If you want to really avoid using your underarm, which is kinda hard during closerange shaft or rocket battles no matter how high your sens and accel, then I'd say you'd have to opt for something like Agent sens, which is 7,5 sens @ 1600/1800 dpi and play with your fingertips without trying to squeeze your mouse too hard.

If not, I'd say use something like 3.7 sens and 0.13 accel @ 400 dpi. I think the base sens is high enough to avoid lot of underarm action and low enough to still be accurate. I'd put an accel offset of around 3 to 5 to still be accurate when being on the low end of mouse speed and put a sens cap on it (personally I like to cap around 5.4-7.5 depending on the values I use) so it's easier to memorize flicks.

Or go for something between the 15 and 22cm range without accel.

I play on an icemat 2nd edition which is 30cm wide and I've gone as low as 30cm/360 on it and it worked fine for me. Think this'll attest enough that I play a wrist heavy style.

Btw, if you really have some trouble with carpal tunnel or RSI or w/e your experiencing then just take a proper break, or reposition your chair/mousepad and fix your posture. You could even try to move your mousepad to the back of your desk so your arm is extended, this will also force you more to wristaim.

Good luck man

Try this:
Sens: 3.7 (1.85 @ 800 dpi)
Accel: .132 (0.033 @ 800 dpi)
m_yaw/pitch default (0.022)
offset: 3.1 (1.55 @ 800 dpi)
Senscap: 5.4 (2.7 @ 800 dpi)

You can lower or remove the offset completely for the accel to kick in faster or immediatly or higher the senscap (or remove it) so you can make faster turns in trade of having no limit to your max accelerated sens (higher learning curve)

50 lg for me with those settings

Tweak it around a bit, see how it feels for you.

Thanks for the informative reply.
I shall test these settings later today/tomorrow.

Can someone explain to me what Acc. Offset and Sens Cap exactly do?

PS: 50% LG sounds amazing. :)
What did you have without acc.?

offset is the accel curve

http://www.esreality.com/post/2462874/mouse-accel-power-question/

senscap is the max sens you can reach (and accel defines how fast you hit this cap)

Thanks, man.

I aim pretty much the same with a variation of sensitivities. Rockets and speed suffer if I go too low, rail and long range lg suffers if I go too high.

I used to play 20cm/360 @ QL but feel it's slightly too high for QC, so I'm @ 4.28 400/428 dpi now and I think this is around 22-24 cm/360. No accel.

Accel in qc feels like shit so just switch to high sens.

Pretty sure tox doesn't use accel. I would try taking a week or 2 off playing and see if it helps

Tox is just sick, then. I was sure he must've been using acc. looking at how little he moved his mouse, but still had the best LG on the planet.

Is it known why he went away from acc.? (I'm pretty sure I read, years ago, that he used acc.)

He used to play 35 or 36cm/360 if i remember; serious no accel (i think) and mid-high sens, stermy and his brother same, strenx low sens no accel in ql era, idr evil.
killsen, clawz, cypher use accel and still great lg.
You can find their setup on twitch.
Or wait for hearless lol

Interesting.

Seeing that claws and cypher use acc., gives me hope. :D

clawz using high accel (0.17), cypher low accel (0.017). cypher also using crazy low fov (100).

tox has an easy on the arm setup imo. 22cm sens and 120fov.

He tried and couldn't get used to/decided he didn't want to learn it. It would probably be easier to help you if we knew what settings you're using that's causing you pain :)

Tox is using higher sens (than in ql days) and no accel, something like 22cm/360 now.
I tried m accel last months with low sens, started to have elbow pain (LOL, was used with 26-29cm/360 no accel, played for weeks with 40-50cm/360 or less with 0.01-0.02 accel 800dpi, now returned to high sens no accel)
If you wanna try, use mid accel (0.01 or 0.015 800dpi), same sens or 10-20% less to compensate floaty aim due to the accel.
Change yaw or pitch if you need different values/axis.
Set maxsens for easy 360/450 moves you dont need more

use this

Wow, that's sick!

This but not this.

Get a chair with arm rests and keep your elbow on the rest. Im doing this now although I can take or leave the arm rest I just naturally do it now that im using one of these crappy outside plastic chairs that has the arm rests.

Then place the bottom of your hand or palm at the edge of desk so the bottom of your hand is resting on the pointy edge of desk.

I know this is pretty obvious, but just saying this is how I have always played.

You never really remove palm from its spot although you can slightly pivot - unless someone forces you into doin 360's and you need to track but even then basically just lift instead of moving.

So I use no accel - sens 1.25 @ 3200dpi, fov 112.5 (fov 112.5 QL = 126 QC)

I play fine like this - not the best dueler but I win 50% of my FFA no matter who else is on server. Focus on how LG feels everything else is less important.

Just saying people can play like this. What will be hardest is getting used to different sensitivity. If you told me to double my sens I dont think I could do it.

What is important is to always think about how FOV makes it feel different, and to also think about how DPI of mouse changes the feel. For example sens 2.5 @ 1600dpi does not feel the same as 1.25 @ 3200 and this can be exagerated when you are playing high sens.

edit: also i always make sure that a quick flick of the mouse to the edge of the comfortable area without lifting palm too much is equal to a 180 turn in any fps game

I sorta do this, but rather than keeping my arm on the arm rests of my chair (Which I've removed), I instead have my mousepad and keyboard quite far into my desk so that my forearms are completely on the desk. It's helped a lot with some of my RSI.

1. Did you try different sitting positions when your arm is resting on the table for most of the time? I would give it a try to completely change this. Is your keyboard next to mouse pad or below the table?

2. Perfect solution would be to do some rehab to fix issues in your arm. In many cases it is something that can be fixed by exercises. If the pain is located around elbows I can give you some tips what I've been told and maybe find exercises on youtube.

Edit: can you make a photo of your setup while you sit and hold your mouse?

Yeah, I've tried various positions.
I have a table that can be raised and lowered.
Currently used it at it's lowest setting. Seems to have helped slightly. But not enough.

Any specific underarm exercises you would recommend?
Its mainly in this highlighted area I'm experiencing pain.
[how do I upload images?]

You can put image on some 3rd party website and post a link, e.g.: https://imgur.com/upload

Do you lift or do any pushups/pull ups?

If you're working your arms, you'll not have issues when using a mouse with or without accel.

I'm old as well in gaming terms but I look after myself and I aim so much better now than what I did a few years ago. Your physiology is super important when it comes to gaming, and it's nice to see a lot of the professional organisations putting an emphasis on physical and mental health in relation to high performance albeit gaming.

Prime example is the most recent Dota 2 International tournament where every top organisation has made it mandatory to be phyiscally fit.

I'm old and fat. ;( ;( ;( ;(

unless you're 40+ no excuse innit.

He's right though, you will definitely see improvement if you start actively exercising 5-6 days a week. I've always had way better aim / game sense when I've been a gym rat and eating well as opposed to some years in between being lazy and eating like shit.

Just play high sens!

hi i created a new account to say this

wmo

If you're looking for other peoples accels, I can probably suggest looking into this thread that was posted a year or so ago

www.esreality.com/post/2839547/sensi-and-acce...-your-own/

From my experience mouse accel can be good only if you play really a lot like 4 hours a day. It's harder to warm up with accel, flicks are less consistent (could be fixed with sens cap though).