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There aren't enough players for teams/clans to form.

I think he's talking about games in general, not specifically quake

The nomenclature has generally been abandoned but the clan scene in big games are very active.

which games?
I see there are clans in games that specifically encourage teamplay like RPG games with their guilds, but what about fps games? CS, OW, Battle Royale Games

Overwatch 's North American open division had 578 teams in Season 3.

https://battlefy.com/overwatch-open-division-north-america

Almost every big CS:GO event has at least 1 slot for EU and 1 for NA that come from closed qualifiers

And those closed qualifiers have like 4 big teams that are directly invited + 2 slots that come from open qualifiers.

Those open qualifiers are filled with small/unknown teams but also big teams who didnt get a direct invite to the main event or to the closed qualifier

I'm not sure how many of those unknown teams enter the open qualifiers because Liquipedia only shows the tournament tree starting from Round of 32, so it's possible that the actual amount of entries is larger than that.

I think Valve forces organisers to do this system if they want to be part of the circuit (I'm not exactly sure how that works though)

Here is an example if you're interested (you just have to click "European qualifier" under Gambit and you'll find the closed qualifier etc)

https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ESL/One/2018/New_York

faceit quali's have 1024 slots but usually its around 500 teams for eu qualis

Gaming has became too mundane and abundant. People go on Steam and buy dozens of games, one game's lifetime is few months max for any random person, the idea of a clan in such enviroment is just silly. People expect new things all time, they don't expend to waste a lot of time on a single game. Pretty much all games that are considered famous or legendary are from distant past, people don't remember modern games anymore. When today's kids grow up, they will not have some special loved game that they want a re-release of, they will probably remember childhood as a weird time when you woke up in the morning and had to play same game as yesterday and wonder how they could even survive those awful conditions. These are not conditions where scene might form, including clans, fansites, etc.

Interesting analysis, you're onto something

yeah, it got more mundane and people got a lot more games than in earlier times, so they concentrate less on single games and dont worship these games as much

Because you don't get an achievement, skin, lootbox or hat for joining a clan.

i remember my first clan, it was me, a guy and his 2 kids and another middle aged man that owned everybody.. i think we were called mcnutty, fun times

This is obviously true for games like QC.

But how are things with active games like CS:GO, Overwatch, BO4, Rainbow Siege, Destiny 2?

There must be clans there? And not just the top teams that always are represented at the big LANs (Astralis, SK and so on).

you might find some clans in these games, maybe more likely than in qc, but its more an exception than the rule, back in q2/qw, most players regularly playing quake were a member of a clan

There is still clans out there but its overshadowed by the top teams. And now days everyone wants to be sponsored and all that jazz. Days of average clan is over I guess. And not forgetting some gamers now days tends to have lots of issues, so clans / teams will always break up. Cause of whatever reason

One that clan that really stood out for me when it comes to just friends playing for fun and owning everyone was - iC. The 2 brothers Toxic and Gopher, and friends, Fox, Panicore, Phantom, Tech, Reptile and Beth.

the original SK is similar story imo

Yeah true but that didn't last long. A once fun group of friends became an organization, and had endless supply of issues since all that happened. eoLithic was the same as SK Gaming in one stage, in 2003 they eoLithic disband. The fame and work that comes with having a gaming organization aint for everyone.

Going from a group of friends using a clan tag to big organization like SK Gaming. I'll stick with clan tag...

"Clan" is such an archaic concept. Now it's all about "friends", "followers" and "groups".

gaming is for losers with no friends

Man clans were the shit. I feel like kids today are too antisocial for it tho

"Clan" life actually meant you'd get together with your mates and go out and do shit as well.

I remember the days of lugging PC's to friends houses, getting fucked up drunk and all that good shit.

It was more of an excuse to go out, where people nowadays are a lot more lazy as you can literally wake up and have high speed internets that let you play with anyone in the world.

Physically leaving the house < Internet

there were also these icq group chats ... and gossiping about other clans and players, complaining about bad play in a clanwar, etc. :-)

People still form clans. Nothing has changed it’s just not a big todo like 1996-1999 era. Nowadays we have professional esport teams.

for some few professionals at the top of the 0.1 % pyramid maybe

it's gonna come again. (twss)

Because of this mindlessly lame Twitch culture where everyone wants to be famous with their shitty neon racing chairs. Today it's not really about the games anymore and clans were a huge part of games in the old days, so.....

Clan wars was one of the most fun things QL could offer, just coming by three members of a clan on a CA server and asking if they would want a game, pummel fist fight in the centre of dm6 to decide first map pick and then battle it out in a friendly but serious game... golden age.

If any tier 3 noob here remembers FoN (Freaks of Nature) back in 2010 - 2013, that was mine and darkmessiah's (now giant) clan.

I remember seeing FoN. And that drunk clan, were quite a few people running around with that tag and the thread on the forums was invite invite

drunk, ids, pwp, I_AM and that orbb clan etc. had players everywhere :)

Clans still exist, just not like they used to, and they're only apparent in games that have a competitive scene active enough to make people want to squad up. Quake doesn't have that anymore, Clanbase shut down and there are no good team leagues going that would ever incentivize a group of 4 or 5 players to stick together. There is no competition. And having a clan of duelers is essentially just a clique of characters. Why would there be rivalry between two clans when all you're doing is playing against a single opponent. Surely your opposition is the individual and not the company he resides in. The only arena fps game that I know of where the majority of players are in a clan is probably Xonotic, and even then they don't organize clan wars or have any league or regular cups. I think we all belong to clans just for some kind of posterity.

As for other games, such as Rainbow 6 Siege or Counter-Strike, forming a team with strangers is possible due to the fact that there are organizations that actively support the game with leagues.

Not only that, but these games rely more on team chemistry than Quake does, in competitive R6 Siege you can't replace a player in your team with a random and expect that random to be as integrated as your former team mate was, they wont know your strats and they will probably play a different role. It's much easier for a random to integrate into a Quake team than it is for R6 or CS. In these games if you want success, if you want to dominate, then you need to be in a team. Otherwise you're just a shitter who deletes heads in matchmaking. There is more merit to be found in sticking together as a team in these games than there is in an afps.

Speaking of, matchmaking has also been a big changer. I feel like it has destroyed the sense of community when it comes to Counter-Strike. Before, if you wanted to play competitively, you needed at least 5 people to form a mix team, and then you would need to connect to IRC and find a match. Either you'll play against another mix team, or you'll play against a team that are looking for practice. You'll bump into the same people regularly. Now, with matchmaking, there is no reason for me to network myself, I do not have to go to a community website like ESReality, Cadred, Tek-9, and interact with other community members, I do not have to respond to threads looking for team mates, etc. With one click of a button, I can be in a match that mimics the competitive game we used to have, and when I'm done I never have to see those people ever again.

Nowadays casual gamers are less interested in forming teams with people when they have match making systems in place. They can enjoy a solitary experience without any commitment. Why make a clan? What's in it for them?

That isn't to say casual gamers are no longer interested in making clans, there are abundant examples of casual clans around, but the way people game with one another has changed as well. With the rise of social networking and PC gaming's popularity, more and more people within your real life social circle are probably going to spend more of their spare time on their PC.

When I was in school all of my friends were busy playing PlayStation or Xbox, they gave no attention to PCs, the then current social networking platforms weren't worthy of their full undivided attention as they are now. We definitely sit in front of our computers more often than we did 10 years ago. So when I wanted friends that I could play PC games with I would need to make pals with strangers on the Internet who already played the games that I do. But today with our PCs being popular, chances are the younger people who are playing already have friends in real life who happen to play on PC too. They'll probably form a discord server or a skype group and they'll spend more of their time hanging out on voice than actually playing games with one another in a coordinated group. Besides, what do they benefit by wearing a little tag?

To me, I just see that there is no competition to be had anymore in Quake, the spotlight is all on duel, and if I want to play team games then I'll go be a pugstar. As for other games, it is still only the dedicated that put themselves out there to form teams, but it's just a bit harder to do when you lack a home for other competitive minded people to congregate in, and the only answer to this that I've seen are websites like Siegrs.gg (for R6) where everything is so clinical like a box ticking system.

Fucked if I know, I'm probably askew with my perspective. Clans have changed. Games have changed. Gamers have changed. We're living limp.

I've plused you even tho you wrote Clanbase instead of ClanBase :)

Anyway.. yes exactly.
Matchmaking had a big impact on clan formation.
Back in the day we spent most times playing with similar group of people on our favorite local server. It's much easier to form bonds when you play each other every day. There have been a couple of "fun" clans in my country that never actually competed but just enjoyed playing together. Their whole reason for forming was probably because they saw more experienced players flashing their clan tag and they wanted to be more like them.

Of course most of them formed to compete and there have been a lot of leagues that offered ladders and cups for team based game modes.

But currently at least in QC, the focus is mostly on duels.
I think thats the reflection of the current "ME" culture, where self absorbed narcissistic youth is setting the trend for everyone else :/

Quake doesn't have that anymore, Clanbase shut down and there are no good team leagues going that would ever incentivize a group of 4 or 5 players to stick together. There is no competition.

House of Quake TDM League is still going.

Speaking of, matchmaking has also been a big changer. I feel like it has destroyed the sense of community when it comes to Counter-Strike. Before, if you wanted to play competitively, you needed at least 5 people to form a mix team, and then you would need to connect to IRC and find a match. Either you'll play against another mix team, or you'll play against a team that are looking for practice. You'll bump into the same people regularly. Now, with matchmaking, there is no reason for me to network myself, I do not have to go to a community website like ESReality, Cadred, Tek-9, and interact with other community members, I do not have to respond to threads looking for team mates, etc. With one click of a button, I can be in a match that mimics the competitive game we used to have, and when I'm done I never have to see those people ever again.

Yeah, thats a good point u dont bump into the same players anymore, so its much harder to built up a relation to the players, because u lack the same experience and the knowledge this person even exists ... and I dont think u can reduce this situation specifically to quake champions being a duel game, because although there are professional players and twitch streamers playing duel, the most common gametype is still the teammode tdm

+++ for the matchingmaking part.

It was very obvious when cs:go came out. Joining you favorite server and play to get to know people is just something that rarely happens now, especially not for new players. They just press the find match button, and lean back. Teammates is found automatiically, so no need for IRC or voice servers to find players. Voice chat is also ingame. 2 minutes after the game is over, they have forgotton all about it, and started a new one.

And as you mentioned cadred, that site went downhill real fast around the same time i believe. I know there is still life around hltv.org, and ESR for that matter, but i bet it has been reduced a lot. Starting a new community site today is impossible. People go to reddit or twitter/facebook for the news they need.

You dont 'bond' the same way as you used to.

Gaming wise, it would be nice if it was still like 10 years ago. That was good times.

tbh hltv.org is more alive than never before

There's literally a clan match every weekend on the aussie QL servers between 3 main clans.

things changed somuch in a decade its unreal.

It's only true for Quake because QL is winding down, but QC is not a viable source of team activities, there are cups and such, but try to create an impromptu PCW against someone you barely know. In QL you could just scream vs people you saw with the same clantag with "4v4 CTF (or lolCA PCW?") and then be scrimming within 15 minutes. Try to make a pcw in QC against strangers ( as opposed to arranging one vs a group of acquaintances you knew for 10+ years). The playerbase just can't handle premade clan events. If you do a premade vs randoms, there's a 50% chance of at least one newcomer (at LEAST) on the other team making it a pointless ROFLstomp. Good luck not waiting for matchmaking for about 15 minutes as well.

Another thing is, with the displacement of QuakeNET on irc, discord just seems like a sub-par substitute. Custom emoticons, but I personally don't like the GUI. And the decentralisation of "servers" mean its a pain in the ass to find the right codes. It took me way longer to find #cpmpickup than it should be, then the robot made me wait for 10 minutes to talk (probably because of spam protection, but FUCK YOU FAGGOT BEEP-BOOP THE SINGULARITY WILL NEVER HAPPEN, and xero accused me of being a troll just cosI was veing facetious when saying hi. Esr discord was oke, but Vid seems to finally have transcended humanity to become the Bosnian homosex communicating via random memes and generic cuntfaggotry, so am was leave.

Clan events still exist in Pidar Unkown's Buttgrounds, cs:gtfo and even some French deathmatch UT clone (that nobody even heard about) in an alpha stage hosted weekly events with 20+ sign-ups. Ita just quiet on Quke.Chempion Arena

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What's this French UT clone?

ShitMania

Didn't he say it was in alpha?

ShewtMania has been out for like 10+ years, no?

I think he means that the game never felt like a finished product. Unless he's talking about some other game I'm not aware of.

Yeah, if only a link to the CPMA Discord could be found on the CPMA website :-)

quake became duel only long time ago, and the devs are trying to kill every team game mode on purpose in qc. also: matchmaking

but the most common gametype for normal players is still tdm

boring team modes, stacked tryhard teams

1) The games are shit (see, the games aren't Quake 3)
2) The culture of decadent bullshit and no hard work
3) Too many fucking shitty games cluttering people's time around (back then you had Q3, UT, CS, and that was pretty much it, now there's millions of shitty games out there so people don't put enough time to develop proper teams)

Get with the times, play rocket league. Stop fantasizing shooters becoming worthy like quake, they won’t. Mechanical heavy skills in shooters arent in at the moment.

"Get a lobotomy it's 2k18!"

Playing with raging kids that randomly refuse to play because they're not winning <3

Why would you play with randoms on your team?

Because that's the only option I have.

Competitive isn’t usually all that bad in fact the game is filled with players who have a sportsmanship like mentality. I’d also recommend solo 1v1 to work on your game mechanics if you have no teamies. It’s not the greatest mode for fun but it forces improvement in your game.

Rl is not quake but it at least touches base on heavy game mechanics and predicting enemy moves.

Last week I've hit Champion I for the first time.
I noticed two things:
1. Even there everyone is a complete shitter just like me :D
2. I have more nice matches. The only problem is turbo tryhards who aren't better but lose their shit as soon as anything goes wrong.

1v1 is pure cancer :D

I’m not even close to champion 1.

Stay strong, man...

I've hit champ I a couple of times too but I'm still firmly stuck at diamond 3 but I can deffo confirm your 1) :)

I also always play alone in standard with randoms and the raging children can drive you nuts...they will callvote to forfeit because you accidentally bumped into them once while still leading 1 - 0

A streak of bad luck with shitty teammates can ruin your chances of ranking up so much :/

I think some countries are literally filled with moronic assholes (I will refrain myself from naming them) but I shouldn't discriminate and just accept that everyone is a cunt ;)

This fckin game...

Lmfao

Last year when I tried playing ranking games, it felt like I'm stuck in Diamond 3 no matter what I do or don't.

Last turbo retard was typical french guy...
30 seconds in we got dunked on, really nice goal though.
After that he shot at our goal and started trying to use english to say we're getting banned for throwing the game.
5 minutes of this absolute autismo <3

hahaha France is actually the number 1 country I wanted to name :D

and ye their english level is always so poor they will just pathetically spam the 3 words they know

the other super tilting ones are Turkey (braindead ball chasers) and Saudi Arabia at night, although I havent encountered that many lately...maybe they pollute another server now
Germany also has tons of raging shit kids but then they have so many players overall too

this game combined with the access to steam profiles will eventually make you racist imo

ps : what exactly do you mean by "turbo" ?

pps : l2p :D

this game combined with the access to steam profiles will eventually make you racist imo

xD it's called race realism or something ;`D

Turbo retard is high level, experienced retard :)

pps : l2p :D

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