Welcome to the hall of shame.

Anyone who doesn't vote for Xhep's quote is a fraud.

I don't want xhep to win anything ever...
So my vote goes to zoot.

Besides I like yakumo... he's actually a decent person unlike the others

And he's not entirely wrong about the QL netcode either. :D

well I've made myself clear about the QL netcode... But in all fairness compared to how QC solves netcode issues it almost seems like QL is perfect in that regard.

Yeah, way too much rewind in QC, but that's what you get with client-siding the hit detection. Even before that, the BR went up to like 250ms. At least QL was capped at 80ms.

when they went for clientside hitdetection it kinda gave me validation of their dev team being complete morons...
Especially when they said that other games also use it as an argument in favor of it, which is false both factual as well as logical. (aka why should you jump off of a bridge if other game developers do so? + It's simply not the case that games use clientside hitdetection)

Haha :D

I think they're just trying to offload work onto the client so there is less load on the servers. The server doesn't have to simulate all the details of the animation. It's pretty clear that even with this measure their servers choke a lot.

But in a game with high movement speed, practically unlimited rewind is not really appropriate IMO.

https://clips.twitch.tv/BillowingSillyHeronNomNom

afaik the main reason why they went clientside is because they couldn't solve the bug of the 0dmg rockets... Which they 'promised to solve' on short term -> they panicked and went full retard.

Haha maybe it was that! :D

hmm it's almost like a recent ctf bug is related

Doubt it. :P

Like I said in my first post on the subject, that would be bizarre... and also really dumb and unnecessary.

But if you see the link I later posted, you will see the flag carrier said he dropped two flags when he was killed, so it's probably related to that.

i did see it, and it was a very good thought, and i spent some time contemplating the entire conversation. thanks for not abandoning it right away and for giving some thoughtful responses.

i owe you an apology, too. when i was saying "you're wrong" so arrogantly, i was fixed on a preconceived notion and was conversing unnecessarily combatitively.

Ah it's all good. Never mind about it. : )

i voted for brexit because I preferred how it sounds

LMAO@the context

i actually dont know anyone besides zoot here so ill vote for xhep cause he seems like a fking dick and i dont even know him. i dont like his name. fuck his name. fuck quake champions. fuck you all. i'm done.

Almost everyone is aware that QC is not a good game and it is embarrassing to the legacy of Quake. But at the same time, this news post seems tasteless. The game will be dead soon enough - almost certainly sometime this year. Just let it die quietly and save shill bashing for the forums, imo

Hi Zoot - must feel good to finally say what you really think ;)

4 player tournament? lel ded gaem.

This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear, really delighted about this.

gl to all 4 players

Zoot is the clear favorite in my opinion. He's been in top form ever since the game came out almost 2 years ago. At the moment he might even be as good as he was back in 2014 when he defended loadouts update like a champ. He clearly understand the meta better than anyone else. Although I'm happy to see some new blood in the game, I don't think Jason Kaplan and Xhep stand much of a chance against the duo from UK.

I hope to see some oldschool players like makaveli and zero4 back in the game soon.

Those two names are good, but too known. If we want some fresh blood in these tournaments, we should look into audience members aswell. Even here on esr we have some local talents.

Makaveli not making it is a disappointment. I'd say he's a top 3.

One clear winner in my book. Xhep. What a great hobbit he is!

why isn't Tayski nominated ?

He's an elite prospect, but still a prospect. Will probably be #1 pick at this year's draft.

This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear, really delighted about this.


He wanted to nominate me but couldn't find a quote of me shilling for QC, because there simply isn't any.

I'm neither in the QC shill camp or the haters' camp, I know it's confusing for a lot of you who can only think black and white.

But thank you for your support and encouragement nonetheless, really delighted about this.

That's not entirely true.

I was most entertained with the quotes put above, that's all there is to it.

I hate yakumo for his shilling but I must say he has done some good work over the years for helping people with config and settings issues in both ql and qc forums. Unfortunately he pretended to turn a blind eye to qc's general failure at being a quake game or even a decent game in general.

I oppose strongly to characterizing Yakumo as a community manager.

I used to be a community moderator on the QL forums (alongside Yakumo) and when you get a forum badge, people kind of expect you to have some super insider knowledge or something, which we never had.

And let me tell you, it's a burden. You just want to help organizing the threads and explaining people's mistakes, so the real issues get better visibility. But they just call you a shill for presenting facts.

I still get that when explaining QC's match making (which works awesome until some fucker quits). To me, people not understanding what causes their issues just adds noise to the forums. Noise drowns signals, and we get the real community managers talking for hours about non-issues while the rotting core of the game is left untouched.

And the quote that got the poor Yakumo his nomination is factual... QL's hit detection was just as wonky as QC's, but back then everyone was warping, so yeah, even QC is an improvement :D I mean, it has exactly same characteristics, but people don't exploit them as often.

There's added idiocy of having hit model with holes between legs and under arms, and whether you hit or miss depends on which frame of animation is playing... OK, maybe they objectively cancel out :) But I'm hating on warpers since 2009 so don't take that from me, QL was more frustrating! :)

So, are there any actual quotes where he says QC is great?

for isolating issues your above post is kind of mixing a lot of things up....
In general the initial hit detection itself was godlike in QC (better than QL's) as it actually followed the model.... They broke that when they wanted to be able to scale / pad the models hitbox without changing the model. (at which point they altered the hit-detection)
The warping in QL was due to a design flaw in the netcode that put most the negative effects of the warp unto the other players on the server. Which in turn lead to a shitton of people at higher levels warping significantly ingame.
The netcode in QC basically put all negative effects of all pings unto the others on the server which leads to a desynced mess that plays like hell.

The warping in QL was due to a design flaw in the netcode that put most the negative effects of the warp unto the other players on the server. Which in turn lead to a shitton of people at higher levels warping significantly ingame.
The netcode in QC basically put all negative effects of all pings unto the others on the server which leads to a desynced mess that plays like hell.

I think you hit the nail on the head there.

> In general the initial hit detection itself was godlike in QC (better than QL's) as it actually followed the model.... They broke that when they wanted to be able to scale / pad the models hitbox without changing the model. (at which point they altered the hit-detection)

The only people who understand this are you and maybe the guy who wrote the code. His manager understands none of it because all he cares about is pushing more hats to the store to get his quarterly bonus.

Thanks for the effort, best News in long time :)

If this post isn't going straight into HOF I don't know if any post ever will again.

Surely you mean HOS?

The sombra thread is still not in it.

anyone gonna be streaming this?

Petition for Disrepute and vor to cover this tournament!

:'D

I'll watch!

:'DDd

<3

From all those people Xhep is the by far (and I mean by very far) the biggest moron. Guy is so wrong in so many ways it's indescribable. So for me it's Xhep, He has everything you want what makes people hate you, arrogant, hypocrite, stupid, 'know all', unfriendly, narcissist, bipolar, lazy awful guy.

Howitzer: What irritates me is that those 'LG COME TOP' vets are whining because the Quake they don't like is doing well. So they all gather here on the Quake Champions forum (reminder the game they hate so much) and start their salty vet rants.

tbh lg come top veterinarians are a special kind of annoying.

bridge

free Camembert at upper courtyard

lg nerf was the downfall of ql

Icon checks out.

ouch gg

the lol is in the idea that QC is doing well.

He's not that stupid, he knows stuff: I remember he told chat that Trump is a puppet.

It takes one to know one, right? :)

Love it :D

10/10 thread

This thread should go straight down the toilet again from where it came from.
Disgusting!

Suck it up buttercup

gtv?

Indeed. Loved zoom damage in April 17

EXPOSED

Interesting :D

Come on how is zoot's quote losing to jjkaplan's

https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingLuckyDadKappaClaus

Zoot furiously voting :)

First semi final got a sudden 100+ vote bump compared to the second semifinal: currently there are 370 votes on first poll and 241 on second. I would imagine that 95% of the people voting would vote on both polls so these numbers should be much closer. Before the bump zoot was leading with something like 80%. Someone really hates kaplan or really loves zoot.

In b4 Zoot's keyboard got stuck behind his desk.

someone?

There's already attempts to discredit me by Zoot fanboys. I suspect it's only going to get worse.

The bump timing probably matches that post's timing and seeing something being dug out from almost 2 years ago shows there was some larger operation going on.

Zootler bots coming out of their caves.

The z00tening...

ghastly zootening

kaplan is an obnoxious and unfunny retard, but this isn't what this tournament is about innit

Finally something brexit is a favorite to win.

I want to add more ppl. SMM guys from Saber

Andrey Alexanichev "QC doesn't lag even on medium computers"

Artem Flamesoff "No need for grenades in QC. If you want to spam RG area from GL position on ZTN, take Tribolt, stand on edge and spam RG"

Save it for the King of the Shill competition that's coming right after this one.

omg guys yakumo is loosing that's might be crucial for him, i mean he is loosing in ql 24/7 and he is loosing in qc 24/7, let him fucking win here at least. i mean yea he is proven retard and this win change nothing, but come on be fucking you know like merciful or something.

I didnt know who Xhep was but now I know who to insult when im bored (on his stream) ^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZruLp_2VA0

TURBOFOLK STRONG

There's twitch streamers like sib that should of been in this, since he originally shilled over QC's duel format and bashed QL and past Quakes before that on reddit calling them shitty and obsolete.

Here's this:

[–]sib2 -3 points 5 days ago
I'd say don't buy / play Quake Live if you want a "proper classic Quake experience" you get that from Quake Champions, buy ANY of the Quake Champions buy options and you'll be fine. Its a great game, it has all of the mechanics from previous Quakes, plus more mechanics, more complexity, more interesting aspects to figure out. Play Quake Champions.

never heard of guy until you mentioned him now.

haha wow....

I'm not surprised one bit that he's mentioned in this thread though. I remember reading his QC review, which is just one big joke.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Siberus/recommended/611500/

"it feels more like Quake 3 than any other version".... really now... feels more like Quake 3 than Quake Live does? It's like he's trying to pretend that QL doesn't even exist, just like how I bet id software/bethesda would love if people forgot QL existed and all moved onto QC. Anyways, an obvious shill.

Yeah

lmao

That could compete in the second awards thread :P

Personally I wrote one of the most popular negative reviews of QC haha, and also one of the most popular positive reviews of QL and which is about trashing QC. Don't care if they flew me to Sweden, I can't recommend QC to 99% of people in the state it still is. There's so many much better popular games today and I think anyone honest here knows QL is better than QC.

Last night I had a dream I was at a QC tournament, something like Gamescom.

During a match, Doomguy uses his ability, which causes his fist to change into a classic red boxing glove, and he starts repeatedly punching Galena, whose new skin turned her into a mattress.

Immediately the crowd (mostly ESR folk) goes into uproar and starts yelling at the devs there that they're trying too hard to make the game like Fortnite. I decide to go backstage and find four interns at a narrow desk putting together a last-minute patch.

I give them a stern talking to and go back into the crowd where I sit with two cool bald-headed Quake dudes who happen to be twins. They kept eating and wouldn't stop laughing at the game.

Woke up and realized reality wasn't much different.

Calling it; Zoot vs Xhep finals, Zoot wins convincingly.

cant wait for bo1 finals

you forgot to mention zoot's successful "fpspulse" project, which was designed as a replacement for esreality. he even hijacked a planned bst/esreality tournament after the tournament was planned in-depth in the esr admin forums. do you guys remember zoot's fpspulse bst tournament? neither do i!

He also got pissed at Noctis for making plusforward. IIRC he wanted in on it, but noctis refused, so he made the WordPress shit site which failed hilariously. Its where his beef with him comes from, later it developed into the famous "integrity" drama

pls elaborate on the integrity drama, i'm curious

http://www.esreality.com/post/2765106/zoot-in...z-l33gend/

Also lets not forget how he dealt with Fear, the only decent caster his channel ever had.

Or how Sphuld ran Zlive for over a year with Zoot being absent, but still keeping all the twitch subscriptions money to himself. Then when QC came out he took the smooth running and active channel back to run it alone and kickstart his comeback. Shameless fucker

Guess that with Quake likely dying this year then 2019 will be the last time we'll hear about him frequently and about many others that are clearly in this mostly for the money and not mostly for the hobby. Nothing negative about that -we all do something for money-, but just saying to finally lets be honest here because this thread is yet another proof of zoot being a sellout. It's too many instances already to think differently.

On that note, lots of the so called loyal streamers stopped playing altogether after the removal of fake viewership by people idling to get lootboxes. It's their choice of course and nothing wrong with that either, but just saying that now that QC isn't thriving is that we'll see who is here because they actually like Quake. Hopefully that loyalty is rewarded in the future by viewers if this subgenre ever has a popular game one day, as in choosing the loyal ones as casters and as favorite players, over those that are mercenaries.

For example makaveli used to cast events even when he could have been making way more money elsewhere, 2gd is a former caster who is making Quake Reborn (Diabotical) as a way to save the genre and he doesn't really need the money because he's a trust fund kid. clawz is streaming QL very much frequently and getting $0 for that while most of the top players who used to stream just stopped altogether, rapha tox and winz have been fantastic to me and others by helping no-namers enjoy their hobby more, and xhep might have a quote here but he is streaming every day despite having lost the majority of his viewerbase. While that happens jkaplan doesn't care about Quake to the point that after more than a year casting he finally learned that shaft = lightning gun, so for him this is just another gig. Or while ddk streams Reflex for 20 guys and does giveaways of quite nice products he could be selling, I don't recall zoot ever streaming something niche that would have 20 viewers nor doing a decent giveaway nor sponsoring a tournament for example, as a way of supporting the community rather than trying to kill it like he tried with FPSpulse.

And this is not me being a hater: it's just acknowledging that actions speak louder than words. And funnily enough his words do condemn him too haha.

Lastly, want to prove me wrong? Do something for Quake. Stream more Quake rather than now streaming more R6 like you do today, stream niche Arena FPS games like Jehar does because it means the world to those players, finally sponsor a tournament or do a decent giveaway, and don't pay your casters again with "exposure" like you used to during the QL days. At least give Quake back 0.1% of what it has given to you, like makaveli does by being a sub of pretty much every Quaker. Those action are what matters the most, not words, so a long winded post won't shut me up but seeing you stream every day would make me eat my words. So far your actions are that this is the first time since you've casting that Quake is properly dying for streamers, and you left immediately. And if you want to make real money go work for a bank; anyone can do M&A seller-side and earn way more than a Quake caster.

The DFWC streams must have gotten him lots of pesos too ye. The Prague tdm lan must have been a big bonus? Adroits? Big paycheck. etc.

So we can agree he became a sellout like 6 years ago? Because that's what you are quoting.

And again nothing wrong with that: I just want people to acknowledge this. And if he wants to do something about it instead of being a sellout then try to revive the game it pays his bills rather than running at the very first sight of trouble.

gj vidje, tell em

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Oh shit, forgot about Xhep and wanted to write "That dude with the Dutch/Australian mix flag? But I thought he was cool, but turns out I had him mixed up with zkyp. I don't know who Xhep is, but is that a bad thing?
Same for Jason Kaplan, but him asking while casting a LAN "what is a shaft anyway???" speaks volumes for itself...

The story sucks. First of all, it looks really bad on you to tell such private things in public. Second of all, did zoot even know you knocked because of the shoes? Maybe he thought you are just trolling him. You paint a black and white picture, but Im fairly certain there was a mutual dynamic behind that.

Also lmao @ bragging about maths knowledge by saying you are good at C++.

"First of all, it looks really bad on you to tell such private things in public."

It's just that kind of thread dude. Might as well shitpost it into oblivion, now.

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Judging by the lack of punctuation and grammar you should consider to calm down, you idiotic gossiping little bitch.

Im banned on zlive since 5years+ so its not that. You told a story and I gave a reaction to it.

You can insult me all you want, you self-diagnosed proud asperger patient, but you came on a forum to talk shit about a guy you lived with because, in your words, he mocked somebody for writing a bad review for QC.

Meanwhile you paint a very colorful picture of zoot, youtry your best to make him look pathetic as fuck for ignoring his flatmates/friends for his "carreer" for "80 viewers". Thats not really proportional.

So in conclusion, maybe you can explain us what exactly hurt you so much about zoot? Or maybe thats just how you converse, being a meme-y guy who needs to vent hard on the internet?

ZOOT VS XHEP GRAND FINALS

xhep vs zoot: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/364828915?t=01h22m01s

Damn after that he destroyed zoot for minutes on end, especially from 1:26:00 to 1:29:00. Better than the bible I wrote here.

So he's mad at zoot for not shilling hard enough? lmao

ahaha

shills eating their own

1:27:08
ZLive:Is this like a jealous girlfriend type thing? this is hilarious

1:27:34
ZLive:I've been streaming Quake for 8 years and working with it for 11 years. Where have you been?

Xhep is calling him out on not streaming quake enough and going for R6 instead lol

and he calls him motherfucker and idiot in the meantime while zoot at least tries to keep this conversation friendly

I actually spend that 20 min to watch this and this guy is fucking insane man! out of arguments he just replies to zoot to fuck off and get out of his chat, zoot wisely does that and then xhep replies 'see you next event we will see if u give me a hand' :DDD like wtf man you just said to him to fuck off

Basically Xhep's point is that Zoot should stream quake everyday especially now when its at a bad state but he stream R6 instead and because of that he's motherfucking stupid and doesn't deserve to be #1 quake community streamer.

Then when his chat says to calm down and stop be a fucking looser he says them to go play R6 with zoot like really, how is this guy having any viewers sitting there with that stupid quake cap playing only one game for every day.

While Xhep did ramble on quite a bit, I think he has one solid point which is about the timing of the whole thing. Let me summarize his argument better than he did (yes I watched like 20 minutes of that drama).

1. He started saying that zoot is the biggest community streamer, that he has been heavily supported by the Quake community, that he gets a salary from Bethesda, and that when Quake started dying for streamers after the December patch what zoot decided to do was to leave the project. He said zoot can do that if he wants to but that there's a morality issue at hand: zoot arrived at Quake's streaming peak, promotes himself as a pro-Quake guy and as a pro-community guy, but then left the second things went downhill. As such, is he really?

2. He continued saying zoot's decision to leave at the lowest period has a direct effect on Quake's chances of future success. After all he is the face of Quake and by leaving Quake at this moment he is projecting the image of Quake standing no chances for the future. In other words, zoot decided to leave Quake at the precise moment it affects it the most, after all Quake has given to him, which he can in fact do but at this moment that decision contributes to killing the game.

3. Lastly, regarding streaming R6 in particular, the issue at hand is that zoot isn't just going to another game he likes, in order to pay his bills while also doing something he enjoys, but that he went into a game where he wasn't a known player at all before. Before December he had not streamed playing R6 once, and as far I as know he hasn't been in any team, isn't even known for having a noteworthy ladder ranking and overall did nothing before regarding R6. And so what zoot's actions imply is that he is not a streamer by passion but that he is in it for the money, because first he left Quake once it stopped being as profitable as before, and second he left to a game he has no clue about.

And if I might add some things other than paraphrasing Xhep, all still related to his point, those would be that:

1. I think both of them are frustrated by the current situation, so there's not bad blood with each other. After all both of them make a living out of Quake and likely both will have to leave to a real job.

2. Other Quake casters that have moved onto other games did so to games they were known to have ample experience on before making the move, or were always clear on their intention of being a professional caster of many games. DDK was always a solid CS player, to the point that with some deliberate practice he could start competing at events. Joe and Tosspot always wanted to take this thing on a professional level that would allow them to make a living for the rest of their lives, which means not being focused into one game. So I'm going to ask: what's zoot's R6's ranking? I play R6 so I know that below Platinum 3 no one knows how to play, and that's coming from myself playing in the region where the world champions play (the equivalent of Quake's EU is R6's SA). Because it's a somewhat easy ranking to reach having less than that means you don't even know the maps and don't have even playing experience with all the characters, meaning having less than that shows you don't really care about the game but that you hop on games for the money and not for the passion. At least be honest about that.

3. Where are the other so-called community guys that appeared at the Quakecon stream? This is not only about zoot -he's just the face of the issue-, but about all of the so called community guys jumping ship. I only see Xhep and NyxGirlPower streaming every day, and all the rest just vanished. They promoted themselves as something they were not, sucked Quake's blood (free trip to Quakecon!) and left. I don't really watch much QC at all but it would be nice if someone could make a list of the hypocritical assholes that were on that stream and that left after December patch. I might be a bit dreamy about the matter since I take this as a hobby and not a job, but I would rather see the community and the developers rewarding people that actually show they care about Quake, rather than those that come and go whenever there's money to be earned and trick people into thinking they actually stream because they like this when in fact they don't. Or at least I would like them to be seen as how they really are: for example there's nothing wrong with being a player that hops on to games to win money as his job like cooller does, and what I like is that cooller is honest and tells the truth about why he plays, instead of tricking people into thinking otherwise like all the so-called community guys. They said they liked Quake, whereas what they actually liked was the money and the free trips, other than the two names listed above. And BTW cooller has stayed in Quake for like 20 years so he shows he really likes Quake, all the while 90% of the "community guys" only started playing when QC gained some streaming traction and left after like one year, with the poster boy of that being JKaplan.

4. And to be totally clear, I know it's their current job to stream and that it's best to not close your job opportunities. But if you are leaving Quake at the point it needs you then don't call yourself a community guy, and if you think you are then be it otherwise you are not. That's all.

edit: zoot is streaming QC right now, making it two days in a row after many months without doing that. Fantastic, that's the change I want to see from someone that says supports Quake and has the tools to do so. And even better, tox has been streaming Quake way more frequently than zoot and so I am glad right now tox is getting way more viewers than zoot does, because both deserve it.

My causcasian xron only typed two lines during this shill fight

but were good lines

xron, you can come do some lines with me anytime son

p.s. bring only your most beautiful camels

I've been supporting Zoot for a v. long time but his 3rd reich attitude towards people giving their opinion on the game has been pissing me off lately

However, I "knew" (aka played on same servers) Xhep from the QL (and possibly Q3) days but I had no idea he was such a nutjob and this video is just wtf

I dont care that he's potentially mentally challenged, he gets my vote !

Do any of these people fit the definition of a shill though? :D

I see this word being used to mean:

(1) someone promoting the game in any way;

(2) someone promoting the game because of something other than a genuine love of the game;

(3) the true meaning: someone promoting the game because of an undisclosed connection to the developer while pretending to have no such connection.

I'd say most of these guys do have the true love of the game, except maybe Kaplan.

BIG

First time ever hearing or seeing anything from xhep. Kinda wish I hadn't. >_<

Zoot

this thread evolved to a total shit show as expected

and I love it

and the haters said ESR was dead

esr will never die

brandan will die but esr will live on

It is slowley dying :(

and i'm in great health

nvc has not plussed this thread... just making that known....

Ziggy got that empathy

I've provided enough constructive criticism on QC that I'll likely never get hired for anything Quake despite my history. That, and I was extremely vocal to talent managers on who I would and wouldn't commentate with pre: QC World Championship... so I pretty much screwed myself over. As a result I don't blame people for "shilling", since I'm living proof that not doing so is a bad move!

D:

well then you thin fucker, you have my respect

2GD's gonna hire you anyway.. cus he sure as hell ain't gonna hire zotoshill

if you take away the 'constructive' word for me then we're pretty much the same ;)

Leaked footage of Weird talking with Id employees:

ID hasn't tried to contact me.

Love dat honesty, man

bethesda and ID fucked so bad with the game even community members fight with each other over actually nothing or we even hate to see people supporting the game (being a shill or not). That is how sad it is but it is also normal since the game sucks ass and made a lot of people frustrated.


and you know what, drama has only started with diabotical around the corner so have popcorn ready for the 2019 quake shitstorm.

My 2 shards:

- Picking on people like Xhep is lame, hes seems almost mentally ill.

- Zoot is a a real human bean with good and bad sides. His streaming achievments count for a lot. His passion for Quake is genuine. He streamed a lot, from Zotacs to Defrag tournaments.

- Kaplan is a weird guy who has no connection to Quake and only shows up for the big LANs, he deserves the shit.

- Yakumo seems a little autistic but after all, it doesnt seem like he did anything grave.

I pick Kaplan! He shall be shamed https://youtu.be/yy4CN9DVPII

Bonus shame for esdf who will never stopto be an autistic instigating antagonist and will forever run his mouth about other people.

i don't think zoot has passion for quake, i think zoot is more like a toy dictator who has a passion for positioning himself to have "power" in niche communities. the game doesn't matter so much as the opportunity for establishing himself. that's why he's willing to support bad decisions for the quake gameplay (even back in ql days).

Oops, accidentally plussed you.

Yea, good for you, you shared your opinion with us that contradicts mine. Next time, try to add arguments to your opinion, that could help understanding your sentiment.

i'm not arguing, i'm just sharing an opinion that's different from yours. not every conversation is an argument, jerk.

"i'm just sharing an opinion that's different from yours"

In a reply to me.

"not every conversation is an argument, jerk. "

I asked you to add reasons to your opinion because you replied to me. Apparently that raises the bar too high for you tho.

so what if it's a reply to you? you said something and i'm replying to it with my personal thoughts. it happens every day on the web.

I asked you to add reasons to your opinion because you replied to me.

that's not what happened. you said, very antagonistically (and rudely, imo), and even including the addition of condescending instruction in the form of a dictate: Next time, try to add arguments to your opinion, that could help understanding your sentiment.

if you're interested in understanding, you're welcome to ask me with some level of mutual respect. if you do so, then i will reward you with more thoughtful input, as it will show that you're willing to sacrifice some small sliver from the juicy fruit that is the delight of your inspiring character.

You call me condescending and rude, you talk about respect, yet the comment that started this conversation begins with you calling Zoot a megalomanic toy dictator.

One could theoretize that it was your desire for antagonism that let you act so openly hypocritical.

And I'm not even gonna mention this notion of yours that its impolite of me to demand reasons after you chimed in and denied what I just said. Yet you call me an antagonist. Thats some juicy irony.

Anyway, hows it been, Anonymo... ehh I mean Anatagoni... ehhh ... Brendan?

i didn't call you condescending and rude, i described your behavior in response to me as antagonistic, rude, and condescending. i didn't call zoot a "megalomanic".

One could theoretize that it was your desire for antagonism that let you act so openly hypocritical.

one could theorize anything.

And I'm not even gonna mention this notion of yours that its impolite of me to demand reasons after you chimed in and denied what I just said. Yet you call me an antagonist. Thats some juicy irony.

i haven't said anything about it being impolite to demand reasons.

I don't run my mouth about other people. They run their mouth on their own and then somehow are offended because they're ridiculed for it at times.

Anyway, this thread is lighthearted fun, your fault for taking it personally.

i thought is was "just talk to Vid and if you can't handle this, get out of the nuclear reactor", but as older we get, the less amusing your Bosnian faggotry is.... this thread is nice and a great concept, but you're still nto an men.

Makie = MEN
AHXNXA = MEN
Lvl^Trance - MEN
even g0d-trit0 = MORE MEN THAN YOU


Vid, make as many threads and "TOURNAMENTS" as you want about dumb camwhores for idiot dead games as you want but you will never be an men, you will never be like Makie. Because Makie = MEN. and you will never be.

that sand in your vagina must tickle a lot.

Is just common observation bratje, if you were an men you'd understand that straight away.

Well, they run their mouths on matters and topics, while you run your mouth on them. You are into gossip. Shady is right, maybe you should consider a hormone treatment.

And anyway, Im not saying you are wrong, but theres more to this than "lighthearted fun". You can call it satire, and sure, it is, but it doesnt matter the thing you do, essentially: Talking shit about others, to others.

Maybe there's more to this than just fun for you, but for me this is all there is to it.

Threw you a bone, bicker over it. Laters.

Yea, I get you. And believe me, I see the fun you created by making this thread..

You deserve the mocking tho. You seem to do this stuff a lot (putting the spotlight on certain people), so I thought its only fair to put the spotlight on you too. You dealt pretty well with it, unfortunately.

"the thing you do, essentially: Talking shit about others, to others" hmm, it reminds me of someone. You feel the irony?

i h8 fat people

it's just a game why you have to be mad :(

Because is funny

Im banned on zlive since 5years+ so its not that. You told a story and I gave a reaction to it.

You can insult me all you want, you self-diagnosed proud asperger patient, but you came on a forum to talk shit about a guy you lived with because, in your words, he mocked somebody for writing a bad review for QC.

Meanwhile you paint a very colorful picture of zoot, youtry your best to make him look pathetic as fuck for ignoring his flatmates/friends for his "carreer" for "80 viewers". Thats not really proportional.

So in conclusion, maybe you can explain us what exactly hurt you so much about zoot? Or maybe thats just how you converse, being a meme-y guy who needs to vent hard on the internet?

Wait, so you saw a facetious thread and got morally offended on the behalf of a person you don't personally know, and from whose stream you've been banned 5+ years ago? Is this what they mean by "outrage culture"?

brackets update when

This is the tournament organisation quality that Quake deserves.

Scheduled for March, polishing and refining the tournament at the moment. I know this is EXACTLY what you wanted to hear and that you're really delighted about this.

It's all about understanding the meta.

Zoot! Good personality, has done a lot for the Quake Champions community.

Yakumo = Japanese wannabe faggot. Helped people with configs but shilled for Saber

Xhep = Fat whiny bitch that hasn't done much but being a whiny little pussy.

Kaplan = Filthy Jew, shitty personality, not funny at all.

hi zoot

30+ year old bachelor virgins yanking their chain at each other

this is the esreality i was missing <3

hi zoot

only chain we're yanking is yours zoot

How is this shit thread in compliance with ESR's posting guidelines?
The sole purpose of this thread is calling out people, but instead of getting nuked this thread lands on the front page.

And as much of a retard Yakumo somtimes is (advocating for elo/glicko-tracking and average based teamshuffles), he also did a lot of good stuff (cfg guide, etc.) out of pure love for the game.
On top of that, his quoted statement is actually 100% true, which esdf the 3rd-world-wifi-warping-nudger will never understand.

Okay, enough Whiteknighting for today, I pick Zoot, he defended QL's gay 6-dmg-lg-nerf and the loadout and later ability concept, let us burn him alive.

How can you be against such a colorful read. Best edition of esreality magazine for quite a long time.

Eat shit, murican subhuman.

And so you have chosen the low road.

Murican morons aren't in the position to judge other people.
Low road? Just stating facts while it isn't my fault that murican subhumans in their natural habitat are shit-eaters:

You’re odd.

Murican morons aren't in the position to judge other people.

Which part you excrement-nibbler didn't understand?

You’re boring.

And you are obviously retarded, you seriously still don't understand it.

It is nice to hear, that I am so boring, that you can't stop talking to me; I must be the center of your life.

And no, even when you are hungry, you aren't allowed to massage my asshole with your tongue, sorry I am not into that, you little butt-cream-gourmet.

What a lot of effort for a bad troll. Zzz

He got pushed away and was already gone, but then his murican subhuman instincts brought him back for his daily poop meal:

this "sync-errors" guy also seems like he's a bit of a shill:

http://i.imgur.com/1LnxNUt.png

lmao, no one is even paying attention to him anymore.

Syncerror the destroyer of quakes!

This week at work has been amazing

How the hell did I become so jaded?

Anyone who advocates Quake Champions is a fucking shill. In fact, anyone who advocates anything other than QW or Q2 is a fucking shill.

There is no argument in this so don't even try.

QW and Q2 shill detected.

There is no argument in this so don't even try.

Yeah, no arguments except for the clear contrasts that indicate a substantial amount of skill required for QW and Q2 over other games in the series.

Nice try, Buddy!

Even if we accept that QW and Q2 require more skill, not everyone agrees that the value of a game is determined only by how much skill it takes to play. That's a subjective element.

Subjective views on whether you like a game or not doesn't give it credibility.

Anything post-Q2 was peddled on the illusion that they were more competitive and demanding; therefore, to advocate these games makes you a shill because it's based on false pretense.

Your view that the skill requirement of a game determines its value (and therefore its worthiness of support and promotion) is also subjective.

You are also using the word "shill" incorrectly. If you're promoting a game because you like it (and not because you're buddies with the developer), regardless of your reasons for liking it, you cannot be a shill.

Despite the fact that it destroys a once credible and respected series?

I think you need to read this article again and then realise that I'm pointing out that this has been going on a lot longer than QC.

It's always sad when good things die, but I really don't know what you expect to do about it other than play and promote the game you like. It still does not make anyone a shill.

People will like what they will like. There's too much money in gaming for people to play the old games like they just came out yesterday, and people just have a tendency to get more excited about new things than old things.

They could have made the newer Quakes to preserve the type of skill you prefer, and then instead of Quake killing your Quake, it would be some other games doing it.

Ya keep living in the past you fucking loser. One day you'll move out of your parents house and make something of your pathetic existence.

The idea of games and their respective skill levels in general has been iffy to me lately tbh. We all for years (on this site) thought of Quake and arena shooters as the ultimate skill shooters, but were we just fooled by a high skill floor (harder to get into for newbs) while the skill ceiling was similar or the same as other shooters with more active communities? Does a more active community lead to more competition increase the skill level of that game, in which case the Quakes would be relatively low compared to the intense competition of the Starcrafts and CS over the years?

Just something I've been thinking about lately as I watch some of the best Quake players playing other games on Twitch and noting that they are not savagely tearing shit up there like Quake players have been pumped up to be, but mostly just above average players like you would realistically expect. Cypher playing Fortnite, Dahang in OW, Cooller in pubg and Apex, etc.

The relationship between the size of the talent pool and the highest skill level of the game is interesting. It also depends on how many players in that pool play the game at the highest level of seriousness. Having a million players won't do much for your highest skill level if they're all casual players. But of course, every game has its serious players. (I think Koreans are very good at SC because their culture allows them to take the game very seriously.)

I would say if you double the number of serious players, you only double the number of players existing at any particular skill level; you don't double the highest skill in that group.

So if we doubled the serious Quaker population, we'd have two raphas (to use him only as an example) in it instead of just one, but we would not have someone double rapha's skill.

However, maybe there is a super-rapha level that just does not exist in the Quake community, and doubling the size of that player pool could make one of those emerge. Furthermore, many raphas fighting each other could make those raphas learn better ways of exploiting the game sooner.

There is also the fact that human beings are inherently limited, and it doesn't matter how many runners compete, no one is going to run the 100 metres in 5 seconds, so there are limits to what increasing the size of the talent pool can do for the skill level in a game.

I would guess highest skill level grows logarithmically (up to some cap) with increases in the size of the serious player population.

You are right that more players does not actually mean higher skill level.
On one side skill level depends from game, any game has some skill level cap, upper limit.
It does not mean that you cannot continually develop and evovle, but the game has its limits, for instance a player 2 times better than rapha, still won't be able to rape rapha 40-0 in a 10 mins duel, due to game and map limitations.

In some other game with skill difference it is possible.

And about the highest skill level, it depends from the training people do, and their ability to evolve.

Most quakers never actually train, they just play game.

How many players are there that excel at more than one type of game?

Ninja is god at fortnite, he won some stuff in Halo 2/3/4/Reach and Pubg, I dont know if he was considered among the best players in those games but clearly he was a top player. This is impressive because he's good at both controller and keyboard/mouse. All FPS

Shroud was CSGO and now pubg, fortnite, apex legends. All FPS

Cooller has his OW trophy. Top player though, not sure. All FPS

Winz pro across AFPS and OW. All FPS

Stermy AFPS and Fifa. Multi-genre

Fat was ranked #1 in pubg singles for a bit. I can't find the stats anymore but he was up there a few times. All FPS

CZM is a pro at quake and math, not a game but I think it counts. Multi-genre?

Weren't there some quake players playing WoW or WC3 at some point?

Leffen is a top player in melee, dbfz, smash5. All fighting games but very different. All fighting games.

Hax$ was a top player in melee, ranked #5 at some point, and he was ranked #1 twisted fate player in NA in league of legends. Multi-genre.

Am I missing anyone? I like these players with multiple talents.

I don't really know what my point is, I find this interesting. But as you can see, quake has its share of multi-game pros. This is despite having the lower player base. I think there's still merit in the idea of being good at a tough game like quake makes it possible to be pro in other games, but maybe not for every player. Being good at multiple games in general seems rare. Could rapha or winz beat ninja at fortnite if they tried hard enough is the real question. Could shroud or ninja beat rapha at quake? Is it possible for anyone to beat milton in QW? It would be great if quake became popular again so we could see some pros from other games try it and see how they do.

I think all the top Quake players certainly have the capability to be top players in other games, but I also think that goes both ways. The practice regimen and innate ability needed to be a top player in any decently competitive game should allow those players to transfer over. I think that is why the big streamers these days all move from one game to the next and dominate them, that's the way to show off your skill these days (and make the most money), not just grind one game for tournament winnings.

My point wasn't to say that Quake players couldn't be the top in other games but moreso that this idea of games having a skill level might have had us underestimating players for the longest time. I mean when you ask the average person who is the best PC gamer these days they aren't going to say tox or rapha or anyone but someone like Shroud, who has been really good in multiple different games.

When Quake got popular there wasn't a lot of options around, and that is basically the only circumstance that I feel a game with as high a skill 'floor' as Quake could have gotten popular. Once CS came it was basically over, as it allowed average players to jump in and have a good time without being 50 to -4 roflstomped by a player not even that much better than them in skill level.

My point was that I think for years we all misinterpreted this skill floor as the game just being more skilled in general and having a huge superiority complex over it, but where has it gotten us and the Quake series?

People would say Shroud primarily because he is a very well known Twitch streamer. That's if they're the sort of person who cares about Twitch.

Does Quake really have a high skill floor? It's easy to jump into this game and play it just so long as you're playing with other people your level. When Quake was new, I don't remember struggling to get into this game because it was new to everyone. If the skill floor is now high, that's because most of the people who play it are above a certain skill level. All the Quake games have failed terribly at keeping those people in different pools.

Skill based games that have been out for a long time are hard to get into. I doubt a new player would be overly keen at tackling SC or DOTA either.

If someone is 50 to -4 roflstomping a player, how can he be only a little higher in skill level? And if he were only a little higher in skill level, the difference could be closed quickly; with only a small amount of training, the stomped player could be an even match.

If he's playing for ages and getting roflstomped for ages, then it's clearly not a small skill difference making it happen.

A lot of more modern games try to increase their appeal by equalizing players more, and it would be the game design itself that would be the only reason a new player would ever be able to beat a player with thousands of hours under their belt.

I don't think Quake really "failed" given how long it was played, but if it did fail, I doubt anyone having a superiority complex is the reason for that. People just don't want to play games where the rewards don't come quickly and easily.

Yeah there are games that exaggerate skill differences and games that minimize them.

Perhaps first you remove one-game wonders who for some reason click with one game and aren't good at anything else.

Then maybe a pro from a game that minimizes differences but has lots of players is about equal to a player from a game that maximizes differences but has a lot less players. Sounds right to me.

It's difficult to compare skill levels across games. Sometimes it's like comparing the skill of guitar playing to the skill of car restoration.

I think the only thing we can really do is look at how long it takes in game hours for a new player to progress to a particular skill level, such as what is considered average or best or whatever.

Of course, that will vary from player to player, and some players might not be able to do it, but the range of time periods should give us a rough idea of how big the difference is between the two skill levels.

I think it absolutely has a high skill floor. In it's time it was probably normal but by today's standards that have things in place to help new players and also obfuscate their failures (large team modes, imbalance between players/classes so it's never a single person's fault etc) which makes modern games way more newbie friendly.

The reason I brought up roflstomping is because Quake is a game where slight differences in skill can lead to scores like that and discourage players, it's a higher stratification between two players than most games allow.

The idea that playing against people your level via matchmaking or something will alleviate the high skill floor issues has been proven wrong imo. Look at Starcraft 2, that game has basically perfect matchmaking but after it's initial launch hype lost all the new people quickly because people realized that even a perfect win rate of 50% and perfect skill grouping, losing 50% of the time in a 1v1 based game is still too discouraging. The same would happen in Quake if it had the player counts and systems in place to get perfect matchmaking.

And that's exactly why people consider games like Starcraft and Quake hardcore games, and people who are good at such games naturally take some pride in that. There's obviously more to be proud of in that than in a game that coddles you to ensure you never get discouraged.

Stopped reading at "no arguments except".

Is there going to be a final voting round or are zoot and xhep going to share the title of cocksuckers of the century

it's coming. need to find a way to stop zootler bots for real this time. look at the commotion they did in caster derby, zoot v kaplan. can't let that happen in grand finals.

Almost as bad as K1llsen DDoS'ing Evil.

some more shit from sib the streamer:

https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...?context=3

this guy is beyond delusional.

Also, I discovered more of this Goldmine that we call Sib's reddit profile where he shilled 100% of the time on QC's subreddit.

What he said about reddit rings true though. :D

Only partially though, and that is why hes getting hate atm.

He'll say whatever when annoyed, and act as if other people are the dicks....I think he needs a pocket pussy tbh.

Maybe, but that forum in general just smells like a big pile of whinge that helps no one, except of course the people who get their kicks out of whinging and a sense of camaraderie from having something in common with all the others hating on the same thing.

They're not doing it because they care about Quake. This is only bad for Quake. At best they are just venting and repeating what has already been said ad nauseam. Or are they holding out hope that if QC dies, QL will return to 900 players globally and they can all play CA together for another 20 years? :D

let's cut the bullshit shall we

qc has failed to become a real class based team shooter. they've failed with sacrifice, they've failed with ctf, they've failed with slipgate. they've alienated the duel, ctf, ca, and tdm communities with all of the changes they've made, and at the same time they've struggled to realize their vision of a new class based team game. as is evident by the fact that they are struggling to retain players.

even slam dunk changes like removing hour glasses from the game and nerfing the hell out of the two machine guns and two shotguns never gets done. don't even get me started on the bullshit champion that is clutch.

but i don't even see the subreddit raging about the gameplay, they are raging about performance issues, down time in between matches, the general lack of content and the lack of communication from the dev team. these are all legitimate gripes, there's literally no contentious complaint, it's all truth.

as it stands, holy trinity is the best this game has to offer. there's no bullshit machine guns, no bullshit shotguns, no bullshit tribolt, no nailgun, no abilities. you just jump in, pick a character, grab an armor and you're good to go.

but feel free to continue making posts like this, disrespecting the same people who had quake live subscription for years, bought champion packs and skins for qc, and will likely buy the 3 single player games that id software is releasing this year (doom eternal, wolfenstein youngblood, rage 2).

It's a bad game, and they are complaining about it. What's new?

So just don't play it. No one owes you anything. Repetitive whine on that forum is not improving anything. It only serves to make some people feel better.

Only the devs can improve the game. You can only provide them with the information they need to do it (a few times, not 1000 posts saying the same shit in a resentful tone that no one will listen to). Getting angry and ranting about it endlessly achieves nothing, and if it does anything at all, it will only reduce the number of people playing, which will then give those people something new to complain about: the inevitable shutting down of the game by Bethesda.

And for real feedback, there's an official forum for that. Just spending a short time on it, you can see what the Reddit forum is for.

I bought the game too, $50 here, and it's been as good as dead for at least a year due to low population. I also had two simultaneous QL pro subscriptions for years. But I don't claim to be hard done by and waste my time writing hostile tirades on Reddit. If a video game is emotionally affecting someone to that degree, maybe it is time they move on.

https://clips.twitch.tv/SoftSparklyOcelotGingerPower

oh It's been a goldmine atm :D

Exactly what I was fking talking about haha. perfect example, his whole stream was like that.Meanwhile his older posts showed he always does this, someone doesnt like something he does, he trys to belittle them :)

jesus...

yes?

Well, he did invent multiplayer deathmatch maps after all. :D

https://www.pcgamer.com/id-software-veterans-...uake-maps/

Fake news! Lying Romero and Crooked Carmack are COLLUDING to make Tim, and he is the greatest Tim the world has ever seen before, look bad because they are jealous of His great success. SAD!

Well, ESR? What will you do when Quake ends up dying? Better hand over your money.

https://clips.twitch.tv/AntsyAcceptableKittenDancingBaby

jesus

yes?

[timg1]

:pray:

did he actually say ql is dumbed down and qc isn't lmao

He likes to discredit the previous quakes. Probably because he wouldnt be able to compete

in a normal arena shooter without cheese plays and rng abilities. Also born out of fear

that if QC isn't successful, he will go from a mediocre player with a small twitch following

to a nobody. I would be sympathetic to someone in his situation but it's hard when he acts

like this.

https://www.twitch.tv/sib2/clip/CrackyCovertMoonOSkomodo

finals cancelled because sib stole the tim donuts trophy

he's only getting started

https://www.twitch.tv/sib2/clip/SoftSparklyOcelotGingerPower

jesus...

yes?

[timg1]

I declare this a three-way first place tie between zoot, xhep and sib. The definition of shill.

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/...zP9g2W.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289146...nknown.png

https://pastebin.com/XYCKCwcY

It's just obvious he is getting paid by Bethesda.

V. Suspect - worth looking into if any such tool exists

https://clips.twitch.tv/CovertPopularRadicchioKippa

https://clips.twitch.tv/PuzzledRelentlessLorisKreygasm

962 playing 35 min ago

This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear, really delighted about this.

Some more Yakumo gold:

"This discounts concrete proof that we have that the game is still being worked on. The PTS updates have been continuing to polish things up but also bring more settings, and perhaps the most telling, is the most recent one brings several new voice lines for pain sounds for every character, that requires studio time and paying the voice actors to come back for recording sessions."

Older Yakumo quote(I wonder if he still has this same sentiment):

"It is an Early Access game, and people do have a tendency to drift off for a while when expecting new updates, or some litterally only play for a few days arround update time to check progress, happy that their investment means when the game's finished that they got it for a discount too. But on the flip side some just really love it despite it being far from finished yet and have many hundreds of hours in game :)"

Yakumo and Xhep are both delusional idiots, its hard to chose, but I heard more dumb quotes from Xhep, like everybody who wins him in unholy is hacking.

Yakumo is like the energizer bunny with his never-ending shilling.

https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...c/eqxo6xf/