Players.

Your replies are all shit. QC actually has a decent amount of players right now and is VERY fixable for a game in early access, and every single post ITT is proposing impossible 'fixes' that suggest the person just wants to circle jerk around q3 or ql.

Garbo

Most will leave when they get bored. Population already started dropping.

Hi SyncTerror.

How's it going?

Get it fixed than, "lol"

There should be a petition to get a separate, unlockable competitive game-mode, which pretty much everyone in this forum could beat EASILY in 30-45 min, but new players might take weeks to be able to beat, and it should nearly IDENTICAL to QL, but with weapon balances that make sense, like LG maintaining it's damage, plasma being 200dps again, and tribolt removed completely.

That's my suggestion.

I'm asking for real suggestions here, not bullshit.

quake

The ability to turn off LMAObilities.

Vanilla mode where the starting stack, hit models and movement mechanics are forced to be 100% the same.

Proper weapon balance (?)

The ability to just skin all the models the same.

and a less sensitive player base that don't get upset when they get roflstomped because they don't have the attainable skills to "git gud" just yet.

Might as well just play QL then

and people who likes abilitys will choose overwatch over QC. So basicly there is no place for qc at all.

So you want better match making. Makes sense.

a twitch streamer that captivates the 13 and under audience

tim willits vs snoop dogg showmatch at tokio game show

https://i.imgur.com/RLFXVni.jpg

a decent gamemode.

abilities arent a problem. noobs dont know how to dodge them.

Enemy model & picmip

Devs said it won't happen which is why I hope this game fails.

Standard duel 10 min.
No rounds.
Get rid of sacrifice completely.
Get rid of tribolt.
Get rid of any non quake champs: Nyx, Galena, Doom, Robot guy, BJ

Abilities should be attack based. No disappearing bs, no shields no health boosts.
It's a game of combat, not faggot trees.

Fix the fucking game.

That tribolt is way overpowered now. I played a game the other night and I was constantly being hit by it and being killed instantly. What a fucking joke, people used to complain that the MG was overpowered in Quake3 causing cess. This game is just a massive spamfest.

Lmao, they didn't added GL because "it encourages spam". They're nerfing tribolt next patch, tho.

your endless whining

a simple goal for team based games other than having most frags

also: decent engine for start

New engine. Oh wait...

I don't understand what the problem with the engine is tbh

This is one of the reasons I called you 'SyncTerror' up ahead.

Might as well just play QL then.

Engine.


First of all.

a better engine, no matter what else they add or remove to the game makes any difference tbh. The sole reason I hate the game is because it feels clunky and unlike any of the prior 4 quake games. QC is to quake 1,2,3,4 is what Paladins is to OW, a cheap knockoff.

dude.. did you play Q4 any time recently?

i opened it today and it's incredibly clunky. let's not paint that jank-ass game rosier than it actually was.

You most likely played at 60fps so its no surprise

Dude, I'm running QC on a laptop from early 2015 and its a steady 75 FPS with no frame drops, and it feels JUST like Quake 3. I spend a ton of time in Q3 weekly because I mod it, and I was stunned at how it doesn't just feel similar, but identical.

So I don't get what you mean by clunky, aside from the UI.

do you mod q3 weekly as in download custom pk3s? its obvious you havent experienced a smooth quake if you think 75fps qc is the same as q3.. i bet you dont even get the steady 75fps

No, I mod it as in work on some basic VR stuff. I get steady FPS, despite running a ton of monitors/apps and have the least optimal setup.

I played QL and RA3 a tiny bit of CPA and even OSP with steady 120fps.

Quake Champions feels identical to Q3A, I could even believe they just updated the UI, rendering module, some netcode, and game mechanics.

I dunno wtf people are talking about saying it 'feels' bad. It feels really good actually. And I bitched at SyncError on my other account like a decade ago when Quake 4 came out about how janky it felt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvaQnJYSsBs

hilarious. buy the best hardware to win. advertisers have found their game.

That's absolutely AMAZING, and a great video about a specific problem.

Has it been fixed yet, because that's pretty dumb.

Have you ever played on a screen with refresh rate above 60hz?

I have a 120hz BenQ. Why?

because its obvious to everyone here qc is nowhere as smooth as q3 leading us to believe you are clueless about what youre talking about

Or Zenimax payroll.

I was complaining about Quake 4 and it's shit movement physics the day it came out. Everything about that game was ugly, so I'm comparing the state of that game, then and now, to Champions.

Champions is in far better shape.

rofl

probably never played quake 4

Played every single iteration of Quake, including big mods.

Am I right, though? Q4 was absolute garbage when it came out and felt like an entirely different series that was mimicking Quake.

Champions feels like Q3A with all of the movement options included from previous games piled in.

It's still in early access. It's problems are still very fixable.

I liked the fact that it has a single player as well, and no, it was nowhere near as garbage as QC, even without Q4MAX.

"Early access". Worst excuse ever. For more than a year now. Many people paid 30-40 bucks for it and basically nothing changed. 1-2 new champz, some balance tweaking and like 3-4 maps. Ooops, I forgot that we now have an even shittier online lobby than before - hard to achieve that, but SyncError succeeded.

On the other hand, UT4 pre-alpha (!) and DOOM (2016) closed beta (!) ran countless circles around how QC is now.

I think I'm mostly comparing it to my experience having bought both Q4 and ETQW when they came out and knowing how shitty the engine was. This is absolutely fixable in comparison. People just need to make their voices heard about issues that are relevant and reasonable.

75 fps on a laptop and feels JUST like Q3.

It's a double

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A pretty strong one at that.

The 75 fps cringe aside, even the sickest rigs (X99, 16 / 32 GB, 1080 Ti etc.) cannot maintain a STABLE fps in QC, no matter what the framerate cap is.

True, and this should be looked at. The game feels smooth to me tho

The problem sounds like a tick rate -> physics problem, which is certainly fixable.

I mean, I bought Quake 4 and Quake Wars when they came out, so I'm comparing the batshit outrage here to that.

This is miles ahead of the shit heap that was.

it seemed alright with a decent GPU. Not nearly as clunky as QC ..which is a game released more than 10 years later and still feels clunky on best machines available today.

Also q4max made it much better, this game has no option left for modding so even community developers cant help even if they wanted to.

have you tried militia?

I mean, realistically, they are not going to do any of that stuff. Maybe a duel mode without abilities. But atm we don't even have CTF, CA or anything. Game feels clunky as hell, like the servers are struggling, random frags and bs happening constantly. On top of lootboxes shoved in your face. Someone at ID/Bethesda had the glorious idea that adding moba concepts to Quake, would somehow make it appealing to the masses. In reality, all it does is alienate it's core fanbase, cause I don't think any casual will stay around for long. Let's see how the steam numbers are a month from now. At it's current state, I can't see a future for this game sadly.

I disagree with the game feeling clunky. It runs super well on my really old laptop, and it hasn't given me any problems whatsoever. It feels just like Quake 3 to me, and I've played Q3A since like 2002 or 3. You can even clip past walls if you're going really fast in exactly the same way as you could in Q3A, but couldn't at ALL in Quake 4, which ran on a true clusterfuck of an engine.

IMHO, QC is in excellent shape, but could use some improvements to make it the most legendary game in the whole fucking series, yet everyone ITT is being a serious debby downer about almost nothing.

Also, the lootboxes are ALL cosmetic. Getting armor upgrades do nothing at all, and getting the Peace Maker or the Cess Rifle is meaningless aside from looking cool.

I really think there should be a push to get a SEPARATE, competitive mode, with concepts like server-side hit detection etc.

If enough people pushed for something reasonable and coherent while being respectable and not shitposting like ITT it might happen.

you have never experienced how smooth q3 or ql can be in the first place so your opinion counts for nothing.

I've never really had gameplay in q3 or ql that wasn't smooth since the late 2000's, but the only thing that was never smooth in any way was plasma or lightning. It was always inconsistent for some reason.

to die

Better visibility.

Well, does it need to be more competitive? How about being fun instead?

I second megaman3's statement. Give option to reduce player and map model polycount by one order of magnitude (everything that's noclip (which should be almost everything beyond the very basic map geometry and simplified player models) should have an option to disable it), give option to remove all textures and give r_nomip, scriptable hud (including option to disable team markers, damage numbers and so on), cg_gunOffset cvars, simple items, simplified animations. Model-dependent hitboxes are stupid, get rid of those and go capsule/cylinder. Customizable enemy and map colors go without saying. This is not even about competitiveness. Anyone who values gameplay should be in favor of making these options available. Make a decent preset so people don't need to tweak for hours to get a playable game.

It's extremely fun for me, but I do agree with some of your desires.

This could potentially be included in a completely separate competition mode, like the one I mentioned above, which would essentially make the game Quake 3 ++, and not some janky extrapolation based game with wonky physics and animations.

Please don't bring all of these things back, most of them aren't needed.

I actually don't miss picmip or any of those settings at all

Then UT would be a better game for you. All quake games had those options. Its like strafejumping. It belongs to quake.

Picmip's not a deal breaker for most people tbh

It's a pointless question, because competitiveness IS NOT the aim of the developers.

All the changes proposed here will never be implemented, because they go exactly in the opposite direction of what the devs aim at:

a noobified, easier and friendlier quake title that can appeal to the masses of 14 years old mobas and overwatch players.

That's entirely the quake champion's reason to be. It isn't meant to be a title that pleases the old quake veterans. Even Tim, who only occasionally and accidentally says the truth, said it open and clear for once: if the veterans don't like Champions, they can keep playing quake live. (Just few months later he publicly begged the same veterans to "stop playing quake live and come to quake champions instead")

Even the devs directly, cleanly told us: this game is not for you veterans, shut the fuck up.

So, forget about picmip and graphic smoothing: it won't ever happen ,after all the resources they've invested in creating a decently looking engine (it doesn't even look good, but at least it doesn't look like minecraft like quake live does)

Forget about higher enemy visibility: Overwatch and PUBG and Realm Royale don't have it, and another reason for devs to avoid implementing it is that it nullifies all the work they've put into producing all the pink glitter skins, the wooden horns, the eggshell hats, the Kiss makeup skins, the emo skins, etc. etc. etc.

Why the hell would they allow anyone to make all that less visible or even invisible allowing high enemy visibility quake 3 style?

That would be stupid on the money-hungry side. And money grabbing is quake champions reason to be. As it is of most other games, of course.

No ability mode? Are you crazy, or what? Champions have been created to give weak players a "fun" and "get out of jail free" button. To imitate Overwatch. Why in the fuckity fuck would they voluntarily castrate champions of their abilities? If they didn't disable abilities for instagib, you can stay sure they won't make an entire mode without abilities.

Beside, it would fix nothing, because different champions would still have wildly different hitboxes and speeds.

They won't ever make a competitive mode. Because then they'd have to play it at tournaments, inherently implying its superiority over the current clown fiesta mode.

Then noobs would want to play the "serious bisness" mode. Where they'd be reckt and not have an ounce of fun. Then they'd complain and leave (even more).



I mean: we're talking about a game so desperate to captivate any player that it's gone free to play TWICE in a year, before even being officially released, enough said.

This is very well put together, probably the summary of me explaining to disappointed older players like me why the basic game concept of the game is different hence the game mechanics, scaling and all that stems from it.

Also, they tend to not give a flying fuck about purely technical aspects because they don't need to. They probably know it won't get to that stage of being polished so it becomes a key availability cornerstone so they won't. It's not because they "want you" to buy 1080Ti/hi-end CPUs, like some people happen to think. It's because they don't care about optimization and they don't need to.

enough visibility?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQu9DLtMf_I

on a blurry lq video? with shitty brightness/gamma?

yes that must be QCs fault.

CTF, CA, better servers, better visibility.

All in all tho, as someone who witnessed the early days of Quake 4, it's looking pretty good so far |]

Q4 got quite fast better with q4max (community devs are just better/more passionate)
On ID side it was... too slow till they released the proper pointreleases

Q4Max took a long while to come out tho, but yeah was a huge improvement for sure.

Duel mode is horrendous. It still boggles my mind why they haven't changed it after so much negative feedback. I've literally not seen anyone say they enjoy the way the mode is. But, you know...

I enjoy it myself even tho I'm crap at it (need to learn new maps fs)

I think it has some decent potential tbf, I applaud them for attempting something different than the standard 10-15 minute affair we've had for decades now.

Guess it would need all the stuff earlier iterations have had, most important I actually think a solid playerbase/community is, have a hard time seing a community forming without a gamebrowser and the ability to join servers freely. If you can't join servers where your mates or players you reckognize are, then I can't even see an embryo of a community ever form.

Other than that the usual:

Good comp modes for ALL players, not just the pros

Comp features like being able to pause a game xD kind of a joke really that Quake in 2018 miss this feature

Comp skins/bright skins, just think ctf without teamskins because that's propably what we're heading for

Blablabla you've heard it all and know it all...

Make the game feel like it's not a demo version of a Quake game and give the community atleast the feeling like it's not a hobby side-project. That should keep atleast the current playerpool playing.

The current playerpool is already shrinking fast after the initial free to play player influx.

They tasted the game, and didn't like it for whatever reason.

Not enough content, mostl likely. I'm baffled at the lack of CTF, clan arena and other game modes