A FUCKING TURRET.

Team Fortress, Weapons Factory, Chaos DM and other classic Quake mods had turrets. who cares at this point man? there's already Strogg in the game.

game should be fun and accessible, not some unicorn formula of Quake3.. if you don't like this, it's ok. you're not the target audience of the game

...you're not the target audience of the game"

Yeah he is not a QC dev.

haha, good one

no, really, if you're not willing to make concessions in this new age of gaming.. it might not be for you. that's just how it is.

Looking at the player numbers, it might not be for anybody. Big surprise that a technically fubar game where devs/designer keep pulling random stuff that nobody ever asked for out of their behinds instead of trying to please the customers as you do in a professional business, is failing. In short, It looks like they are making this for themselves... constantly pissed about how people don't appreciate them masturbating. :)

I get what you're saying, the game was compromised for a target audience (casuals) that wasn't there anyway.

but hey, they had to try something new at this point, in line with current gen hero shooters. releasing QL 2.0 for a small community wouldn't make too much money.

This the quake that's not making money. AFPS could be marketed as a brand new thing, because that's what it is for millions of kiddies who only ever played hero games and some military shooters.

Those kiddies you are talking about who play hero games, military shooters and battle royale would have no interest in a hardcore game where the objective is to time the spawning of items and strafe jump around the map in circles.

Unless AFPS is massively dumbed down and you remove things such as item timing and strafe jumping, you'll always have the issue of the games being too hardcore to learn for the mass public with too much of a skill gap between the old school arena players and the new players.

On the other hand, when you dumb down AFPS by adding abilities like in QC, or even worse removing item timing and strafe jumping, you end up with an hybrid where the old school players don't like it, and it still doesn't really appeal to the masses because it's not "the thing" of today.

No, tha game is only as hardcore as the opponents you get. If proper marketing brings in larger numbers, the noobies can play each other. But making a million dollar tourney for a game that hardly anybody knows about yet is not marketing, it's idiocy. It's the other way around, hype frist, million $$$ comp after.

Matchmaking has nothing to do with AFPS not being attractive to new/young players.

Their logic was: big cash tourney = attracts lots of pro players from different games = their followers and anybody who knows any of those pros then want to play the game. Fail.

I truly believe that even with great marketing AFPS is just not a concept that would ever be very popular.

Some ppl keep saying APFS can't be popular, but they never ever have any arguments why. They pretend it's like "people don't ride horses anymore, they drive cars" although none of the obvious arguments there apply here at all. Saying AFPS in not popular to the new crowd makes zero sense because they don't know even what it is. It's like saying ppl living in the desert don't like to swim, when in reality they never tried it. It's just BS they ppl pull out of their buttholes, honestly. You can sell anything with proper marketing, even insanely stupid products like pre-dirtied jeans for 100-200 $$$, and AFPS in itself is a perfectly ok IP product. The truth is nobody really tried.

You don't have to resort to comparing video games to horses and cars to clearly see what is trendy and what isn't in today's world, and what would appeal to a young gamer of today.

The objective of the marketing as you rightfully suggested is that it brings flows of new players who get attracted by the game.

Now while you could argue that no AFPS game ever had real marketing behind it - which is partly false but I appreciate you mean not to the extent of some other game production companies - whenever I had gaming friends who I tried to introduce to Arena FPS (either IRL friends playing on my computer, or gaming friends I talk to online) they just couldn't grasp it or enjoy it, at least not enough to play it day after day.

You could consider this viral marketing. I play a game and therefore recommend it to my friends, they like the idea, like the trailer and the atmosphere, they get the game, but just don't enjoy it - or at least not enough to play it regularly. You have no idea how many of my friends I got to buy QL on steam or download Warsow for free etc. but only 1 that I can think of actually stuck to it. All the others kept playing CS, military shooters, Rocket League, OW, and Battle Royal games.

So here I am actually talking about people who verbally get sold to the idea of playing the game and like the concept and are convinced, but once they play it they don't like it. And this goes as far back as Quake4, Painkiller, Warsow, Quakelive, now QC etc.

Now if you look into the reasons why they don't like it, typically it is because of the concept of regularly picking up items on the map which spawn at specific times which you need to calculate, the complexity of the movement and more specifically strafe jumping, and knowing what weapon to use in what situation when you're carrying like 7 of them and having a bind for each of them. And those are actually specific elements which kinda make arena FPS what they are and different to other FPS games. And don't even get me started on the skill gap between people who have played AFPS for a while and those new to it, even if we pretend that they wouldn't get matched together, it's still enough of a put off to know you'll need at least a solid year or two before you even scratch the surface of being able to play with the mid-tier players.

Yes with good marketing you can sell anything, but that doesn't mean people will enjoy it and keep using it.

As someone who works in marketing I can guarantee you the young gamers of today are not the right audience for AFPS, regardless of how much marketing is done. Sure, the better the marketing the more people you will attract and therefore increase your chances of keeping players, but realistically the majority will not enjoy it and move on.

It's not because AFPS is a bad product, but it's because it's got way too much competition today with many games which are A LOT more attractive and fun for new and young players.

How much money would have make QL 2.0 and how much money is making QC?

lol ql 1.0 would make more money right now vs qc

Stop talking out of your ass.

if they released a new q1 episode it would make more money than qc, if they released jazz the jack rabbit today it would make more money than qc...

Easily. If you'd get a young kids to play old Q1 single player I'm pretty sure many of them would be compelled by the amazing atmosphere even despite the very oldschopol graphics.

I think you're a bit out of touch with the youth of today.

I have a 20 year-old brother, know a lot of his mates, and I also teach martial arts to teenagers. I can confidently say that none of them would be interested in a game like the original Quake1 for many reasons including one main reason you seem to think is minor but isn't: the oldschool graphics.

With what's available in terms of graphics both on console and PC today, the kids of today would be absolutely repulsed by something like Quake1.

While the atmosphere is good it is nothing unique that cannot be found in a lot of other adventure and horror FPS games, at least for the kids of today. (unless of course you're a big Quake fan that is)

Kids play C64 and amiga games for hours when you show them how to.

Kids play any games when you show them how to if they have no other alternative of games to play.

When you let them choose what games they want to play and they have access to anything, you can be sure it's not the old school games they will pick.

lmao

Quake has now almost finished it's transition from hardcore PC FPS to casual-friendly mobile tower defense.

Thankyou to all at Bethesda and id who made this possible.

u still need aim, movement, timing, etc. to succeed, basically all the core concepts of pure quake plus understanding of abilities

Turret placement is serious business.

lol

O rly?

Let's see you beating anyone in the top 100 then if it is so casual friendly ROFL

Attempting that would involve playing QC.
I'm good.

Meow meow. Meowowow!

much purr

Payload mode when?

- Reduced damage of all damage dealing abilities

I wonder how much % they reduced telefrag ability damage xD

75 dmg for both Nyx and Ranger

make QC great ...again?

Imagine if any of this feline bullshit actually lent itself to fixing the fucking game.

cool that they're willing to nerf "press F to delete opponent" abilities.
if they can really fix the framerate and netcode issues.. the game is honestly good enough.

agree

yeah, gonna buy a new video and try it again after the full release.

full release? in 2 years or when its dead?

I read on bethesda forum they wont change netcode because developers think the netcode is fine

i don't give a fuck, mate. I'm too busy right now to play at all so i wont bother to upgrade my pc for befor that changes.

And i didnt care playing a dead ql for quite some years, so, yeah, dont mind if qc gonna be dead by then. There always will be somebody to play with and i dont give a fuck about how succesfull the game i play is unless its quake.

Maybe i put it a little bit wrong - its not that i intend to deliberately wait until the release. Its more like i wont have a proper conditions a half-year or so, and i suppose its gonna be a final release then.

Already uninstalled and never bothered to look into their plans on the forums. After the first 3-4 patches seeing that all they did for netcode try to hide the problem I started to catch on.

The last time I played for a moment it seemed like they actually did fix the netcode but I played a few hours more and felt the same exact flimsy trash. It’s like playing cod ffs. But even cod has tighter feeling with it.

Anyways. It’s as I’ve said and many have said. Qc cannot be fixed. It’s fundamentally not quake and the devs show ZERO heart.

Cya in unreal tournament.

Is there a new one out soon or even out?

" Lightning Gun

Damage 7 to 10 and…
…rate of fire 52 to 80 ms (134 to 125 dps)
Allows armor to give a more accurate absorption rate
Reduces the amount of fx, sounds, network calls, while still feeling like a good continuous fire weapon. "




To try to fix the mess of a netcode.... they reduced the firing rate of weapons.

You can't make this shit up. Like, i can't even. That's hylarious!

10...10...10 the new 777777777

really makes you wonder how much the higher ups know about the competence of this team...

I can assure you, they don't

first time i heard them working on lg sound and netcode issues way more than a year ago (after bj release wich made the issue more apparent with his dual wield). so no, they did not go for the fire rate right away, they are just not capable of fixing their engine :D equally hillarious but something different. argueably worse even because you can fix a lazy approach a lot easier than technical incompetence

Allows armor to give a more accurate absorption rate

Is it really that much more accurate?

Someone correct me if I've made an error, but...

The Q3 calculation (I assume it is still the same in QC) would have a 7-damage LG taking 5 from armour and 2 from health, and a 10-damage LG taking 7 from armour and 3 from health.

So the absorption rate for the 7-damage LG is 71.4%
And the absorption rate for the 10-damage LG is 70%.

They are both quite a bit off from the general armour absorption rate of 66%, and that has never really mattered before. Wouldn't taking a greater proportion from health be considered a buff to the LG?

But the health absorption is only an excuse! Their netcode and servers literally can't hold a weapon firing too fast.

Nevermind that in previous quake iterations that was never even remotely an issue, and we're talking almost 20 years ago.

That puts in perspective how FUCKED the engine is and how clueless the developers are.

That's pretty sad if it is true.

If its true? Its out of question the developers are incompetend

With mod developers they game would be fixed in 3-6 months to perfection.

Well, it looks like they have seen people dislike the new LG, and now it is back to a fast firing rate but with 6 damage per shot.

Note: Players have reacted positively to the dps change, but felt that the rof change was highly negative.
• Damage 7 to 6 • Rate of fire 52 to 48 ms (134 to 125 dps) • Knockback 6 to 7

Source: https://bethesda.net/community/topic/259580/p...ber-6-2018

im a little bit surprise the "Reduced damage of all damage dealing abilities" part is not getting mroe attention.

this is a major shift in design philosophy and the first thing in a loooong time that made me more optimistic about the future of the game.

true that ... if it is true :-)

they nerf ranger, BJ and DK BUT keel can still use his 5x 75dmg nades while firing somethingg else.

so yeah the game will be totally balanced

I read on bethesda forum they actually nerf ed all attacking abilitys. Sounds very reasonable. Almost too good to be true.

Next step should be classic duel with 15min timelimit no rounds no fraglimit and let us take a champ as much as we want to. Then the game is almost esport ready.
(No abilitys would be perfect but the whole game is based on them so...)

Ofc sound and netcode should be signifikant improved too.
And competition features (brightskins, picmip and so on)

Or just a better engine with mod support and its fixed.

I don't like that they try to rebalance the champions though

at this moment we watch the pros using all the champions in tourneys, mediums, lights and even heavies. You can pick any champ and you have a chance at winning. I am afraid of returning to the anarki, or clutch or doom era, where 1-3 champs were OP and the only valid choice.

Some light champs are just too weak like slash. Her ability is almost useless due she is fast enough and you rarely get a kill with it.

I really miss the old Quake, makes me sad

lolqc

get rid of lg.
make excessive rail gun.
5 sec rail trail.

excellent suggestions, but maybe we should try out different values for the rail trail, 5/10/15, see what works best.

also we need mobile support, its real silly how people think up all these reasons why the game is failing, all the while the game is limited to only one platform. phone support is essential in this new age of gaming.

i think we need a petition for these suggestions

Yeah, blizzard did it yesterday announcing new diablo. Players are delighted :D

I think thatsthejoke.txt ;)

orly?

https://vtt.tumblr.com/tumblr_ou51m87k681vbslr4.mp4

What the &/@#{€£<¥>|

This game captures the feeling of a Quake game right. It felt like a Quake game when I started playing Netcode seems fine to me, people talk about how you get shot going in to a portal and death showing before you went in, but even Quake Live had that feeling Whether you believe it or not, QC will have less of a chance to survive than it currently does if you take away abilities. I love them.

Pls dont let this lower firerate LG a go nomater what.
The game allready dont give much possibilities for players who rely a lot on aim and they want to handicap it even more.
Meta varies from game to game and from patch to patch but generally quake was always fun for different styles could find its place under the sun: Aimheavy agressive players, "pacmans", positional oriented/back+, rats(place defined nickname here) etc
But what happens is that with that changes it puts defensive play to the highest degree possible. Speaking about current duel in QC due to being round-based it will always have that curve towards staying safe and defensive so it must be done somehow that going into fights should be encouraged, and instead we get completely the opposite with this PTS changes

those changes are good and necessary, BUT will result in another anarki meta. which is pure, unfiltered cancer.

why u had to remind me of that

you'll be reminded of it when all this goes to live :s

He was talking about pure unfiltered cancer.

U can reposition ur gun but still cant just hide ur viewmodels or change xhair scale :/