Why would anyone be impressed?

LOL

The game has been now out for over9000 years

Just as shit as it was on day of release

people who hate the game looking really hard into this to justify their dislike for it.

I guarantee you, even if QC was the magical embodiment of Quake that every ESR poster would praise.. the game would still be (maybe slightly less) niche and popular streamers would give it the same half-arsed attempts.

there's clear reasons why old games like CS 1.6 still have better numbers after 20 years than any Quake game EVER had in the same timeframe:
- ever since CS came out, the recipe for modern shooters was written in stone: the skill floor needs to be really low, even if it compresses the skill gaps between players and lowers the skill ceiling with it. you simply can't put that genie back in the bottle and to think otherwise you have to be delusional.

the upfront time investment and learning curve in a game like Quake is not for everybody. no amount of tutorials and well thought training maps can change this. sure there will be a slightly better player retention, but just an uptick.

- people gravitate towards popular games. most people don't go out of their way to research and put in time for something that is not the social norm. they listen/watch/play whatever is trending and has mindshare with their peers.

I agree with all of this and still would very much prefer the “even if” scenario. A real quake made for the old school fans allowing community involvement would have made for far less disgruntlement. People still shitting on qc is a result of very cruel truth - knowing absolutely nothing will be done to unfuck the damage done.

And to be very clear I doubt anyone expected or wanted quake to be extremely popular. That being said, it’s an idiotic move and a major slap to the face for Bethesda to attempt to make it popular by deliberately butchering the superior quake formula.

Oh well.

Executives knows sh*t. It was 100% going to be a failure from the beginning of the project. Dunno why they even tried to do another quake game that is not heavily toward a single player campaign so they can atleast take the money invested back (and companies generally don't do anything for money back or small profit, they chase the big one).

Not only everything said by Aquashark is totally true, but also people forget how quake 1, quake 2 and quake 3 looked for their respective time. They where AHEAD with generations vs everything else and people who had a good computer tried it just to test their raw performance. Some stick, some did not, but it bring more attention towards the game, f it - it was even in a lot of reviews as a top game to test performance.

q4 was nothing special vs the other games for it's time. ql is ql. QC is not looking good even for when it came out - tons of better looking game with more fluidity. The kids want's gfx and the previous quakes gave them that + even single player if we look at q1 and q2. It was good single player too.

RN quake is dead, I tried to play some quake live... disaster and empty servers in EU. I waited like 40m to play a single duel, CA had 1-2 servers with people and it was not that late. Few years back I had no problems to play without any delay and even pick where to join.

QC is not that much better too, the only + is that atleast the pros play it.

Just make a fun SP game where players learn the movement slowly as they progress through the game. Once players know how to move in Quake, they have a hard time going back to non-momentum based movement systems.

Your general theory is correct, but it's applied wrong.

A game like quake is easier than military shooters: no matter how new you are, you always manage to put some damage on the opponent in a mode like ffa or tdm or ctf.

While in games like CS you die the instant you enter a good player's fov, and often even before. That's why in military shooters if you're good you can often rack up 10+ killstreaks. Those are almost impossible in quake even with a power up that literally quadruples the damage output.

Military shooters are much harsher with skill discrepances, in cs and call of duty i die so much and so easily, while in quake i juggle noobs like cannon fodder.

That's why there are still so many noobs trying the game and staying. Even the weakest players can kill someone spamming rockets or land enough lg cells to finish someone previously hurt, since every battle lasts seconds instead or tens of seconds.

The high TTK helps noobs.

This game could easily have 30-40k players just having a proper engine and polishment.

And that's a conservative estimate, without even changing cringe champions or abilities. Just having a polished turd.

"The high TTK helps noobs."

Nope, it's easier to make a kill with a single lucky shot hiding in a corner than having a better lg tracking for 3-4 secs in 1vs1 full stack.
High ttk is a lot worse for noobs.
A good qc wouldn't make things so different, it's still the most successful (LOL) afps in the last 5-10 years, with 1-2k peak players when other games have millions of players everyday

And in Quake as a noob, you just don't feel like you are performing very well. That's how dying every 15 seconds makes you feel, and then you have scores and stats that make it clear you are doing much worse than others and staying that way for a very long time---which I'm sure is the reason they removed deaths from the scoreboard in QC.

removed deaths from the scoreboard in QC

bhahaahahahahhaahaahahahahahahaaaa

What about duel? Did they remove the frag count or are they too stupid to infer deaths from enemy frags?

Well, eventually they put KDR in instead, if it is any consolation. :D

In a theorical, ideal 1vs 1, sure. But that's not the reality of a deathmatch.

High TTK helps noobs, this is a renown and not debatable aspect in all games. For example, the last COD has been criticized because the TTK is particularly low for a cod game, and if you tried it you'd know. It's a nightmare, you kill or die in a split second and die all over again.

At least in quake you can put some damage in your opponent before you die, and the scoreboards shows that even the worst noobs do better than the worst noobs in a military shooter game.

I think it's possible to feel equally helpless in both high and low TTK games. I don't think either one of naturally lends itself to a less frustrating experience. You can imagine how impossible it must feel in high TTK games where you do 20-40-60-80, etc... damage to your opponent, only to have them re-stack to 200/200 by the time your next engagement starts. On the flip side, it can be equally frustrating to be constantly 1-shotted from either across the map, or from and angle you don'ta anticipate.

I think a lot of frustration may be alleviated when both players are closely matched in skill, but even that can become a source of frustration.

Ye, different skillset/focus, noobs lack of aim in high ttk games and map awareness/position/angles in short ttk, probably the 2nd scenario is more frustrating but easily fixable without spending dozens of hours in kovaak

Its not about TTK its about game SPEED.

THis is different.

QC Is extremely slow game. IT IS EXTREMELY NOOB FRIENDLY.

You can see noobs everywhere who have no aim, but they can hit 50%+ LG in qc and they think they are pros LoL.

Try any game that is faster and with smaller hitbox, and 50%+ LG magically turns into 25%.

I have no clue who this is but I quit the video a few minutes in because of how obnoxious he was

And consider that he's in the pantheon of the most popular twitch streamers!

There are guys even more popular than him that literally do nothing but sit in front of the screen, in a dimly lit room, with the mouth open, like in a coma stupor, occassionally muttering a swear word or two and coughing into the mic, playing casual games.

That's twitch, it's either that or twitch thots rubbing their silicone on the camera and blabbing about how hard is their life and how much they appreciate the shower of moneys random recluses and socially stunted individuals throw at them 24/7/365.

Oh and the chat is somehow more retarded and toxic than esr, with even less freedom of expression. Even using words like "cringe" and "yikes" can get you banned, i shit you not.

One just needs to watch twitch for a couple hours to lose all hope in future generations

Just don't sit in negro channels atpCap

It doesn't suprise me that retards are popular because retards are popular.

What suprises me is that people donate to him and he's a fucking cunt to the people who donated, why anyone would donate to a person who obviously isn't grateful for it I can't understand.

Also, I thought Twitch Thots wern't a thing anymore because of some community guideline thingy they've introduced?

If that's true then eugh

They are a little more dressed up, but their whole reason to be is always the same: nobody would ever watch them for the quality of the gameplay or what they say.

Nerds just feel lees guilty giving moneys to them rather than to real life prostitutes or more explicit cam girls, but when you're tossing 100 dollars to a 25 years old woman who can't even launch steam and is asking chat why her OBS isn't working, and all you're getting is a half assed "thank you -xxScaleBearerxx-" blurted out without even looking at the camera, are you really that smart or honorable? Those 100 dollars would have got you a personal strip show, a full fucking, or at least a handy if you don't feel like it and you can't get from a girlfriend/wife/whatever.

And now your balls are still full...

No need for this twitchtard to know QC is shit. When you thought reality tv with it's everyday lowlife retards was the rock bottom you got twitch streamers. Check out QXC just watching tv on twitch. 27k retards watching a retard watching retards. It's tardception.

Go home grandpa, you're drunk.

He exaggerates but he has a point with QXC.
That retard didn't know what condensation is. Some magic droplets on his Pepsi, how do they work?

Summit isn't much better either. A boring ratfaced bugerflipper who has absolutely nothing to say you'd remember 5 seconds later. I find it harder to understand why ppl watch him than QXC. At least QXC offers the cynical entertainment of an epileptic that mean kids surround and keep poking with sticks to see how he twitches. Summit is like some plumber with no personality who happens to stream.

What should be impressive about the game?

The 2013 graphics?

The unstable frame rate, netcode and mouse feel, that for a pro like Summit must feel like constantly having a dildo in the ass?

The lack of a coherent theme? The buffoonish, cliche, basic characters and their annoying, cringeful voicelines and moves?

Their unoriginal abilities, that in a desperate effort to balance the game between casuals and pro players ended up being too weak and lame for casuals, and still game breaking at pro levels?

The only thing impressive about the game is that it had a tournament with a prize of one million dollars.

1 month after that tournament there were 600 players average.

The graphics I don't mind and I actually think don't look that bad, but like you said it's the fucking unstable framerate, combined with terrible netcode and that weird mouse feel that I can't describe but it's just aids.

I could look past all the other stuff, but the game objectively feels worse than older quake games that were produced 2 fucking decades ago.

Then you should compare that graphics to how quake 1, quake 2 and quake 3 looked like vs the other games when they released. QC looks and feels sh*t. Q1, Q2 and Q3 all felt so smooth and great + Q1 and Q2 got a great single player to let the players learn the game basics before they jump into multiplayer.

Graphics matters nowdays even more, but people forget how good looking the first 3 quake games looked and sounded. The reasons why from q4 up the game is not popular are a lot, but conveniently Q4 was the first quake that was not ahead in terms of graphics, it was on the level of the others AAA games. QL was a fun and semi successful side project for id and QC looks ugly and with choppy feel compared to the other games when it came out not to mention today.

I still don't think they're terrible but I agree that they're certainly not up to par with today's games - OW being a good example.

It's sad when I'd rather play quake 4 than QC

As I am not exactly young, I know A LOT of people that tried and played Q2/Q3 just because of the graphics and how good they looked next to any other game. Some stayed and some didn't, but a lot of people tried the game because of that one reason.

Q4 failed and was nothing special, QC failed too and is nothing special. So you miss on all that masses that will try a game that is above all the rest in GFX terms.

Ofc that we here didn't play quake for graphics, but we are a small group. Not to start to talk about hardcore gaming in todays age. People does not want to invest time into games and not only quake suffers from that, even GREAT rpgs suffer from that as some needs a lot of time invested before you can really enjoy them. This is single player, multi where you not only have that learning curve, but you are also destroyed while you learn - is just a no go. CS was popular, but in CS you can press the left button in the general direction of a pro and headshot him. In quake you will just be r*ped.

This topic was discussed a lot, so will leave it here. Just to add up - id still f up with quake champions, because they chase for noob friendly was executed really poor and thus not only they didn't help with that at all, but just made the game worse for hardcore players in the process.

"As I am not exactly young"

" Age: 32 "

wut

Was old enough when Q2 was a thing. Better? I know quake community is adults mostly, but dunno how you can see 32 years old as a youngster.

32 is young

The unstable frame rate, netcode and mouse feel, that for a pro like Summit must feel like constantly having a dildo in the ass?

Wow rofl.

pro? Now I don't know the guy but in 2 mins I can tell that he has very limited talent for fps. That said with a lot of hard work he might be able to get to a decent level in some kiddy game.

It's shocking how bad his aim looked in quake, but if you watch him or shroud play CS or other fps, they're borderline human aimbots, with insane tracking and reaction times. And not him nor shrou dwere even the top of CS talents.

I guess transitioning trough games is much harder at high levels, because top quake aimers like Toxic and Dahang looked equally skilless aim wise in other games

Ironically Dahang is known for having the worst raw aim out of all Quake Pros.

Shows how much you know about Quake :3 xD

Ironically Dahang is known for having the worst raw aim out of all Quake Pros.

Never heard that before. DaHang has great aim, it's just not flashy like some famous aimers (clawz, k1llsen, serious, etc.).

I'd say AGENT probably has (had?) some of the worst aim. He couldn't LG his way out of a paper bag.

Ironically I'd say Agent has amazing aim, he seems to give Rapha some of the toughest battles when they face up against one another.

I'm not a huge fan of Agent but his aim has significantly improved.

Lmfao. Rapha and Agent are 2 of the guys who dont know what Aim is.

I am pretty sure both of them wont be able hit 25% LG in quake 4.

They will stagger around 15-22%

I'll get a warrant for you to stop stalking me ya gay fuck

Maybe you never heard of it because you are a cpma player and you werent into QL when it was relevant?

These days, he might have good aim. But back when QL was at its prime, and Dahang played in big matches, he had by far the worst raw aim. Check his perfomance on the Clan Arena cup during the quakecon, it becomes painfully obvious.

Edit: Dahangs probably also one of the best duelers ever in QL tho

I'm primarily a CPM player but have played (and closely followed) VQ3/QL. Pretty sure I've watched every Quake LAN tournament going back to 2005-06 and watched loads of online tournaments (ZOTAC, FaceIt, 125FPS, etc.). I don't feel like I'm out of touch at all.

Is there anyone else on ESR willing to corroborate this DaHang has bad aim view? Like I've said, I've literally never heard that. Only thing I've ever heard about bad aim of a top player was Agent. He played very well against Evil in 125FPS cups but his aim was stupidly bad. It sounds like it has improved, though.

You can have "great aim" just from have very strong map knowledge. Having really good awareness and prediction on some maps means you might hit really well even if your "raw aim" is "bad". If that's what you mean, perhaps DaHang is "great aimer" in duel and just bad on CA maps because he does not play CA maps ever. I still would not call his aim anything below great, though. Never played against him in duel, but I have in TDM/FFA and he always shreds, in my experience.

"You can have "great aim" just from have very strong map knowledge. Having really good awareness and prediction on some maps means you might hit really well even if your "raw aim" is "bad". If that's what you mean, perhaps DaHang is "great aimer" in duel and just bad on CA maps because he does not play CA maps ever."

Yea, exactly what I meant. I think he has improved in that regard, considering that he grinded OW and QC hard during the last years. From what ive seen in the QC tournaments, his aim is now at a pro level.

His RAW aim was indeed shitty during QL times tho, but its hard to judge that, I guess his CA games during the quakecon with a 3v3 CA tourney would be the best proof for this.

I guess his CA games during the quakecon with a 3v3 CA tourney would be the best proof for this.

LMAO?

so you base dahang's aim from a one single quakecon CA 3v3 roundlimit 7 on crappy maps tournament ?

i'm not really a fan of dahang and never was, but i have to admit that overall his strafe-aim and his ability to make his mouse's movements VERY stable and in sight everytime without anything as flashy as cypher or clawz', but still very effective, are ones of the reasons why he did many top5-2 in quakelive and even managed to beat rapha from time to time.

dahang got good aim, and almost always had, from his "q2 career" to the start of his "rising" back in the days in q4 where he was the only one that could challenge toxjq or cooller.

He cried about aimbot, when I did not even play the game seriously, on QC, 200 ping.

I dont think his aim is even low skill tier.

Jealousy is an ugly thing.

Exactly, I hit today 69.8% LG in quake 4 duel, Dahang hits 44% in QC tdm in public 4v4.

When Dahang comes q4 he will hit 16-25% LG, but the thing is he will never be able to pick up a weapon in the whole duel duration.

To make that 15% shot in the first place.

But what about getting drejjk to debase himself and bend the knee?

I have shown Drejjk amazing possibilities of 0.1% power.

He is now getting stronger every day, his life is getting supreme.

When there is a real God, and you don't pray, you are wasting once in lifetime opportunity.

Only Faith in true quake God, Could save us all.

I am also actively teaching and training my followers to reach new stages of evolution.

So in exchange for his dignity, he's improved his aim?

The dignity comes from praying to God, you have none it, you are worthless creature.

Dont confuse arrogance, ignorance and foolishness with Dignity.

There are still plenty of those who defy God here, they all have two things in common sub 20% aim and sub 20 IQ.

I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time. There is no dignity in praying to that God.

there is 100% LG

you have to kneel and pray

That being said I am not looking into losers like you to become my followers.

Until you hit 70% rail like drejjk or 50% LG like some Aimgods in my group, you aint even worthy to follow.

I follow my own destiny. I feel bad for those who follow the whims of others. That is no way to live.

Is your destiny to suck in every online game possible?

The only real path to greatness in the modern age is to pray to God Sanchez.

You should check just about any clip on my twitch or youtube, as you are clueless who I am and what Am I doing in quake.

I have 2-3 times stronger LG than tox or serious.

My rail flicks are 5-7 times faster than clawz, and unlike his 40% accuracy, I am hitting about 90% rails.

My plasma on avg is above 60%

Every single rocket I fire does 100dmg.

To compare toxjq or clawz with Sanchez, Is like comparing a mosquito aim with T-Rex.

I can't remember a period where DaHang had markedly inferior aim compared to any other top level player, even going back to Quake 4.

and i can't remeber a period where dahang had the same aim compared to toxic, really...what?
The comparison is totally wrong.

The point is DaHang has always had excellent aim, maybe not the very best, but accusing of "having the worst raw aim out of all Quake Pros" is just seems like revisionism.

excellent aim in top100/200 quakers maybe, in the top 10 nope.
He can have very good aim, for some weeks-months/year, but he's never been like serious/clawz/tox etc

I have trouble seeing it that way given the number of times he's placed top 5 at major tournaments. If he really does have weak aim, he must do everything else so extremely well that he makes up for it.

You do realize that amount of people competing in QC tournaments is about 20.

Lol at someone calling an excellent aim, is 20% an excellent aim or something I am missing in quake?

2es

Check my aim and check dahangs or well anyones in quake, you will see how much they are inferior.

Dahang aim is below average in quake. He is tryharding everything else to make it up for lacking aim.

Complete bullshit, Weird.

The summit guy, but he has good aim and most importantly, he dodges quite well, which is impressive for somebody new to Quake.

You continuously validate that you have no clue what so ever.

edit: blabla

as if you didn't go all out apeshit personal in the post before it...
I just mirror your behavior kid.

Besides I don't recall playing you (doesn't mean I didn't do it... just that I don't know what you're referring)

I didnt like your "arrogance" towards the strreamer dude, but yea, I did, I guess, and I guess I crossed some lines. I edited my posts now. Sorry.

I still would like to know where you see he has limited fps talent? I dont know the streamer, but watched a couple minutes of his play, and I couldnt really agree with you.

Well I guess that most obviously is the way he aims.
Whenever you see people 'snap towards a place to fire at' in only a few frames then it should be towards a spot that you have predefined... (Like K1llsen does frequently, he aims fluently at the open spaces and then insta flicks towards the outer edge of an entry/exit if the enemy is not in the open space.)
This guy simply tries to hit every shot like that, which 'looks good when he hits' and 'seems not too far off when he misses' but is as unreliable as fuck and terrible to try in a game you don't really know well yet.
Besides that he doesn't seem to get how map geometry influences weapons and aiming (which is a fundamental skill needed in fps).
This for instance leads to him trying to direct rocket everything most of the time (it also leads to general crap decision making and lack of decent in fight choices)

Basically everything is leaning towards aiming as fast as possible and with instant hit weapons only (aka kids games). Disgarding actual aiming and in fight decision making (non kiddy fps games)

Why are you trying compare different aim styles and mechanics in two games that are so far removed from one another?

You've basically said that cause he's come from an FPS game other than Quake, that his skill is sub-par.

It's like me taking a regular car driving license and wanting to go fly a jet aircraft.

Could I fly the jet? Probably, I know how flying works, I might not know to get it all 100% but I'd fly and then crash and die or whatever, but I'd still fly.

Same applies to anyone who comes into Quake from a different fps shooter.

Well if you don't understand that different games need 'different aiming styles' (to keep it in your words) you don't have any FPS talent. (I wouldn't really call it aiming styles as imho the same fundamental principles dictate how you should aim but you can put certain emphases on what's most important due to how the game works)

Ah, there we go, I was waiting for the talent quip. That alone shows your arrogance and ignorace regarding the matter. Have a good evening. :-)

I take it you don't read threads before commenting on them if you were 'waiting for my talent quip'. That alone shows your arrogance and ignorance.
Don't waste people's time with your garbage.

garbage? you were a trash player in quake live and now the game is dead. you were basically the chance of europe, what the fuck do you know about fps talent? you couldn't play another game if your life depended on it. stick to shitposting about netcode for a dead game on a dead forum full of 30 year old losers rofl.

btw how does clawz' dick taste? pretty sad to get raped 3-0 by some troll who wasn't even playing seriously vs you.

ROFL.

THE talent quip, not your talent quip. It's become apparent over the years that you're pretty quick to put words into others mouths, so you can somehow reverse an idea or opinion.

It's pointless trying to discuss it with you either way, you don't seem to have a basic logical understanding about how all of this works.

Yeah you might know the technicalties of software or hardware, but human behaviour and skill association is a paradigm you're not too familiar with, judging from every single one of your replies.

I'll be waiting for your aggressively typed vitriolic response.

literally in my first post I mention the guys lack of talent. Are you unable to read anything even after I pointed it out to you?

Summ1t shits on most top "talent" fueled pro CS players and he's left that part of the gaming world for a long time, only to play occassionaly. So apparently the lack of "talent" is there right?

Your lack of understanding of what talent and how it prevails is what shows. You've got ZERO knowledge about many of the subjects you seem to bash willingly, I don't know if that's a superiority complex in you, or inferiority complex? It's hard to tell, cause I've never verbally spoken to you, so I can't tell from your ACTUAL words.

Getting good at anything needs to be approached with a systematic process. Where this magical "talent" comes in is that some folk have an inate ability to learn things quicker than others. Most of these so called "talented" individuals take their "talents" for granted and THINK they're superior to others. So they don't put in as much work as they need.

On the other hand, the ones who put in the work and aim to be better regardless of said "talent" who make sacrifices far surpass these naturally "gifted" individuals.

At this point it's pretty much semantics, as we are all born into this world not knowing shit. It's what you do with that, which can make you stand out above whoever.

Relating it to video games or whatever other pursuit you find.

It's actually embarassing and disgusting to label some folk as talented cause most of them have put in more hours into a specific craft or skill than what you or I will ever do.

Stphn, hope you are well and I hope you have a good Christmas

Always good my sir. Have a merry Christmas and all that good stuff. :-)

Talent causes you to understand why you do things in the way you do them. Which then gives you opportunities to improve upon yourself. Which lead to breakthrough ideas that increase the knowledge of how you can play which means you to further your understanding.
The bit of the video I watched was from someone that showed complete ignorance and an unwillingness to try and alter his views on how to play.

Also I would heavily doubt that he put in more hours in FPS than me. I used to play a LOT and I'm pretty old by now and do still somewhat regularly play FPS ;)

Talent isn't an attribute or a skillset, It's a pseudo-psychological enhancement for lack of a better word, used by anyone who believes their lack is because there's no "gift" they've been given. So because they can't see beyond the work ethic the more succesful have, they have to base it on some fairy tale attribute.

Self-awareness helps you understand why you do things in the way you do them. Instead of repeating a thing over and over, you set your ego aside and you look at it without the rose tinted glasses.

I don't have a talent for languages, yet I speak 3 fluently and can read 2 very well. Do I posses some magical talent? No, circumstances changes, so I had to put in the sweat equity.

Anytime anyone uses talent as an excuse, automatically discredits and destroys the ones who have actually put sacrifice into whatever it is they've done.

Also I would heavily doubt that he put in more hours in FPS than me. I used to play a LOT and I'm pretty old by now and do still somewhat regularly play FPS ;)

^ Ego speaks for itself there.

At the end of the day though, you've got your opinion, I have mine. That's it.

@Weird @sTPHN

why are 2 guys with sub < 30LG discussing aim and be so serious about it

Like if you know what aim is, lmfao.

I shit all over you and your followers. You're just a subservient beta male.

Go make me a sandwich. Peasant.

I am an absolute God, and you will come crawling to me beggin to teach you some quake mastery.

You run out of happy pills or something?

You're inferior. Go run a circle jerk with your 3 fanboys.

goddess of peace SANCHEEZ

I take it you can show us just where to download better aim, ain't that right?

On my discord, mb stop sucking in game and lose to noobs like clawz?

As far as I can tell each hour I put into FPS adds to my grand total of hours in FPS and since I'm older and started young, and dedicated to FPS, chances are pretty high I spent more time in game than him.
Dunno how that is some ego trip of mine, to me it sounds like pretty solid math.

Also I don't care 'what talent is' but at the end of the day a talented person (in any field) understands at a fundamental level what he's doing and why it works. Something I don't see in this guy in relation to gaming.

Besides that I really dunno what you're trying to do here... You're arguing over nothing because.....?
I mean why even care that I think he is untalented?

Your level is zero. You will not win anybody at all.

Start putting the hours you put into fps, into an hours you put into daily praying to the allmighty God Sanchez

Your level is zero. You will not win anybody at all.

Start putting the hours you put into fps, into an hours you put into daily praying to the allmighty God Sanchez

Chances are you're right, but chances are you're wrong as well.

You're looking at it all from your own personal account. You don't know the guy. So you don't really have a valid argument, considering you've "seen" a few minutes/hours of his gameplay. Yet don't know his prior background in gaming, albeit casual or professional.

What I'm getting at is, that the talent argument is bullshit and the fact that you've watched for minutes/hours doesn't strengthen or even weaken your points. It's neutral.

He picked up the game, ran it at default with no changes and still did pretty well all considering.

We all know that if anyone, like most of us who've been playing Quake for a long time, from a mechanical point of view, can transition to a different FPS game with ease. Purely because back in Quake, you had to be mechanically on point, your settings had to be fine tuned to become somewhat decent.

Quake pretty much gave everyone who played it a PhD in mechanical/aim fundamentals.

I like that you're pretty objective about viewing what he does, but either way, it doesn't make you right or wrong. Just somewhat more biased.

You dont know what good aim is, you never saw one.

God upvotes

this thread has some golden replies - every blue moon it pays to visit ESR.

Quake is 20+ years old... you must channel your inner zadrot to win. Especially if you're a noob. These dudes are raging against 1100 elo, that means that they're probably gonna be playing day and night for 5 years solid to have a chance at being a Quake pro.

Now, I would like for everyone to give a moment of silence to the souls who we lost during the 2018 streamer noob event.

RIP Quake, RIP Summit1G, RIP DrDisrespect, RIP Shroud, RIP DrLupo, RIP ChocoTaco.

They will all be missed.

who?

couldnt care less about that summitnoob and those other noobish streamers.
they better stick to their fortnite shit with their lowskills.

Pray to God Sanchez the last hope of quake

I do agree that this is one key point that need to be fixed on next issue of the Quake series, if there is.
The game is absolutely not noob friendly, and most importantly, it is not new comers friendly.
How can people hope for a game to be successful when players must be only previous gamers minus those who stopped playing??
Game needs new comers! And yes, new comers need special treatment / rules / mod.
Play card game, you are noob, you may fight other noob or at least fight for few minutes before being defeated. New comers have feeling of playing, of doing something.
Play Fortnite or Apex or Counter Strike, new comers can run on the map, wait a corner, go hiking... They will have sensation of doing something. They can even hide to survive dozens of minutes, giving to newcomers the feeling that they played something!
Play Quake... 45 sec in game, already killed 3 times... New comers will not even been able to "feel" the game and the controls~~~

Let's make a hazardous parallel between good games and bad games:
#Good games
-> Mario: you start playing easy, jumping over holes, over enemies, playing minutes before reaching a boss or the first real difficulty.
example fortnite/apex/ CS: you start playing easy, moving around, jumping left and right, playing minutes before being defeated by another player.

#bad game
-> "Bad Mario": you start directly fighting the boss Bowser. You keep dying without having the feeling of doing anything or being able to do anything. You (rage)quit the game.
Example Quake: you start facing someone that even if slightly better than you will make you die again and again, without being able to do anything. You (rage)quit the game.

I am not saying apex or fortnite are better than QC.

I just do think that: “Yes, new comers cannot jump right away in a hard core game like Quake. And, yes, it is a flaw from the game itself.”

I am criticizing. But I also would like to provide some stupid possible improvements. I do remember talking about this in another post. Quake Duel is hard core, and cannot be the main game. Quake Duel should be a “mod” from a popular game. Battle royal, team vs team like Counter Strike, whatever is popular… Popularity makes the game being alive. It is the key point ! Then, by itself, the popularity will make a lot of people willing to compete with other players. And, many players will go hard on competition. At that moment, and only at that moment, hard core duels can make sense. Absolutely not before.

I am talking it ;-)

Example Quake: you start facing someone that even if slightly better than you will make you die again and again, without being able to do anything. You (rage)quit the game.

sry but that's not true at all. Even at duel, if opponents are equally skilled, game is still even. MMR, period.

You dont know what map control is period.

cuz you think your endless speed crotch-slide control in 5m˛ maps really mean "map control?"

play t7 or ztn or dm6 at vq3 and then now we got to know about what is real map control

camp hide seek maps with endless corners

we already saw a 1-1 duel in 10 mins on ztn or dm6

i think you need to go and fuck yourself out of existence you are to stupid to be among living humans

camp hide seek maps with endless corners

pls don't try to make a "reverse reply", you're too bad at it, goddess of peace SANCHEEZ

i'd rather watch a full of tension hide & seek game rather than a 400-0 in 2min

we already saw a 1-1 duel in 10 mins on ztn or dm6

1-1 duel in 10mins on dm6 ? lmao wtf you've got no clue bout what your sayin comrade

also i knew that you were retarded, but not beyond that limit which is that you think map control = number of frags LMAO

Hide seek tension based,Rofl.

You are just a pussies without battleskills, cypher got fucked by baksteen, a kid with sub 30% aim.

Yes the quality of map control is amount of frags, I am doing 100-0 on average, and no, ppl are not able to pick up a weapon period.

Yeah, if you cant make 90-0 you dont know map control.

You are just shit if you let a guy pick an item or a weapon.

Go play tetris, oh well qlive and qc are even less competetive than tetris.

i'd rather play tetris than q4 for sure

you don't know shit about tetris :>

You are not qualified to play q4.

Q4 requires brain, aim, movement skills, trickjumping, nothing of that you have or will ever have.

You're completely right but it's sad that it's gotten to this point. I think one thing a lot of people don't realize is that when you have a 1v1 based game even with perfect matchmaking so noobs only play vs noobs, the pressure of 1v1 is too much for the average player and they'd rather go play some big team mode with less pressure on the individual.

For years the idea was that good matchmaking would solve Quake's new player problem, but games like Starcraft 2 and it's literally perfect matchmaking showed that as long as it's 1v1 people will still not want to lose 50% of the time.

but games like Starcraft 2 and it's literally perfect matchmaking showed that as long as it's 1v1 people will still not want to lose 50% of the time.

the only reason why sc2 failed wasn't cuz of matchmaking or 1v1, it was just cuz of this stupid "let's add 426161 new units with each expansion we release and let's add 46262 expansions with coop missions etc, and let's break the game balance each patch cuz we have no clue what we're doing with the game and the new content we keep adding"

look at how fucking long scbw lived and survived, compared to sc2. They did the same mistake as id software, instead of just upgrading the graphics and making the game more approachable with new features or improvements or tweaks there and here, they wanted to reinvent the genre. It failed.
scbw' gameplay is already pretty much perfect as it is, just like cq3/ql's gameplay is already perfect as it is, or at least near perfection.

and look at street fighter for example, the game is elitist as fuck and pure 1v1 but still manage to bring the masses around it

All fighting games are 1vs1

This guy has been to a mental hospital for years.

in 45secs I kill a guy many times stronger than heartless

9 times

9 frags in 45 secs

that guy will rape heartless ass 60-0

when you have 60+ lg in q4 it takes less than 1 sec to kill full hp

Never heard of this guy but he is apparently a big streamer? Makes me so incredibly sad people waste their time watching this guy.

I do agree that this is one key point that need to be fixed on next issue of the Quake series, if there is.
The game is absolutely not noob friendly, and most importantly, it is not new comers friendly.
How can people hope for a game to be successful when players must be only previous gamers minus those who stopped playing??
Game needs new comers! And yes, new comers need special treatment / rules / mod.
Play card game, you are noob, you may fight other noob or at least fight for few minutes before being defeated. New comers have feeling of playing, of doing something.
Play Fortnite or Apex or Counter Strike, new comers can run on the map, wait a corner, go hiking... They will have sensation of doing something. They can even hide to survive dozens of minutes, giving to newcomers the feeling that they played something!
Play Quake... 45 sec in game, already killed 3 times... New comers will not even been able to "feel" the game and the controls~~~

Let's make a hazardous parallel between good games and bad games:
#Good games
-> Mario: you start playing easy, jumping over holes, over enemies, playing minutes before reaching a boss or the first real difficulty.
example fortnite/apex/ CS: you start playing easy, moving around, jumping left and right, playing minutes before being defeated by another player.

#bad game
-> "Bad Mario": you start directly fighting the boss Bowser. You keep dying without having the feeling of doing anything or being able to do anything. You (rage)quit the game.
Example Quake: you start facing someone that even if slightly better than you will make you die again and again, without being able to do anything. You (rage)quit the game.

I am not saying apex or fortnite are better than QC.

I just do think that: “Yes, new comers cannot jump right away in a hard core game like Quake. And, yes, it is a flaw from the game itself.”

I am criticizing. But I also would like to provide some stupid possible improvements. I do remember talking about this in another post. Quake Duel is hard core, and cannot be the main game. Quake Duel should be a “mod” from a popular game. Battle royal, team vs team like Counter Strike, whatever is popular… Popularity makes the game being alive. It is the key point ! Then, by itself, the popularity will make a lot of people willing to compete with other players. And, many players will go hard on competition. At that moment, and only at that moment, hard core duels can make sense. Absolutely not before.

I am talking it ;-)

QC is full of Noobs.

It is noob friendly.

Not a single decent quake player bothers with this game.

All elements that meant skill, like map control, aiming, conplex movement, are taken out of the game

When are you going to shut the fuck up, or create some better content?

You're like a repetative broken record, going and going.

Your trash and beloved Quake 4 game is ass.

You want real Quake? - Come play Quakeworld. I'll be happy whip out my fully lubed shaft and destroy that little beta asshole of yours.

Lol quake 4 is best quake out there.

There is a member of fcdp who played quakeworld, he will rape you 200-0 easily.

fcdp

fuck cunts deep pedophile ?

Fan Club Don Pachi

Do you need to ask who don pachi is?

rather fuck cunts, you deep pedophile!

L A M A O

10 IQ verified

So you finally got the result of that test we urged you to take.

Says the guy who could not put the fucking kid clawz done, why would you challenge someone to a duel when you cant hit above 30% LG in a noob live?

Aim is proportionate to brain power.

Guess what I am hitting 100% in a game where you wont even hit 20% noob.

LOL

I cannot stop imaging godservantsomething like an old guy sitting on a bench, holding a cane and complaining :
"Today's game are bad! Only boom, boom and no skill ! When I was young, that was true game, true skills !!"
*coughing*
"Now people are just noobs ! Look at the graphics, listen to the music !"
*coughing and trying to stand up*
"At that time, no USB ! No optic mouse ! That's was true feelings while playing."
*failing to stand up*
"Ouch, my back... destroyed playing old quake in real seats, not these modern esport seats... that was true gaming, no noobs at that time!"

ahahahah

gameplay is good.

game engine is shit.

when it runs smooth once a month its pretty fun.
any other time its shit.

overall i enjoy it when i do play.
i like the tournaments.
the champs have grown on me.

you are mental retard

anyone who enjoys qc is one

Disrepute was right about teammodrs needing to be center stage and not duel

Except the main focus was sacrifice for quite some time.

And Quakecon 2018 was all about the 2v2.