those povs really look like cheats

First part - prefiring rails on aerowalk. Everyone does this on the map, even 1000 elo lower than him. It comes naturally. Didn't watch the rest.

But the lg really snaps on the target

who the fuck cares lmao?

how can you watch zoomers playing valorant/r6s/csgo/cod/apex/fortnite and pretend to give one tenth of a shit about this? give up this series over lmao. quake is more pathetic now than counter strike source after cgs collapsed and the community ate itself until there was nothing left but team verygames.

you'd actually be better off spamming stoner63 in black ops cold war than pretending to give a shit about quake.

Some of the shots do seem dodgy. But I highly doubt he does these things.

If it is true, its just another sad moment for QL :(

Cyber has been my duel partner for I dunno 4 years.

We've played hundreds of games together and I know for a fact he doesn't cheat. Quick peak shots with rail are normal for anyone who isn't a bot at the game.

Slowing down small clips proves nothing, anyone knows that when you use timescale or slow down video, especially in FPS games, movements seem a lot more exaggerated than normal.

Stop posting dumb shit, especially if you aren't a high enough level dueller.

Yea sure.
To be honest, you only can be sure about yourself, you know. You cant "know for a fact he doesn't cheat".

I am beta tested this video, showed it to few people before posting and they give me some feedback. And one of viewers said simillar things about spectator bug and high pickmip. But its not realy how its works. I mean there is maybe spectator bug. But you can see, i put clips that was cut from his stream and i also put exact same moment that i cut from demo and they are looking the same. So, its not a bug if both his stream and a demo looking similar, right?

Then, dumb shit is defenely your post not my. Why you thinking that you are high enough level dueller to protect this cheater and why you think that i am not high enough level dueller? Thats a real question.

We will probably see foq_ql here with attempt of protecting his duel partner. You know this fog guy who admint that he got vac ban in ql back in a days. Or maybe even proveren will show up to tell something, he is probably high enough level for you.

I am actually wrote another text, about cyber's shady background and overall view of his gameplay

There is the link for that
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oofZhh-Uz...sp=sharing

I am not against discussions, you can protect your friend, but please show some constructive arguments and try to avoid insulting and simple feelings sharing.

Still didn't watch most of the video, because what I've seen doesn't convince me in the slightest - I take exactly the same shots myself and I'm a lot weaker player than cyber.

But tbh my feeling is that it must be almost impossible to manually spot someone cheating online at this point. I remember watching daddy vs cypher or someone else on aerowalk and I couldn't tell where was a single point that proved him cheating, other than just hitting too many rails for my liking. And this is at pro level. If someone wanted to turn around a game against me by taking few autoshot rails or enabling wh for a while, he can do it. I'll have no way to even notice, not to mention prove it myself.

I just play players I trust or don't care at this point. Knowing this may be annoying, but what can you do in a game without anticheat? I guess first step to being trusted would be using your "real" steam account rather than a fake one.

Its not like i find actual question in your post but i will answer anyway.

I dont undestand how you havent seen anything watchign daddy. I watched him and even played him and it was way too obvious that his is cheating.

Making this video was much harder task compare to others. Because the guy using cheats exactly how you describe it. If he want to turn game around, he just hitting few autoshot rails or enabling wallhack for a while. So when he playing against low elo players he dont have to use cheats, he can play by himself. But if enemy is strong and score are even, he turning it on. And not only me, but other players can feel it, when he suddenly start hitting important shots or like using "game sense".

IMHO but Cyber's real elo supposed to be around 1800. Watching all this demos and vods i noticed thats most of the time i see some weird acting when he playing enemys thats 1900elo+. Thats means he struggle to play against 1900elo and have to use cheats to win. But without cheats he would often lose against this players, so his elo wouldnt be as high as he have now.

Im not sure but i have information that this game on aerowalk, cyber vs slimk is scrited. Like they agreed on making it in overtime and continue playing overtimes as much as possible to leave their names in quake history. Just think about this... how much of retardation in their heads. No wonder he is also cheating.

And yes, on a actual pro scene, around actual pro players it would be realy hard to spot cheating. Especialy things like autoshot and wallhack. And especialy with current qpl thing, when players playing one map a week. But it's also feels pointless for pro players to use cheats. It's really high risk low reward thing. But on other hand you can't underestimate greediness and stupidity of people.

Who did you manage to convince that you're right about it?
Who even plays duels on this high level, besides cyber nowadays and who would take some action against it?
I've played for a few weeks on my level recently and it was the same 5 players all the time so gave it up.

Its not like i am trying to convince anybody in that meaning like i am trying to trick you, fake facts or something, you know... It's not like i am telling you that i heard from one guy that other guy heard from another guy that one guy saw how cyber is cheating.
I am showing this video for your judgement. I showed some moments of Cyber gameplay and i described why this moments are weird. And if you have some undestanding for quake and duels you would see thats its might be cheating and not just luck, bug or something else.
But i dont undestand why you and sTPHN trying to push this intro "you are too low skill to judge such high level player". Cyber isn't that high level as you thinking. I bet that in a blind test you wouldn't tell where is cyber playing and where is 1500 elo guy.
But anyway. If you like to play duels against Cyber and dont feel anything weird thats ok, keep going. But this video is for people who dont like to play against cheater. For people that feeling like Cyber is cheating but can't be sure and can't decide if it worth to play against him or its waste of time.

Well, I'm asking because I can't see it myself but I accept that I may be missing something. There seem to be a lot of ppl who disagree with you as well, but if there are ppl whose word has some weight - organisers/competitors who are willing to support what you are saying then it would mean something to me. It's not easy to pass a judgement when you are "someone" in a community, it has more weight to it. This is what happened in old cases where some players got ousted.

I don't like to play against cheaters and I care about it very much. This is why I'm interested and replying here, even if I don't play with cyber (not my league). But when I think someone was using "something" against and check a demo later, almost always it can be explained. So generally I've come to believe vast majority of players play clean. But I may be wrong, and always looking forward to getting better insight into cheating situation.

Honestly it's looking like you trolling. All you saying is that you can't see cheats, but you saying this in different words, over and over again.

There seem to be a lot of ppl who disagree with you as well, but if there are ppl whose word has some weight - organisers/competitors who are willing to support what you are saying then it would mean something to me.

Find a ppl/organisers/competitors whose opinion is important to you and ask them. You may wait here forever for reply of someone who you think have some weight. This site is in a same state as quake live, basically dead. But i dont know other place where i can post such things. Maybe there some discord servers, but i hate discord, trying to avoid using it and not joining all this groups/servers whatever its called. So i dont even know if some sort of a ql community is actually exist in discord.

Why you thinking that you are high enough level dueller to protect this cheater and why you think that i am not high enough level dueller? Thats a real question.

Because when I was actively playing back in the prime of QL, I would often beat pretty much everyone on a consistent basis, but I'm not here to throw ego's and what not around.

I'm here to state facts.

I apologise if I came off as a bit of a cunt with the original reply, but I've known Cyber for many years. I have played with him and many of the other top RU players for many years too. You know exactly what cheats look like when you've actually played against it.

Or maybe even proveren will show up to tell something, he is probably high enough level for you.

The guy sits on Thunderstruck, aim wanking with 3 people, I doubt he has any duel brain capacity at all.

but please show some constructive arguments and try to avoid insulting and simple feelings sharing.

I would show some constructive arguments if the game was active like it was, however you're basing your assumptions and accusations on a few games you saw him stream / demo, even syncerror admited that demo watching is bugged as hell, anything in the video world when slowed down adds a different perception, especially in the FPS world when you don't have 1:1 model representation and fluidity of movement.

So most assumptions of hacks or cheats or whatever just sit in idle moot points.

It's the mentality of most shit-kids and newcomers to any AFPS game that because they've been conditioned with trash games like call of duty, the risk and reward ratio is so far diminished;

As an example: This new dumpster fire call of duty cold war: You can play the game and die over and over and over, literally be 0/30 in score and still GET all of your streaks, press a button and now you're getting kills.

That type of ez mode mentality shifts to anyone new comer that wants to "try" AFPS, especially like Quake.

You don't just try Quake, you make it a part of your life, because anyone can tell you that if you are starting out, you will get absolutely shit-stomped for 12 months minimum before you see actual progress.

You're a moron if you think otherwise (No offense)

Other than that, if you want to try and prove people are cheating, come play some Quake 4, where you actually have to aim, instead of somewhat camp angles and hit simple shots and make people believe you have great aim, when you don't.

Much better post now, but still feels a bit agressive.

I would show some constructive arguments if the game was active like it was, however you're basing your assumptions and accusations on a few games you saw him stream / demo, even syncerror admited that demo watching is bugged as hell, anything in the video world when slowed down adds a different perception, especially in the FPS world when you don't have 1:1 model representation and fluidity of movement.

Telling you once again. Its cant be a bug if its happens constantly. If you slow down video of someone with shaky aim it start looking normal. You will see how crosshair going left and right, slowly without any shakes. And if you slow down demo way too much anything will start looking normaly too. You will just lose understanding of speed changing. If its slowed down way too much . So its not like you slow down video or demo and everything start shaking. It's actually opposite of that. And also i think there is some sort of smoothing in a demos and it has to be really massive frame skipping of crosshair movement to make it look any weird on demo.
This 3 or 4 weird rail shots that i put in the video is not only weird shots i found. But i dropped other weird moments because i wanted a demo confirmation to make sure its not as you saying spectator bug. I found some extremely weird lg action but it was in a match agains mrx and mrx was accused in cheating in a past year, so he wont share demos. I am also asked Cyber for demos and he didnt share either. So basicly this video made out of 10 demos. And having this much weird moments in 10 games is ridiculous in my oppinion.

Not sure why you started talking about call of duty and newcomers, BTW i am not newcomer.

but I've known Cyber for many years. I have played with him and many of the other top RU players for many years too. You know exactly what cheats look like when you've actually played against it.

Yea he is not using cheats all the time. If he were using wallhack and aimbot all the time he would be banned already. He defenetly have bind that toggles wallhack on and off. And he defenetly have binds that toggle aim and autoshot.

You only talking about this rail shots from beggining of the video. But what you can say about this lg kills on cherra? when Cyber didn't waste a single bullet of lg ammo after kill. And in second clip it was only few pixels of enemy head, that was barely visible. And cyber still tracking this pixel and after kill he doesn't waste a single bullet of lg. Thats impossible reaction time. And why you not talking about wallhack situations? Like clip against whisp on sinister. Or clip against oddi on furious hights.
You watched actual video? Have you read the document that is in description of the video? I describe every clip why it's weird and so on, in that document. Please read that. And if you disagree with something and have counter argument please share your point of view.I am actually double checked everything, but it's possible that i manage to miss something.

Because when I was actively playing back in the prime of QL, I would often beat pretty much everyone on a consistent basis, but I'm not here to throw ego's and what not around.

CoolStoryBob

q:D

"Im not sure but i have information that this game on aerowalk, cyber vs slimk is scrited."

harlem quake trotters

Yeah, it seems he uses private cheat at minimal settings.