

ouch gg

<< Comment #243 @ 12:23 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #228

No no, you see, Clawz wears a wifebeater, he's a damn chaddy, mom where are my tendies REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

<< Comment #249 @ 13:42 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (213.248.110.84)

not the thread ESR wanted

but the thread brandan needed

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<< Comment #252 @ 16:21 CDT, 27 May 2018 >>

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Belial

tox and clawz teams up, winning todays cup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ccc_2Jzv0

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<< Comment #261 @ 05:09 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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filo

how to blow things out of proportion. wp wp.

basicly it was nothing, nothing.

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Yakumo - Reply to #261

From what I was told, the other guy in the shot briefly was the DreamHack stage manager telling Clawz he had about 1 min to leg it to the interview booth which was a fair distance away apparently.

It looked bad at first but watching a few times I don't think he even realised the tap on the chair either happened, or it was anything other than xron moving off, sure he noticed a body standing behind him as he grabbed his drink and hoodie but then never looked up enough to see who it was at that point, people stand around watching at events like that often, and he was in a rush at that point, and the footage didn't actually go on long enough to even see if they spoke after he'd sorted out his hoodie before he raced off iirc.

From everything else we know such as this pic afterwards https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...angry_for/ and them playing together in GO4QC EU #3 (Toxjq & Claws vs Xron + Silencep finals vod) afterwards they get on just great, this was all totally overblown from a short snippet of video completely out of context.

Edited by Yakumo at 17:50 CDT, 29 May 2018

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<< Comment #270 @ 12:46 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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dashimself - Reply to #262

What video?

<< Comment #274 @ 17:04 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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filo - Reply to #262

exactly, thank you.

And yes i understand internet is like old ladys trying to sniff out every snipped of drama.

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Gobotz - Reply to #261

what else are we going to do....Are you new here?

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<< Comment #275 @ 17:06 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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filo - Reply to #272

i agree, i humbly apologize and i am already, head down backwarding into a dark, moisty cave like hole. :)

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<< Comment #277 @ 17:45 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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Gobotz - Reply to #275

lol

<< Comment #273 @ 16:42 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

*****BEST ANSWER*****

For 25% ESR pluses I will recover the file from my hard drive and re-upload. No pluses no video. You decide.

*****UPDATE*****

http://www.esreality.com/post/2916326/re-claw...pid2916326

Edited by Jamerio at 12:04 CDT, 31 May 2018

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<< Comment #276 @ 17:07 CDT, 28 May 2018 >>

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filo - Reply to #273

but basicly you need to update your QC cheater list :PPP

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Lejionator - Reply to #273

it will be a long journey.

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harosh - Reply to #273

I will not plus your comment.

This comment of mine however, will get all the pluses just to frustrate you.

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<< Comment #288 @ 15:30 CDT, 29 May 2018 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #286

I only asked for 25% and I got it :)

Edited by Jamerio at 11:29 CDT, 31 May 2018

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u3a6 - Reply to #288

[img]

Edited by u3a6 at 16:18 CDT, 29 May 2018

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ProT : - Reply to #273

Jamerio is a whore confirmed.

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SaturdayEveningPost - Reply to #273

Shut up and take my [+]'s

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Freiya - Reply to #273

Fuck, only went up to 19%.

<< Comment #290 @ 16:15 CDT, 29 May 2018 >>

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Anonymous (72.204.250.137)

where did all of the handshake and behavior analysts go now that it has been exposed to have been an out of context clip that didn't convey the full story of the situation? you know what else is a big sign of disrespect? saying you'll spit on somebody or calling them uneducated and a punk from the safety of your bubble of naive ignorance. it's hilarious how eagerly the culture vultures swooped in to disrespectfully criticize somebody for being disrespectful, and how quickly and easily they flew away when their delusional motivations were destroyed.

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pacmanpl ' - Reply to #290

e n d y o u r l i f e
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<< Comment #304 @ 09:52 CDT, 30 May 2018 >>

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Vig1lante - Reply to #294

try chewing a tide pod, i hear those are good.

<< Comment #292 @ 16:35 CDT, 29 May 2018 >>

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bogOtac

where did all of the handshake and behavior analysts go now that it has been exposed to have been an out of context clip that didn't convey the full story of the situation? you know what else is a big sign of disrespect? saying you'll spit on somebody or calling them uneducated and a punk from the safety of your bubble of naive ignorance. it's hilarious how eagerly the culture vultures swooped in to disrespectfully criticize somebody for being disrespectful, and how quickly and easily they flew away when their delusional motivations were destroyed. yall are pathetic lol

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Jamerio : - Reply to #292

Facts.

4 people.

Xron/Tox (team 1)
Clawz/Silencep (team 2)

Silencep # of handshakes = 2
Xron # of handshakes = 2
Tox # of handshakes = 1.5 (would have been 2 if not for Clawz)
Clawz # of handshakes = 1 (would have been 2 if not for Clawz)

Number of players with previous form for non hand shaking 1.
Player Name:Clawz.

I mean, you can say people are not justified to be critical-"there is no issue", but the words are merely a nuance of the underlying truth.

Edited by Jamerio at 13:29 CDT, 30 May 2018

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bogOtac - Reply to #293

This one deserves over 25% tbh.
Thank you jamerio for opening my eyes, numbers dont lie indeed, god bless you my friend!

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*creep - Reply to #293

That's some serious research

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garz - Reply to #292

clawz fanboi

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garz - Reply to #297

plus i bet that you behaved exactly like this countless times before. but if it does not suit you than you denounce it. pathetic.

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harosh - Reply to #298

Is everything okay garz?

We are sensing some hostility in your recent posting.

Hope you're feeling okay.

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Freiya - Reply to #308

Possible get well soon?

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<< Comment #315 @ 02:57 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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garz - Reply to #308

are you part of some higher consciousness or smthg?

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quakeplayer - Reply to #315

nah hes just bogotac�s little boyfriend, they suck each other off n shit

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garz - Reply to #316

oh thats nice if they get along that well. does this also apply to 2z as a whole? i mean would be really nice for tox if he gets sucked of while playing qc. or is he meant to be the one sucking of clawz?

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quakeplayer - Reply to #317

no i mean bogotac and harosh, they have a little circlejerk going on on esr. but i guess bogotac likes to dickride clawz aswell so who knows.. maybe hes a lil hoe

Edited by quakeplayer at 04:15 CDT, 31 May 2018

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harosh - Reply to #318

oh it's you again.... still not well i see

get well soon

meds are there to help you but you must take them to feel better

Also, whilst we have your attention: why do so many of your posts include references to the sucking of a penis?

Very many posts from you about sucking penis, is there something you would like to share with us?

Edited by harosh at 05:13 CDT, 31 May 2018

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garz - Reply to #319

homophobia detected?

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harosh - Reply to #320

i think so, or he just loves writing about penis

if you mean me then of course not

Edited by harosh at 07:12 CDT, 31 May 2018

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garz - Reply to #321

i meant you ^^

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Freiya - Reply to #319

D I C K P I X
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P
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incomink.

Rather don't fuck with the sleeping lion.

<< Comment #323 @ 08:06 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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bogOtac - Reply to #318

Get well soon and good luck with your future posts about sucking penis, god bless my friend.

<< Comment #327 @ 12:49 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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quakeplayer - Reply to #323

thank you, maybe you could share some wisdom with me?
instead of making shitty fragmovies, you could make a tutorial about �how to ride clawz juicy cock�

you little plus fishing whore :)

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harosh - Reply to #327

I can't deny it, when you added 'juicy' ................i smiled at your post.

This is fine.

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quakeplayer - Reply to #332

hahah i know you did, you smiled because it warmed your heart.. deep down inside you like that. see, i know how to press your buttons.. i read you like a book.

im saying the stuff you two are thinking, beecause you dont have the courage to come out.. im trying to help you, since you are so deep in the closet - you are in narnia.

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harosh - Reply to #334

Bogotac, could you private message me to discuss this?

I dunno man, the quakeplayer might have a point...

Will it be this year?

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bogOtac - Reply to #336

yep, this guy understands the meta, we're out of his league harosh.

gg quakechampionsplayer

Edited by bogOtac at 19:12 CDT, 31 May 2018

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Freiya - Reply to #316

You're telling me that they went 69 while [+]ing me?

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quakeplayer - Reply to #325

ye i think harosh calls bogotac daddy, while bog is spanking his wrinkly ass.. "oh daddy, dont +back on me now"

<< Comment #330 @ 14:49 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #328

BOGGER, IZ DAT TRU?

<< Comment #331 @ 14:52 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #330

BogOcop knows who the daddy is

<< Comment #324 @ 11:47 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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Jamerio :

As Promised...

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<< Comment #329 @ 13:23 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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bogOtac - Reply to #324

lmao

<< Comment #333 @ 15:02 CDT, 31 May 2018 >>

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harosh - Reply to #324

Forgive me garz, thread isn't dead now, don't move on

BogOtac, on ya knees again son

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bogOtac - Reply to #333

told you, jamerio opened my eyes he deserved that 9% from me, numbers dont lie harosh.
You can + jamerio now its 2018, you need to adapt.
Yep, this is good, we�re happy with this, we can see this, we understand the meta.

<< Comment #342 @ 22:58 CDT, 4 June 2018 >>

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SaturdayEveningPost - Reply to #324

epic song plus

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Lejionator - Reply to #324

The music could not have been better!

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Khorney - Reply to #324

I don't know this Clawz kid. But this shit with not shaking hands is strange behaviour.

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Asuka_

https://clips.twitch.tv/RoundTrustworthyRatTBCheesePull

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sTPHN

I think this thread has almost got the same weight as when Kevz went and researched EVERY player that was better than him and accused them of le hax.

With in detailed reports and demo analysis etc.